Shut down Johan? 'Powwow' looms
August, 17, 2012
8/17/12
10:37
PM ET
By
Adam Rubin | ESPNNewYork.com
WASHINGTON -- No one was forecasting Johan Santana will be shut down for the season after Friday's latest subpar start. But pitching coach Dan Warthen indicated at the very least that team brass would need to have a "powwow" to discuss the topic. And Santana, rather than be dismissive of that as an option, seemed receptive to halting his season before the end of September if a meeting of minds arrives at that decision.
Santana on Friday became the first pitcher in franchise history to allow six or more earned runs in five straight starts. He insisted his surgically repaired left shoulder is healthy, and assigned the latest damage to bad pitch location on homers to Michael Morse and Bryce Harper.
"You know, my season has been a roller coaster," Santana said after being charged with six runs in five innings as his ERA swelled to 8.27 in 10 starts since his June 1 no-hitter. "A lot of ups and downs. Good days. Bad days. But I'm very positive about everything, because I'm coming back from a major surgery, and I've been able to be out there every five games. ... Right now my shoulder is fine. I don't have any issues with it. It's just that it has been a long season for me."
Would Santana resist if team brass felt it was beneficial to cut short his season to ensure maximum health for 2013? (Santana is due to make $31 million next year, including the buyout of the following season.)
"This is a decision, whatever it will be, it's going to be together. It's not going to be based on me or them," Santana said. "I think it has to be in a way where we'll talk together and see how we feel. Whatever they want to do, as long as it works out for everybody in the long term, I think it will be fine."
Said Warthen about a potential shutdown: "We'll have to talk about that, and we'll have to talk to Johan and see how the body feels, how the arm feels, how he feels mentally. I'm not going to discount anything. I'm not going to say one way or the other. We'll all sit down and have a powwow, I would imagine as soon as we get home and see Sandy [Alderson] and make the discussion and then talk to Johan and see how the back is and everything else -- see how sore he is."
Santana began throwing last offseason on Dec. 15, six weeks earlier than normal, as part of his rehab program, so he may now be gassed. And Santana only had one three-inning rehab assignment with Brooklyn before returning from the DL. He then tossed only 43 pitches in last weekend's start against the Braves. So Santana's pitch count may not be built up enough to have prolonged success in a game just yet.
Sure enough, Santana retired the first nine Nationals on Friday. His outing unraveled, Warthen noted, about the 50-pitch mark.
"I was so encouraged with the outing tonight, outside of the score and us losing -- the first three innings of being perfect baseball," Warthen said. "And we're seeing a strong, solid average fastball, getting the ball to the zone where he wanted it. It's very obvious in the fourth and fifth inning that the ball was leaking back over the plate, losing velocity. It's just a matter of building that arm strength back up, because we saw vintage Johan for three innings."
Said Santana: "I've been throwing baseballs since Dec. 15. That's when my workouts started, aiming for spring training and Opening Day. And there were a lot of question marks if I was going to break camp with the team. And I made the team and I started the first game of the season. So it has been a long, long season for me -- but at the same time very positive, because even though I had rough outings, I still worked through them and I'm able to go back out there and do my thing. Sometimes mechanically you're not there. Or your command is not there. So that's something you have to work on. Physically, up to this point, I feel that I've done a lot and without any problems."
Santana on Friday became the first pitcher in franchise history to allow six or more earned runs in five straight starts. He insisted his surgically repaired left shoulder is healthy, and assigned the latest damage to bad pitch location on homers to Michael Morse and Bryce Harper.
"You know, my season has been a roller coaster," Santana said after being charged with six runs in five innings as his ERA swelled to 8.27 in 10 starts since his June 1 no-hitter. "A lot of ups and downs. Good days. Bad days. But I'm very positive about everything, because I'm coming back from a major surgery, and I've been able to be out there every five games. ... Right now my shoulder is fine. I don't have any issues with it. It's just that it has been a long season for me."
Would Santana resist if team brass felt it was beneficial to cut short his season to ensure maximum health for 2013? (Santana is due to make $31 million next year, including the buyout of the following season.)
"This is a decision, whatever it will be, it's going to be together. It's not going to be based on me or them," Santana said. "I think it has to be in a way where we'll talk together and see how we feel. Whatever they want to do, as long as it works out for everybody in the long term, I think it will be fine."
Said Warthen about a potential shutdown: "We'll have to talk about that, and we'll have to talk to Johan and see how the body feels, how the arm feels, how he feels mentally. I'm not going to discount anything. I'm not going to say one way or the other. We'll all sit down and have a powwow, I would imagine as soon as we get home and see Sandy [Alderson] and make the discussion and then talk to Johan and see how the back is and everything else -- see how sore he is."
Santana began throwing last offseason on Dec. 15, six weeks earlier than normal, as part of his rehab program, so he may now be gassed. And Santana only had one three-inning rehab assignment with Brooklyn before returning from the DL. He then tossed only 43 pitches in last weekend's start against the Braves. So Santana's pitch count may not be built up enough to have prolonged success in a game just yet.
Sure enough, Santana retired the first nine Nationals on Friday. His outing unraveled, Warthen noted, about the 50-pitch mark.
"I was so encouraged with the outing tonight, outside of the score and us losing -- the first three innings of being perfect baseball," Warthen said. "And we're seeing a strong, solid average fastball, getting the ball to the zone where he wanted it. It's very obvious in the fourth and fifth inning that the ball was leaking back over the plate, losing velocity. It's just a matter of building that arm strength back up, because we saw vintage Johan for three innings."
Said Santana: "I've been throwing baseballs since Dec. 15. That's when my workouts started, aiming for spring training and Opening Day. And there were a lot of question marks if I was going to break camp with the team. And I made the team and I started the first game of the season. So it has been a long, long season for me -- but at the same time very positive, because even though I had rough outings, I still worked through them and I'm able to go back out there and do my thing. Sometimes mechanically you're not there. Or your command is not there. So that's something you have to work on. Physically, up to this point, I feel that I've done a lot and without any problems."

