Chicago White Sox: San Diego Padres
A Chicago White Sox run producer for four seasons, Quentin was back Friday for the first time since he was traded to the San Diego Padres for pitchers Simon Castro and Pedro Hernandez.
“Yeah, it’s been a while since I’ve been back here, since the trade and to see my former teammates Paulie (Paul Konerko), Gordon (Beckham), Adam (Dunn), Johnny (John Danks) who is throwing tonight, I just found that out,” Quentin said. “There are a lot of good people there. The training staff and everything.”
Ah yes, the training staff. Quentin has dealt with myriad injuries over his career first with the White Sox and now with the Padres. A recent groin issue has reduced him to designated-hitter duties in the current series, according to Padres manager Bud Black.
Quentin has always been sort of a chicken-or-the-egg conundrum. Did hard play contribute to his injury issues, or is his injury-probe body vulnerable to his style of play?
“You make adjustments,” Quentin said. “I’m having to adjust to that. When I played here my entire career I took pride in playing the game as hard as I could , the right way. Right now I have to make sure I keep my body healthy to be in the lineup and contribute for the good of my team. It’s an adjustment to make.”
Quentin might be a California native, who has played for two National League West teams in his career (the Arizona Diamondbacks is the other), but his time in Chicago has made a huge impact on him.
He burst upon the scene in 2008 to earn an All-Star Game nod and finish fifth in the MVP voting, but didn’t play more than 118 games in two of the next three seasons. When healthy, he rode massively productive hot streaks and some extended cold snaps to solid production numbers like 107 home runs and 320 RBIs in a White sox uniform.
“I was able to establish myself here,” Quentin said. “When I came here we had great players like Paul Konerko, Jim Thome, Jermaine Dye, a whole veteran team. Basically the whole team that won the World Series was here so it was a crucial point of my career to see how those guys conducted their business and helped me to become the player I am.”
The Sox acquired right-handed pitcher Simon Castro, 23, and left-hander Pedro Hernandez, 22.
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“It’s nice,” Richard said, grinning. “It’s like this every day in San Diego. It’s a little warmer here.”
Richard, the tall, ever-smiling ex-White Sox pitcher, was traded to the Padres on July 31 last year, along with Aaron Poreda and two other dudes you’ve probably never heard of, for a guy you have heard of, Jake Peavy.
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WAR stands for Wins Above Replacement and is a relatively complicated formula that in the end answers the question, “How much value would the team lose if a replacement player took his spot?” The calculation turns out an approximate win total the player holds.
Dec. 3, 2007: White Sox trade Chris Carter to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Carlos Quentin. (White Sox's net WAR gain: 4.1 and rising)
This was pure highway robbery on the part of the White Sox. Carter has yet to make the big leagues, although he has put up strong numbers in the minors. In six minor-league seasons, Carter has hit 137 home runs, including 39 in the 2008 season.
He has struggled this season at Triple-A Sacramento, but he should make the big leagues in time. When that time is still remains to be seen, but at only 23 years of age, Carter still has time on his side.
As good as Carter projects to be, Quentin (4.1 WAR) has already proven his MLB-mettle with the White Sox. In 2008, his first full season in the big leagues, Quentin hit .288 with 36 home runs and 100 RBIs. An injury-shortened 2009 season proved to be a sophomore slump for Quentin. He hit just .236 with 21 home runs in 99 games. This season has been a return to form of sorts for the 27-year-old outfielder. Through 77 games, Quentin has 19 home runs and 62 RBIs. His average has still suffered, but his OBP has improved 22 points from 2009. The future is still very bright for Quentin.
In the three seasons prior to this trade, Garcia compiled a 40-21 record with 383 strikeouts and a 4.24 ERA. Garcia spent one season in Philadelphia, followed by a year with the Detroit Tigers before returning to the White Sox in 2009.
In his two years away from Chicago, Garcia spent the majority of his time rehabbing from injuries and his 0.0 WAR reflected that. He started just 14 games, going 2-6 with a 5.55 ERA. Since rejoining the White Sox, Garcia has gone 12-7 with a 4.35 ERA.
What makes this “sell high, buy low” success story even better is who the White Sox acquired. Gonzalez never suited up for the White Sox, but was later used as trade bait in a deal with the Oakland A’s. Floyd (9.7 WAR) has been consistent for the White Sox, although his win-loss record doesn’t completely suggest that.
After a 17-win season in 2008, Floyd has gone 16-17 in the season and a half since. However, Floyd has managed to increase his strikeout totals each seasons while decreasing his walk totals. In his tenure with the White Sox, Floyd has gone 34-32 with a 4.13 ERA in 585 2/3 innings. He has struck out 452 batters while walking 184. Floyd figures to be a key part of the White Sox rotation for years to come.
Dec. 13, 2005: White Sox trade Orlando Hernandez, Luis Vizcaino, and Chris Young to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Javier Vazquez. (White Sox's net WAR gain: 4.2 and falling)
Exactly one year earlier, the White Sox made their worst trade since 2004 when they dealt Carlos Lee (14.6 WAR with team) to the Milwaukee Brewers for Travis Hinton, Scott Podsednik and Vizcaino. They followed it up in 2005 with the Javier Vazquez deal.
In his lone season with the Sox, Hernandez went 9-9 with a 5.12 ERA. Vizcaino, like Hernandez, also lasted only one season with the Sox. However, he was relatively solid going 6-5 with a 3.73 ERA in 65 relief appearances.
