AFC East: Mike Nugent
Sparano would like Favre to be a memory
But Sparano is not necessarily buying Tuesday's hot rumor that Brett Favre will retire.
"Well, I'll believe it when the season starts and he's on that couch somewhere out there," Sparano said "All I know is we're going to Minnesota in Week 2. So I hope he's ... We'll see."
Sparano spent five years as a Dallas Cowboys assistant, crossing paths with Favre several times. Favre's season with the New York Jets coincided with Sparano's rookie year with the Dolphins.
"Facing him with the Jets, facing him in Dallas, facing him in a lot of places I've been," Sparano said, "there were times where with Brett you kind of felt like it was seven-on-seven out there and nobody was on the other side.
"The throws he made, some of the plays he made ... I remember in Dallas, us having him in the grasp a few different times. He spun out one time, spun around, kind of had him again. We thought he was down. Next thing you know he flips this thing up and he makes a big play on us.
"Then we see this thing down here [at Sun Life Stadium] in the first game that I coached [for the Dolphins], in my first at bat, and this thing goes up in the air and ends up coming down into somebody's hands."
The last play Sparano referenced came in his head-coaching debut, Favre's first game for the Jets in 2008.
Jets kicker Mike Nugent was sidelined with a leg injury, forcing the Jets to go for it on fourth-and-13 from the Dolphins' 22-yard line in the second quarter. Favre escaped what appeared to be a certain sack and threw a high, arcing desperation lob toward the end zone. Chansi Stuckey came down with the ball just inside the goal line for a touchdown. The Jets went on to win 20-14.
The Dolphins went on to win the AFC East, clinching it with a victory over the Jets in the regular-season finale. But prior to that, when the Dolphins were clawing their way toward the finish line, I asked Sparano if he still thought about Favre's play.
"That wakes me up some nights when I'm trying to sleep," Sparano admitted.
» Draft Watch: Biggest needs (2/17) | Busts/gems (2/24) | Schemes, themes (3/3) | Recent history (3/10) | Needs revisited (3/17) | Under-the-radar needs (3/26) | History in that spot (3/31) | Draft approach (4/7) | Decision-makers (4/14) | Dream scenario/Plan B (4/21)
Each week leading up to the NFL draft (April 22-24), the ESPN.com blog network will take a division-by-division look at key aspects of the draft. Today’s topic: under-the-radar needs.
Buffalo Bills
Because the Bills have so many glaring needs such as left tackle, nose tackle and quarterback, nobody was thinking about running backs until Bills coach Chan Gailey mentioned Tuesday he was interested in adding a third-down option to his roster. Then everybody leaned back and nodded "Why, yes, the Bills do need that player." Gailey even went so far as to give a description: 5-foot-8-ish, 190 pounds-ish with quickness and receiving skills to complement the prototypical Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson.
Miami Dolphins
You'd think the Dolphins would be set at cornerback. They have three good ones. Sean Smith and Vontae Davis were good enough to start 16 and nine games, respectively, last year as rookies. Will Allen was their top cornerback when he went down with a knee injury in Week 7. But teams never can have enough good cornerbacks, and there are no guarantees Allen will be back. He recently was busted for driving under the influence of alcohol and has had off-field problems before. The Dolphins also declined to bring back free-agent nickelback Nate Jones.
New England Patriots
The Patriots could use another quarterback. Owner Robert Kraft will make sure Tom Brady, who's entering the final year of his contract, doesn't go anywhere. But the Patriots have the flimsiest backup quarterback situation in the AFC East if not the entire league. The lone reserve on the roster is Brian Hoyer, an undrafted rookie last year. The Patriots have cycled through several backup quarterbacks over the past three years in search of reliable help. They'll be on the lookout again next month.
New York Jets
The Jets need a kicker. They signed free agent Nick Folk a few weeks ago and seem comfortable with the thought of letting Jay Feely go. (He's a free agent exploring his options.) But the Jets can't be comfortable with Folk as his replacement. Folk is coming off a disastrous season in which he missed a kick in each of his final six games with the Dallas Cowboys. With a team that will win with defense first, head coach Rex Ryan needs to be able to count on his kicker. Don't expect the Jets to draft one anywhere near as early as they took Mike Nugent (47th overall in 2005), but they'll have kickers in mind.
