AFC West: Nick Fairley
In our AFC West chat earlier Thursday, I was flooded with questions about the possibility of Denver pursuing Detroit defensive tackle Nick Fairley in a trade.
I can see why the question was asked.
FairleyDefensive tackle is Denver’s greatest need. Denver vice president John Elway admitted that the Broncos considered packaging several draft choices to nab a falling Fairley during the 2011 draft. Fairley dealt with injuries as a rookie and he didn’t make much of an impact. He was arrested this week on marijuana charges.
Again, I get why the question was so popular Thursday. Still, I question if a trade would occur.
The Lions’ coaching staff likes Fairley and it foresees him being part of a dominant front line, so he very likely would be difficult to obtain.
Also, he’d probably be expensive for Denver to get if it wanted him. He was the No. 13 overall pick last season, so I’m sure the Lions would want a first-round pick this year. Would he be worth the No. 25 pick to Denver? Maybe, but again, there would be a lot of obstacles to get over first beginning with the Lions making him available.
I broached the idea with Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. and he didn’t see a great fit.
“It seems strange to me, as Detroit just used a high draft pick on the guy,” Williamson said. “He was hurt a lot last year, so I don’t think we ever saw the true Fairley. But I do think he is a much better interior pass-rusher than run defender. At the right price, sure, but why would Detroit give up on him so quick? And I think Denver needs more of a run plugger.”
I can see why the question was asked.
Again, I get why the question was so popular Thursday. Still, I question if a trade would occur.
The Lions’ coaching staff likes Fairley and it foresees him being part of a dominant front line, so he very likely would be difficult to obtain.
Also, he’d probably be expensive for Denver to get if it wanted him. He was the No. 13 overall pick last season, so I’m sure the Lions would want a first-round pick this year. Would he be worth the No. 25 pick to Denver? Maybe, but again, there would be a lot of obstacles to get over first beginning with the Lions making him available.
I broached the idea with Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. and he didn’t see a great fit.
“It seems strange to me, as Detroit just used a high draft pick on the guy,” Williamson said. “He was hurt a lot last year, so I don’t think we ever saw the true Fairley. But I do think he is a much better interior pass-rusher than run defender. At the right price, sure, but why would Detroit give up on him so quick? And I think Denver needs more of a run plugger.”
In the end, Von Miller's status as a complete player won him the NFL Defensive of Rookie of the Year award.
The Associated Press announced the Denver Broncos rookie linebacker had been chosen. He and San Francisco linebacker Aldon Smith were considered close competitors for the award. Miller was the No. 2 overall pick in the April draft, while Smith was the No. 7 pick.
Miller had 11.5 sacks and Smith had 14, which was a half sack shy of the NFL rookie sack record.
Miller broke his thumb in late November and played the rest of the season and in Denver’s two playoff games with a cast on his right hand. The injury greatly affected his game as he was essentially playing with one hand. Miller’s play did improve in the playoffs.
Voters probably went with Miller because he was considered a much more complete player than Smith, who just played in pass-rushing situations. Miller was on the field for 79 percent of Denver’s defensive snaps and Smith played on 48 percent of the 49ers’ snaps.
Miller was the centerpiece of an improved Denver defense that helped spur an unlikely playoff run. The Broncos believe Miller will be a star for years to come. He does need to become a better run stopper and that should come with time. He was replaced on running downs at different parts of the season.
But Miller showed the work ethic and desire to improve that area of his game. Coaches and teammates lauded Miller for his approach and he is likely becoming a leader on the team.
Denver selected Miller in last April's draft after considering several other prospects, including Marcell Dareus, Patrick Peterson and Nick Fairley. The Broncos took Miller because they thought he had the most explosion and he had the highest ceiling. So far, it looks like the right call.
The Associated Press announced the Denver Broncos rookie linebacker had been chosen. He and San Francisco linebacker Aldon Smith were considered close competitors for the award. Miller was the No. 2 overall pick in the April draft, while Smith was the No. 7 pick.
Miller broke his thumb in late November and played the rest of the season and in Denver’s two playoff games with a cast on his right hand. The injury greatly affected his game as he was essentially playing with one hand. Miller’s play did improve in the playoffs.
Voters probably went with Miller because he was considered a much more complete player than Smith, who just played in pass-rushing situations. Miller was on the field for 79 percent of Denver’s defensive snaps and Smith played on 48 percent of the 49ers’ snaps.
Miller was the centerpiece of an improved Denver defense that helped spur an unlikely playoff run. The Broncos believe Miller will be a star for years to come. He does need to become a better run stopper and that should come with time. He was replaced on running downs at different parts of the season.
But Miller showed the work ethic and desire to improve that area of his game. Coaches and teammates lauded Miller for his approach and he is likely becoming a leader on the team.
Denver selected Miller in last April's draft after considering several other prospects, including Marcell Dareus, Patrick Peterson and Nick Fairley. The Broncos took Miller because they thought he had the most explosion and he had the highest ceiling. So far, it looks like the right call.
Rookie LB centerpiece of Elway's Broncos
September, 10, 2011
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Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
DENVER -- It was weeks into John Elway’s new role in his old home and he was explaining how he could best help the Denver Broncos take advantage of having the No. 2 overall draft pick.
While taking a break from scouting players at the NFL combine, the legendary quarterback stood in an Indianapolis hotel and said he thought he knew how to evaluate pass-rushers as well as any position on the field (quarterback and receiver included) because those were the players he spent all his time studying to beat.
There was no pass-rusher –- or any player regardless of position -– available in the 2011 draft who would have worried Elway the quarterback more than Von Miller. That's why Elway, the lead decision-maker of the Broncos, jumped at the opportunity to make Miller the centerpiece of his organization -- a team that no longer resembles the perennial contender of Elway’s heyday.
As the Elway-John Fox era officially begins when the Broncos host the Oakland Raiders in the second half of an ESPN “Monday Night Football” doubleheader (kickoff is set for 10:15 ET), all eyes will be on No. 58. Miller picked the number of his hero, the late Derrick Thomas. The Kansas City Chiefs’ Hall of Fame linebacker sacked Elway 26 times, the most of any player in Elway's career. This time, though, Elway won’t mind seeing that No. 58 drop the quarterback.
Elway -- who was hired by owner and close friend Pat Bowlen to bring stability to an organization that fired two head coaches in less than a two-year span -- is trying to fix the defense that was ranked last in the NFL last season and had a league-low 23 sacks in 2010. A team that is usually focused on offense hired Fox, one of the more respected defensive specialists in the NFL.
The Broncos zeroed in on several defensive players, including Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus, LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson and Auburn’s Nick Fairley. But in the team’s meetings, everything pointed to drafting Miller.
Denver concluded that Miller was the most sure of all the prospects. He starred on the field at Texas A&M. He had strong character. He stole the show during the Senior Bowl week. He blew away scouts at the combine with his size, speed and power. Elway told people his explosiveness was off the charts. And the Broncos marveled that someone could run like a cornerback while being built like a prototypical pass-rusher.
On the eve of the regular season, the Broncos are not regretting the pick. Big things are expected from Miller, including by ESPN’s panel of experts.
During training camp, I asked Fox about Miller’s development. He gave the typical coach party line that Miller was a work in progress. Then, I asked whether Miller’s ability was as advertised. Fox didn’t hesitate. “Oh yeah, he’s going to be a player,” Fox said.
