#HornsNationDraft: How Teams Were Picked
AUSTIN, Texas -- Lowell Galindo and Kevin Dunn spend way too much time together.
Sean Adams refuses to believe anything happened before 1970.
And picking Dusty Renfro in the 14th round of an all-time Texas football draft would draw a cacophony of guffaws.
So it went during ESPN's first all-time Texas draft last week.
Every time Galindo would pick, Dunn would agonize that he was just about to make that pick, and vice versa. (They work together as hosts at the Longhorn Network and, as such, spend an inordinate amount of time breaking down all things Texas and apparently the walls between each other.)
Every time the opportunity to go deep into Texas' rosters of old presented itself, Adams, a drive-time host on ESPN's 104.9 The Horn and the only one of us with a smidgen of athletic talent or a college background in the game, would go new. (Johnathan Gray as his sneaky last pick).
And every time yours truly picked a 3A linebacker, I was roundly booed. ("Moron" might have been the word used by more than one of my fellow drafters, but I refuse to relive the insults or repeat such harsh words.)
But somehow we all got through it, dodging the hurled insults, shaking our fists at Galindo for taking two linebackers with his first and second picks and laying waste to the middle of everyone's defense, and wondering whether Dunn was reading all his stats from a book or he somehow remembered that Bill Bradley, a recruited quarterback, was actually tried at receiver before ultimately making the switch to defensive back and grabbing four picks in a 35-14 win over Texas A&M in 1969. (Dunn proceeded to break down Bradley's career as secondary coach for the Florida Tuskers, but we all tuned him out.)
Our charge for this draft was rather simple; each participant was to pick 24 players -- a complete roster -- and try to field the best Texas team of all time. Yes, that includes kickers and punters, so Russell Erxleben -- he did both -- was at a premium. (Galindo took him at the start of the 10th round, and Dunn screamed as though he had just spilled hot coffee where you don't want to spill hot coffee. Who knew he could hit the high notes?)
What came through -- again, other than Dunn's Wikipedia-like knowledge of everyone from Hub Bechtol to Bill Atessis -- was that Texas has had enough talent to field seven or eight all-time teams. Bobby Layne was the third quarterback taken, for goodness' sake, and that was in the second round.
There were plenty of players mistakenly overlooked -- more on that later in the week as we break down the hits and misses, but apologies to Doug English -- and some others who caused quite a stir. (See Renfro, Dusty. But not to be outdone, Adams grabbed Kwame Cavil in the 10th.)
Strategies were hit-and-miss in the later rounds, but from the start it was clear that Galindo wanted to get the best players at Texas' weakest positions. That was why he went linebacker with his first two picks and grabbed Tommy Nobis and Derrick Johnson. As we all soon realized, there weren't many choices at that position after those two, save for Robin Sendlein (Dunn got him and had a lengthy explanation about his five forced fumbles in 1978 and that his favorite meal was shrimp scampi and favorite color was blue) and Britt Hager. (Dunn forgot to let us know both Sendlein and Hager wore No. 60. Maybe he did. But, again, we were tuning him out.)
There were debates -- some fairly lengthy for guys (Why wasn't Kiki DeAyala more valued as a player?), some "Judge Judy" quick. (Kicker Phil Dawson, or take running back Chris Gilbert and then a combo kicker/punter? Gilbert wins hands down.)
And in the end, each of us walked away knowing we had picked the best team. (Well, Galindo thought Dunn had the best team and vice versa, but that's just how they roll.) And now the time has come for you to decide, debate and engage as we spend Tuesday unveiling, critiquing and analyzing the selections.
Roundtable: Experts Talk #HornsNationDraft
1. Which player did you want to be certain to get?
Carter Strickland: Texas has been historically horrible at wide receiver, so it was an early priority to grab the best wide receiver in Texas history. That was why at the end of the second round I added Jordan Shipley. The thought was that putting him with Colt McCoy would make for the best quarterback-wide receiver combo of any of the teams. It turns out that thought was correct, as the next receiver taken was Roy Williams, and he was combined with Major Applewhite. After that, Kwame Cavil was selected to pair with Vince Young.
