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Start of 'older' era for Browns with Weeden
BEREA, Ohio -- The Colt McCoy era is over. A new one -- make that older one -- began Thursday night when the Cleveland Browns selected Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden with the 22nd overall pick.
The Browns have gone from a weak-armed quarterback to a geriatric one by NFL standards. At 28 years, 195 days, Weeden is the oldest player ever to be taken in the first round of the Common Draft era, according to Elias Sports Bureau. Weeden is only two years younger than Ben Roethlisberger. He's one year older than Brady Quinn, the last quarterback taken by the Browns in the first round.
Drafting running back Trent Richardson in the first round was a no-brainer. And, even though I think Weeden can be a quality starter in this league, taking him in the first round makes little sense for a team that is not a quarterback away from contending for a Super Bowl.
The Browns have too many other needs on offense to reach for a failed minor-league pitcher. The Cleveland front office believes it found a franchise quarterback in Weeden, but you have to wonder who is going to block for him at right tackle and who is going to catch the long passes from Weeden's big arm. The Browns are right that Weeden will be an upgrade over McCoy. But, like McCoy, he might have trouble reaching that potential with the holes surrounding him.
In a span of a few hours, the Dawg Pound went from high-fiving over the selection of Richardson to scratching their heads over Weeden.
Why didn't the Browns take a wide receiver like Georgia Tech's Stephen Hill? Why didn't Cleveland pick up Iowa offensive tackle Riley Reiff or Stanford guard David DeCastro? Why did a rebuilding franchise select an older quarterback?
"We went through the process of evaluating him, we became very fond of him," Browns coach Pat Shurmur said. "We all did, from Randy [Lerner, owner] to Mike [Holmgren, team president] to Tom [Heckert, general manager] to myself. I came away saying this is a guy we'd like to have on our team. That's where we're at right now."
It was interesting that Shurmur pointed out that the owner had input on this decision. The pressure is on, and the clock is ticking.
At his age, Weeden has to start immediately. There's no time to let him sit and learn. And, because of his age, the expectation is to win immediately.
Browns officials shrugged off Weeden's age as being an issue. The number they concentrated on is 22, which is Weeden's wins in 25 starts in college.
"We feel like the kid's a winner," Shurmur said. "I wasn't concerned about his age."
The arrival of Weeden could mean the end of McCoy's days in Cleveland. The Browns gave McCoy a major vote of no confidence when they aggressively tried to trade up for Robert Griffin III last month.
The question now isn't whether McCoy will compete for the job. It's whether McCoy will even be on this team. Heckert didn't deny the possibility that the Browns could trade McCoy this weekend.
"To be honest, we haven't thought about that. We really haven't," Heckert said. "That's something we'll talk about tonight and tomorrow."
If it wasn't for Weeden's age, he would have been a top-10 pick. He has a strong arm. He's got a quick release. He is a hard worker. He is a respected leader.
There's a good chance that Weeden will be a productive quarterback and might end the string of other "franchise" quarterbacks like Tim Couch, Derek Anderson and Quinn. The problem is, teams draft quarterbacks in the first round to be the starter for the next decade. The odds are against that with Weeden, who will turn 30 in October next year.
The Browns have done such a great job in rebuilding the defense in the past two drafts that you want to give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll do the same on offense. When it came time for the Browns to pick at No. 22, Heckert said there was no decision to make especially after Baylor wide receiver Kendall Wright was drafted by Tennessee at No. 20.
"Brandon was by far the best player for us," Heckert said. "There wasn't really even an afterthought. As soon as a couple of guys went, we knew we were going to take him."
Weeden might have been the best player available at that point. He was just not the right player for the Browns.
US PresswireThe futures of the Bengals and Browns are tied to young QBs Andy Dalton, left, and Colt McCoy.With new eras beginning simultaneously for Ohio's two NFL franchises, young quarterbacks Andy Dalton and Colt McCoy will be aiming to shift the balance of power toward the Cincinnati Bengals and Cleveland Browns, respectively. Quarterback is the league's most important position, and if Dalton and McCoy turn out to be the long-term solutions, it could go a long way toward potentially turning the AFC North on its head.