Miller dominated the preseason. He had three sacks in limited action. He knocked down Seattle quarterback Tarvaris Jackson four times in the third preseason game. Denver believes the pass-rush combination of defensive end Elvis Dumervil (who led the NFL with 17 sacks in 2009 before missing all of last season with a pectoral injury) and Miller will immediately improve the defense.
If the Broncos have any chance of beating the Raiders -- who won 59-14 in Denver last season -- Dumervil and Miller have to knock Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell onto the Mile High ground a few times.
Miller knows what is expected of him in Denver. He is not shying away from the task of changing the defensive atmosphere in Denver.
“I’ve been ready since a few weeks ago,” Miller said earlier this week. “Every week is game week for me, but these are the ones that are really going to count and you can definitely feel it in practice. It’s a little more tense.”
Miller, known for being a team-oriented player in College Station, has impressed the Broncos by acting like an undrafted free agent. He studies the playbook diligently and doesn’t act like he's already arrived. He is bent on fixing mistakes.
“Every week I have to take a step to get better and that is what I have been trying to do,” Miller said. “I feel as if there is still a lot of room to improve. I need to improve my practice habits. I could run a little bit better in the games and get my assignments down. I can get my assignments down; you can’t have a guy out there who is inconsistent. That is one of the things I’m working on now, getting my plays down and being there for my team in crunch time.”
Crunch time begins Monday night, as does a new defensive era in Denver.
“I like him a lot,” future Hall of Fame cornerback Champ Bailey said. “You can see every day why he was the No. 2 pick. I’m glad he’s the guy we took.”
While taking a break from scouting players at the NFL combine, the legendary quarterback stood in an Indianapolis hotel and said he thought he knew how to evaluate pass-rushers as well as any position on the field (quarterback and receiver included) because those were the players he spent all his time studying to beat.
There was no pass-rusher –- or any player regardless of position -– available in the 2011 draft who would have worried Elway the quarterback more than Von Miller. That's why Elway, the lead decision-maker of the Broncos, jumped at the opportunity to make Miller the centerpiece of his organization -- a team that no longer resembles the perennial contender of Elway’s heyday.
As the Elway-John Fox era officially begins when the Broncos host the Oakland Raiders in the second half of an ESPN “Monday Night Football” doubleheader (kickoff is set for 10:15 ET), all eyes will be on No. 58. Miller picked the number of his hero, the late Derrick Thomas. The Kansas City Chiefs’ Hall of Fame linebacker sacked Elway 26 times, the most of any player in Elway's career. This time, though, Elway won’t mind seeing that No. 58 drop the quarterback.
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Garrett W. Ellwood/Getty ImagesVon Miller was drafted to revitalize a defense that ranked last in the NFL in 2010.
Garrett W. Ellwood/Getty ImagesVon Miller was drafted to revitalize a defense that ranked last in the NFL in 2010.The Broncos zeroed in on several defensive players, including Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus, LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson and Auburn’s Nick Fairley. But in the team’s meetings, everything pointed to drafting Miller.
Denver concluded that Miller was the most sure of all the prospects. He starred on the field at Texas A&M. He had strong character. He stole the show during the Senior Bowl week. He blew away scouts at the combine with his size, speed and power. Elway told people his explosiveness was off the charts. And the Broncos marveled that someone could run like a cornerback while being built like a prototypical pass-rusher.
On the eve of the regular season, the Broncos are not regretting the pick. Big things are expected from Miller, including by ESPN’s panel of experts.
During training camp, I asked Fox about Miller’s development. He gave the typical coach party line that Miller was a work in progress. Then, I asked whether Miller’s ability was as advertised. Fox didn’t hesitate. “Oh yeah, he’s going to be a player,” Fox said.
Miller dominated the preseason. He had three sacks in limited action. He knocked down Seattle quarterback Tarvaris Jackson four times in the third preseason game. Denver believes the pass-rush combination of defensive end Elvis Dumervil (who led the NFL with 17 sacks in 2009 before missing all of last season with a pectoral injury) and Miller will immediately improve the defense.
If the Broncos have any chance of beating the Raiders -- who won 59-14 in Denver last season -- Dumervil and Miller have to knock Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell onto the Mile High ground a few times.
Miller knows what is expected of him in Denver. He is not shying away from the task of changing the defensive atmosphere in Denver.
“I’ve been ready since a few weeks ago,” Miller said earlier this week. “Every week is game week for me, but these are the ones that are really going to count and you can definitely feel it in practice. It’s a little more tense.”
Miller, known for being a team-oriented player in College Station, has impressed the Broncos by acting like an undrafted free agent. He studies the playbook diligently and doesn’t act like he's already arrived. He is bent on fixing mistakes.
“Every week I have to take a step to get better and that is what I have been trying to do,” Miller said. “I feel as if there is still a lot of room to improve. I need to improve my practice habits. I could run a little bit better in the games and get my assignments down. I can get my assignments down; you can’t have a guy out there who is inconsistent. That is one of the things I’m working on now, getting my plays down and being there for my team in crunch time.”
Crunch time begins Monday night, as does a new defensive era in Denver.
“I like him a lot,” future Hall of Fame cornerback Champ Bailey said. “You can see every day why he was the No. 2 pick. I’m glad he’s the guy we took.”
Report: Denver mulled Haynesworth trade
July, 30, 2011
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Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
The NFL Network’s Mike Lombardi dropped an interesting nugget via Twitter on Saturday.
He reported that the Washington Redskins (and Mike Shanahan) almost traded defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to the Denver Broncos before dealing him to the New England Patriots.
It makes sense because Denver’s greatest need is at defensive tackle. Lombardi didn’t expand upon why the Redskins sent Haynesworth to New England rather than Denver. It could have been money issues for Denver.
I’m sure Haynesworth is pleased with the way it worked out. He will likely give it his all in New England because it is a winning program. He likely would have had difficulty getting motivated going to a rebuilding team, so Denver might have saved itself some headaches.
Haynesworth is the second big fish Denver almost traded for at the position this offseason. The Broncos considered trading up for a falling Nick Fairley during the draft, but it would have basically cost the Broncos their entire remaining draft selections, meaning the Broncos (who think they got five starters in the draft) would have only gotten linebacker Von Miller and Fairley in the draft.
The Broncos are talking to lower-level defensive tackles in free agency and will likely sign a couple. Jeremy Jarmon, acquired from the Redskins for receiver Jabar Gaffney, will also be in the mix.
He reported that the Washington Redskins (and Mike Shanahan) almost traded defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to the Denver Broncos before dealing him to the New England Patriots.
It makes sense because Denver’s greatest need is at defensive tackle. Lombardi didn’t expand upon why the Redskins sent Haynesworth to New England rather than Denver. It could have been money issues for Denver.
I’m sure Haynesworth is pleased with the way it worked out. He will likely give it his all in New England because it is a winning program. He likely would have had difficulty getting motivated going to a rebuilding team, so Denver might have saved itself some headaches.
Haynesworth is the second big fish Denver almost traded for at the position this offseason. The Broncos considered trading up for a falling Nick Fairley during the draft, but it would have basically cost the Broncos their entire remaining draft selections, meaning the Broncos (who think they got five starters in the draft) would have only gotten linebacker Von Miller and Fairley in the draft.
The Broncos are talking to lower-level defensive tackles in free agency and will likely sign a couple. Jeremy Jarmon, acquired from the Redskins for receiver Jabar Gaffney, will also be in the mix.
Chat wrap: Will Bush stay in Oakland?
May, 11, 2011
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Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
Let’s take a look at our AFC West chat, which was held Wednesday:
Denver
Scott from Northglenn, Colo.: Do you think the Broncos should have found a way to trade up for Nick Fairley, or did they do the right thing with their draft moves?