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Morning briefing: Harvey Day at last http://t.co/iuUVeMWdsS #NYM #Mets
about 4 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Mets' O leaves no room for error http://t.co/csBOzZ1BdU #NYM #Mets
about 7 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Minors 5.21.13: Las Vegas loses tough one http://t.co/5iWFYoTEtF #NYM #Mets
about 7 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Rapid Reaction: Reds 4, Mets 0 http://t.co/IA6FesfiNq #NYM #Mets
about 9 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Final: #Reds 4, #Mets 0
about 10 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Ike Davis grounds out to first base to strand two in scoring position. #Reds 3, #Mets 0, end 4
about 11 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Hefner: I feel for Oklahomans http://t.co/dbQXPLttMg #NYM #Mets
about 12 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Mike Leake Ks. It was a 48-pitch first inning for Jon Niese. #Reds 3, #Mets 0, mid-1.
about 12 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Jon Niese up to 45 pitches after bases-loaded walk. #Reds 3, #Mets 0, top 1.
about 12 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
E-5 by David Wright with bases loaded and two outs allows 2 runs to score. #Reds 2, #Mets 0, top 1.
about 12 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Tuesday's Mets-Reds Lineups http://t.co/g0QCSorYcg #NYM #Mets
about 16 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Tuesday #Mets vs. #Reds: Murphy-4 Baxter-9 Wright-5 Duda-7 Ankiel-8 Buck-2 Davis-3 Tejada-6 Niese-1
about 17 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
,,, Montero then walks batter with two outs. Josh Edgin enters and allows winning run to score. Montero line: 6.2 IP, 4H, 2R, 2ER ,1 BB, 5 K
about 17 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Rafael Montero was one out from 7-inning complete game in his AAA debut, but suffers loss. Up 1-0 in 7th, Brian Bogusevic leadoff HR ...
about 17 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Tuesday #Reds vs #Mets: Robinson 8, Cozart 6, Votto 3, Phillips 4, Bruce 9, Frazier 5, Lutz 7, Mesoraco 2, Leake RHP
about 17 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
RT @Mets: Mets @jeremy_hefner53 will be on ESPN's Outside the Lines @OTLonESPN at 3 p.m. today talking about his hometown of Moore, OK.
about 17 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Strawberry to represent Mets at draft http://t.co/tfjLFJ9Qbp #NYM #Mets
about 18 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Darryl Strawberry gets the ceremonial role representing #Mets at draft. ... Willie Randolph representing #Yankees
about 19 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Morning briefing: Another 0-5 starter http://t.co/49bt37hRRG #NYM #Mets
about 21 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin

- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin
Las Vegas 51s radio on internet: http://t.co/PHVrPskYil RT @bkfinest85: Anywhere it can be seen or followed ?
about 21 hours ago
- AdamRubinESPN Adam Rubin





TWITTER


You must be signed in to post a comment