The Steelers and Ravens have their answers at quarterback. Pittsburgh's Ben Roethlisberger, 29, already has led his team to three Super Bowls, winning two, and is currently in the prime of his career. Baltimore's Joe Flacco, 26, has led the Ravens to three consecutive playoff appearances and continues to get better.
That puts an immense amount of pressure on Dalton and McCoy to catch up. Their futures directly tie into Cincinnati and Cleveland's ability or inability to close the gap within the division. If both are busts, there might not be an end in sight to the dominance by Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Neither the Bengals nor the Browns have any shot of overcoming these perennial contenders with shoddy quarterback play.
"It's horrible; there's nothing good about [inexperienced quarterbacks] facing the Ravens and Steelers," said Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. "They're not carbon copies of each other, but their philosophy is pretty similar. They're going to take away your running game, and you're not going to outwork them in the trenches or move them. Then you're one-dimensional, and then you're in trouble."
Cleveland has had a number of quarterbacks eaten alive by Baltimore and Pittsburgh since returning to the NFL in 1999. Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn are just some of the players who were battered, beaten and couldn't maintain long-term success in the AFC North. McCoy is next in line to give it a shot this season.
Last season McCoy showed flashes of promise, but he got off to an inauspicious start against Pittsburgh and Baltimore. He went 0-3 against the Steelers and Ravens, throwing for two touchdowns and eight interceptions in those games. If McCoy has similar performances against Cleveland's biggest rivals in Year 2, he won't hold his starting job very long.
"I think he played like a rookie at times and then he far exceeded my expectations at other times," Browns president Mike Holmgren said recently of McCoy. "It coincided with the games we won and a couple games that we lost. ... Did he exceed expectations from me? I would have to say yes, because I didn't expect him to play. Is there a huge upside and much more to come? I would say yes to that, too, because he is a young man just learning to play the position in our league."
Holmgren echoes the sentiment of Cleveland's coaches and those in the front office, who remain optimistic about McCoy. But Williamson isn't convinced.
Williamson recently ranked the Browns last in his post-draft Power Rankings, leading Scouts Inc. to predict Cleveland will take Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck with the top pick in the 2012 draft. If this scenario plays out, McCoy's first full season as a starter in 2011 projects to be a disaster.
"I really worry about the guy's arm strength. I just can't get around that," Williamson said. "When the weather gets bad, he's not going to be able to complete passes in Cleveland. I think he's a real good fit in the West Coast offense. I think he has some moxie to him and I like the way he plays. But when it's December and the Steelers and Ravens are in town, you better be able to complete a deep out."
Former No. 1 overall pick Carson Palmer did have success, which is why Cincinnati is the only team other than Baltimore and Pittsburgh to win the AFC North. The Bengals won division titles in 2005 and 2009.
Palmer, who demanded a trade and threatened to retire this offseason, was particularly tough against the Ravens. He was 9-4 as a starter versus Baltimore, and the Ravens certainly won't miss Palmer if he never plays another down in Cincinnati.
That is where Dalton comes in. Barring an unexpected change of heart by Palmer, Dalton is projected to be the Week 1 starter in Cincinnati after leading TCU to an undefeated season in 2010.
Dalton, like many successful quarterbacks, comes to Cincinnati with confidence and a very competitive attitude.
"Obviously, everyone knows about the current situation with Carson Palmer," Dalton said. "As far as I know, it's open [competition]. We're trying to figure out who will be the guy, and I’m looking forward to it."
Dalton's biggest strengths are his accuracy and leadership, which will be needed in Cincinnati. Dalton recently said he models his game after some of the top quarterbacks in the league.
"Growing up and watching the NFL, I saw what Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have done. They seem to have full control over their team," Dalton explained. "You see how well it's worked out for them. Recently, I watched Aaron Rodgers even before he won the Super Bowl. He's a guy who took advantage of his opportunity when it was his time. I think those are three guys that I've watched and studied. Hopefully I can take something from each of their games."
Neither McCoy nor Dalton was a top draft pick. McCoy was a third-rounder in 2010, and Dalton was taken in the second round last month. Yet both are projected to start very early in their careers and, thus, will carry pressure similar to being a first-round pick.