Bill Williamson: They'd have Von Miller and Fairley and not much else. This is a team with major holes. Denver thinks it got five starters in the draft. Of course, these players don't have the ceiling that Fairley does, but a team much closer to the playoffs would make a trade like that, not one with so many issues.
Kansas City
Jon from Eagle, Colo.: Great blog, Bill. I read every day and love to see something about my Chiefs daily. Question: With Thomas Jones aging can we expect to see a heavier load for Jamaal Charles? If so, do you think that's dangerous territory considering Jamaal's build and what seems to be a lack of depth at the position? Thanks!
BW: Thanks, Jon ... I think that is going to be a key question for the Chiefs. Jones' production did slip at the end of last season. Charles is a weapon and he needs more carries, but there are durability concerns, so the Chiefs will have to be careful. The drafting of receiver Jon Baldwin in the first round should help. It will make the passing game more dangerous and give the offense more overall options.
Oakland
Mike from Kennewick, Wash.: Do u think Michael Bush will be on the raiders roster next season?
BW: Well, it depends on what is the deal with free agency. But I think the odds are fairly good he remains in Oakland. I tell you this, if he gets free, I could see Denver showing interest. The Broncos could use a bruiser like Bush, as would several teams.
San Diego
Knowledge from Fla.: What would SD have to give up to get Steve Smith?
BW: Probably a mid-round pick, likely a conditional choice based on his 2011 stats.
Thanks to everyone who participated.
Denver
Scott from Northglenn, Colo.: Do you think the Broncos should have found a way to trade up for Nick Fairley, or did they do the right thing with their draft moves?
Bill Williamson: They'd have Von Miller and Fairley and not much else. This is a team with major holes. Denver thinks it got five starters in the draft. Of course, these players don't have the ceiling that Fairley does, but a team much closer to the playoffs would make a trade like that, not one with so many issues.
Kansas City
Jon from Eagle, Colo.: Great blog, Bill. I read every day and love to see something about my Chiefs daily. Question: With Thomas Jones aging can we expect to see a heavier load for Jamaal Charles? If so, do you think that's dangerous territory considering Jamaal's build and what seems to be a lack of depth at the position? Thanks!
BW: Thanks, Jon ... I think that is going to be a key question for the Chiefs. Jones' production did slip at the end of last season. Charles is a weapon and he needs more carries, but there are durability concerns, so the Chiefs will have to be careful. The drafting of receiver Jon Baldwin in the first round should help. It will make the passing game more dangerous and give the offense more overall options.
Oakland
Mike from Kennewick, Wash.: Do u think Michael Bush will be on the raiders roster next season?
BW: Well, it depends on what is the deal with free agency. But I think the odds are fairly good he remains in Oakland. I tell you this, if he gets free, I could see Denver showing interest. The Broncos could use a bruiser like Bush, as would several teams.
San Diego
Knowledge from Fla.: What would SD have to give up to get Steve Smith?
BW: Probably a mid-round pick, likely a conditional choice based on his 2011 stats.
Thanks to everyone who participated.
Report: Denver eyed trading for Fairley
April, 30, 2011
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Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
The Denver Post has an interesting nugget. It is reporting that the Denver Broncos considered trading up into the first 12 picks of the draft to select a falling Nick Fairley. The Auburn defensive tackle went to Detroit at No. 13. He was one of the players Denver considered at No. 2 prior to taking Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller.
A Miller-Fairley tandem would have been a spectacular first-round haul. Ultimately, though, Denver felt that the price to go grab Fairley was too steep. The Denver Post said Denver felt it would have had to give up the No. 36, No. 46 and No. 67 picks to move to get Fairley. The price tag could have been even steeper.
Instead, the Broncos -- who have many needs -- opted to keep their picks and grab several players. Instead of taking Fairley, the Broncos traded down from No. 36 to get back into the fourth and fifth round. They got five draft picks instead of Fairley.
Denver took UCLA safety Rahim Moore, Miami right tackle Orlando Franklin and NC State middle linebacker Nate Irving on Friday. All are projected as starters. Denver wanted four starters from this draft and they got it.
Getting Fairley would have been exciting, but that type of move would have been best suited for a team on the brink of the playoffs. Denver is starting to rebuild. So, the bigger draft class could be a better long-term move.
A Miller-Fairley tandem would have been a spectacular first-round haul. Ultimately, though, Denver felt that the price to go grab Fairley was too steep. The Denver Post said Denver felt it would have had to give up the No. 36, No. 46 and No. 67 picks to move to get Fairley. The price tag could have been even steeper.
Instead, the Broncos -- who have many needs -- opted to keep their picks and grab several players. Instead of taking Fairley, the Broncos traded down from No. 36 to get back into the fourth and fifth round. They got five draft picks instead of Fairley.
Denver took UCLA safety Rahim Moore, Miami right tackle Orlando Franklin and NC State middle linebacker Nate Irving on Friday. All are projected as starters. Denver wanted four starters from this draft and they got it.
Getting Fairley would have been exciting, but that type of move would have been best suited for a team on the brink of the playoffs. Denver is starting to rebuild. So, the bigger draft class could be a better long-term move.
Let’s look at who the readers believe each AFC West team should take with their first pick. We took polls for each team Tuesday.
Denver, No. 2
There’s no doubt, Denver fans want the team to take Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus in a landslide over Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson and Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller. I think Dareus will be the call, but Denver has also been considering the other three players.
San Diego, No. 18
In a battle of four pass-rushers, fans slightly want Wisconsin’s J.J. Watt over Cal’s Cam Jordan, Missouri’s Aldon Smith and Purdue’s Ryan Kerrigan. This is how real-life may go, too. Teams picking above the Chargers may covet Watt and Jordan, too.
Kansas City, No. 21
UCLA pass-rusher Akeem Ayers was a fairly easy winner over Temple defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson and offensive tackles Gabe Carimi and Anthony Castonzo. I’m a bit surprised by this result because Ayers may be the last of these four players off the board. Still, he does fit in Kansas City.
Oakland, No. 58
In a runaway, Oakland fans want the Raiders to take Penn State guard/center Stefen Wisniewski over cornerbacks Ras-I Dowling, Brandon Harris and quarterback Colin Kaepernick. I think Wisniewski was the easy choice for a couple of reasons. The offensive line needs an upgrade and Wisniewski is already part of the Raider family. His uncle, Steve Wisniewski, was a star offensive lineman for the Raiders and is now the team’s assistant offensive line coach.
Denver, No. 2
There’s no doubt, Denver fans want the team to take Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus in a landslide over Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson and Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller. I think Dareus will be the call, but Denver has also been considering the other three players.
San Diego, No. 18
In a battle of four pass-rushers, fans slightly want Wisconsin’s J.J. Watt over Cal’s Cam Jordan, Missouri’s Aldon Smith and Purdue’s Ryan Kerrigan. This is how real-life may go, too. Teams picking above the Chargers may covet Watt and Jordan, too.
Kansas City, No. 21
UCLA pass-rusher Akeem Ayers was a fairly easy winner over Temple defensive lineman Muhammad Wilkerson and offensive tackles Gabe Carimi and Anthony Castonzo. I’m a bit surprised by this result because Ayers may be the last of these four players off the board. Still, he does fit in Kansas City.
