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|Andy and Brian speak with former Lakers assistant coach Brian Shaw, talking about Jim Buss, communication problems, and how members of Phil Jackson's coaching tree are treated around the league.
"Initially I was very disappointed. It was something that I had my sights set on. I didn't really feel comfortable talking about [it] leading into this last season, but just tried to do everything I possibly could to put myself in position, and soak up and learn as much as I could from the best coach that's ever coached in any professional sport. I thought that I had done that, and having been in the organization for the past 12 years, thought I positioned myself pretty well. But I also understand the business and the nature of the business.What were you told about why they went another direction?
Things didn't work out that way, so I understand that, so it was time to move on, and that's what I did."
"I wasn't really told anything. Unfortunately, I found out about not getting the job and who was getting the job on ESPN. I didn't really talk to anyone for about three weeks after that. At that point, just from all the speculation and what I'd heard, it felt like the powers that were making the decisions felt like the team needed a change of culture and a new voice, and to head a new direction. That's what I was told. I thought that was kind of peculiar, because in the 12 years that I had been there, and I know the 11 years that coach Jackson had coached, all we had done was go to the championship seven times, and won five championships. I just felt like there were 29 other teams in the league that would love to have that kind of culture and that kind of direction.On questions about a lack of communication from the front office:
But there's been a change in power, I guess to say, in terms of who's calling the shots from this point on and that's the direction they wanted to head in. I can accept that ... I didn't expect anything anything to be handed to me."
"For whatever reason, there was a glitch in communication. ... I've always had a great relationship and open line of communication with (general manager) Mitch Kupchak so I don't think it came from there. We've always been on good terms and are still on good terms. I understand in his position there's only so much that he can do, even. He has people over his head that he has to follow directions, and do what they say do. Definitely there's some room for improvement in terms of how people are dealt with or communicated with ... I'm going to be OK. I feel bad for some of the other people who I worked with, and were with the Lakers for a lot longer than I was."Did you have a good relationship with Jim Buss? What are your thoughts of him as an executive?
"I thought that our relationship was OK. There wasn't much of a relationship, just in terms of the fact that I didn't see him a whole lot. ... On game days, occasionally I'd see him or Dr. Buss, but for the most part, especially over the last couple of years, I didn't really see them as much as in the past. It's not really fair to say if we had a good relationship or not. There wasn't really much of a relationship, just because we weren't around each other a whole lot. ... Obviously he made decisions he wanted to make. I haven't heard from him, personally. I did get a voice mail from Dr. Buss which I appreciated, with his sentiments, and I have spoken with Mitch Kupchak. I have not spoken at all with Jim Buss. The last time I have spoken to him or seen him was when I was interviewed by him, Dr. Buss and Mitch Kupchak shortly after the season was overWhat's the greatest lesson you'll take from Phil Jackson?
That part, I wish I would have kind of heard, for lack of a better term, from out of the horse's mouth exactly where I went wrong, or what the thought process was. That was something that I had to hear [as] hearsay from everybody else. That's the part of it that's tough."
"It's patience, and when you coach, you coach what you believe in. Your philosophy, and how you feel about the game."On complications of being a branch on the Phil Jackson coaching tree:
"Our coaching staff had over 30 championship rings. We, by far, had more success than any staff in the last 12 years that I've been here in L.A. I'm proud of the fact that I was able to play for Phil Jackson, the fact that I was able to coach under him and sit next to him on the bench, and learn and just soak up everything I could from that man. Just to feel like having all that experience and all the success and all those championships, that everybody that was on that staff kind of felt like we were out on the street, with nowhere to go. He's a guy who is not arguably, but is the best, and the winningest, and the most successful coach in the history of professional sports, whose coaching staff it almost seems like we were lepers, and we had the plague, and nobody wanted to touch us. That's hard for me to understand.Do you believe you'll be a head coach one day?
You look at Gregg Popovich and his staff, and the guys that have worked for that San Antonio organization, and getting jobs, and they're always at the front of the list and what have you. Then you have Phil Jackson, who has won all that he's won, and his staff has been with him a long time, that don't get the same opportunities, that don't get looked at the same way ...
Just from me going around doing head-coaching interviews, it's almost like I can't even affiliate myself. If I go into an interview with another team, even when I interviewed for the Lakers, talking about Phil Jackson or talking about his triangle offense ... I see the faces of general managers and owners cringe when I bring up his name and his offense, and I don't understand that, but I'm not ashamed of it. I'm proud of the fact that I played for him, and I coached under him, and that I was able to accomplish all of the success and gain all the experience that I was able to gain under him. I'm not going to duck my head or shy away from the fact that I was affiliated with Phil Jackson. That's also the same reason why, or at least a big part of the reason why I'm not still with the Lakers, and neither of the other coaches -- Jim Cleamons and Frank Hamblen -- why we're not there, either."
"For sure."On memories of the Lakers:
"I enjoy all the memories, and I enjoy the experiences that I've had with my fellow teammates and coaching staff, and the rest of the staff that I've worked with the Lakers over the years, and now [going to Indiana] is just a new chapter. ... I was fortunate to be in [the Lakers organization] for the last 12 years. There's no regrets. I don't have any hard feelings towards anyone. I appreciate the sentiment of all the players that supported me."