Is icing the kicker a waste of time?
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
The question pops into your head almost every time it happens:
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Does icing the kicker really work?
Some believe it does, that it's wise psychological warfare at a critical time.
Some say no, that it gives the kicker more time to prepare, maybe even allows him to get a practice kick in if the opposing coach waits too long or even to clear his spot on a snowy field.
NFC West blogger Mike Sando endeavored to find out if data supported either theory by asking ESPN Stats & Information to track the numbers.
Research suggests that icing the kicker in clutch situations works.
The definition of a clutch kick was an attempt from at least 35 yards inside the final two minutes with the score tied or the kicking team trailing by fewer than three points.
In overtime, iced kickers made 58.1 percent of their tries from an average of 41.9 yards away. Kickers who were left alone made 72.7 percent from nearly two yards farther out.
Overall, iced kickers converted 65.1 percent of their attempts from an average distance of 44.9 yards. Kickers who weren't iced made 68.9 percent from 45.1 yards away.
Some AFC East tidbits from the stats, which date to 2001:
- I guess I never noticed because the New England Patriots have scored so many points since he joined them in 2006, but Stephen Gostkowski has never been asked to make a clutch kick (by our definition) in his career.
- Former Patriots kicker Adam Vinatieri is 11 for 12 in clutch situations. He's 8 for 8 when not iced, 3 for 4 when iced.
- Jay Feely, who has kicked for the New York Jets, Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Falcons and New York Giants since 2001, had some bad numbers. But three of those boo-boos occurred in an overtime loss to the Seattle Seahawks in 2005. Feely missed three potential game-winning field goals. He missed from 40 yards at the final gun and from 54 yards and 45 yards in sudden death, a game that inspired a "Saturday Night Live" skit.
- Former Jets kicker Mike Nugent is 2 for 3. He was iced for his lone miss.
- Former Miami Dolphins kicker Olindo Mare is 5 for 8 overall. He was 4 for 6 when he wasn't iced.
Around the AFC East: Marshawn's mom is cross
Buffalo Bills
- Marshawn Lynch's mother says she's prepared to yank his leash, writes Tom FitzGerald of the San Francisco Chronicle.
- Buffalo News reporter Allen Wilson reminds us the Bills once owned the draft pick that was used on running back Fred Taylor, but traded it for quarterback Rob Johnson.
Miami Dolphins
- Miami Herald columnist Armando Salguero explores the growing trend of teams restricting access to the media.
- Lost in the combine coverage was this Palm Beach Post spring-training story from over the weekend about Bill Parcells and his love for baseball.
New England Patriots
- Boston Herald reporter Karen Guregian previews Fred Taylor's meeting Wednesday with the Patriots.
- Judd Zulgad of the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports Vikings assistant Chad O'Shea is joining the Patriots as receivers coach.
New York Jets
- New York Daily News reporter Rich Cimini writes the Jets might have made a big mistake by cutting right guard Brandon Moore.
- Dave Hutchinson of the Newark Star-Ledger reports kicker Mike Nugent has rejected a contract offer and will go to market.
- Bergen Record reporter J.P. Pelzman takes a gander at the attractive free agents Rex Ryan might woo from Baltimore.
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
Throughout the day I'll post the rundowns of free agents for each AFC East club.
We'll start off with the New York Jets, who have a lot of work to do to get their roster organized for 2009.
They're already about $7 million over the projected salary cap because of an accumulation of prorated signing bonuses.
Before we get to the list of free agents, here are some of the higher cap numbers for Jets under contract. I think everybody can identify one player in particular who will alleviate a lot a lot of cap strain if he doesn't return:
- QB Brett Favre $13 million
- OLB Calvin Pace 11.8 million
- S Kerry Rhodes $10.6 million
- G Alan Faneca $7.89 million
- WR Laveranues Coles $7 million
- DE Shaun Ellis $6.875 million
- T Damien Woody $6.5 million
- NT Kris Jenkins 6.4 million
- T D'Brickashaw Ferguson $6 million
- G Brandon Moore $5.85 million
Here are the Jets whose contracts are up:
Unrestricted (free to negotiate with any team beginning Feb. 27)
- LB Eric Barton
- CB Ahmad Carroll
- RB Jesse Chatman
- K Jay Feely
- TE Bubba Franks
- CB Ty Law
- DT C.J. Mosley
- K Mike Nugent
- CB Hank Poteat
- FB Tony Richardson
- LB Cody Spencer
Restricted (Jets have right to match offer from other team)
Exclusive rights (cannot negotiate with other teams if tendered qualifying offer)
- WR David Clowney
- QB Brett Ratliff
- WR Wallace Wright
Crowder, Allen will play for Dolphins
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Greetings from balmy Giants Stadium, where the Miami Dolphins can claim the AFC East title with a victory over the New York Jets. Conditions are warm and windy, but nothing like the tornadic gusts at Ralph Wilson Stadium.