Oakland, No. 58
In a runaway, Oakland fans want the Raiders to take Penn State guard/center Stefen Wisniewski over cornerbacks Ras-I Dowling, Brandon Harris and quarterback Colin Kaepernick. I think Wisniewski was the easy choice for a couple of reasons. The offensive line needs an upgrade and Wisniewski is already part of the Raider family. His uncle, Steve Wisniewski, was a star offensive lineman for the Raiders and is now the team’s assistant offensive line coach.
Here are your options for the Denver Broncos with the No. 2 pick.
Please give your reason why you are making the pick in the comment section below.
Please give your reason why you are making the pick in the comment section below.
There has been speculation the draft stock of Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley is falling.
Earlier in the offseason, Fairley was considered a top-three prospect and a potential target of Denver at No. 2. But because of potential red flags of character, Fairley’s stock may have dipped. Many draft followers believe Fairley will not be a top-five pick. Fairley is tabbed for Tennessee at No. 8 in our bloggers’ mock draft.
However, in an ESPN.com Insider piece, KC Joyner believes Fairley should be a top pick. Joyner has evidence that suggests Fairley doesn’t take plays off. Joyner compares him to Detroit stud defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, who was the No. 2 overall choice last year.
I think Denver may be leaning toward taking Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus at No. 2. But there is a chance it could pick Fairley. He was incredibly productive and dominant last year and Denver may be intrigued by Fairley.
Joyner clearly thinks that’s a good idea.
What do you think? Would you take Fairley over Dareus? Fill up the comment section below with your thoughts.
Earlier in the offseason, Fairley was considered a top-three prospect and a potential target of Denver at No. 2. But because of potential red flags of character, Fairley’s stock may have dipped. Many draft followers believe Fairley will not be a top-five pick. Fairley is tabbed for Tennessee at No. 8 in our bloggers’ mock draft.
However, in an ESPN.com Insider piece, KC Joyner believes Fairley should be a top pick. Joyner has evidence that suggests Fairley doesn’t take plays off. Joyner compares him to Detroit stud defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, who was the No. 2 overall choice last year.
I think Denver may be leaning toward taking Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus at No. 2. But there is a chance it could pick Fairley. He was incredibly productive and dominant last year and Denver may be intrigued by Fairley.
Joyner clearly thinks that’s a good idea.
What do you think? Would you take Fairley over Dareus? Fill up the comment section below with your thoughts.
Our blogger mock draft fell very favorably for the three AFC West teams with a first-round pick.
Each blogger made the pick for teams in the division they cover. I didn’t have to do a lot of deliberating. Top choices were available at all three spots. Let’s take a look:
No. 2, Denver
Marcell Dareus, Alabama, defensive tackle
Why: Denver could take Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller or Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, but the Broncos should take the sure thing in Dareus.
No. 18, San Diego
Cam Jordan, DE, California
Why: Our mock has a big run in the middle of the round on pass-rushers. San Diego would be thrilled if Jordan fell to No. 18. He’d fill a need and is a good value here.
No. 21, Kansas City
Muhammad Wilkerson, DL, Temple
Why: I thought Tampa Bay could get Wilkerson and I would have then given the Chiefs Wisconsin tackle Gabe Carimi. But I think Wilkerson is a better immediate fit. This is a good value pick.
Oakland doesn’t have a first-round pick. It traded its choice to New England for defensive lineman Richard Seymour in Sept. 2009.
Each blogger made the pick for teams in the division they cover. I didn’t have to do a lot of deliberating. Top choices were available at all three spots. Let’s take a look:
No. 2, Denver
Marcell Dareus, Alabama, defensive tackle
Why: Denver could take Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller or Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, but the Broncos should take the sure thing in Dareus.
No. 18, San Diego
Cam Jordan, DE, California
Why: Our mock has a big run in the middle of the round on pass-rushers. San Diego would be thrilled if Jordan fell to No. 18. He’d fill a need and is a good value here.
No. 21, Kansas City
Muhammad Wilkerson, DL, Temple
Why: I thought Tampa Bay could get Wilkerson and I would have then given the Chiefs Wisconsin tackle Gabe Carimi. But I think Wilkerson is a better immediate fit. This is a good value pick.
Oakland doesn’t have a first-round pick. It traded its choice to New England for defensive lineman Richard Seymour in Sept. 2009.
Chat wrap: Could Fairley be the No. 2 pick?
April, 21, 2011
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Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
Here is a sample of our AFC West chat, which was held earlier Thursday. Thanks to everyone who participated:
Denver
Chad from CA.: If Dareus goes off the board at 1, wouldn't it be logical for the Broncos to snag Peterson? He's basically a clone of Champ Bailey when he was drafted in '99. Two shut down corners, then go with a DT with their second selection??
Bill Williamson: I think a trade, Fairley or Miller would be the call. Honestly, while I think Dareus is the guy, they could make a surprise pick and take Fairley over Dareus. It's not out of the question.
Kansas City
Kasey from Bismarck, ND: Do you think the chiefs could move up to take Julio Jones?
BW: It would likely take a jump up to No. 10. It would cost a lot. Jones would fit but I'm not sure Scott Pioli would do it.
Oakland
Tony from Richmond, CA.: Will Al cut ties with DHB this year? Or will he hold on similar to JaMarcus Russell hoping for a ROI?
BW: I think DHB has at least two more years. Unlike Russell, he doesn't have work-ethic issues. He has just not developed as a player yet.
San Diego
Austin from Alta Loma, CA.: Bill, don’t you think the chargers should pick a top offensive tackle in the first round? I believe this would be there best bet, if they got a really good run blocker and got that running game going better they could run a possession game and not have to rely on their defense so much which is in transition with a new coordinator and all....
BW: I think Chargers' greatest need is a pass-rusher. I think that area should be addressed first.
Denver
Chad from CA.: If Dareus goes off the board at 1, wouldn't it be logical for the Broncos to snag Peterson? He's basically a clone of Champ Bailey when he was drafted in '99. Two shut down corners, then go with a DT with their second selection??
Bill Williamson: I think a trade, Fairley or Miller would be the call. Honestly, while I think Dareus is the guy, they could make a surprise pick and take Fairley over Dareus. It's not out of the question.
Kansas City
Kasey from Bismarck, ND: Do you think the chiefs could move up to take Julio Jones?
BW: It would likely take a jump up to No. 10. It would cost a lot. Jones would fit but I'm not sure Scott Pioli would do it.
Oakland
Tony from Richmond, CA.: Will Al cut ties with DHB this year? Or will he hold on similar to JaMarcus Russell hoping for a ROI?
BW: I think DHB has at least two more years. Unlike Russell, he doesn't have work-ethic issues. He has just not developed as a player yet.
San Diego
Austin from Alta Loma, CA.: Bill, don’t you think the chargers should pick a top offensive tackle in the first round? I believe this would be there best bet, if they got a really good run blocker and got that running game going better they could run a possession game and not have to rely on their defense so much which is in transition with a new coordinator and all....
BW: I think Chargers' greatest need is a pass-rusher. I think that area should be addressed first.
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Each Thursday leading up to the NFL draft (April 28-30), the ESPN.com NFL blog network will take a division-by-division look at key aspects of the draft. Today's topic: Dream scenario/Plan B.
Denver Broncos
Dream scenario: The Broncos’ dream scenario begins with the Carolina Panthers taking a quarterback with the No. 1 pick. That would mean the entire defensive draft board is available. The Broncos' primary needs are on defense. Denver would likely choose between Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus, Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller and LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson. The general consensus is Denver will most likely take Dareus.