Time will tell if Dalton and McCoy will eventually lead to a quarterback changing of the guard in the AFC North. But count Williamson among the biggest skeptics.
"They both won a ton of games in college, were wonderful college players, and you want your daughter to marry them," Williamson explained. "But they just don't throw the football as well as they have to be 'The Guy' in that division."
Browns have a lot riding on Colt McCoy
Scott A. Miller/US PresswireColt McCoy has three more games to prove he deserves to be the Browns' starting quarterback beyond the 2010 season.Mangini gushed about McCoy's work ethic, quick learning curve and how the rookie wouldn't accept it when everyone in the organization -- from Holmgren on down -- said they didn't plan for McCoy to see the field this year. Instead, McCoy is projected to play eight games, which is half of the Browns' season.
McCoy landed his initial opportunity through injury, but he's regaining the starting job with solid play in five starts. He threw for 975 yards, completed 63.8 percent of his passes and had an 85.3 passer rating. The rookie proved to be the best quarterback on the roster and essentially forced the team into this decision.
"I wasn't really looking at this as just being the case where we're throwing a young guy in to see whether or not a young guy can do it," Mangini said. "I think Colt really did a good job with the opportunities that he had. I think he's earned the chance to play these three games."
Is McCoy the long-term solution in Cleveland? It's too early to tell.
But the Browns (5-8) and the rest of the NFL are about to learn a lot more about McCoy in the next three games against AFC North opponents. The first test is Sunday, a road game against the Cincinnati Bengals (2-11) and then there's back-to-back home games against the playoff-bound Baltimore Ravens (9-4) and Pittsburgh Steelers (10-3).
The training wheels are officially off for McCoy.
"It's no landmark day," McCoy said Thursday. "Today is the day that I know I'm the starter and I have to go out and play. I have to go out and get better and I have to go out and help us win."
McCoy's play down the stretch will affect a lot with the Browns, starting with the NFL draft. Quarterback is the league's most important position, and Cleveland has lacked stability there since returning to the NFL in 1999.
A lot of quarterbacks have passed through Cleveland's revolving door, including Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn and now Jake Delhomme. Poor quarterback play is one of the biggest reasons Cleveland has just one playoff appearance in more than a decade.
McCoy showed promise, going 2-3 in five starts. But five games do not make a solid season. Three more contests will provide a half-season's worth of film to evaluate the rookie.
"The No. 1 goal of the Cleveland Browns right now has to be finding out what they have in McCoy," said Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. "They like what they've seen from him, but can he be the guy? Or do the Browns need to draft a guy or bring in a free agent? I think the Browns need to have a clear picture of that going into the offseason."
The Browns also need to find out whether McCoy can play in inclement weather. Garcia, Frye and Quinn didn't have the arm strength to throw against the heavy winds that come off Lake Erie in Browns Stadium during the winter.
McCoy's biggest asset is his accuracy, not arm strength, which raised some red flags when the Browns drafted the University of Texas product in the third round. McCoy didn't see a lot of bad weather as a four-year starter in the Big 12.
"I've played in the snow and wind in Kansas a couple times. I've played in Nebraska," McCoy explained. "We had some real wet games back home [in Austin]."
McCoy believes playing in bad weather is more mental than physical. But when he was pressed by the media this week regarding his arm strength, a confident McCoy fired back.
"I guess we'll find out, won't we?" McCoy scoffed.
Running the carousel in the AFC North also will be a great learning tool for McCoy. If Cleveland is to turn the franchise around and make a run at the postseason, it first has to win within the division.
The past three seasons the Browns are just 3-12 against AFC North opponents. It's a major reason former head coach Romeo Crennel was fired in Cleveland and Mangini is currently on the hot seat. If McCoy can get hot and pick up two or three wins against Cleveland's biggest rivals, everyone in the organization looks better heading into the offseason.
It's obvious the Browns have a lot riding on McCoy's performance in these final three games.
Jake Delhomme bringing winning mentality
Nick Laham/Getty ImagesJake Delhomme is looking to rebound from a disastrous 2009 season.The Browns are hopeful they finally have a proven starting quarterback this year. Since returning to the NFL in 1999, Cleveland has had a plethora of rotating quarterbacks that included Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson.