Sean Adams: Regardless of era, I base football around the quarterback, blocking for the quarterback and rushing the quarterback. I knew I needed a great quarterback and leader, and having the second pick, I assumed I would end up with one of the best college quarterbacks ever in Colt McCoy. When he went with the first pick I actually got the player that I coveted most in Vince Young.
Kevin Dunn: I started the process by listing every position 1-10 through my eyes. Then I created a big board of overall players with each position getting a ranking on strength.
Clearly DT and DB were the most loaded. I saw no big difference between my No. 1 DT and the ninth. As much as I would love Casey Hampton and Steve McMichael, the selections of Doug English (18) and Brad Shearer (13) show you how deep the DT position is, as Shearer was an Outland Trophy winner and English was a four-time Pro Bowler. LBs and OTs were light. I knew I could grab some really good LBs (Lyle Sendlein, Sergio Kindle and Scott Henderson) late but wanted the two best offensive tackles in school history. And I got them. Outside of Blake Brockermeyer, I believe the next tackles are significantly downgraded. As loaded as UT's secondary is, I think the top four or five really separate themselves. The top three on my board were Jerry Gray, Raymond Clayborn and Nathan Vasher. I was thrilled and shocked to get all of them. Good luck throwing on us. Because he was my first favorite UT football player, getting Jerry Gray at No. 6 was great. Erxleben was the only combo kicker I would have taken. WR was also slim after Rounds 4-5, so I wanted to get Jordan Shipley/Quan Cosby and either Cotton Speyrer or Mike Adams. I think Cosby is the second-best wideout in school history. He actually produced ... especially when it counted. Outside of Dan Neil, I was fine picking the interior of my O-line late. I had Casey Studdard as a top-four guard, and Roger Roesler and Will Allen were All-Americans. I had the quarterbacks ranked this way: 1) VY 2) Bobby Layne/Colt McCoy. 4) Marty Akins (my sleeper I didn't take because Layne fell into my lap.) 5) Major Applewhite/James Street. Akins was very underrated. Great athlete in a bad system. Lowell must make Erxleben take business ethics classes at McCombs.
Lowell Galindo: I approached this draft with the goal of building a team that would beat the three others in head-to-head competition. To do that I prioritized players by their value compared to others at the position. I believe that Tommy Nobis and Derrick Johnson are clearly the best linebackers in school history with a sizable gap from others in the conversation. It was difficult and perhaps borderline crazy passing up Ricky Williams with the fourth pick, but in taking Nobis and DJ back-to-back, I gave myself easily the biggest edge at any position for a team in this draft. That was also my philosophy with my next two picks: Brian Orakpo and Tony Brackens.
2. Who was your best sleeper pick?
Carter Strickland: Grabbing Noble Doss in the 19th round was probably a pick many did not see coming, since many don't even know who he is. But the two-way player in the 1940s made some of the biggest plays in Texas history. Doss made the "impossible catch" in the 7-0 win over reigning national champ Texas A&M in 1940. That catch snapped the Aggies' nine-game win streak. He might have had an even greater impact on defense. He had 17 career interceptions in an era when the forward pass was hardly embraced by anyone. Those 17 career interceptions are tied for the most in Texas history. Nathan Vasher tied Doss some 63 years later.
Sean Adams: I took running back Shon Mitchell in the 19th round. He's my best sleeper, and it's not even close. In just two seasons, the last in the Southwest Conference and the first in the Big 12, Mitchell rushed for 1,724 yards and 14 touchdowns with an average of 5.9 yards per carry. He also did this in the structure of an ultra-talented backfield that consisted of Ricky Williams and Priest Holmes.
Mitchell played at Texas for only two seasons but is 15th on Texas' all-time list. He averaged 6.2 yards per carry in 1995 and was newcomer of the year in the last year of the Southwest Conference. If he'd had four years in a "normal" backfield, he would shatter every notable record.
Kevin Dunn: I don't think any of us who weren't around to see it can truly understand how dominant Bill Atessis was in college. He was ahead of his time in terms of size and agility -- similar to Walt Patulski at Notre Dame, who was eventually the No. 1 pick. Getting arguably the best running back in college football history to pair with Jamaal Charles was an unexpected gift. All of our boards were so different in terms of who we thought was the best at their position, which made it fun, but "sleeper" is truly in the eye of the beholder. In my opinion, drafting the second- and third-best receivers in UT history -- Cosby at 12 and Speyrer at 15 -- was theft. Getting an edge-rusher like Kiki DeAyala that late was a huge surprise.