Plan B: If Carolina takes Dareus, Denver could take Miller or Peterson or trade down to the No. 5-8 range and compile other high-round picks. I could see Miller and Peterson being available at No. 5. If Denver goes down to No. 8, it could look at Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, North Carolina defensive end Robert Quinn or Clemson defensive end Da'Quan Bowers.
Kansas City Chiefs
Dream scenario: The Chiefs are in a great position. They pick No. 21 and need pass-rushers and an offense tackle. Several of those prospects should be available at No. 21. But if the Chiefs had a dream, I’d think it would be to see Alabama receiver Julio Jones tumble to them. But that is a pipedream. He likely won’t fall past St. Louis at No. 14. I think the Chiefs would like to see a pass-rusher like Missouri’s Aldon Smith, Cal’s Cameron Jordan, Purdue’s’ Ryan Kerrigan or Temple’s Muhammad Wilkerson available at No. 21. If not, the Chiefs could go for a pass-rusher like UCLA’s Akeem Ayers or Georgia’s Justin Houston.
Plan B: If all the pass-rushers are gone, that’d probably mean some tackles would fall. Among those players who could interest the Chiefs are Boston College’s Anthony Castonzo, Wisconsin’s Gabe Carimi or Colorado’s Nate Solder. Kansas City will have options and it could prompt it to trade down a few spots to gain another quality pick and grab a player high on its list.
Oakland Raiders
Dream scenario: The Raiders are the only team currently without a first-round pick. Their first pick is at No. 48. Oakland’s dream scenario would to see a first-round talent slide to them without having to trade up. If a quarterback such as Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett or Washington’s Jake Locker is there, Oakland could easily grab them. The Raiders like veteran Jason Campbell, but getting an eventual replacement at the bargain price of No. 48 is worth it. Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith would also be a dream scenario for Oakland if he was available at No. 48. The team may lose Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency. Smith is considered a top-15 talent; he may fall because of character issues. He’d be a steal at No. 48.
Plan B: If these players don’t fall, Oakland will likely look at offensive linemen (its biggest need), cornerbacks and quarterbacks in the second round. If the Raiders could get a player like Penn State guard Stefen Wisniewski and Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick on the second day of the draft, they would be thrilled.
San Diego Chargers
Dream scenario: The Chargers are in an even better position than the Chiefs. San Diego, which has the No. 18 pick, could use a pass-rusher or an offensive lineman. Plenty should be available when they choose. Plus, San Diego has extra picks in both the second and third rounds. The Chargers can do basically whatever they want to do. Thus, the Chargers can make up their own dream scenario. If they want to move up to No. 5 and take Miller, they probably can. If they want to move up to No. 11-12 and take Wisconsin defensive end J.J. Watt or Jones to help at receiver, they can.
Plan B: If they stay put, the Chargers can wait for players like Jordan, Smith or Kerrigan at No. 18. They could also move down to take a pass-rusher like Houston or Ayers or an offensive lineman in the No. 20-25 range. The Chargers are truly in charge of their own draft destiny.
Each Thursday leading up to the NFL draft (April 28-30), the ESPN.com NFL blog network will take a division-by-division look at key aspects of the draft. Today's topic: Dream scenario/Plan B.
Denver Broncos
Dream scenario: The Broncos’ dream scenario begins with the Carolina Panthers taking a quarterback with the No. 1 pick. That would mean the entire defensive draft board is available. The Broncos' primary needs are on defense. Denver would likely choose between Alabama defensive tackle Marcell Dareus, Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller and LSU cornerback Patrick Peterson. The general consensus is Denver will most likely take Dareus.
Plan B: If Carolina takes Dareus, Denver could take Miller or Peterson or trade down to the No. 5-8 range and compile other high-round picks. I could see Miller and Peterson being available at No. 5. If Denver goes down to No. 8, it could look at Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley, North Carolina defensive end Robert Quinn or Clemson defensive end Da'Quan Bowers.
Kansas City Chiefs
Dream scenario: The Chiefs are in a great position. They pick No. 21 and need pass-rushers and an offense tackle. Several of those prospects should be available at No. 21. But if the Chiefs had a dream, I’d think it would be to see Alabama receiver Julio Jones tumble to them. But that is a pipedream. He likely won’t fall past St. Louis at No. 14. I think the Chiefs would like to see a pass-rusher like Missouri’s Aldon Smith, Cal’s Cameron Jordan, Purdue’s’ Ryan Kerrigan or Temple’s Muhammad Wilkerson available at No. 21. If not, the Chiefs could go for a pass-rusher like UCLA’s Akeem Ayers or Georgia’s Justin Houston.
Plan B: If all the pass-rushers are gone, that’d probably mean some tackles would fall. Among those players who could interest the Chiefs are Boston College’s Anthony Castonzo, Wisconsin’s Gabe Carimi or Colorado’s Nate Solder. Kansas City will have options and it could prompt it to trade down a few spots to gain another quality pick and grab a player high on its list.
Oakland Raiders
Dream scenario: The Raiders are the only team currently without a first-round pick. Their first pick is at No. 48. Oakland’s dream scenario would to see a first-round talent slide to them without having to trade up. If a quarterback such as Arkansas’ Ryan Mallett or Washington’s Jake Locker is there, Oakland could easily grab them. The Raiders like veteran Jason Campbell, but getting an eventual replacement at the bargain price of No. 48 is worth it. Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith would also be a dream scenario for Oakland if he was available at No. 48. The team may lose Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency. Smith is considered a top-15 talent; he may fall because of character issues. He’d be a steal at No. 48.
Plan B: If these players don’t fall, Oakland will likely look at offensive linemen (its biggest need), cornerbacks and quarterbacks in the second round. If the Raiders could get a player like Penn State guard Stefen Wisniewski and Nevada quarterback Colin Kaepernick on the second day of the draft, they would be thrilled.
San Diego Chargers
Dream scenario: The Chargers are in an even better position than the Chiefs. San Diego, which has the No. 18 pick, could use a pass-rusher or an offensive lineman. Plenty should be available when they choose. Plus, San Diego has extra picks in both the second and third rounds. The Chargers can do basically whatever they want to do. Thus, the Chargers can make up their own dream scenario. If they want to move up to No. 5 and take Miller, they probably can. If they want to move up to No. 11-12 and take Wisconsin defensive end J.J. Watt or Jones to help at receiver, they can.
Plan B: If they stay put, the Chargers can wait for players like Jordan, Smith or Kerrigan at No. 18. They could also move down to take a pass-rusher like Houston or Ayers or an offensive lineman in the No. 20-25 range. The Chargers are truly in charge of their own draft destiny.
ESPN analyst Jon Gruden conducted a lively conference call with media members Tuesday to address the upcoming draft.
Several of the topics Gruden broached involve the AFC West and this draft. Among the topics he addressed were the quarterbacks in the draft (each team in the division could take a quarterback), the top pass-rushers available and the defensive tackles Denver may choose from at No. 2.
Let’s take a look:
Was there one guy you sat down going into the QB camp that you came away really impressed by or you may not have thought as much of until you sat down with him and broke down the film with him?
GRUDEN: You know these five guys that we had in, three of them are juniors: (Cam) Newton, (Blaine) Gabbert and (Ryan) Mallett. They're all underclassmen. Cam Newton with 14 career starts, the thing that impressed me, not only his physical attributes and his size, but his charisma. I think his eagerness to learn and prove that he can adapt to a pro style on offense. He showed very good retention to me in the meetings and the material that we covered. I just like the look in his eyes, the eagerness and feeling that he has a lot to prove to everybody including himself. I think Newton impressed me the most in that regard.
