NFC South: Falcons-Lions 2011

More on Lions, Falcons and karma

October, 25, 2011
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Apparently, karma -- or at least the idea of getting what you deserve -- can flow both ways.

Yes, it’s time for the latest in the war of words between the Atlanta Falcons and Detroit Lions. For background, a few of the Falcons said Detroit defensive linemen Ndamukong Suh and Cliff Avril were making comments and gestures when quarterback Matt Ryan was injured in Sunday’s game. Suh fired back, denying that, but saying the injury might be karma and accusing Atlanta’s offensive line of using some underhanded tactics.

Now, that bit about karma is being lobbed right back at Suh. This time, it comes in this radio interview with Atlanta cornerback Brent Grimes.

"For you to mock somebody when they're on the ground and they are possibly seriously hurt where they might need a cart to take them off the field, that's just not cool,'' Grimes said. "That comes back to people when they do something like that.''

That's all we've got on this story for the moment. But stay tuned. Even on a day when players are off, a Lion or Falcon could add to this one at any time.

Roddy White responds to Ndamukong Suh

October, 24, 2011
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Time for Round 3 of the battle of words between the Atlanta Falcons and Detroit Lions.

For those keeping score at home, Round 1 came when Atlanta receiver Roddy White and center Todd McClure expressed disgust and claimed Detroit defensive linemen Ndamukong Suh and Cliff Avril were making comments and gestures as Atlanta quarterback Matt Ryan was on the field after having his ankle stepped on by offensive tackle Will Svitek.

Round 2 came when Suh and Avril denied making comments or gestures and also took a few shots at Atlanta’s offensive line and the media.

Now, on to the latest. In an interview with NFL Network, White responded to Suh’s comments.

“I just know he's going to say whatever he wants to say, but we know what they said,’’ White said. “We were standing right there in the huddle, we saw when he went down and that's before the medical staff got there that they said was in front of the play. We didn't say he kicked Matt; we said one of the guys, I don't know if it was 92 or 93, one of the defensive ends, came over and he was making kicking gestures like, 'Get him out of here, get him out of here.'

“I know Suh said what he said. He said, 'Go get the cart for him, get him out of here.' He knows he said that and we're not going to go back and forth about what he said-she said. And then he's going to say it was karma for what we've done in the past when their quarterback [Matthew Stafford] gets hurt on the last play of the game and they have an MRI today.”

You can check out video of the White interview here, along with interviews with Suh and teammate Stephen Tulloch.

Lions fire back at Falcons

October, 24, 2011
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It’s time for another round of "Falcons said, Lions said."

In the first round, we told you how Atlanta receiver Roddy White and center Todd McClure expressed disgust at what they said were the actions of Detroit defensive linemen Ndamukong Suh and Cliff Avril when quarterback Matt Ryan was down with an ankle injury.

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Andrew Weber/US PresswireDetroit's Ndamukong Suh refutes accusations by Falcons players that a Lions player was kicking Atlanta QB Matt Ryan while Ryan was on the turf injured Sunday.
Now, it’s time for Round 2.

This is where Suh and Avril come back and deny they did what McClure and White said they did.

"Basically, my whole thing is, with all the statements, they're going to say what they want to say -- he said, she said," Suh said. "I know, for the fact of the matter, Cliff, or anybody for that matter, would have kicked their quarterback, I'm sure there would have been a riot -- there would've been a fight broken out real quick. Because I guarantee you if that would've happened to Matt Stafford, and he was on the ground and somebody kicked him, I guarantee you all hell would've broken loose.

"I just got done watching film, got done watching that play. If you see it, me and Cliff are standing next to each other because there's a back -- there are three people on the two of us. So, with that, [the accusations are] null and void; that kills it right there. So there's no point in even -- these accusations, all these different things -- it means nothing to me."

Avril had a similar response.

"It isn't in anybody’s character in our D-line room, honestly and truthfully, to go out and try and end guys’ careers," said Avril. "Nobody in our D-line … that’s not football to us. We play the game the way it’s supposed to be played, I believe, which is to get after the quarterback and hit the quarterback and stop the run. That’s what it is."

Of course, there now is room for a few more rounds in this one because Suh and Avril pointed some fingers at various targets, starting with Atlanta’s offensive line.

"Nobody’s out there trying to tear ACLs, nobody’s out there trying to do all the season-ending injuries," Avril said. "But then you have O-linemen that are taught that and they get away with it and all of a sudden we get the stigma of the name of being 'a dirty group' which is mind-boggling, honestly."

Suh also had some words about Atlanta’s offensive line.

"There are many, many, many plays that I could go back to that I watch on film all week that their offensive line has done, and that they've been coached to do, as far as I know," Suh said. "It's not anything that's not been said; it's not anything that's new. Those are things that they're taught to do, and I can go back -- there's like a 13-, 15-play reel that we have that shows everything they've done. That's not even counting our game -- there are many plays that I can go back to in that particular game and say, 'What am I supposed to do? Am I supposed to just let that happen? Or what?' But nothing's done about it."

And, of course, the media outlets that initially reported the claims by McClure and White are drawing fire from the Lions.

"For me, it really sits unsettling that there's media outlets, there's reporters that really don't do their homework, and it's kind of unsettling because that's your job," Suh said. "Ultimately, if you go back and watch the film and look at things, come to me and point it out where I've made mistakes and where I've cut somebody, late-hit somebody in the back, or anything like that. Let me know. I want to see it. I want somebody to come out and point it to me and let me know where I did it and how I did, and if I was wrong, we can address it then and there."

I’ve got news for Suh. It was White and McClure who made the allegations, not the media.

Atlanta Falcons lose respect for Suh

October, 24, 2011
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Atlanta receiver Roddy White and center Todd McClure expressed disgust at the actions of Detroit defensive linemen Ndamukong Suh and Cliff Avril after quarterback Matt Ryan was injured in the second half of Sunday’s Falcons’ victory.

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Offensive tackle Will Svitek appeared to step on Ryan’s ankle. The quarterback went down briefly, but walked off the field. Ryan returned to the game.

"I had respect for Suh before the game," McClure told The Journal-Constitution. "But when Matt was on the ground, the things [Suh] was saying and the trash he was talking was definitely uncalled for. There are certain things you don't do. [He said], 'Get the cart' and several other things that I can't repeat."

"I lost a whole lot of respect for 90 [Suh] today, and also 92 [Avril], the [expletive] they were doing when Matt got hurt," White told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "That was unacceptable. ... Like 92 was kicking [Ryan's] feet, saying, 'Get him off the field.' We don't do stuff like that. ... When you compete, you never want to see a guy get hurt."

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