Maybe he isn’t channeling William Shakespeare, but Fisher got his point across when asked what he’s learned about his 2014 team so far, which has yet to emerge out of the shadow of the 2013 team that spent a January night making confetti angels on the Rose Bowl turf.
OK, land this plane, Jimbo.
“It’s similar to that. You train it the same, I’m doing the same things I did with No. 1 but the results aren’t the same. [The second] doesn’t think or do the same. That’s kind of how a team is. A lot of coaching and success comes from judging the personality of the team and getting to know it. You don’t just get it and plug it in.”
Translation: Fisher is not entirely sure what he is coaching yet, but he knows this isn’t the 2013 team. It isn’t a slight to the current group either. That’s Fisher’s roundabout way of saying even he’s still sizing up his team entering Week 6.
The good news is the Seminoles remain undefeated even if their three FBS wins have come by an average of nine points. That’s far fewer than the average of victory of the other three teams to receive a first-place vote in the AP poll and more than 20 points fewer than their own margin of victory through the first three FBS games of 2013.
Through preseason camp, the fifth-year Seminoles coach harped on finding an identity for his team. He felt he had a finger on the pulse of his team, but top-ranked FSU has been a mixed bag through four games. This isn’t the balanced offense it was last season. This isn’t the top five defense that has been a Tallahassee tradition under Fisher. It’s not a team built on forcing turnovers while limiting its own.
What the heck is the 2014 Florida State team? Better yet, who are they?
“Great competitors [who] don’t flinch,” Fisher said, “but I think it’s evolving offensively and defensively to how we can play.”
The Seminoles deserve the credit for winning close games in which they were tested late in fourth quarters, which did not happen at all during the 2013 calendar year. But they’re walking a tightrope over shark-infested waters. Maybe it is more like mutated, ill-tempered sea bass with the nature of the remaining schedule, but the point still stands: An identity will have to crystallize over the final two months.
Right now, the Seminoles' identity is a team relying on an elite passing attack buttressed by arguably college football’s top quarterback and receiver. Maybe that will be its identity all season, and it very well might be good enough to repeat as national champion, but history suggests either a complementary rushing attack or defense will need to materialize.
Fisher isn’t worried yet, though, and that’s the benefit of gutting out wins even when a team is not playing up to potential. It’s equally frustrating and promising, Fisher said. The confidence in Florida State from pollsters, the Football Power Index, and Las Vegas has waned each week, but Fisher realizes only under the wildest scenario would an undefeated Florida State be left out of the four-team College Football Playoff. So he is keeping weekly stock reports of his team instead and, despite outside doubts, he contends FSU’s arrow is trending up. The Seminoles did in fact have a 100-yard rusher and a defense that allowed only 123 yards in the second half Saturday.
“I don’t worry. You take how it goes and play well enough to beat your opponent and you want to see it gradually going in that direction, and, as crazy as it sounds, I do,” he said. “We’ve improved tremendously from that opening game. I start to see it in my mind.”
In a statement released on Twitter, Doeren said: "I have apologized to Jimbo Fisher & want to apologize to his staff, players & FSU fans for my comments that took away from a tremendous football game. I left an emotional locker room & took those emotions w/ me to the press conference. It was a great college football game with tremendous plays made by both teams. That is where the focus deserves to be. I have the utmost respect for Jimbo, his staff and players. FSU played a great game and earned the win."
The two coaches have traded barbs since Doeren's initial comments Saturday, after No. 1 Florida State rallied to beat NC State 56-41.
"The tempo we had was working until all the crazy fall-down things were going on and the clock kept stopping," Doeren said after the game. "You know the refs can't do anything about that, but it's horrible the way the tempo gets slowed down by these injuries. We went fast in the first quarter; I guess there were no fake injuries."
When asked about his comments Monday, Doeren said his team has dealt with "multiple people falling down" and limping off the field through the first five games of the season and called it "unsportsmanlike" behavior. He specifically pointed to one second-half play in which a Seminoles player "walked off the field as slow as humanly possible, and he's back in the game."
Florida State's Jimbo Fisher fired back Monday at NC State coach Dave Doeren, two days after Doeren had accused the Seminoles of faking injuries in FSU's 56-41 win.
"Well, I accuse him of not knowing what he's talking about," Fisher said Monday, as our Jared Shanker wrote. "They're not fake injuries. No one faked injuries, and we wouldn't do that. We'll coach Florida State, and he can coach North Carolina State."
As Shanker writes, Eddie Goldman, Derrick Mitchell Jr. and Terrance Smith needed help off the field Saturday in Raleigh, North Carolina.
Doeren softened his stance Monday but did not exactly back down, saying that the issue is not specific to FSU and that a rule should be in place that a player has to sit out for more than one play if he leaves the game in such a situation.