Delhomme looked good in Wednesday's practice that was open to the media. He hit receivers Brian Robiskie and Chansi Stuckey for a pair of diving touchdown receptions to the outside. Delhomme also was accurate and in command of the huddle throughout Wednesday's organized team activities.
"The things that we have heard about his leadership and our research is definitely showing up since he's been here," said Cleveland head coach Eric Mangini.
The Browns have a quiet confidence about Delhomme.
Expectations are fairly low, because Delhomme is 35 and coming off the worst season of his NFL career. Last year Delhomme threw for 2,015 yards, eight touchdowns and 18 interceptions before being benched by the Carolina Panthers.
"I love six of the seven years I had in Carolina," Delhomme said. "I'll be perfectly honest. Everything was great, [but] last season just wasn’t a lot of fun."
Much of Cleveland's success rest on Delhomme's shoulders. If he has a bounce-back year, the Browns have a good chance to improve on last year's 5-11 record. If Delhomme has another disastrous year, Cleveland could be in major trouble.
Will the Cleveland Browns have enough patience to successfully groom rookie quarterback Colt McCoy?
When it comes to quarterbacks, patience certainly is not a virtue in Cleveland.
AP Photo/Amy SancettaColt McCoy is expected to start the season No. 3 on the quarterback depth chart.Often the Browns' organization followed suit by rushing quarterbacks onto the field and usually without much of a supporting cast.
For example, Tim Couch was a No. 1 overall pick after the Browns returned to the NFL in 1999. He played 15 games his rookie year and spent that season -- and most of his career -- taking a pounding for an expansion franchise. Thus, Couch never had the chance to fully blossom as an NFL quarterback thanks to various injuries he suffered.
Kelly Holcomb, Charlie Frye, Derek Anderson and most recently Brady Quinn all followed and were among the young players who were shuffled in and out of Cleveland’s revolving door at quarterback. The team never established a consistent direction at the league's most important position.
This brings us to McCoy -- this year's highly publicized third-round pick. He is the next young quarterback to generate hope and a significant buzz in northeast Ohio.
Ideally, Browns president Mike Holmgren wants to wait a year, maybe two, before McCoy sees the field. But the second veteran starter Jake Delhomme struggles with a multi-interception game, there will be pressure in Cleveland to see what McCoy can do. Yet Seneca Wallace, not McCoy, is currently No. 2 on the depth chart if Delhomme falters.
In the past decade, few NFL franchises have failed more at grooming a long-term solution at quarterback than the Browns. That is why it's important for the team to stick to its plan and let McCoy learn from the sidelines in 2010 -- no matter what happens with the quarterbacks in front of him.
Here are several responses we received from Browns fans in our AFC North inbox:
AP Photo/Mark DuncanDerek Anderson had his say. Now Browns fans weigh in on quarterback play in Cleveland.Tony from Rootstown, Ohio, writes: Come on, James. Do you really blame us for coveting the official clipboard holder? The poor level of play we have been subjected to the last 10 years is mind numbing. Most Browns fans are embarrassed that the minority booed Derek that day he laid hurt. Most of us don’t wish to see these men hurt, let alone enjoy it. If the players don’t consider 10 years of sellout crowds, $4 hot dogs, $8 beer and hundreds, if not thousands, for tickets a sign of support, what should we do as fans? We are frustrated. Take a look at what we have endured as fans, the team redefines inept with every season and Sunday. Yeah, its the fans fault.
Kovacs from Santa Monica writes: I get your point JW, but Browns fans aren't changing their ways. We are dyed in the wool, stubborn maniacs. Should we have cheered when DA got hurt? No. Was it all his fault? No. Frustration is the word. How can a franchise with such a proud history at QB be left with the garbage that we've had since rejoining the league? Our two best seasons of QB play during that period came from flash in the pan one-year wonders (Kelly Holcomb and DA). Other than that the position has been absolutely garbage. So I say again, we probably shouldn't have cheered when the guy got hurt.
