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Where do Saints turn for big RB?

August, 12, 2010
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With Lynell Hamilton suffering a torn anterior cruciate ligament in Wednesday’s workout with the Patriots, the New Orleans Saints are going to have to make some major decisions about their stable of running backs.

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They had planned to use Hamilton in the spot in the rotation that Mike Bell held last year. In other words, Hamilton (6-foot and 235 pounds) was going to be the big back or the short-yardage guy. Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush would alternate as the top two running backs with Bush being the speed guy and Thomas the all-around back.

Bush and Thomas remain in place and I doubt the plan for them will change much. But the Saints now need a third man in that rotation and I’m not sure they’ve got the right candidate on their current roster. All indications are they like P.J. Hill and rookie Chris Ivory. But neither is as big as Hamilton. Ivory is a little closer than Hill, but they’re both within a few pounds of 220.

The Saints had veteran Ladell Betts in for a workout last week and he’s slightly heavier than Hill and Ivory. Plus, he’s got experience. I don’t know if the workout erased any concerns about Betts’ health. If it did, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Saints sign him quickly. If it didn’t, I’d look for them to go out and add another running back very soon.

There’s not much out there right now. This might be a situation where the Saints monitor running backs on other teams throughout the preseason and hope they can add a big back that gets released by someone else.

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Biggest surprise: Lynell Hamilton virtually forced the Saints to keep four running backs. A practice-squad player last year, Hamilton turned in an impressive preseason performance and beat out undrafted rookies P.J. Hill and Herb Donaldson. At 235 pounds, Hamilton could be a short-yardage specialist. He’ll be behind Reggie Bush, Pierre Thomas and Mike Bell on the depth chart. But Bush and Thomas each have histories of getting banged up so there’s a good chance Hamilton will get some playing time. Hamilton could even get some work at fullback because Heath Evans is the only one on the roster at that position.

No-brainer: A lot of people just assumed Paul Spicer would make the roster because he’s a 10-year veteran and the Saints will be without suspended defensive ends Will Smith and Charles Grant for the start of the season. But I remember watching Spicer in camp and thinking it didn’t look he had much left. Give the Saints credit for facing reality and not just relying on Spicer’s reputation. They might not be done at this position yet because they have only Bobby McCray, Anthony Hargrove and Jeff Charleston behind Smith and Grant.

What’s next: With Pro Bowler Drew Brees and veteran Mark Brunell, the Saints are in fine shape at quarterback. But they still need to do something at this position after releasing Joey Harrington. It might be something as simple as signing a young quarterback to the practice squad. The Saints don’t necessarily need to carry three quarterbacks on the regular season roster. But they need to have one more quarterback in the building to run the scout team and to be ready just in case of disaster.

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In his meeting with the media Sunday afternoon, New Orleans coach Sean Payton indicated running back Pierre Thomas, who's been out with a sprained MCL, should be ready for the regular-season opener against Detroit.

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"There would be some concern, although I think very little that he wouldn't be ready for Detroit, at least based on the information now," Payton said." The feeling is he'll be ready for that game and would probably be listed as questionable for Thursday night's [preseason] game."

Payton also said the Saints may consider keeping four running backs on their roster. Thomas and Reggie Bush are locks for roster spots, and Mike Bell seems to be the top candidate for the No. 3 spot on the depth chart.

But Lynell Hamilton and undrafted rookies P.J. Hill and Herb Donaldson each have shown some promise.

"It makes it a tough decision and hopefully we can keep working and training these guys and give them more work next week and gather as much information as we can on them," Payton said.

 
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  Jonathan Vilma is excited about playing for new coordinator Gregg Williams.

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METAIRIE, La. -- By all accounts, Jonathan Vilma resurrected his career with the New Orleans Saints last season. After clashing with coach Eric Mangini with the Jets and enduring an injury, Vilma found a home in the middle of New Orleans' 4-3 defense.

He got back to playing middle linebacker the way he was used to playing it and instantly became the leader of the defense. By Vilma's account, that wasn't nearly good enough.

Personal satisfaction has a way of getting watered down when you're playing on a defense that's not very good. Vilma might have been a bright spot, but the rest of the defense was a dark hole. Nine different times the Saints allowed opponents to score at least 27 points and they lost seven of those games.

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In the process, the defense helped squander a brilliant season by quarterback Drew Brees and the offense. Brees threw for more than 5,000 yards, but it didn't mean much because the defense didn't stop anyone and the Saints finished out of the playoffs for the second straight year.