None of this, of course, is particularly new to college football, which has publicly wrestled with the hurry-up, no-huddle debate going on three years now. There is no real clear answer yet.
Surprisingly, a poll embedded in Shanker's story shows fans are overwhelmingly OK with Doeren's suggestions, saying that he did not cross a line. But our David Hale likely had a point Saturday when he tweeted that if you're going to fake injuries to slow the offense's tempo, you probably don't do it with Goldman in the red zone.
On to the rest of your ACC links ...
- With BC entering its bye, ESPNBoston.com's Jack McCluskey takes a look at where the Eagles stand after a disappointing loss.
- Georgia Tech's Shaq Mason has some new motivation, Ken Sugiura writes in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution: He became a father last month.
- Will Gardner returned to practice but his status remains unclear, Jeff Greer writes in the (Louisville) Courier-Journal.
- Larry Fedora is going about correcting UNC's mistakes, Andrew Carter writes in the (Raleigh) News & Observer.
- Pitt is looking for answers after its latest loss, Jerry DiPaola writes in the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
- Syracuse is trying to develop green cornerbacks during a tough stretch, Nate Mink writes in the (Syracuse) Post-Standard.
- The (Newport News) Daily Press' David Teel says Virginia's clash with Pitt is important and intriguing for the Coastal division.
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- NC State almost upset top-ranked Florida State on Saturday. Two days later, it was Seminoles coach Jimbo Fisher who was upset after hearing that Wolfpack coach Dave Doeren accused Florida State of faking injuries.
"Well, I accuse him of not knowing what he's talking about," Fisher said Monday. "They're not fake injuries. No one faked injuries, and we wouldn't do that. We'll coach Florida State, and he can coach North Carolina State."
After Saturday's 56-41 loss to the Seminoles, Doeren voiced a few gripes with Florida State's tactics. A handful of FSU defensive players throughout the game needed help off the field, including veteran players Eddie Goldman, Derrick Mitchell Jr. and Terrance Smith.
"The tempo we had was working until all the crazy fall-down things were going on and the clock kept stopping," Doeren told reporters after the loss. "You know the refs can't do anything about that, but it's horrible the way the tempo gets slowed down by these injuries. We went fast in the first quarter; I guess there were no fake injuries."
The Wolfpack's offense has improved dramatically in Year 2 under Doeren, who now has Florida transfer Jacoby Brissett as his quarterback. The Wolfpack racked up 520 yards of offense against Florida State via Doeren's up-tempo pace. NC State at one point held a 24-7 advantage and led for most of the game.
At his Monday news conference, Doeren reiterated his belief that the Seminoles faked injuries but softened his stance somewhat. He also called it an issue not specific to Florida State but rather a college football problem.
* Jameis Winston’s Heisman campaign shouldn’t be on life support just yet. His numbers are down from last year, but not by as much as you might think.
Last season, Winston led 137 drives and Florida State scored on 66 percent of them, averaging 4.1 points per drive.
This season, Winston has led 33 drives and the Seminoles have scored 61 percent of the time and averaged 3.7 points per drive.
It’s really a small blip, and given that Winston is breaking in a lot of new faces in new roles at the skill positions, it’s certainly not too surprising.
Winston also ranks 10th nationally in passing yards per game, 15th in yards per attempt and 19th in passer rating. Again, off a bit from last season, but certainly well within range of climbing back into the Heisman race by year’s end.
* In Florida State’s first eight quarters of action against Power 5 opponents, it had tallied just 131 yards and two TDs on 45 non-QB rushing attempts (2.9 yards per carry). Since the start of overtime against Clemson, however, those numbers have jumped to 194 yards and five TDs on 30 carries (6.5 YPC).
* Rashad Greene is FSU’s Mr. Reliable. Since he arrived in 2011, he’s responsible for 36 percent of all of the Noles’ receptions on third or fourth down (48). This season, he's been targeted on 11 of 21 third-down passes.
More Greene: He's played in 19 games decided by two touchdowns or less. In those games, he's caught 118 passes for 1,658 yards and 12 TDs. No other FSU receiver has had more than three touchdown catches in those games.
* The bad news for FSU is the defense. The Seminoles have allowed more than 400 yards of offense to ACC teams in consecutive games for the first time since 2009 — a season in which Florida State finished 108th nationally in total defense.
* Looking for a dark horse for the ACC’s top freshman? How about NC State’s Bo Hines, who has 24 catches for 312 yards already this season. Only three other true freshmen in the nation have more catches and only two have more yards than Hines, and no Power 5 conference receiver in the nation (min. 25 targets) has caught a higher percentage of his passes (87.5).