Lowell Galindo: Where do I start? Roy Williams falling into my lap with my eighth pick. To put that in perspective, Carter took an unquestioned great in Jordan Shipley at No. 8 overall. But I got a legend in the eighth round! I also had Thorpe winner Aaron Ross gifted to me in the 16th round, but the biggest sleeper of all was Major Applewhite with my second-to-last pick. I knew I wasn't getting VY or Colt, and when Kevin selected Bobby Layne in the second round, I knew I could load up at different positions and select Major late. I think he will be OK with that when he sees the O-line I got for him.
3. What player were you most disappointed to miss out on?
Carter Strickland: Lowell Galindo had an annoying habit of grabbing players just before the next person in line was to select them. In my case, he grabbed Texas' two best linebackers, Tommy Nobis and Derrick Johnson, off the board with his first two picks. The plan had been to take one of those two with my second pick. But since the draft was snaked -- one through four followed by four through one -- they were long gone by the time my pick came along.
Sean Adams: Derrick Johnson is the guy I wish I hadn't missed out on. When Lowell Galindo made the run on linebackers grabbing him and Tommy Nobis, the strength of the position dropped off. I love DJ as a player and leader.
Kevin Dunn: I have to get on my boy LG, who snagged my childhood hero Eric Metcalf. I was planning on using him with Ricky Williams (I didn't think Earl Campbell would fall to me) and splitting him out. He would have finally had some talent around him and a line that could block. Sean got me on Shane Dronett (I tried to talk him out of it with an anecdote, but no go). And finally, my top center on the board was Bill Wyman -- thanks, LG! I really wanted Scott Appleton, Britt Hager and Earl Thomas.
Lowell Galindo: I'll have to direct my aggression toward my friend Sean Adams for a moment. The only two times in the draft I may have put the phone on mute to curse someone's name was because of Sean's selections of Casey Hampton and Bryant Westbrook. Hampton's selection in the third round was easier to take because I believe his value is decreased in this draft thanks to GREAT depth at defensive tackle. Still, he was the top DT on my board. Westbrook was not the top cornerback on my board but is one of my favorite players of all time regardless of sport. His hits on Leeland McElroy and Notre Dame's Randy Kinder are two of the reasons why.
#HornsNationDraft: Complete Results
|Round (Overall Pick)||Selection||General Manager|
|1 (1)||QB Colt McCoy||Carter Strickland|
|1 (2)||QB Vince Young||Sean Adams|
|1 (3)||RB Earl Campbell||Kevin Dunn|
|1 (4)||LB Tommy Nobis||Lowell Galindo|
|2 (5)||LB Derrick Johnson||Lowell Galindo|
|2 (6)||QB Bobby Layne||Kevin Dunn|
|2 (7)||RB Ricky Williams||Sean Adams|
|2 (8)||WR Jordan Shipley||Carter Strickland|
|3 (9)||RB Cedric Benson||Carter Strickland|
|3 (10)||DL Casey Hampton||Sean Adams|
|3 (11)||OL Jerry Sisemore||Kevin Dunn|
|3 (12)||DL Brian Orakpo||Lowell Galindo|
|4 (13)||DL Tony Brackens||Lowell Galindo|
|4 (14)||OL Bob McKay||Kevin Dunn|
|4 (15)||DL Kenneth Sims||Sean Adams|
|4 (16)||OL Bobby Wuensch||Carter Strickland|
|5 (17)||DL Tony Degrate||Carter Strickland|
|5 (18)||OL Dan Neil||Sean Adams|
|5 (19)||DL Bill Atessis||Kevin Dunn|
|5 (20)||RB Eric Metcalf||Lowell Galindo|
|6 (21)||OL Billy Wyman||Lowell Galindo|
|6 (22)||DB Jerry Gray||Kevin Dunn|