There are no surprise scratches for Sunday's showdown. The Dolphins will have both linebacker Channing Crowder and cornerback Will Allen, who missed considerable practice time this week but will dress.
Miami Dolphins
- QB John Beck
- WR Ernest Wilford
- LB William Kershaw
- G Shawn Murphy
- DE Lionel Dotson
- LB Quentin Moses
- T Nate Garner
- DE Rodrique Wright
New York Jets
Fluke Favre TD keeps Sparano up at night
While I asked the question, the Miami Dolphins head coach broke into a conceding smile -- almost a grimace, really -- and slowly nodded his head.
"Yeah," Sparano said. "That wakes me up some nights when I'm trying to sleep."
One low-percentage, desperation play is all it was, but it proved to be the difference in a 20-14 loss to the New York Jets on opening day.
With kicker Mike Nugent injured, the Jets went for it on fourth-and-13 from the Dolphins' 22-yard line. Brett Favre completed an arcing lob to the appropriately named Chansi Stuckey for a touchdown.
As the year has unfolded, that prototypical Favre fluke play loomed increasingly large. Had that pass hit the turf or been intercepted as it should have been, the Dolphins might have the AFC East already locked up heading into Sunday's rematch at the Meadowlands.
"I think it's natural when you're in this tight position right now that you do look back on some of those things," Sparano said at his Wednesday news conference. "Some people say you can't take anything from a loss, you can't learn from a loss. I don't believe that. I think that you can take some things out of that. So I usually try to go back and rehash those things and punish myself.
"Now, that being said, I have thought about that, yeah, the ball up in the air that way. But that's what makes Brett, Brett. He can pull those things off, and it looks like it was done intentionally."
How Dolphins safety Renaldo Hill handled the slapdash play internally is one thing, but at least on Wednesday he didn't sound like someone punishing himself or remembering that ball as it fluttered through the sky for what seemed like 20 seconds.
"I don't expect that play to happen one out of a hundred times," Hill said. "That was the one time."
There were plenty of ways for the Dolphins to snuff the play. Defensive end Randy Starts blew past Jets right guard Brandon Moore and grabbed Favre's throwing shoulder. Favre deftly switched the ball to his left hand, ducked Starks and grasped the ball with his right hand again, while outside linebacker Joey Porter leapt for Favre's waist. Just as Porter wrapped him, Favre flung the ball.
Hill, playing center field in front of the goal line, bit on what he thought would be a bullet to Stuckey, who instead drifted behind Hill and awaited the jump ball. Dolphins cornerback Will Allen slipped while breaking toward the ball, and Stuckey caught it uncontested.
"I was actually a free guy on the play," Hill said. "I was just floating around. I saw his arm motion, so I was expecting the ball to come out more flat and direct. Then it floated in the air."
That lucky play cost the Dolphins their season opener. On Sunday they'll have an opportunity to render it irrelevant.
Jets scratch first-round pick Gholston
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- The New York Jets have scratched sixth overall draft pick Vernon Gholston from Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills in the Meadowlands.
Gholston has been a major disappointment. On a Jets defensive stat sheet that's 23 players long, he's one from the bottom in tackles this year with one solo and four assists. He has zero sacks and one pressure. He has 11 special-teams tackles.
Gholston left Ohio State a year early to enter the draft. He was a pass-rushing specialist as a defensive end and projected as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the NFL.
He dazzled scouts with his physique and measurables at the NFL combine and blew them away at his pro day in Columbus, Ohio. The Jets gave him a contract with $21 million in guarantees.