* Jacoby Brissett was exceptional against Florida State, with Jimbo Fisher comparing the NC State QB’s game to that of his own Heisman winner. But beyond the highlight plays, what’s perhaps been so impressive about Brissett so far this season is that he hasn’t made many mistakes. In fact, the NC State QB currently has a streak of 156 straight attempts without an interception — the longest streak by any quarterback since Baylor’s Bryce Petty went 229 straight throws from Oct. 5 through Nov. 30 of last season.
* While Brissett avoided picks, Virginia Tech’s Michael Brewer keeps racking them up. Brewer threw two more against Western Michigan, giving him 10 for the year, which is tied with Wake Forest’s John Wolford for the most in the country. Brewer has thrown multiple interceptions in four straight games. That’s the longest streak by a Power 5 QB since USC’s Matt Barkley tossed multiple INTs in four straight in 2012. In the last decade, the only Power 5 QB with two or more picks in five straight games was Oregon State’s Matt Moore in 2005.
* Speaking of Wolford, he threw three more picks Saturday, which Louisville turned into two touchdowns and a missed field goal. Overall, Wake Forest has allowed 59 points off turnovers this year, the third most by any Power 5 team. Those 59 points account for 59 percent of all the points the Demon Deacons have surrendered this season, third most of any team in the country.
Worse news for Wake: It has Florida State up next on the schedule. Last year, the Deacons turned the ball over seven times against FSU, leading to 38 points for the Seminoles. Ouch.
* Saturday marked the first time this season that Pitt’s James Conner failed to reach 100 yards rushing and the first time that Miami’s Duke Johnson topped the century mark. Still, Conner and Johnson are the only running backs in the nation to have exceeded 90 yards in every game so far this season.
For Johnson, Saturday’s win over Duke was his 14th career game topping 90 yards rushing. Only three other active Power 5 running backs have had more since the start of 2012: Nebraska’s Ameer Abdullah (22), Georgia’s Todd Gurley (18) and Wisconsin’s Melvin Gordon (15). That’s pretty good company.
* Of course Deshaun Watson is great, but here are a few numbers to illustrate how good he’s been: Watson leads the nation in yards per attempt (11.9). He’s second only to Oregon’s Marcus Mariota in passer rating (212.7). He’s third behind Mariota and Alabama’s Blake Sims in completion percentage (72.7). He has the third-best rate of TD-to-attempts in the country behind Mariota and Cal’s Jared Goff. And no QB in the nation has had a higher percentage of his passes result in plays of 20 yards or more than Watson (21.1).
* Impressive early work by Todd Grantham. Louisville currently leads the nation in total defense (208.5 yards per game) against FBS teams. Virginia is the next closest in the ACC, allowing more than 100 additional yards per game than the Cardinals (313.0). Louisville’s 18 sacks and nine interceptions against FBS teams are also tops in the nation, and only TCU has had a higher percentage of opponent drives end without gaining a first down (58%). ESPN’s metrics note the Cardinals’ defensive win probability added of 2.40 nearly doubles any other team in the country (Ole Miss and Utah State are next at 1.23).
* Virginia’s offense still won’t be confused with Oregon or Baylor, but the Hoos have scored 20 points or more in five straight games for the first time since Oct. 6, 2007. They haven’t hit that mark in six straight since 2002, but that could change Saturday against reeling Pittsburgh.
There are two schools of thought on why the Seminoles dropped: The first is that to be the man, you've got to beat the man, as pro wrestler Ric Flair has so eloquently put it for the last 40 years. The other is that 2013 should have no bearing on 2014, and the reigning champion is on equal footing with the rest of the country; every undefeated team has a rightful claim to the No. 1 ranking at this point.
That all makes for hotly debated Sunday afternoons, but not much else. The only ranking that matters now is the one the playoff committee will release next month.
Following Saturday’s 56-41 victory over NC State, Fisher said it is “frustrating” the Seminoles have not played as well as he would like through the first third of the regular season. Here are the bigger takeaways from Saturday's game moving forward. The loosening grip on the No. 1 ranking is not one of them.
1. The rushing attack found some life
Based purely on talent, there was a faction of Florida State fans who expected Karlos Williams, a former five-star recruit, to be one of the Seminoles’ most prolific running backs since Warrick Dunn. The numbers were paltry through three games, however, as the running backs and offensive lines tagged each other in and out of Fisher’s doghouse. Against NC State, however, Williams ran for a career-high 126 yards and three touchdowns. That was a product of much better blocking, too, as a Florida State running back made it at least five yards past the line of scrimmage before getting touched an astonishing six times in the second half, according to ESPN Stats & Information. That is a sign of an offensive line paving the way, and the rushing attack needs to be clicking by the time Notre Dame rolls into town on Oct. 18. The offensive line was criticized heavily following the Clemson victory, but the unit can be proud of the holes it opened Saturday and use that confidence moving forward.
