Eric Dickerson and Craig James will forever be linked.
Linked in college football lore for their prolific offense known as "The Pony Express," in which the two star running backs worked out a system to rotate and share carries.
Linked in the public perception to the infamy of the Southern Methodist University football program's pay-for-play scandal, which ended up earning the program the NCAA's "death penalty."
And nearly 30 years later, they're back together, talking about the new 30 for 30 film "Pony Excess," which tells the story of the SMU program's rise and fall, and its hope for a rise again. The documentary airs Saturday night at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN after the Heisman Trophy presentation.
The old teammates talked about the film this week at ESPN and still easily work as a tandem. They finish each other's sentences, laugh at each other's jokes and perhaps even keep each other's secrets.
Some of them, you would expect they'd keep after 30 years. Like the mystery of where the new Trans Am came from that Dickerson started driving shortly before arriving at SMU.
"My grandmother bought that for me," Dickerson says softly, smiling and shaking his head.
"I said in the film, Eric will be underground with concrete on top of him ... and he's not saying anything," James said.
"There's nothing to tell," Dickerson repeats, again with a smile.
But both James and Dickerson say the film will help to tell the full story, to prove that coach Ron Meyer was the key reason they went to SMU and was responsible for the team's rise.