Here are the rest of the inactives from Sunday's only AFC East showdown:
Buffalo Bills
- QB Trent Edwards
- RB Xavier Omon
- CB Jabari Greer
- CB Dustin Fox
- G Jason Whittle
- T Demetrius Bell
- TE Jonathan Stupar
New York Jets
Take your pick: Loyalty or production?
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| Feely | Nugent |
The decision here comes down to loyalty and what you've done for me lately.
No, this isn't really a kicker debate. This is a scenario in which you need to weigh sentiment against production.
By all indications, Jets kicker Mike Nugent should be back on the field by now. The 47th overall selection in the 2005 draft injured his right thigh in the season opener and hasn't played since.
Jets head coach Eric Mangini has made Nugent a game-time decision the past two weeks. Mangini on Wednesday said Nugent is "practicing as well. ... He's been kicking for a few weeks now." Nugent's still counting against the 53-man roster.
Jay Feely, meanwhile, has proved himself a valuable teammate on a first-place club. The street free agent has been the Jets' kicker for 10 games, endearing himself with critical field goals.
Feely calmly made a 34-yard kick to beat the New England Patriots in sudden death two weeks ago. He made a 52-yard field goal with three seconds left in regulation time to force overtime in Week 7 against the Oakland Raiders.
He tied a club record with a 55-yard kick in the Week 10 blowout of the St. Louis Rams.
He's fourth in the NFL in points per game with a 9.1 average. He has made 20 of his 24 attempts (83.3 percent). Not a bad turnaround for a guy the Miami Dolphins cut in training camp and the Kansas City Chiefs let go after a strange one-day kicking contest among three hopefuls.
The Jets, however, might not find it so easy to send Nugent to the curb.
On the day the Jets signed Feely, Mangini said Feely would be the kicker only until "Mike gets back."
That was team loyalty talking then. Nugent was entering his fourth season as the Jets' kicker. They used a second-round pick to draft him out of Ohio State in 2005. He was the highest-drafted kicker since Sebastian Janikowski in 2000 and the second-highest since John Lee in 1986.
Nugent scored 110 points last year for a team that went 4-12. His 29 field goals were tied for fifth in the NFL.
But if Nugent was healthy enough to be a game-time decision on Nov. 13, then one must wonder if Mangini has changed his mind.
A look at the AFC East in Pro Bowl balloting
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
New York Jets quarterback Brett Favre continues to be the AFC's most popular quarterback in balloting for the Pro Bowl.
Favre ranks third among all NFL players with 525,825 votes in fan balloting, which continues until Dec. 9. Fans account for one-third of the process, with players and coaches also helping decide who goes to Honolulu.
Here are the position-by-position tallies of where AFC East players rank within the conference:
Quarterback
1. Brett Favre, Jets (525,825 votes)
Comment: He has about 152,000 more votes than second-place Jay Cutler.
Running back
1. Ronnie Brown, Dolphins (346,059)
4. Marshawn Lynch, Bills (181,613)
Comment: Tennessee Titans rookie Chris Johnson is behind Brown by about 36,000 votes.
Fullback
3. Tony Richardson, Jets (95,559)
Comment: Richardson still third, but he's closing the gap a bit on LeRon McClain, about 22,000 votes ahead.
Wide receiver
4. Randy Moss, Patriots (235,279)
Comment: Moss finally had a Pro Bowl-worthy game with three touchdowns against Miami. He trails first-place Brandon Marshall by 50,000 votes.
Tight end
None.
Comment: No AFC East tight end should be in the top five.
Center
3. Nick Mangold, Jets (126,938)
Comment: Mangold is hopelessly way behind Kevin Mawae and Jeff Saturday.
Guard
1. Alan Faneca, Jets (215,134)
5. Logan Mankins (74,936)
Comment: Bills guard Derrick Dockery falls out of the fourth spot, while Mankins deservedly debuts in the top five.
Tackle
1. Jake Long, Dolphins (137,556)
2. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Jets (125,602)
3. Matt Light, Patriots (100,824)
Comment: Again, the only AFC East left tackle not in the top five is former Pro Bowler Jason Peters.
Defensive end
None.
Comment: Still no Richard Seymour?