2. A battered defense is struggling at the line of scrimmage
It is tougher to gauge this Florida State defense when it is without two starting defensive linemen, but the injury bug has bitten the unit hard. Playing without Mario Edwards Jr. (concussion) and Nile Lawrence-Stample (pectoral, out for season), NC State carved up the Seminoles defense. It is not an issue that will be fixed over the course of a week, if it can be fixed at all. The Florida State defense is not as talented as it was last season at every level. Shoddy tackling has added to the mediocre defensive numbers, too. Whether it was a running back, receiver or a scrambling Jacoby Brissett, the Seminoles whiffed far too many times. But with the limited bodies, does Fisher even risk increasing the physicality in practice? To the defense’s credit, after a program-worst 24 points allowed in the first quarter, the defense tightened up and allowed touchdowns only following FSU turnovers the remainder of the game. Young bodies along the defensive line also played major roles in the second half and showed the promise you would expect out of a freshman class ranked No. 3 in the country.
3. The offense is hitting its stride …
... and that should compensate for a defense still finding its bearings. It is no surprise the offensive production is apples and oranges when it is Jameis Winston at quarterback vs. anybody else. Winston was brilliant the majority of the game and showed no signs of rust. Complementing the passing game was a rushing attack that sealed the victory in the fourth quarter. The Seminoles converted 8 of 11 third-down attempts, and Winston was 7-of-9 passing on third down, with an average of 12 yards per attempt. While receiver Rashad Greene continues to state his case as the country’s best receiver, the Seminoles found a competent option outside of the senior. Sophomore Jesus "Bobo" Wilson had 109 yards and two scores. One issue is the offensive line did not pass block particularly well for a second consecutive game.
It looked like a quiet weekend of college football, so the BMOC thought he could slip away to his Scottish castle for Ryder Cup week, feast on kippers and haggis, and then jaunt back in his Gulfstream G650ER in time for the college football season to reveal all its secrets this week.
He handed over his ancient, sacred typewriter and gamboled off, leaving this space to a substitute, a proxy, a mere stand-in, a RSDOC -- Regular Sized Dude on Campus. That would be me. G'day, gav'nuhs!
While the RSDOC at first felt like Joel Goodson at the beginning of "Risky Business" when his parents were leaving town -- "Just use your best judgment, RSDOC: You know we trust you" -- he ended up feeling like Jack Nicholson was hacking at his office door with an axe while bellowing with wide, demented eyes, "THERE ARE NO QUIET WEEKENDS IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL!'"
PREGAME SPEECH, POST-CAREER VARIETY
The Charlie Weis era at Kansas is over. It feels like someone should at least play a quick dirge on a kazoo.
He went 6-22 overall and 1-18 in Big 12 play, his last statement as the Jayhawks coach being a 23-to-bagel defeat to Texas, thereby keeping a tradition alive that started in 1938: Kansas losing to the Longhorns. His winning percentage of .214 is the worst for any Power 5 team over the past two-plus seasons.
Weis, the first of what might be more than a few big-name heads to roll over the coming weeks -- yes, we're casting quick glance toward Ann Arbor -- never produced that "decided schematic advantage" he promised everyone when he was hired at Notre Dame in 2005. The man does know how to negotiate a contract, though. According to USA Today, his combined severance from Notre Dame and Kansas in 2015 will be nearly $4.6 million, which will rank him among the highest paid coaches in the country.
Only he'll be chilling on the sofa eating Cheetos. Life is so cool!
College Football Playoff: Florida State
Capital One Orange Bowl: Clemson versus Notre Dame*
Russell Athletic Bowl: Louisville
TaxSlayer Bowl: Georgia Tech
Belk Bowl: Virginia Tech
Hyundai Sun Bowl: Miami
New Era Pinstripe Bowl: NC State
Military Bowl presented By Northrop Grumman: Virginia
Duck Commander Independence Bowl: Duke
Quick Lane Bowl: Pittsburgh
BITCOIN St. Petersburg Bowl: Boston College
* Note: Notre Dame is eligible for a bid to any ACC tie-in game unless it is selected for a New Year’s Six game, which can include playing an ACC team in the Orange Bowl.
Playoff Top Four: Week 6
12:30 PM ET Virginia Tech North Carolina 3:30 PM ET North Carolina State Clemson 3:30 PM ET Wake Forest 1 Florida State 7:30 PM ET Miami (FL) Georgia Tech 7:30 PM ET Pittsburgh Virginia