|6 (23)||DB Bryant Westbrook||Sean Adams|
|6 (24)||OL Mike Williams||Carter Strickland|
|7 (25)||DL Scott Appleton||Carter Strickland|
|7 (26)||DL Cory Redding||Sean Adams|
|7 (27)||DB Nathan Vasher||Kevin Dunn|
|7 (28)||OL Justin Blalock||Lowell Galindo|
|8 (29)||WR Roy Williams||Lowell Galindo|
|8 (30)||RB Jamaal Charles||Kevin Dunn|
|8 (31)||OL Leonard Davis||Sean Adams|
|8 (32)||DB Earl Thomas||Carter Strickland|
|9 (33)||TE Jermichael Finley||Carter Strickland|
|9 (34)||DB Quentin Jammer||Sean Adams|
|9 (35)||TE David Thomas||Kevin Dunn|
|9 (36)||DL Steve McMichael||Lowell Galindo|
|10 (37)||K/P Russell Erxleben||Lowell Galindo|
|10 (38)||DB Raymond Clayborn||Kevin Dunn|
|10 (39)||WR Kwame Cavil||Sean Adams|
|10 (40)||DL Marcus Tubbs||Carter Strickland|
|11 (41)||OL Doug Dawson||Carter Strickland|
|11 (42)||DB Kenny Vaccaro||Sean Adams|
|11 (43)||DE/LB Sergio Kindle||Kevin Dunn|
|11 (44)||OL Johnathan Scott||Lowell Galindo|
|12 (45)||DB Johnnie Johnson||Lowell Galindo|
|12 (46)||WR Quan Cosby||Kevin Dunn|
|12 (47)||LB Britt Hager||Sean Adams|
|12 (48)||LB Bruce Scholtz||Carter Strickland|
|13 (49)||DL Lamarr Houston||Carter Strickland|
|13 (50)||DL Shane Dronett||Sean Adams|
|13 (51)||DL Brad Shearer||Kevin Dunn|
|13 (52)||LB/G Johnny Treadwell||Lowell Galindo|
|14 (53)||OL/DL Bud McFadin||Lowell Galindo|
|14 (54)||LB Kiki DeAyala||Kevin Dunn|
|14 (55)||OL Blake Brockermeyer||Sean Adams|
|14 (56)||LB Dusty Renfro||Carter Strickland|
|15 (57)||RB Roosevelt Leaks||Carter Strickland|
|15 (58)||OL Lyle Sendlein||Sean Adams|
|15 (59)||WR Cotton Speyrer||Kevin Dunn|
|15 (60)||DT Shaun Rogers||Lowell Galindo|
|16 (61)||DB Aaron Ross||Lowell Galindo|
|16 (62)||OL Kasey Studdard||Kevin Dunn|
|16 (63)||DB Michael Huff||Sean Adams|
|16 (64)||OL Mike Baab||Carter Strickland|
|17 (65)||OL Bob Simmons||Carter Strickland|
|17 (66)||LB Aaron Harris||Sean Adams|
|17 (67)||LB Robin Sendlein||Kevin Dunn|
|17 (68)||DB Michael Griffin||Lowell Galindo|
|18 (69)||TE Pat Fitzgerald||Lowell Galindo|
|18 (70)||DL Doug English||Kevin Dunn|
|18 (71)||WR Mike Adams||Sean Adams|
|18 (72)||WR Alfred Jackson||Carter Strickland|
|19 (73)||DB Noble Doss||Carter Strickland|
|19 (74)||RB Shon Mitchell||Sean Adams|
|19 (75)||DB Bill Bradley||Kevin Dunn|
|19 (76)||WR Lam Jones||Lowell Galindo|
|20 (77)||RB Chris Gilbert||Lowell Galindo|
|20 (78)||K Phil Dawson||Kevin Dunn|
|20 (79)||OL Derrick Dockery||Sean Adams|
|20 (80)||K/P Justin Tucker||Carter Strickland|
|21 (81)||RB James Sexton||Carter Strickland|
|21 (82)||TE Bo Scaife||Sean Adams|
|21 (83)||LB Scott Henderson||Kevin Dunn|
|21 (84)||DB Cedric Griffin||Lowell Galindo|
|22 (85)||DB Rod Babers||Lowell Galindo|
|22 (86)||OL Roger Roesler||Kevin Dunn|
|22 (87)||DB Aaron Williams||Sean Adams|
|22 (88)||DB Mossy Cade||Carter Strickland|
|23 (89)||DB Jack Crain||Carter Strickland|
|23 (90)||K/P Hunter Lawrence||Sean Adams|
|23 (91)||OL Will Allen||Kevin Dunn|
|23 (92)||QB Major Applewhite||Lowell Galindo|
|24 (93)||RB/FB Steve Worster||Lowell Galindo|
|24 (94)||P John Teltschik||Kevin Dunn|
|24 (95)||RB Johnathan Gray||Sean Adams|
|24 (96)||LB D.D. Lewis||Carter Strickland|
Carter Strickland's Team
Carter Strickland joined ESPN.com in 2011 after covering the University of Georgia for Atlanta Journal-Constitution, the University of Oklahoma for The (Oklahoma City) Oklahoman and Washington State University for The (Spokane, Wash.) Spokesman-Review. Strickland lives with his wife and family in Austin.