Doug Kitts from Ravenna, Ohio, writes: Cleveland is a brutal town for QBs, yes. But can't some of the blame be laid at the feet of the coaching staffs that have been here. Ever since the Holcomb/Tim Couch debate began with Butch Davis there hasn't been a single coaching staff that has completely backed a QB. If you combine that sort of wishy-washy front with a very frustrated and reactionary fan base it's no wonder the fans so quickly turn. Look, fans should have never cheered for any player to be injured. I don't, by any stretch, condone it. But there comes a point in time that maybe it's not just a cynical group of fans. Maybe it's their reaction to complete and utter ineptitude since this "franchise" was brought back to Cleveland. The front office and coaching staff can do a lot to "set the tone" for a fan base.
Bruce Hicks from Indianapolis, Ind., writes: I enjoy your writing but was blown away by your latest blog. D. Anderson has every right to his opinion and I don't think he needed to apologize. However, except in maybe four NFL towns, the backup QB is always popular and Cleveland IS frustrated. What NFL city wouldn't be that's hoping for one decent starter? And, with Quinn and Anderson we have zero.
Justin from Cleveland writes: I understand why DA would feel so strongly about the fans here. But seriously, he threw away so many games in 2007. I watched most of the games and if he could have connected on short routes and really been the reason we won 10 games, then we would love him. It just remains that he was awful. He was never a good personality, preferring golf over football constantly. If he could have gotten it together and tried AT ALL he could have been ok. But he threw so many bad passes that he played himself out of our favor.
Josh from Atlanta, Ga., writes: You said the backup QB is the most popular in Cleveland. Well, that's only because the starter has been so bad since Couch was here. Even in Anderson's Pro Bowl season his numbers against winning teams were TERRIBLE. How [former GM] Phil Savage didn't see that is beyond me.
In our latest version of "Thought of the Day" in the AFC North, we asked which team was better: The 1999 expansion Cleveland Browns or this year’s Browns?
Here were the responses from our division inbox:
Kovacs from Santa Monica writes: Despite the poor effort, bad play and head-scratching front office moves, I have to take the 2009 Browns. This season has been painful, but I think that Randy Lerner is finally figuring out what he needs to do to run a team. The franchise needs a face and somebody to do the day-to-day stuff. It looks like the Browns will get that after the season.
Dirk from Everett, Wash., writes: The 2009 Browns are much more talented across the entire team, but the '99 Browns unfortunately were the better team. The '99 Browns were clearly overmatched, but they played with a desperate eagerness that made them a little dangerous on the field and worth watching. The '09 Browns often play with little obvious energy and passion. Tim Couch 10 games into his career was definitely better than Quinn 10 starts in, despite having only one reasonably decent weapon to work with. The '09 Browns would be much better if they stopped acting like Eric Mangini so much. He only stands on the sideline glowering at everyone.
Domenic DiPuccio from Brook Park, Ohio, writes: If I had to choose, it would have to be this year’s version of the Browns. Back in 1999 there was hope, now there is just apathy. They have had eleven years to build something that resembles a football team and we, the fans have yet to see it. This franchise is the laughing stock of the entire NFL. I think that the Lerner family will finally realize that the fans have had enough. There will be three games blacked-out here in Cleveland for the first time since the team's return, and I know many fans are talking about giving up their season tickets. The love affair with the Bleeding Clowns is over Randy Lerner. It is time to do something to make this city proud again, or you could always move the team to Los Angeles. I heard they want an NFL team.
Lucas Bertaux-Skeirik from Cincinnati, Ohio writes: The '99 Browns are definitely better. They scored more points per game, and the '09 Browns only win was against Buffalo, 6-3. You can barely count that as a win. The ‘09 Browns are playing in a tough division this year, with the Bengals being good, but it still does not excuse their 1-11 record.
Lupe Gonzalez from Lorain, Ohio writes: Hey guys wake up! 1999 Brownies were led by a pathetic QB in Couch. Brady Quinn has what it takes to be a great QB. Many changes need to be made offensively and defensively. Spend the money and get quality players to help Quinn make the Browns contenders!
Craig from Lwood, Ohio, writes: Does anyone really care? But if I had to pick, it would be the '99 squad. They are going to have more wins, and even if the '09 team squeaks out another W, it won't be against the Steelers. So the '99 teams gets the tie-breaker with their W over the black and gold.