The real loss in this deal was Young (3.1 WAR), who made his first All-Star team this season at the age of 26. In his five seasons with the Diamondbacks, Young has shown a mixture of power and speed. He’s hit 86 home runs with the Diamondbacks, but has managed just a .240 batting average and an equally unimpressive .311 OBP. He has provided solid defense though, and the ability to steal bases. His best season came in 2007 when he hit 32 home runs with 29 doubles and 27 stolen bases. Young’s ceiling is still high.
Vazquez (11.6 WAR) had three fairly solid years with the White Sox, eating up 627 2/3 innings while going 38-36. His 4.40 ERA was average, but his 597 strikeouts were impressive. Had the White Sox kept Vazquez, this deal wouldn’t have been so bad. But because he is no longer with the team, while Young is a 2010 All-Star, this one makes the list as the worst trade since 2005 for the White Sox.
As for what the White Sox received, Betemit (-0.5 WAR) is no longer with the team, Nunez hasn’t had success at the major league level and Marquez is still a ways away from being a contributor, if that even happens.
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July 31, 2009: White Sox trade Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, and Adam Russell to the San Diego Padres for Jake Peavy. (White Sox's net WAR gain: 0.6 and stagnant)
The White Sox got the staff ace they were looking for, although Peavy (2.3 WAR) hasn’t made more than 17 starts in a season since 2008. After a poor start to 2010, Peavy caught fire in June going 3-2 with a 1.75 ERA in 36 innings. Peavy managed to lower his ERA from 6.23 entering June to 4.70 entering July, but was then lost for the season with a detached lat muscle.
The Padres landed Richard (1.7 WAR), who has gone 11-6 with a 3.60 ERA in 30 starts. With the Padres, Richard has averaged seven strikeouts per nine innings and is having a stellar 2010 campaign with a 6-4 record and a 3.33 ERA. He has increased his efficiency, maintaining a career-high 2:1 K:BB ratio.
Both Aaron Poreda and Adam Russell appear to have major league careers ahead of them.
Peavy, who was teammates with Gonzalez in San Diego, gave Williams information about the slugger's character as well as his ability during their conversations.
The Padres have been approached by numerous teams in the offseason about the availability of Gonzalez. The smart money has been on the Boston Red Sox as the ultimate front-runner if a trade is ever worked out.
San Diego Padres ace Jake Peavy told reporters in San Diego that he is rejecting a deal that would have sent him to the Chicago White Sox in exchange for four pitchers.
Peavy has a no-trade clause.
Peavy said he and his family consider Southern California to be the best place for them right now.
He said he will answer more questions after facing the Cubs on Friday night.
White Sox fans may wonder where the money might come from for San Diego pitching ace Jake Peavy. The team could be on the hook for upwards of $80 million if this trade is completed.
For a team that cut $20 million off its payroll after last season, it's amazing owner Jerry Reinsdorf approved the structure of this deal. But if you look at the long-range financial situation for the Sox, they're in great shape after 2009 with almost 40 percent of their $98 million payroll coming off the books.
According to major-league source, the White Sox have given the Padres a list of four other pitchers, two of whom the Padres will choose to go along with left-handers Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda.
One of those pitchers may be right-hander Brian Omogrosso, pitching at Class AA Birmingham. Omogrosso is rated with the organization's best fastball in 2008 by Baseball America.
Poreda was the Sox's No.1 pick in 2008 and is considered their top pitching prospect in the minor leagues. The 6-6 lefty throws a 97-mph fastball consistently, but he is still working to develop his secondary pitches.
It appears Peavy only is concerned about the city he plays in and the condition under which he must pitch. His agent might have a different perspective, seeking the entire $22 million option be picked up for 2013 (there's a $4 million buyout for 2013 if the option isn't picked up).
For a fly-ball pitcher like Peavy, the thought of throwing most of his games in a home run-happy U.S. Cellular Field could be intimidating. If the deal is not completed by the end of Thursday, Peavy may say 'No' to the trade and make his scheduled start against the Cubs on Friday night.
The White Sox's attempt to get Peavy shows their commitment to winning, and it also serves notice to the division that a move like this would them the favorites to win the American League Central.
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Jake Peavy's agent says the right-hander prefers the NL and is comfortable in Southern California.
The deal is pending Peavy's approval.
"Jake called me [Wednesday] afternoon to ask about what it's like here in Chicago," said Sox reliever Scott Linebrink, who was a teammate of Peavy's on the Padres. "I think he's ready to move on, but I can't tell you for sure he's going to accept the deal. Losing 100 games, like they did last year, wears on a player.
"Right now, I'd say it's 50-50 as to whether he accepts it or not. He'll get with his family today and make a decision."
The Padres have been trying to trade Peavy and his contract, which could be worth $84 million, since last November. The Chicago Cubs were the main suitor, but on Dec. 6 at the Winter Meetings in Las Vegas, they backed out of a deal that would have sent upwards of five players to San Diego.
Other teams have been interested Peavy, but Peavy has told the Padres on numerous occasions that he wanted to stay in the National League, and there were only three places he would go. The three placesup until now were the Cubs, Atlanta Braves and the Houston Astros. The Braves and Astros had long negotiations with the Padres but were unable to come up with a suitable deal for both sides.
Peavy, the Cy YoungAward winner in 2007, was shut down at the end of 2008 with some shoulder problems.