Chat with KC Joyner
Welcome to SportsNation! On Thursday, ESPN Insider KC Joyner, will be here to answer your NFL questions.
Joyner, aka The Football Scientist, uses game film to track, tabulate and analyze nearly every measurable statistic in an NFL game. He is a regular Insider contributor and has his own website at thefootballscientist.com.
Send your questions now and join KC Thursday at 4 p.m. ET!
KC Joyner (4:00 PM)
Good afternoon! Let's talk some football!
QPD (Pomona, CA) [via mobile]
How much do you buy into the Wonderlific Test and Tim Tebow's score of 22? I mean both Dan Marino and Jim Kelly scored a 14 and they had successful careers! Do you think this is just another useless measurement to gauge talent in the NFL Draft process like I do?
KC Joyner (4:01 PM)
I wouldn't go so far as to call it useless, as it does measure the level of book learning a QB has. Not exactly the most useful measurement to have but it doesn't hurt.
Dale Doback (DC)
Can you explain (in detail) why you think Brandon Marshall is so overrated? Dude catches mad passes! It seems that your argument is that he's not a deep threat & doesn't kill top CBs; but isn't he the ideal big, strong, possession WR?
KC Joyner (4:03 PM)
My beef with Marshall has boiled down to that he is given kudos for his reception and yardage totals. Those kudos usually say he is an elite WR but his low YPA shows that the high volume of catches and yards are simply a byproduct of being thrown the ball a ridiculous number of times.
Zach (Bronx, NY)
Nnamdi is staring the Texans in the face - hello shut down CB's put you over the top and they don't grow on trees. KC, do something!!!!!
KC Joyner (4:04 PM)
Would that I could. Nnamdi to Houston could be the Mike Haynes signing of the 2010s - a CB who puts a team over the top to winning a Super Bowl title.
Greg (Cleveland, OH)
KC, dying to hear your thoughts on Dunta Robinson. I know he was terrible last year, but is there anything (type of coverage, tackling, etc) he does that is valuable? Did Houston mis-use his talent/style, or did the Falcons burn themselves looking at pre-ACL film?
KC Joyner (4:06 PM)
Greg, Dunta's numbers have been pretty much subpar every time I've graded him. He is a hard nosed tackler who will throw himself around but that isn't enough of a reason to offset his lack of coverage skills. Atlanta needed to do something to upgrade their CBs but I don't think this will be a homerun move.
So I guess the question is are the Dolphins better with Gibril Wilson at safety or nobody. Any options out there for free safety for Miami that you would recommend?
KC Joyner (4:08 PM)
I'll just put it this way - the Eagles are likely to make a good FS out of former CB Marlin Jackson and the Fins still won't have a good FS if they go back to Wilson. Cover FSs are not the hardest find to make in FA or the draft and if Miami doesn't come up with one, they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
What do you think of the moves holmgren is making.
KC Joyner (4:09 PM)
I like that he has been decisive at the QB spot. No use trying to go with the former QBs if you don't think they have what it takes.
J.B. (Dunmore, PA)
So the Browns are looking to trade the Less than Mighty Quinn. Is there a team where you can see him as a decent fit?
KC Joyner (4:10 PM)
I can see him fitting in with a lot of teams. He's an intelligent, hard working QB who has NFL level physical skills. A lot of positive traits make him a very good QB prospect in just about any system.
Does a healthy Marlin Jackson solve the problem at Free Safety?
KC Joyner (4:11 PM)
His coverage metrics have always been solid, so I'm not concerned about that part of his game. The concern is if Philly tries to use him as a hybrid box/cover safety like they used to use Dawkins. Not sure he can or should be asked to handle that physicality.
Greg (Cleveland, OH)
Thanks for the answer, KC, which leads to two follow-up questions: 1. does that mean Houston misapplied his talent (Dimitroff reportedly scouted Robinson while working for NE)? 2. was Chris Houston even worth Detroit's picks, or was he bound for the waiver wire?
KC Joyner (4:13 PM)
I don't want to knock Houston too much for his play but I think they may have thought he was better than what he was and didn't push him hard enough to try to step his game up. Detroit needs CBs badly and paying the price to get Chris Houston probably makes sense given that it assures he hits their roster.
KC,long time for me, always read the archives but havent been live in a while. Hope you're doing well. ANyway prior to any trade you wrote that Kerry Rhodes was being misused but when used effectively he is an elite safety. I loved re-reading that after teh Cards traded for him (ive always liked him). Im curious as to how you think his skill set and Adrian Wilsons compliment each other?
KC Joyner (4:15 PM)
Thanks for keeping up on the archives and good to have you back in the chat! Rhodes and Wilson are both rare in that they can cover and fill the box well and that gives the Cards the ability to do a lot of things with their D that other defenses can't.