When you look at Andy Dalton, you see him evolving into what long term? Is he best for a West Coast offense, or could you see him becoming a starter in any style of offense?
GRUDEN: I think Andy Dalton can play in any offense. I think when you become a pro quarterback and play in the National Football League, as the hash marks change, the field becomes more available. When you're on a college hash mark and you're throwing the ball to the wide side of the field, that's almost an impossible task for anyone. So I think putting the ball in the middle of the field favors Andy Dalton. I've seen him be an accurate passer down the field. I've seen him manage a high volume offense with great success at TCU. He's got four years of production. And if you look at Texas Christian football, who would have thought they'd be 13-0 and Rose Bowl champions? I really think Andy Dalton can fit any offense. But the more you put on him above the neck mentally to make decisions and play the game with his heady nature, I think the better Andy Dalton's going to be. He's an outstanding, well versed quarterback that I think will fit a lot of schemes.
Wanted your take on Colin Kaepernick of Nevada, and whether it's harder to project him because he's playing in the pistol and against WAC competition?
GRUDEN: Well, the pistol does make it tough, but you can't deny production. No one's thrown for 10,000 yards and rushed for over 4,000. I wanted to see Randall Cunningham when I picked up the film. This guy's got a fastball and he can really throw it. He's a Chicago Cub draft selection. I mean, he threw the football 60 miles an hour in Indianapolis. But the pistol offense is hard to really define what kind of pure passer he is. I watched him in the Senior Bowl, the workouts. I think he showed some improvement going underneath the center. But I do think you're getting a double threat. You're getting a guy that has a contagious, charismatic personality -- a guy that really wants to compete. You're getting an exciting prospect. Might take him some time, but you're getting a guy that can run and pass, just needs some development and needs to make the transition to the next level.
Talk a little bit about premium placed on pass-rushers and cornerbacks. Every year it seems more and more, and how does that match up with the strength of this particular draft?
GRUDEN: There is a premium on pass rush. You don't want to have to blitz five, six, seven guys to get there. You want to be able to get there with four, if you can for sure, and use seven men in coverage. Play two deep, five under, three deep, four under. Mix your coverages up. Don't telegraph to these quarterbacks what you're playing, but you have to put pressure on these quarterbacks. Defensive ends are a premium in this draft. I think this is an outstanding class of defensive end. There are some good defensive tackles. But Bowers, providing his knee is healthy, and Robert Quinn at North Carolina, Aldon Smith is special at Missouri. I think J.J. Watt is a physical guy coming off the edge, like Ryan Kerrigan at Purdue. Adrian Clayborn has some excellent tape. There are a number of good pass rushers in this draft. I think if you look at Nick Fairley, you're seeing one of the best inside pass rushers from a tackle position. So this is the strength of the draft. You throw in guys like Von Miller, who is a Derrick Thomas size speed guy coming off the corner. There are some guys that can provide pressure quickly, and I think that is the strength of this draft.
Cam Newton is visiting the Broncos today, and of course they have Tim Tebow. You had them both in your camp in the last two years. Is it true that Cam is superior with the throwing mechanics and a better athlete because he's faster, but Tebow is far better in the intangibles? That's what I'm getting as everyone talks about these guys.
GRUDEN: Well, Tebow's body of work was much more extensive than Cam's. Cam Newton has come from nowhere. I was watching film with Cam Newton. I showed Cam Newton throwing a pass for the Florida Gators against the Hawaii Rainbows two years ago. Cam Newton has exploded on to the scene out of nowhere and threw in 14 games. Whereas, Tebow was a Heisman Trophy winner [as a sophomore], came back for his senior year, and part of two national championship teams. They're different guys. One's a left handed guy with different mechanics. And Newton is a work in progress in his own right. But they are similar from the standpoint that they both physically dominated college football. I think there are some interesting intangibles with Newton also. You're getting a guy that you can build a very unique offense around. I hear the elevator music. I don't know what is reality. I just got to spend a day and a half with Cam. I was impressed with him. I know people that have had him in for individual meetings. They like his retention. They like his attention to detail. There are some similarities in that they're physical status type guys. I'd like to have either one of them.
On D tackle, Marcell Dareus seems to be rated higher than Nick Fairley coming into this draft, and Fairley's getting this criticism on work ethic and technique. But production wise, Fairley about doubled Dareus this past year. Your thoughts on those two guys?
GRUDEN: Well, Dareus, if you watch Darius play two years ago, his film is even better than it was this year. He got hurt in the Arkansas game. That ankle lingered throughout the season. He missed the opening game because of a rules violation. But I think Dareus is a different player than Fairley. Dareus is a three position player in a 3-4 front. He can play nose, either defensive end. He is legitimate, sheer power. This is a power player. He is rare. You've seen the physical nature this guy's put together with a rare combination of explosive physical play, and a guy that's well versed under Nick Saban. Fairley is an under tackle. He's the guy that reminds me of Kevin Williams of the Minnesota Vikings. He's a one gap penetrator and a premier pass rusher in his draft, if you ask me. A lot of the sacks and hits he put on quarterback were not by accident. He, again, has one year of production, really. I think he's on the rise. I think he's getting better. I think Coach Rocker at Auburn did an excellent job with Fairley developing him.
Christian Ponder at Florida State, have you gotten to spend much time with him? Have you broken down his film? What do you think of him as a quarterback and as a person?
GRUDEN: I have not had a chance to individually work Christian Ponder out. I have had a chance to study his tape. Here's a guy that is a three-year starter. He's won 22 games at Florida State, Senior Bowl MVP. He's already graduated. There are a lot of upsides here. He's had some injuries, which are the big concern. He's a great leader. Two-time team captain of the Seminoles. Two years ago he threw for almost 70 percent. I think the injuries got to him a little bit this year. But you see a couple tremendous throws in the Florida game. One, a red zone post where you see the anticipation, the accuracy, the toughness in the pocket. There are a lot of guys I know that that like this guy because he's got the aptitude to learn. He's got the leadership traits that you want, and he's got a lot of playing experience. And Jimbo Fisher does some good things on offense. But I think he's an accurate, intermediate passer. People want to see him push the ball maybe a little more down the field. Like to see a little more arm strength. But I think those things will develop and come to Ponder when he gets healthy and continues to physically get stronger. He's a very good collegian. He's got good enough size, good enough mobility, and he's won a lot of games and shown tremendous toughness for the Seminoles.
Several of the topics Gruden broached involve the AFC West and this draft. Among the topics he addressed were the quarterbacks in the draft (each team in the division could take a quarterback), the top pass-rushers available and the defensive tackles Denver may choose from at No. 2.
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GRUDEN: You know these five guys that we had in, three of them are juniors: (Cam) Newton, (Blaine) Gabbert and (Ryan) Mallett. They're all underclassmen. Cam Newton with 14 career starts, the thing that impressed me, not only his physical attributes and his size, but his charisma. I think his eagerness to learn and prove that he can adapt to a pro style on offense. He showed very good retention to me in the meetings and the material that we covered. I just like the look in his eyes, the eagerness and feeling that he has a lot to prove to everybody including himself. I think Newton impressed me the most in that regard.
When you look at Andy Dalton, you see him evolving into what long term? Is he best for a West Coast offense, or could you see him becoming a starter in any style of offense?