Dan Wise from Minneapolis, Minn., writes: Big Game James, in regards to the "Thought of the Day" for the ‘09 vs ‘99 Browns, the ‘09 team seems to have more talent on it but if you look at the overall picture, the 99 team was better. The ‘99 team gave the fans hope. We knew it would be a rough season but there was hope. The only hope this team has is that Mangini is gone and Lerner hires the right people. The ‘99 team played with passion and gave it their all. This team seems to quit at times and there is fighting in the locker room. All in all the ‘99 season was so much more enjoyable as a Browns fan, even if the quality of players was not nearly as close.
Matt from Castle Rock writes: It’s 1999 without a doubt. It means the Butch Davis, Mangini, Chris Palmer and the Romeo Crennel/Phil Savage years never happened. In a strange twist, I would take Romeo and Savage to start the expansion Browns though.
Kyle Phelps from Cincinnati, Ohio, writes: The biggest difference between the '99 Browns and the '09 Browns is Tim Couch vs. Brady Quinn. Couch was labeled a "bust" because he struggled on the Browns, got hurt, and just wasn't right afterwards. But if you look at how he played, he played hard and with heart. I'm not saying Brady Quinn doesn't have heart, but he just doesn't have the same level of natural talent as Couch did. Plus the 1999 Browns had a lot of young players with potential. The current Browns are young but a lot of the players do not look like they are going anywhere. As for being a collectively better team I'd say the 1999 Browns were better, if not just because their QB was actually good.
AFC North Final Say
James Walker: These are all interesting points from both sides. But if those two teams played on Sunday, I think the 2009 Browns have a little more talent and would win by a slight margin. But in the end, you are what your record says you are. So if the current Browns cannot at least match the 2-14 record of the expansion Browns, it's hard to argue this year's version was better. Stay tuned.
If you have any future "Thought of the Day" topics, feel free to send them to our AFC North inbox.
Thought of the Day: '99 or '09 Browns?
As usual, we have another interesting "Thought of the Day" in the division.
This week we ask our AFC North community which team is better: The 1999 Cleveland Browns or the 2009 Browns?
Keep in mind, the '99 Browns were an expansion team. It was the first year back after Cleveland lost its team to Baltimore, and the Browns finished the season 2-14. They scored 13.6 points per game that year and allowed 27.3 points per contest defensively.
In '99, Cleveland was led by players such as No. 1 overall pick Tim Couch at quarterback, Kevin Johnson at receiver, and linebacker Jamir Miller on defense. The Browns did beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh that year.
This season the Browns are currently 1-11 and have to win one of their final four games to match the expansion team from a decade ago. They are scoring 12.1 points per game, while allowing 25.5 a contest.
Brady Quinn and Derek Anderson have rotated at quarterback, while Shaun Rogers was the best defensive player until he was lost for the season with a leg injury.
So which team was better: The '99 Browns (2-14) or the '09 Browns (1-11)?
Send your "Thought of the Day" comments below or to our AFC North inbox, and we will run the best responses throughout the week.
Posted by ESPN.com’s James Walker
Here is an amazing stat: The Cleveland Browns are the only NFL team to open their season at home every year since 1999.
Here is another amazing stat: Cleveland is 1-9 in those games.
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For the 11th consecutive season, the Dawgpound will host a season opener Sunday when the Browns face Brett Favre and the Minnesota Vikings.
Cleveland’s had the benefit of being granted a decade’s worth of home openers by the NFL but has done very little with it. The team’s only win came in 2004 against the Baltimore Ravens (20-3).
The Browns have been outscored 256-105 in their last 10 openers. And according to ESPN Stats & Information, Cleveland hasn’t scored one first-quarter touchdown in Week 1 since its return to the league in 1999.
This is also a major reason the Browns have just one playoff appearance in that same span. Cleveland rarely gets off to a fast start, where a season-opening loss usually contributes to an uphill climb the rest of the year.
The Browns are hoping for better success this week under new head coach Eric Mangini. He had some first-year magic with the New York Jets in leading them to the playoffs as a rookie coach in 2006. But few expect similar results in Cleveland.