KC, the browns vs a 52 member squad composed of kittens with broken thumbs....who wins?
KC Joyner (4:16 PM)
Do kittens have thumbs?
Is Antonio Cromartie the answer for the jets at cornerback? This trade to me seems like it could backfire like the lito sheppard trade did this past season.
KC Joyner (4:17 PM)
The reason the Lito move didn't work is that he didn't post enough picks. NY wanted turnover production out of him and he simply didn't give it to them. Cromartie is just as good of a ballhawk as Sheppard so I understand why the Jets made this move. Not sure it will be worth it, as Cromartie's coverage metrics tend to drop big time when he goes overboard to get picks.
Based on your tweets, it didn't seem you were a fan of the Mason signing for the Ravens, can you talk more about it? Thanks
KC Joyner (4:19 PM)
First let me say thanks for following me on Twitter (@kcjoynertfs). Mason and Boldin are cut from the same cloth talent wise and I just don't think a team does well when it overstocks on possession receivers. They are both quality short pass targets but there are only so many of those throws to go around.
KC my man! Would Holt be a good Bears signing? What WR should they go for?
KC Joyner (4:21 PM)
Holt's numbers last year were actually solid (YPA in the low-mid 7s if memory serves correct). The Bears could use a leader to help the other WRs improve and that is something Holt is superb at. He also is a master of the Martz offense. I think he'd be a fantastic add to that roster.
Do you think the Redskin's approach will pay off. I guess the ultimate question is, Is superior coaching more important than talent on the team?
KC Joyner (4:23 PM)
That old maxim that players win games is on the money. The Skins issue is that they haven't graded players very well over the years but Shanahan has a solid history there, so I'm not willing to write the team off just yet.
Would Jason Allen going to free safety again make any sense. Any confidence in Clemons to take over in year 2? How about Sean Smith or Will Allen moving? Miami needs to figure this out and add a DT and I'll have some confidence for next year.
KC Joyner (4:25 PM)
I'd applaud the Allen to FS move if they were to go that route. Not so sold on Clemons. I'd start Davis and Allen (assuming he's healthy) and try Smith as the slot CB.
Buffaloed (DeLand, FL)
If you were heading up the Bills' front office, what would your priorities and overall strategy be for 2010?
KC Joyner (4:27 PM)
Improving and stabilizing the O line is priority one. I'd also stop going for smaller players on D. Bulking up on that side of the ball is the only way their run D is going to improve enough for them to stop the great run blocking O lines that populate the AFC East.
As a Steelers fan, I applaud the Randel El signing from a nostalgic perspective, but I wonder how much it actually helps the team. Would this be a sign that the team would actually pass more or say go into more 4 wr sets, or could this possibly stunt the growth of Mike Wallace?
KC Joyner (4:28 PM)
My guess is that the Steelers will try to use Randle El in the way they used him in his previous Pittsburgh run. They never asked him to be the every play go to starter but rather tried to find ways to use his home run skills where they could. I don't think it will impact Wallace in a negative way.
Ok, serious question: lately, there has been alot of shifting around in the Browns' front office. If Mangini and Holmgren can get things back on track, how long will it be until the Browns' have a winning season and make the playoffs?
KC Joyner (4:33 PM)
We never did get the answer to whether kittens have thumbs. The Browns issue really hasn't been a lack of talent the past few years. They might have issues along that line now (no WRs other than the underrated Massaquoi) but if they can solve that issue, I think the Browns could be a playoff contender within two years.
JaMarcus Russell (The couch)
Two part question--1. Isn't my arm strength inversely proportional to my ability to read defenses, and 2. Was the law of diminishing returns inspired by my waistline?
KC Joyner (4:33 PM)
Taking a scientific approach to grading the work ethic of Russell, eh?
Cosmo (Anytown, USA)
Can you let the Eagles know that I also blew out my ACL last year? Maybe they want to sign me too. Is this just the Eagles trying to get away cheap again with the M. Jackson signing?
KC Joyner (4:35 PM)
Consider this Cosmo's PR release for a spot as a FS in the NFL. Seriously, though, I do like the Jackson signing as long his knees hold up. I assume the Eagles did due diligence on that and that he passed those tests.
Pete (South Philly)
KC in your opinion should the Eagles trade McNabb or keep him? What is McNabb worth if the Eagles do trade him?
KC Joyner (4:36 PM)
I think they should keep him because they have a roster that is capable of making a Super Bowl run and he gives them the best chance along those lines. Having said that, Philly always takes a long term approach to these things, so it isn't a given that he'll stay in Philly.