QB: Colt McCoy
RB: Cedric Benson
RB: James Sexton
RB: Roosevelt Leaks
WR: Jordan Shipley
WR: Alfred Jackson
TE: Jermichael Finley
OL: Bobby Wuensch
OL: Mike Williams
OL: Mike Baab
OL: Bob Simmons
OL: Doug Dawson
DL: Tony Degrate
DL: Scott Appleton
DL: Marcus Tubbs
DL: Lamarr Houston
LB: Bruce Scholtz
LB: Dusty Renfro
LB: D.D. Lewis
DB: Noble Doss
DB: Earl Thomas
DB: Mossy Cade
DB: Jack Crain
P/K: Justin Tucker
Sean Adams' Team
Sean Adams has covered the Texas Longhorns and college football for the past 12 years as a writer and radio host. Adams co-hosts "The Big Show" with Erin Hogan each afternoon on ESPN Austin 104.9 The Horn. He lives with his family in Round Rock, Texas.
QB: Vince Young
RB: Ricky Williams
RB: Shon Mitchell
RB: Johnathan Gray
WR: Mike Adams
WR: Kwame Cavil
TE: Bo Scaife
OL: Blake Brockermeyer
OL: Lyle Sendlein
OL: Dan Neil
OL: Leonard Davis
OL: Derrick Dockery
DL: Shane Dronett
DL: Casey Hampton
DL: Kenneth Sims
DL: Cory Redding
LB: Aaron Harris
LB: Britt Hager
DB: Michael Huff
DB: Aaron Williams
DB: Bryant Westbrook
DB: Quentin Jammer
DB: Kenny Vaccaro
P/K: Hunter Lawrence
Kevin Dunn's Team
Kevin Dunn is a native of Austin and a UT graduate. For the past two years he has been a reporter and on-air host for the Longhorn Network. Before that he worked with CBS College Sports. Dunn was also a talk show host on Austin's Sports Radio 1300 "The Zone" for five years.
QB: Bobby Layne
RB: Earl Campbell
RB: Jamaal Charles
WR: Quan Cosby
WR: Cotton Speyrer
TE: David Thomas
OL: Jerry Sisemore
OL: Bob McKay
OL: Roger Roesler
OL: Will Allen
OL: Casey Studdard
DL: Bill Atessis
DL: Doug English
DL/LB: Sergio Kindle
DL: Brad Shearer
LB: Scott Henderson
LB: Kiki DeAyala
LB: Robin Sendlein
DB: Bill Bradley
DB: Jerry Gray
DB: Nathan Vasher
DB: Raymond Clayborn
K: Phil Dawson
P: John Teltschik
Lowell Galindo's Team
Lowell Galindo is the host of numerous studio shows for Longhorn Network including "Texas GameDay" and "Game Plan with Mack Brown." Galindo left his position as lead host of ESPNU for a chance to work closely with the program he's followed since his childhood in San Antonio.