Defensive tackle
4. Kris Jenkins, Jets (105,282)
5. Marcus Stroud, Bills (93,589)
Comment: Stroud slips from third to fifth, while Jenkins rises from fourth to third. Albert Haynesworth has more then twice as many votes as second-place Casey Hampton with 263,064 votes.
Outside linebacker
1. Joey Porter, Dolphins (198,283)
Comment: Chatty sackmaster has about 42,000 more voted than second-place James Harrison.
Inside linebacker
4. Tedy Bruschi, Patriots (60,658)
5. Jerod Mayo, Patriots (52,290)
Comment: Rookie of the Year candidate Mayo debuts on the list and deserves to finish higher than Bruschi. Regardless, Ray Lewis is uncatchable.
Cornerback
None.
Comment: Darrelle Revis is being overlooked because of such big names as Champ Bailey and Cortland Finnegan.
Strong safety
4. Yeremiah Bell, Dolphins (22,977)
5. Donte Whitner, Bills (22,945)
Comment: Bell and Whitner switch positions on the list. Whitner's shoulder injury is keeping him off the field and certainly will affect his votes. Troy Polamalu is in first by a large margin.
Free safety
4. Kerry Rhodes, Jets (46,198)
Comment: Ed Reed is way out in front with more than three times as many votes as Rhodes.
Kicker
5. Dan Carpenter, Dolphins (50,793)
Comment: Stephen Gostkowski is tied for the NFL lead with 103 points and can't get any Pro Bowl love.
Punter
3. Brian Moorman, Bills (44,599)
Comment: Moorman moves up from fourth and is only 22,000 votes behind leader Shane Lechler.
Kick returner
2. Leon Washington, Jets (63,709)
Comment: Washington jumps up from fourth but still is 25,000 votes from Darren Sproles. Bills specialist Roscoe Parrish falls out of fifth.
Special teamer
2. Patrick Cobbs, Dolphins (55,894)
3. Larry Izzo, Patriots (43,462)
Comment: Cobbs and Izzo flip-flop spots. Cobbs is only about 4,000 votes behind Anthony Madison.
MIAMI -- All four AFC East clubs are kicking off at 1 p.m. Sunday, which will make scoreboard watching especially entertaining.
If the first-place New York Jets aren't to mark up the Tennessee Titans' unblemished record, then the winner of the New England Patriots and Miami Dolphins showdown will be tied atop the AFC East.
The flagging Buffalo Bills play the Kansas City Chiefs in a game that could cripple the Bills' dim playoff hopes.
Of interest on the various injury reports, the Jets have scratched Mike Nugent, meaning Jay Feely, perhaps the best street free-agent pickup of the year, will remain their kicker for at least one more week.
There are no surprises in the Patriots-Dolphins game. Most notable is that defense end Richard Seymour and linebacker Tedy Bruschi will play. Both were questionable. Dolphins receiver Ernest Wilford is inactive. Again.
For the Bills, receiver Josh Reed is back after missing three games with an ankle injury.
Sparano to the injured: 'Nobody feels sorry for you'
DAVIE, Fla. -- The Miami Dolphins have been criticized for their unpopulated injury reports. They issued another blank report Wednesday for their game against the New England Patriots, and no injuries to list in Week 12 seems rather dubious.
The more we learn about rookie head coach Tony Sparano, however, the more we understand.
Injury reports are less a descriptive rundown of injured players than, depending on the day provided, involvement in practice or the likelihood a player will suit up.
In Sparano's world, you practice and you play through pain. If you can't go, you're headed to injured reserve.
"Nobody feels sorry for you one way or the other," Sparano said. "The Patriots don't feel sorry for us. We really don't feel sorry for them.
"So at the end of this if you are hurt and truly hurt, that is one thing. If you are bumped up, nicked up, whatever it is -- there's a pretty good chance there is a lot of people in this league that are nicked up, hurt whatever it is -- they have to play.
"So the message is simple: If you want to go to heaven you have to die to get there. If you are in some of those situations you want to get to where you're going to be, well, you got to play hurt."
Most notable on the Patriots' injury list are four players who didn't practice Wednesday: running back LaMont Jordan (calf), linebacker Adalius Thomas (forearm), linebacker Eric Alexander (hamstring) and cornerback Jonathan Wilhite (sick). Defensive end Richard Seymour (toe) was limited.