Do you think Quinn would be a good fit under Shanahan for the right price?
KC Joyner (4:37 PM)
Absolutely, but if they are going to go in that direction, I would ask why not stick with Campbell? He has a lot of the same skills as Quinn and has performed well whenever his situation has been stable.
KC, with the Jets getting Cromartie, people have claimed that they now have the best CB duo in the NFL. But would that truly be better than, say, the Bengals? I have to say that Hall and Joseph are pretty formidable...
KC Joyner (4:39 PM)
I'd take Hall and Joseph over Revis and Cromartie because of Cromartie's consistency issues. Hall and Joseph were both very consistently good last year.
Ed Hochuli (The fifty yardline)
Personal foul-- your answer implied that JaMarcus Russell HAS a work ethic. That's a fifteen yard penalty. Repeat first down.
KC Joyner (4:39 PM)
I was hoping the chat ref would make an appearance today!
J.B. (Dunmore, PA)
Is Russell to Heyward-Bey the worst ever QB/WR tandem ever drafted in the first round by the same team?
KC Joyner (4:40 PM)
As it stands right now the answer would have to be yes. That might change in 2010, however, as I'd be surprised if at least one of those two don't take a significant step forward.
KC, do you see any LBs in this upcoming draft that you would deem a "tackling machine"? Someone that can approach 100 tackles in the right system?
KC Joyner (4:42 PM)
McClain can be that if he plays like he did in the Kentucky game. That was the most amazing performance I saw in all of the Draft Lab series player breakdowns.
Cosmo (Anytown, USA)
Have the Pete Rose PJ's been dusted off for Spring Training yet? The boys are looking good. Let your son know that Phils fans are not used to this.
KC Joyner (4:45 PM)
My eldest was actually wearing them yesterday. I'll pass along your note, as we don't see much of the Phillies here in Florida.
John T (Eagan, Mn)
Please explain to my friend that Lito Sheppard is exactly what the Vikings do NOT need for their defensive scheme. Thank you.
KC Joyner (4:48 PM)
If Lito were to give the Vikings the 6.5 YPA he gave the Jets last year, I'd be inclined to agree with your friend. If he gives them the coverage liability he was every year before 2009, I'd be inclined to agree with you.
Brandon (Bellevue, WA)
When are you going to get to Okung in your Draft Lab series? I have been waiting for about a month for you to answer who you believe is the best OT in this draft class (you said that you needed to do Okung before you gave an answer).
KC Joyner (4:49 PM)
Brandon, I hate to say it but the Draft Lab series is finished for this year. It's as much a time issue as anything, as this is the time of year when I work on the pro tapes.
J.B. (Dunmore, PA)
Should I get my order in for the Minnesota Vikings LT jersey or just pull the old Brent McClanahan out and throw it in the wash?
KC Joyner (4:51 PM)
A Brent McClanahan reference - didn't think I'd see one of those in a chat! Sticking with the retro theme, I can't let this chat pass without sending along condolences to the Merlin Olsen family. He was one of my favorite announcers and was one of the all-time best DTs in NFL history.
Ryan (San Diego)
Cromartie is nothing better than an average cornerback with nonexistent run support skills. Good riddance and I'm glad NY has to deal with him now
KC Joyner (4:53 PM)
Ryan, I respect your opinion regarding the Chargers and that didn't change with this post. Cromartie can be a great player but he's inconsistent as heck and the NY defense will be challenged to change that.
Just wondering, what is Mrs. Scientist cooking today?
KC Joyner (4:55 PM)
She tells me it is chicken and 15 bean soup - something new on the menu at Chez Joyner.
LT (San Diego, CA)
What team do you think I sign with? Am I a better fit in the Jets or Vikings offense? Do you think that I can still effective?
KC Joyner (4:57 PM)
Today's Contrarian Thoughts article has a section on LT that shows he has one skill set that would make a great fit for either the Vikings or the Jets.
Matt (Spokane, WA)
The Bears drafted Curtis Enis & Cade McNown back-to-back in the first round. That's pretty bad...
KC Joyner (4:58 PM)
That's a pretty bad back to back set of picks. We should turn this into a contest.
Richard (Greensboro, NC)
You should post the nights recipe at the end of each chat!
KC Joyner (4:59 PM)
You know, I think I'll start doing that. End each chat with Dinner with Mrs. Scientist.
15 beans total or 15 different kinds of beans??
KC Joyner (5:01 PM)
15 different kinds of beans. Tons of flavor. I'll post it up in next week's chat. Well, the hour once again flew by because of great questions from everyone. Before I go, I should once again mention that you can follow my material (and shoot me material related questions) via Twitter at kcjoynertfs. Hope to see you all next week!
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