QB: Major Applewhite
RB/FB: Steve Worster
RB: Eric Metcalf
RB: Chris Gilbert
WR: Lam Jones
WR: Roy Williams
TE: Pat Fitzgerald
OL: Bill Wyman
OL: Justin Blalock
OL: Johnny Treadwell
OL: Bud McFadin
OL: Jonathan Scott
DL: Brian Orakpo
DL: Tony Brackens
DL: Steve McMichael
DL: Shaun Rogers
LB: Tommy Nobis
LB: Derrick Johnson
DB: Johnnie Johnson
DB: Aaron Ross
DB: Michael Griffin
DB: Cedric Griffin
DB: Rod Babers
K/P: Russell Erxleben
Five notable Longhorns who went undrafted
1. Brian Robison, defensive end: An underrated high school player who exploded onto the scene at Texas mainly because of his explosive legs at the defensive end spot, Robison was an integral part of Texas' 2005 national title by leading the team in tackles for loss (14) and sacks (seven). He also holds the record for blocked kicks with six.
2. Stanley Richard, defensive back: Texas has had a long line of defensive backs. so missing out on one in a 24-round draft is not a huge shock. But Richard was a former All-American and, in 1988, had six interceptions.
3. Harley Sewell, lineman: Played on both sides of the line but maybe was best known for the 1953 Cotton Bowl, when Texas held Tennessee to six first downs and minus-14 rushing yards. He was named the MVP of that game.
4. Priest Holmes, running back: When he was healthy, Holmes was unstoppable. The issue with Holmes was he had only 252 career carries at Texas, so that limited his production numbers. Holmes has become a much bigger name in the NFL than he was at Texas. Still, he would have been a solid complement to any of the four backfields.
5. Kerry Cash, tight end: While the wide receiver pool has been shallow at Texas, the Longhorns have been blessed with some productive tight ends. Cash is high on that list. He finished his career with 71 career receptions, fifth-most among tight ends, and had 979 career yards, also fifth-most among tight ends.
- Carter Strickland
Colt McCoy Over Vince Young?
Carter Strickland explains why he drafted Colt McCoy No. 1 overall instead of Vince Young.
Drafting first can be a burden, especially when Colt McCoy, Vince Young and Bobby Layne are available.
In the end, and after much consultation with Mel Kiper Jr., the decision was made to go with McCoy first. The reason was this: Texas has not had a storied history of wide receivers. That being the case, it was imperative to grab a quarterback who made receivers better through his accuracy and ability to throw them open. McCoy is that guy.
In addition, McCoy has some running ability. Now, while it is not as great as Young's, he did lead the team in rushing one year (2008, with 561 yards). Also, by adding Jordan Shipley in the second round, it assured the team of having the best quarterback-wide receiver combo in school history.
Oh, and McCoy won a few games while he was at Texas, too.
Which Current Horns Could Make This Team In The Future?
Johnathan Gray, after just one year of shared carries at Texas, found a spot on the all-time Texas team. But no other current player made the cut.
But, like always, there is talent at Texas. Some of it might even become transcendent. Here is a look at four players from the current roster who might make an all-time Texas team in the future.
Mike Davis, wide receiver: The rising senior is already seventh in all-time receiving yards (2,026) and receptions (149). With Texas going to a spread offense and wanting go 84 plays a game, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Davis could get 100 catches and 1,000 yards this season. If he did that, Davis would be the career leader in receptions -- Jordan Shipley has 248 -- and be fourth behind Mike Adams for all-time receiving yards.
Malcom Brown, defensive tackle: Brown should emerge as the top defensive tackle on the current Texas roster this season. He might not get enough snaps to pile up huge numbers since Texas has four defensive tackles and plans on rotating those players. But he could have as much of an impact on the game as many of the defensive tackles who came before him were in their days at Texas.
Peter Jinkens, linebacker: Like wide receiver, this has been a historically weak position for Texas. Jinkens burst on the scene as a freshman. Now he has become an integral part of the scheme. He should be able to pile up tackles in what has become a fast-paced Big 12, therefore allowing him to have similar stats to other linebackers such as Kike DeAyala and Robin Sendlein.
Quandre Diggs, defensive back: Diggs should be another in the long list of defensive backs who made his mark and left Texas early. While not an imposing figure at just 5-foot-10 on the corner, Diggs does carry some pop with his pads and can lock down one side of the field. Texas will be moving Diggs inside on nickel this year to get more out of him.
- Carter Strickland