GRUDEN: I think Andy Dalton can play in any offense. I think when you become a pro quarterback and play in the National Football League, as the hash marks change, the field becomes more available. When you're on a college hash mark and you're throwing the ball to the wide side of the field, that's almost an impossible task for anyone. So I think putting the ball in the middle of the field favors Andy Dalton. I've seen him be an accurate passer down the field. I've seen him manage a high volume offense with great success at TCU. He's got four years of production. And if you look at Texas Christian football, who would have thought they'd be 13-0 and Rose Bowl champions? I really think Andy Dalton can fit any offense. But the more you put on him above the neck mentally to make decisions and play the game with his heady nature, I think the better Andy Dalton's going to be. He's an outstanding, well versed quarterback that I think will fit a lot of schemes.
Wanted your take on Colin Kaepernick of Nevada, and whether it's harder to project him because he's playing in the pistol and against WAC competition?
GRUDEN: Well, the pistol does make it tough, but you can't deny production. No one's thrown for 10,000 yards and rushed for over 4,000. I wanted to see Randall Cunningham when I picked up the film. This guy's got a fastball and he can really throw it. He's a Chicago Cub draft selection. I mean, he threw the football 60 miles an hour in Indianapolis. But the pistol offense is hard to really define what kind of pure passer he is. I watched him in the Senior Bowl, the workouts. I think he showed some improvement going underneath the center. But I do think you're getting a double threat. You're getting a guy that has a contagious, charismatic personality -- a guy that really wants to compete. You're getting an exciting prospect. Might take him some time, but you're getting a guy that can run and pass, just needs some development and needs to make the transition to the next level.
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Andy Lyons/Getty ImagesESPN analyst and former Bucs coach Jon Gruden was impressed with Cam Newton's retention skills.
Andy Lyons/Getty ImagesESPN analyst and former Bucs coach Jon Gruden was impressed with Cam Newton's retention skills.GRUDEN: There is a premium on pass rush. You don't want to have to blitz five, six, seven guys to get there. You want to be able to get there with four, if you can for sure, and use seven men in coverage. Play two deep, five under, three deep, four under. Mix your coverages up. Don't telegraph to these quarterbacks what you're playing, but you have to put pressure on these quarterbacks. Defensive ends are a premium in this draft. I think this is an outstanding class of defensive end. There are some good defensive tackles. But Bowers, providing his knee is healthy, and Robert Quinn at North Carolina, Aldon Smith is special at Missouri. I think J.J. Watt is a physical guy coming off the edge, like Ryan Kerrigan at Purdue. Adrian Clayborn has some excellent tape. There are a number of good pass rushers in this draft. I think if you look at Nick Fairley, you're seeing one of the best inside pass rushers from a tackle position. So this is the strength of the draft. You throw in guys like Von Miller, who is a Derrick Thomas size speed guy coming off the corner. There are some guys that can provide pressure quickly, and I think that is the strength of this draft.
Cam Newton is visiting the Broncos today, and of course they have Tim Tebow. You had them both in your camp in the last two years. Is it true that Cam is superior with the throwing mechanics and a better athlete because he's faster, but Tebow is far better in the intangibles? That's what I'm getting as everyone talks about these guys.
GRUDEN: Well, Tebow's body of work was much more extensive than Cam's. Cam Newton has come from nowhere. I was watching film with Cam Newton. I showed Cam Newton throwing a pass for the Florida Gators against the Hawaii Rainbows two years ago. Cam Newton has exploded on to the scene out of nowhere and threw in 14 games. Whereas, Tebow was a Heisman Trophy winner [as a sophomore], came back for his senior year, and part of two national championship teams. They're different guys. One's a left handed guy with different mechanics. And Newton is a work in progress in his own right. But they are similar from the standpoint that they both physically dominated college football. I think there are some interesting intangibles with Newton also. You're getting a guy that you can build a very unique offense around. I hear the elevator music. I don't know what is reality. I just got to spend a day and a half with Cam. I was impressed with him. I know people that have had him in for individual meetings. They like his retention. They like his attention to detail. There are some similarities in that they're physical status type guys. I'd like to have either one of them.
On D tackle, Marcell Dareus seems to be rated higher than Nick Fairley coming into this draft, and Fairley's getting this criticism on work ethic and technique. But production wise, Fairley about doubled Dareus this past year. Your thoughts on those two guys?
GRUDEN: Well, Dareus, if you watch Darius play two years ago, his film is even better than it was this year. He got hurt in the Arkansas game. That ankle lingered throughout the season. He missed the opening game because of a rules violation. But I think Dareus is a different player than Fairley. Dareus is a three position player in a 3-4 front. He can play nose, either defensive end. He is legitimate, sheer power. This is a power player. He is rare. You've seen the physical nature this guy's put together with a rare combination of explosive physical play, and a guy that's well versed under Nick Saban. Fairley is an under tackle. He's the guy that reminds me of Kevin Williams of the Minnesota Vikings. He's a one gap penetrator and a premier pass rusher in his draft, if you ask me. A lot of the sacks and hits he put on quarterback were not by accident. He, again, has one year of production, really. I think he's on the rise. I think he's getting better. I think Coach Rocker at Auburn did an excellent job with Fairley developing him.
Christian Ponder at Florida State, have you gotten to spend much time with him? Have you broken down his film? What do you think of him as a quarterback and as a person?
GRUDEN: I have not had a chance to individually work Christian Ponder out. I have had a chance to study his tape. Here's a guy that is a three-year starter. He's won 22 games at Florida State, Senior Bowl MVP. He's already graduated. There are a lot of upsides here. He's had some injuries, which are the big concern. He's a great leader. Two-time team captain of the Seminoles. Two years ago he threw for almost 70 percent. I think the injuries got to him a little bit this year. But you see a couple tremendous throws in the Florida game. One, a red zone post where you see the anticipation, the accuracy, the toughness in the pocket. There are a lot of guys I know that that like this guy because he's got the aptitude to learn. He's got the leadership traits that you want, and he's got a lot of playing experience. And Jimbo Fisher does some good things on offense. But I think he's an accurate, intermediate passer. People want to see him push the ball maybe a little more down the field. Like to see a little more arm strength. But I think those things will develop and come to Ponder when he gets healthy and continues to physically get stronger. He's a very good collegian. He's got good enough size, good enough mobility, and he's won a lot of games and shown tremendous toughness for the Seminoles.
Defensive linemen: Draft at your own risk
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AP Photos, Getty ImagesMarcell Dareus (left) and Nick Fairley are two of the top-ranked defensive tackles in the draft.San Diego Chargers general manager A.J. Smith says this is the strongest group available in the draft. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay said that he hasn’t seen such an impressive defensive line group at the combine and in workouts.
That’s why defensive tackles Marcell Dareus of Alabama and Nick Fairley of Auburn both could be top-five picks. Defensive ends Da'Quan Bowers of Clemson and Robert Quinn of North Carolina may not be far behind Dareus and Fairley. The Denver Broncos are studying defensive linemen closely and may take Dareus at No. 2.
Even though the talent is high at this position, Denver -- and every other team picking in the top five -- must beware. Taking a defensive lineman with a top-five pick is a major gamble.
Over the past 20 years, 24 defensive linemen have been taken with top-five picks -- with extremely mixed results. For every Julius Peppers (drafted No. 2 in 2002) and Ndamukong Suh (drafted No. 2 in 2010), there are busts like Dewayne Robertson (No. 4, 2003), Courtney Brown (No. 1, 2000) and Steve Emtman (No. 1, 1992).
Even though he likes this group of defensive linemen, McShay acknowledged earlier in the offseason that the bust rate for defensive linemen is “shockingly high.” Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. said he thinks defensive line and wide receiver are “neck-and-neck” as the riskiest positions in the first round behind quarterback, which is in a different league when it comes to draft uncertainty.