Mangini still hasn’t named his starting quarterback but has an idea of who it’s going to be. Most expect it to be Brady Quinn, who would be the eighth Week 1 starting quarterback in the past 11 seasons. That list also includes Ty Detmer, Tim Couch, Kelly Holcomb, Trent Dilfer and Charlie Frye.
Can Mangini and (possibly) Quinn buck the trend?
Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker
Jesse from Boulder, CO writes: James, as a Browns fan I have been through too many lackluster 1st round picks. I feel like Eric Mangini and George Kokinis need to get at least a good starting player with our 5th overall pick. [Wake Forest linebacker] Aaron Curry seems like the surest thing, but he probably won't fall to us. Who is the next "surest" player deserving of a fifth overall pick?
Jesse is one of many Cleveland Browns fans who is nervous about the NFL draft on April 25-26. The Browns have high picks in nearly every round -- including the No. 5 overall pick -- which should be comforting and exciting. But historically Cleveland has floundered in this position more often than not, which is one of the primary reasons the Browns have just one playoff appearance since returning to the NFL in 1999.
This will be the sixth time in the past decade that the Browns own a top-five pick in the first round. Only the Oakland Raiders and Cincinnati Bengals are even in the same ballpark with four top-five selections in the same span.
Next week's draft will build or break the foundation of new Browns coach Eric Mangini and first-year general manager George Kokinis. In an effort to completely rebuild the team this offseason, it is vital that this pair nail this draft.
"The great thing I think about the league is you don't start where you finish," a confident Mangini said at the NFL owners' meeting. "The way that we work in this offseason, the things we're able to collectively do, the choices we make every day, ultimately define how successful we are."
Cleveland has had hits in the top five, such as offensive lineman Joe Thomas in 2007, and major misses, such as quarterback Tim Couch in 1999. Will this new regime take the sure picks and avoid the pitfalls?
With that in mind, here is an in-depth look at Cleveland's history in the top five the past 10 years:
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Year: 1999
- Pick: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky (No. 1 overall)
- Career stats: 59 starts, 11,131 yards, 64 touchdowns, 67 interceptions
- Players passed over: QB Donovan McNabb (No. 2), RB Edgerrin James (No. 4), WR Torry Holt (No. 6), CB Champ Bailey (No. 7), CB Chris McAlister (No. 10)
- Analysis: The first pick of Cleveland's return to the league turned out to be a bad one. Couch was the top pick in 1999, one spot ahead of McNabb, who has had a very productive career with the Philadelphia Eagles. There are some Browns fans who believe Couch simply played on awful teams and never got a fair chance to show what he could do. Despite the occasional flash, Couch was battered and beaten to the point where he retired after only five seasons. To this day, the Browns are still searching for a franchise quarterback.
- Boom or bust? Bust
Year: 2000
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- Pick: Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State (No. 1 overall)
- Career stats: 60 starts, 125 tackles, 19 sacks
- Players passed over: OT Chris Samuels (No. 3), RB Jamal Lewis (No. 5), Thomas Jones (No. 7), Brian Urlacher (No. 9)
- Analysis: After going for offense the year before, the Browns wanted a cornerstone to build a defense around and took Brown. After a decent rookie year, durability issues began to play a major factor with Brown in his second year. The defensive end only played 16 games once in his career and was out of the NFL after six seasons. By 2004, Cleveland was without Couch and Brown. How often can a team whiff on back-to-back No. 1 picks?
- Boom or bust? Bust
Year: 2001
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- Pick: Gerard Warren, DT, Florida (No. 3 overall)
- Career stats: 111 starts, 260 tackles, 30 sacks
- Players passed over: DE Justin Smith (No. 4), RB LaDainian Tomlinson (No. 5), DT Richard Seymour (No. 6), DT Marcus Stroud (No. 13)
- Analysis: Passing over both Tomlinson and Seymour are among the biggest mistakes in Cleveland history. Warren wasn't a bad player, but passing over those two players magnified drafting an average defensive lineman with the No. 3 overall pick. Warren was traded away after four meager years in Cleveland. Tomlinson and Seymour, on the other hand, went on to have potential Hall of Fame careers for the San Diego Chargers and New England Patriots, respectively. It makes you wonder if they would have had equal production with a struggling Cleveland franchise.