It's critical the streak doesn't reach three seasons because that would put coach Sean Payton very much on the hot seat. That's why Payton brought in coordinator Gregg Williams to run the defense and encouraged general manager Mickey Loomis to reshuffle the defensive personnel.

Williams' impact has been felt from the first moment he entered the building and it's been obvious out on the practice field.

"The X's and O's are pretty much the same," Vilma said. "But it's a different mindset. It's about letting us play. Coach Williams lets us know it's all right to go out there and make mistakes. It's all right to go out there and be wrong. As long as you're doing it 100 miles per hour, as long as you're hitting somebody, it's all right. We'll go into the meetings and make our corrections there."

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Basically, what the Saints are doing is trading a cautious defensive approach for an aggressive one.

"Everybody's playing with swagger," defensive end Bobby McCray said. "We've got 160-pound cornerbacks looking to knock your head off."

That should be a welcome sight in New Orleans, where there wasn't a lot of hitting last season, and cornerbacks (and safeties) spent most of their time chasing receivers who already had caught the ball. The roles will be different this season.

"It's a lot more man-on-man," said veteran safety Darren Sharper, who was brought in as a free agent to help stabilize the secondary. "You're doing some zone. You're blitzing guys from different directions. That shouldn't be a problem for us. We have no excuses as far as getting to the quarterback. It's a state of mind. You attack the ball. You have 11 guys being aggressive and you make aggressive calls. We're going to be an aggressive, attacking defense."

It's been said that even an average defense might be good enough to get the Saints to the playoffs. But the Saints aren't looking for an average defense. They want more.

"We can be as good as we want to be," Vilma said. "We have the talent. We had the talent last year, but we just didn't make plays. This year, we're focusing on making those plays. The talent is there. It's just a matter of going out and doing it."

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Even with all of the defensive changes, isn't the expected loss of starting defensive ends Charles Grant and Will Smith to suspensions for the first four games going to be very difficult to overcome?

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It's never good to be without your starting defensive ends. But the Saints have had the entire offseason to prepare for this situation.

They brought in veterans Paul Spicer and Anthony Hargrove, and they still have McCray, who might have outplayed the underachieving Grant and Smith last season. The Saints would like to use McCray as a pass-rush specialist once Grant and Smith return, but they believe he can fill a starting role in the short term. They're also very fired up about Hargrove, who appears very focused after having some problems that interrupted his career.

There's even hope that Grant and Smith might be better off in the long run because of the suspensions. Both are very talented, but haven't played up to their ability the past couple of years. The Saints are hoping they'll come back from the suspensions with more motivation than ever.

Can the No. 1 offense be as good as last year?

 
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  Quarterback Drew Brees threw for more than 5,000 yards for the Saints last season.

Heck, it could be even better. Brees' season was remarkable under any circumstances. But a lot of people tend to forget he did all of that with the top three offensive weapons banged up for most of the year. Brees threw for more than 5,000 yards, but didn't have a 1,000-yard receiver or any consistency in the running game.

The 1,000-yard receiver shouldn't be an issue this year. Marques Colston is back at full health and looking absolutely spectacular in training camp. He's the kind of big receiver who should be good for somewhere around 1,200 yards and 10 touchdowns. Throw in tight end Jeremy Shockey, who never was at full strength last year, but is healthy now.

Shockey and Brees look to be developing a strong chemistry in camp. When healthy, Shockey can be one of the league's best tight ends. He didn't catch a touchdown pass last year. He's painfully aware of that and wants to prove he still can find the end zone.

Then there's Reggie Bush. He was off to a very good start as a multi-purpose running back last year, but he got sidetracked by injuries and missed six games.

Can Bush ever live up to the hype he carried coming out of college?

If he stays healthy, yes. Bush will never be the kind of back who runs between the tackles 25 times a game. But that's not what the Saints are looking for. They'll let Pierre Thomas handle most of the carries between the tackles. Bush is a threat to score any time he touches the ball and the Saints will look to get him the ball in space as a runner, receiver and a return man.

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The Saints really were hoping that Dan Morgan or Stanley Arnoux could take over as the starter at weakside linebacker. But Morgan retired in June and Arnoux tore his Achilles tendon in offseason workouts and will miss the season. That means the Saints appear destined to stick with veteran Scott Shanle in a linebacking corps with Vilma and Scott Fujita. Shanle's experienced, but he doesn't make any big plays and lacks great speed. The Saints have been very impressed with young linebackers Anthony Waters and Jonathan Casillas so far in camp. They're raw, but Williams wants aggressiveness and he may take a chance on one of these guys.