Williamson thinks one of the reasons many top defensive linemen fail is a sense of entitlement. He said top defensive linemen are rare because of their combination of size, speed and ability. They are pampered from an early age and may not work as hard as other, less-coveted players.
“I think it comes down to them just being very special people/athletes,” Williamson said. “If you notice, a high percentage of the stud DT talent comes from huge colleges. For example: When I was at Pitt, we just couldn't get great DT recruits. There are just so few people in the world with their size that can move like stud DTs need to. They are very coveted and go to massive programs. Even at the college level, they are freakish enough that they often don't have to work extremely hard to be great. When they get to the NFL, that all changes ... and they often don't adapt in terms of professionalism and work ethic.”
Williamson said he believes Dareus will buck the trend and have a strong NFL career and be worthy of a top-five pick. However, he said he has concerns about Bowers and Fairley because they were “one-year wonders [who] would disappear at times.”
Studying the history of failure at the position and trying to figure out if this year’s prospects can succeed in the NFL has been one of the Broncos’ toughest tasks. Vice president of football operations John Elway has acknowledged the risk involved in studying defensive linemen.
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“It’s so hard to be able to find guys with that size that have athletic ability,” Elway said. "Whether they’re raw coming out of college or they’re polished coming out of college, people see that athletic ability with the size and the speed. You just can’t find that, it’s very difficult to find those type of athletes that are that big later in the draft. That’s why I think you see so many of those guys with the speed and the size do not go very deep in the draft.”
Perhaps last year signaled a change in the trend. Detroit took Suh at No. 2 and Tampa Bay took Gerald McCoy at No. 3. Suh was brilliant and McCoy was impressive before he was injured. Denver would love to get a player of Suh’s or McCoy’s caliber in the form of Dareus.
The decade before 2010 didn’t produce anyone great other than Peppers, although Mario Williams, who was taken No. 1 in 2006, has become a good player.
The Chiefs took defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey at No. 5 in 2008 and defensive end Tyson Jackson No. 3 in 2009. Dorsey came on strong last season and was a big part of an improved defense after a slow first two seasons. Jackson has shown some flashes, but he has yet to show he was worthy of a top-five pick. Like Dorsey, St. Louis defensive end Chris Long, taken at No. 2 in 2008, began to make strides in 2010.
Denver can’t afford to wait on production if it takes a defensive lineman with the No. 2 pick. The Broncos were last in the NFL in total defense and points allowed in 2010. Elway has said numerous times that the Broncos have to get this pick right. In a perfect world, the Broncos would take a defensive lineman and begin their resurrection. History, though, shows it’s not that simple.
There are many different thoughts by Denver fans when it comes to what to do with the No. 2 pick. Let’s look at some of your responses to our sound-off question:
Chris A. from Littleton, Colo.: Hey Bill, the Broncos' top pick should not be traded. The truly special talent in this draft is Patrick Peterson and that's where the Broncos should start, but if the Panthers have already taken him, Marcell Dareus should be the pick. At least one of the Broncos' two second round picks should be spent on a defensive tackle (maybe Stephen Paea or Marvin Austin) and the other should be Mikel Leshoure, so that coach Fox has a big, strong running back to take handoffs from Tebow.
Tag from Logan, Utah: I would like to see them stand pat and not trade down unless they got incredible value for doing so. They need a standout on the D-line. Of course, Dareus would be a great choice here. My fear is that Carolina will go defense and then the Broncos will choose Gabbert or Newton figuring that they can go defense later with the other 3 picks in the top 67. Be smart Denver - go defense, defense, defense, defense.
Nate from Portland: Denver should use the second pick to choose a top DT, either Dareus, who seems like the more sure bet, or Fairley, who some have concerns about but who blew me away every time I saw him play. Then I think they should grab another DT with their 2nd round choice. Stephen Paea would be great, if available. This isn't a one-year rebuilding job and if the Broncos can get a top DT tandem for the next decade by playing to the strength of this draft then I think they should (since they REALLY need a top DT, this could also be seen as a great hedge).
Ernest Shay from Tsaile, Ariz.: I think the Broncos should try and trade their pick by moving back within two to three spots, but make sure the other teams are interested in a quarterback … then draft a defensive tackle (Fairley or Dareus), Patrick Peterson, or Von Miller. Whichever player is available ... we will definitely use one of those guys and lets go for defense. If not, don’t trade and get Dareus.
I think Denver should hope Alabama defensive tackle Dareus is available at No. 2 since he fills a major need and is a top prospect. If Dareus is the first pick of the draft, perhaps Denver should look to trade down to the No. 5-8 range to compile more picks and then hope a player like LSU cornerback Peterson, Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley or Texas A&M linebacker Miller is still available.
If Dareus is gone at No. 2, and no good trade offers are available (the No. 2 pick hasn’t been traded in 11 years), I think Denver should take Miller. Miller is a special player, who can help Denver’s front seven immediately. Whatever happens, Denver should be in good shape.
Thanks to everyone who participated.
Chris A. from Littleton, Colo.: Hey Bill, the Broncos' top pick should not be traded. The truly special talent in this draft is Patrick Peterson and that's where the Broncos should start, but if the Panthers have already taken him, Marcell Dareus should be the pick. At least one of the Broncos' two second round picks should be spent on a defensive tackle (maybe Stephen Paea or Marvin Austin) and the other should be Mikel Leshoure, so that coach Fox has a big, strong running back to take handoffs from Tebow.
Tag from Logan, Utah: I would like to see them stand pat and not trade down unless they got incredible value for doing so. They need a standout on the D-line. Of course, Dareus would be a great choice here. My fear is that Carolina will go defense and then the Broncos will choose Gabbert or Newton figuring that they can go defense later with the other 3 picks in the top 67. Be smart Denver - go defense, defense, defense, defense.
Nate from Portland: Denver should use the second pick to choose a top DT, either Dareus, who seems like the more sure bet, or Fairley, who some have concerns about but who blew me away every time I saw him play. Then I think they should grab another DT with their 2nd round choice. Stephen Paea would be great, if available. This isn't a one-year rebuilding job and if the Broncos can get a top DT tandem for the next decade by playing to the strength of this draft then I think they should (since they REALLY need a top DT, this could also be seen as a great hedge).
Ernest Shay from Tsaile, Ariz.: I think the Broncos should try and trade their pick by moving back within two to three spots, but make sure the other teams are interested in a quarterback … then draft a defensive tackle (Fairley or Dareus), Patrick Peterson, or Von Miller. Whichever player is available ... we will definitely use one of those guys and lets go for defense. If not, don’t trade and get Dareus.
I think Denver should hope Alabama defensive tackle Dareus is available at No. 2 since he fills a major need and is a top prospect. If Dareus is the first pick of the draft, perhaps Denver should look to trade down to the No. 5-8 range to compile more picks and then hope a player like LSU cornerback Peterson, Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley or Texas A&M linebacker Miller is still available.
If Dareus is gone at No. 2, and no good trade offers are available (the No. 2 pick hasn’t been traded in 11 years), I think Denver should take Miller. Miller is a special player, who can help Denver’s front seven immediately. Whatever happens, Denver should be in good shape.
Thanks to everyone who participated.
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Bill Williamson
Williamson joined ESPN.com in 2008 after four seasons covering the Denver Broncos for the Denver Post. He previously covered the Minnesota Vikings, Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks.