- Boom or bust? Bust
Year: 2005
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- Pick: Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan (No. 3 overall)
- Career stats: 228 receptions, 3,358 yards, 28 touchdowns
- Players passed over: LB DeMarcus Ware (No. 11), LB Shawne Merriman (No. 12), QB Aaron Rodgers (No. 24)
- Analysis: This was a brutal year to be in the top five and a case can be made that the Browns made the right call here in taking Edwards with the third pick. The top 10 in 2005 is littered with misses, including players such as quarterback Alex Smith (No. 1), tailback Cedric Benson (No. 4), cornerback Adam "Pacman” Jones (No. 6) and receiver Troy Williamson (No. 7). What were the Browns to do? They got at least one Pro Bowl out of Edwards, who is in the final year of his deal and probably won't return if he becomes an unrestricted free agent. The two players at the top of this draft were Ware and Merriman. But it's kind of hard to expect Cleveland to take players with the third pick who weren't rated in the top 10 at the time of the draft.
- Boom or bust: Jury is still out
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Year: 2007
- Pick: Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin (No. 3)
- Career stats: 32 starts, two Pro Bowls
- Players passed over: S LaRon Landry (No. 6), RB Adrian Peterson (No. 7), LB Patrick Willis (No. 11)
- Analysis: It's hard to argue with Cleveland taking one of the top left tackles in the NFL. Thomas was the safest pick in this draft, and Cleveland went the safe route. One season later, the Browns had 10 wins and a Pro Bowl left tackle. Thomas struggled a little during his second season, but he still made the Pro Bowl in a year the offense as a whole couldn't move the football. Some would argue having Peterson on the roster would've made a bigger impact. But good running backs are a dime a dozen. Great left tackles are not.
- Boom or bust: Boom
What will this year's top-five pick hold for the Browns? Based on Cleveland's track record, it could go either way.
It is no wonder Jesse and so many other Browns fans are so nervous.
Morning take: 'Hines Ward rule' approved
Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker
Here are the most interesting stories Wednesday in the AFC North:
- The NFL approved the "Hines Ward rule," preventing contact to the head on blindside blocks, at the owners' meeting Tuesday.
Morning take: Welcome to the NFFL: The National Flag Football League.
- Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini says expect another quarterback competition this summer between Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn.
Morning take: This is an annual pastime for the Browns. Throw this latest installment in with other classic competitions such as Tim Couch vs. Kelly Holcomb and Charlie Frye vs. Anderson.
- The Cincinnati Bengals are looking to get back to the deep ball with the return of quarterback Carson Palmer and receivers Chad Ocho Cinco and Laveranues Coles.
Morning take: They better get protection for Palmer in the draft first, or he will be on his back before the receivers finish their routes.
- Should the Baltimore Ravens be wary of signing offensive tackle Orlando Pace?
Morning take: Absolutely. His namesake and legacy are solid. But Pace has to be able to stay healthy to make a difference next season.
Morning take: Chad Johnson's new commercial
Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker
Here is your one-stop shopping around the AFC North:
- Chick Ludwig of the Dayton Daily News is a fan of Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chad Johnson's latest Reebok commercial. It shows Johnson hitchhiking on a dirt road in an effort to get to training camp.
Morning take: If Johnson had his druthers, that car would take him somewhere other than Georgetown, Ky.
- As you can read here and here, reports out of Baltimore state that training camp this year under Ravens rookie head coach John Harbaugh will be much different than the easy-going Brian Billick.
Morning take: In one year, the Ravens went from a summer country-club setting to running a boot camp. Ouch!
- Marla Ridenour of the Akron Beacon Journal says an annual staple is missing from Cleveland Browns training camp this year: a quarterback controversy.
Morning take: Not if it were up to Browns fans. But debating the merits of Derek Anderson versus Brady Quinn is a vast improvement of the days of Tim Couch vs. Kelly Holcomb or Trent Dilfer vs. Charlie Frye.