 Henderson
 Meachem

Receiver Devery Henderson, who struggled with drops through much of his career, suddenly started catching the ball last season. But the drops have resurfaced during camp and that's not a good sign. With Colston healthy and third-year pro Robert Meachem showing some signs he might live up to his status as a first-round pick in 2007, Henderson could end up as the fourth receiver.

Former Pro Bowl defensive tackle Rod Coleman ended a one-year retirement to make a comeback with the Saints. Coleman hasn't stood out in camp so far, but the Saints will use the preseason games to determine if Coleman has anything left. They'd like to use him as a part-time player on passing downs because he used to be one of the league's top interior rushers.

Newcomer to watch

 
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  Rookie Malcolm Jenkins has to make up for lost time now that he has agreed to terms on a contract.

Top draft pick Malcolm Jenkins ended his holdout late Sunday night. Jenkins is a unique talent, but the holdout could have cost him a shot at a starting cornerback spot. The Saints paid big money to Jabari Greer in free agency and he's set at one starting spot. Tracy Porter has picked up where he left off when an injury ended a promising rookie season and has the edge for the other starting role. Jenkins isn't even guaranteed to land as the nickelback because veterans Randall Gay and Jason David have been playing well in camp.

Observation deck

There still are a lot of fans calling for the Saints to bring in veteran Edgerrin James to be the short-yardage running back, but that doesn't appear likely. First off, James isn't the prototypical short-yardage runner. Second, the Saints might already have their answer. They've been letting undrafted free agents P.J. Hill and Herb Donaldson compete with Mike Bell for this role. All three are true power backs and all three have looked good at times. ... Defensive tackle Sedrick Ellis showed some promise as a rookie, but injuries kept him from being on the field all the time. Ellis is quietly having a very nice camp and the Saints believe he's ready to really become a force in the middle. ... The Saints used a fifth-round draft pick on punter Thomas Morstead, but there's no guarantee he'll win the job. He's in a battle with Glenn Pakulak and, so far, it's a dead heat. ... Williams' base defense is the 4-3, but he started installing a 3-4 package last week. Don't look for the Saints to use the 3-4 a lot. But you could see a fair amount of it early in the season when Smith and Grant are out and the Saints will deal with a shortage of quality defensive linemen.

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It sounds like the Saints' interest in Edgerrin James may be more wishful thinking by fans than it is reality for the team.

Although Sean Payton admitted the organization has at least discussed the veteran running back, the coach made it sound like the Saints aren't strongly interested in James.

Payton told the New Orleans Times-Picayune that nothing is imminent. At very least, it's likely the Saints will go through this weekend's rookie minicamp and take a look at and undrafted free agents P.J. Hill and Herb Donaldson as potential short-yardage backs before making any dramatic moves. Veteran Mike Bell also could be a possibility for that role.

I'm not sure James in New Orleans is as good a fit as a lot of readers think. James has indicated he wants to go to a team where he can play a big role after having reduced playing time in Arizona. The Saints have Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush and just want someone to help with short-yardage carries. I'm not sure James is ready to be just a situational player.

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James Casey is a very intriguing player, a versatile tight end who can run, catch and throw and will prompt questions about whether the Texans will bust out some Wildcat.

He was not asked to block much at Rice -- where the Texans saw him up close -- but Houston drafted Anthony Hill 30 spots earlier and Hill may be the best blocking tight end in the draft.

If these guys pan out, the Texans are loaded at the position, as Owen Daniels is already a Pro Bowler and one of the NFL's most underrated tight ends.

Daniels is a restricted free agent they would like to sign long-term. If he plays this year for the tender offer and the free agency rules are the same next year, he could be able to test the market. If the Texans keep him, they are potentially stacked at the spot. Should he leave, they should be able to withstand the loss.

Casey is a hard guy not to root for, and it will be fun to see how he pans out as a pro and how he is deployed by the Texans.

Houston has three picks left, and one of them should be used on a big running back to pair with Steve Slaton.

A couple guys who may be in the right mold who are still available: Liberty's Rashad Jennings, Wisconsin's P.J. Hill and Texas' Chris Ogbonnaya.

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