The New York Jets, who will play the unbeaten Tennessee Titans, went without linebacker David Harris (groin) and safety Eric Smith (head). Receiver Laveranues Coles (thigh), linebacker Jason Trusnik (knee) and kicker Mike Nugent (thigh) were limited.
The Buffalo Bills, who will visit the Kansas City Chiefs, missed five defensive players in practice: defensive end Aaron Schobel (foot), linebacker Marcus Buggs (ankle), cornerback Jabari Greer (knee) and safeties Bryan Scott (knee) and Donte Whitner (shoulder).
How is AFC East faring in Pro Bowl votes?
Brett Favre is the AFC's most popular quarterback in balloting for the Pro Bowl.
Favre ranks third among all NFL players with 402,514 votes in fan-based balloting, which continues until Dec. 9. Fan balloting counts for one-third of the process, with players and coaches also helping decide who goes to Honolulu.
Among AFC East players, what I found most interesting about the early returns is the dearth of Buffalo Bills among the top five at the various positions. Bills fans are passionate, especially when their team is winning, and online balloting began Oct. 13.
Here are the position-by-position results and how AFC East players rank within the conference:
Quarterback
1. Brett Favre, Jets (402,514)
Comment: He has almost 94,000 more votes than second-place Jay Cutler.
Running back
1. Ronnie Brown, Dolphins (284,794)
4. Marshawn Lynch, Bills (154,637)
Comment: The Wildcat has helped propel Brown to prominence, but he's deserving without gadgets.
Fullback
3. Tony Richardson, Jets (70,237)
Comment: LeRon McClain of the Ravens is first with about 25,000 more votes.
Wide receiver
4. Randy Moss, Patriots (188,138)
Comment: Strictly on reputation. Jets receivers Laveranues Coles and Jerricho Cotchery are having seasons every bit as good.
Ty Warren out, Morris will dress for Pats
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- The New England Patriots' defense will need to cope with more than just the loss of leading sackmaster Adalius Thomas.
Also out for Thursday night's big AFC East showdown with the New York Jets is starting defensive end Ty Warren, who has been limited all week with a groin injury and can't go on the slick Gillette Stadium turf.
Warren is second on the Patriots with 54 tackles. He also recorded both of his sacks over the past two games.
Thomas, who already had been ruled out with a forearm injury, leads the Patriots with five sacks.
But here's some good news for Patriots fans: Running back Sammy Morris is active after missing three games with a knee injury.
Here are the other inactives:New England Patriots
- QB Matt Gutierrez
- CB Terrence Wheatley
- CB Lewis Sanders
- RB LaMont Jordan
- LB Eric Alexander
- T Wesley Britt
New York Jets
Nugent or Feely? Jets have decision at kicker
Posted by ESPN.com's Tim Graham
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| Nugent | Feely |
FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Perhaps the most intriguing name on the injury report for the AFC East's first-place showdown Thursday night in Gillette Stadium belongs to a kicker.
The New York Jets list Mike Nugent as questionable against the New England Patriots. A thigh injury has sidelined Nugent since the season opener.
"Nuge will travel with us," Jets coach Eric Mangini said Wednesday. "We'll make a decision tomorrow."
Mangini has said Nugent would retain his job once healthy, but replacement kicker Jay Feely has made six of his seven attempts from 40 yards or beyond, including both tries of at least 50 yards.
In last week's blowout victory over the St. Louis Rams, Feely tied a franchise record with a 55-yard field goal at the end of the first half to give the Jets a 40-0 lead. He made all four of his attempts.
Also on the Jets' injury report, tight end Bubba Franks (hip), linebacker David Harris (groin) and safety Eric Smith (head) are out. The Jets don't classify anyone as doubtful.
Patriots running back LaMont Jordan likely will miss his sixth straight game with a calf injury and is listed as doubtful along with cornerback Lewis Sanders (hamstring).
Running back Sammy Morris (knee) is questionable. He has missed three games in a row.
As expected, linebacker Adalius Thomas (forearm) and cornerback Terrence Wheatley (wrist) have been ruled out. Both are expected to land in injured reserve eventually.



