Chat about Page 2's Most Overrated
David Schoenfield (4:58 PM)
OK, let's get started. I helped compile the Page 2 overrated lists with writer Jeff Merron and other Page 2 staff members (who wish to remain anonymous to protect themselves from angry users.) But I'm ready to enter the fray!
Ryan Badger - Raleigh, NC
You've got to be kidding me, Nolan Ryan, on the list?? It should be Jeff "Moron" after seeing Ryan on the list. Ryan's worst seasons came on a pathetic team (California) when he was still learning to pitch (vs. throw) and harness his incredible talent. He should have won the Cy-Young in 1981 with a 1.69 ERA, but the season was shortened due to the strike. His longevity and dominance keep him FAR from the "overrated" list!
David Schoenfield (5:02 PM)
Let's get right to Mr. Legend himself, Nolan Ryan, winner of No Cy Young Awards and loser of 292 games. The simple fact is that most fans think Ryan was the greatest pitcher ever. He wasn't. And the lack of Cy Youngs is perfect evidence. As are the 292 losses and 2,800 walks. A great pitcher, a freak, an amazing guy to watch ... but not one of the 10 greatest pitchers ever, let alone the greatest.
Joey M. (New York)
Derek Jeter may be overpaid and overrated, but come playoff time who else can save a run with a beatiful cutoff play to get the runner at home? Jeter is clutch. Plus, he plays for the boss, who just so happens to have the biggest wallet in sports. But, who can blame George for spending all this money if it works? At least when he spends tons of money on players it works...unlike 2 other New York teams I know (see Rangers and Mets).
David Schoenfield (5:04 PM)
Did you watch last year's playoffs when the Angels kept hitting singles past Jeter because he has no range to his left? Where was the clutch defense then? Jeter is a great player, but not the greatest SS around as many would have you think. And his big contract will become an albatross in a few years if he continues to decline.
Chris Maier, Dallas, TX
how could you leave off one of the all-time flops? harold miner aka baby jordan...what a joke
David Schoenfield (5:05 PM)
Baby Jordan's name did come up in our discussions of overrated. But as you said, maybe we need a new list of all-time flops.
Keith - Bow, WA
Dude, Brian Bosworth HAS to be at least on your dishonorable mention. Why let this guy off the hook?
David Schoenfield (5:06 PM)
Keith -- Great call. An absolute oversight on our part. Let's take Deion (8-time Pro Bowler) off the list and add the Boz, who I think is still hurting from the time Bo Jackson ran over him.
jeter isnt over rated, arod is, arod is the most overrated player in history, no mad is EVER worth $250,000,000.
David Schoenfield (5:07 PM)
But Jeter is worth $189,000,000? C'mon, John, you have to make a better argument than that. Jeter stays on the list.
I thought Derek Jeter and closers as a class were brilliant picks for overrated...DJ has been clutch but is nowere near as valuable as perceived. And closers especially smoltz and Gafgne get way too much tv time for throwing 3 batters out three times a week...
David Schoenfield (5:09 PM)
Thank you for you support. I thought one of the biggest jokes of last year was all this talk about John Smoltz for Cy Young and MVP. Grrr ...
Scottie Pippen is left out. Only one reason why he WAS good...MJ. 50 Greatest? I prefer to call it 49 greatest, plus Scottie.
Tom, Ann Arbor
What don't people understand? Overrated means simply, this person is NOT as good as most think; People largely call Ryan one of the top 5... He's probably more like top20, pretty damn impressive, but overrated.. with that said, how was Ben Wallace even considered to be overrated? yeah, yeah, i know, he can't score, etc... but is he "rated that highly". He was an All-Star largely due to the absence of ANY good Centers/Power Forwards in the Eastern Conference... Weren't we discussing two years ago how "underrated" guys like Wallace are? I'd say a guy that scores less than 7 a game in the pivot spot, and STILL can guide his team to the number one spot on the league shouldn't be overrated...
David Schoenfield (5:11 PM)
I did nominate Ben Wallace, but got veteod. Remember when a certain national magazine tried to pump him up for MVP? C'mon! No guy who scores so little is close to being the MVP.
Ben, Upper Saddle River,New Jersey
Did you talk about jason sehorn on this list at all? An all time flop could be hideki irabu.
David Schoenfield (5:12 PM)
Sehorn is a great candidate. Lots of publicity for a guy who's been to, what, one Pro Bowl? But we left him off the list for snaring Angie Harmon.
Brandon (Naples: FL)
Tony Stewart? I saw this guy drive a tractor trailor truck through a cone course in Charlotte, NC and not hit a single one. Vince Cart is and should be the number one bust. Why is it that just because someone can dunk they're considered a great player? Lebron James will join this list soon.
David Schoenfield (5:14 PM)
Of course, we are forgetting that Vince was pretty darn good until injuries set in the last couple of years. But why did fans vote him to start the All-Star Game? As you said, they love the dunk.
Jack from Texas
Losses dont matter if your ERA is below 3 as many of him 15+ loss seasons were. So in no way is he overatted. All this does is take away from one of the world best 10 pitchers ever. I think you guys have disgraced his name and yours.
David Schoenfield (5:19 PM)
Back to Nolan Ryan! Times in the top 5 in his league in ERA (and remember, he spent a lot of time in the Astrodome, a GREAT pitcher's park): 5 Some others: Tom Seaver: 7 Roger Clemens: 10 Jim Palmer: 10 Greg Maddux: 10 and I'm not even getting to the older guys like Lefty Grove, Warren Spahn, Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson. Again, just because somebody can do something nobody else does (like pitch until 47 years old), doesn't mean he's the greatest.
Mariel: (Baton Rouge, LA)
'Nique Wilkins, does not deserve to be on that list. He had a stellar career, it just happened during his prime about 15 of the greatest players of all time where in their prime. He isnt the only of of them who never got a championship. Maybe because his career took a down fall after he got traded by the Clippers...but still definently not overrated. HE WASNT EVEN 50 greatest players ever...and Pete Mav was?
the most overrated athlete is LeBust James. Is he actually a messiah or a media creation? He's already flopped before he's played a game. How can anybody possible achieve the goal of being better than Michael Jordan.
Garett from Colorado
As soon as Vince Carter is injured everyone calls him overrated, but when he is healthy he is "Vinsanity!" Why not focus on Anna or is she too fine to be considered overrated?
David Schoenfield (5:20 PM)
About Nolan Ryan, don't the no hitters make up for the losses?
David Schoenfield (5:21 PM)
Why would that be? No-hitters make him a legend and an icon, but they're still just seven wins.
franky d, non texan
David, who is the most over rated in your book?
David Schoenfield (5:22 PM)
For all time, I think I'd go with Ryan and Rose. Again, these are great, great players. BUT, the average fan overrates their actual on-field abilities and production. And there's nothing wrong with that.
David Schoenfield (5:23 PM)
Actually, I'll change my vote. Joe Namath, who topped our list is a great No. 1. He fits the criteria: 1. Played in NY 2. Had a flash of brilliance, not sustained brilliance. 3. Had a great personality that the media loved
Ron (Bronx, NY)
I don't know anyone that considers Ryan the greatest or even in the Top5 among pitchers. He is a great pitcher that deserves his fame. For someone like you to mark him as over-rated is a disgrace. I hope he pounds on your head like you were Robin Ventura
David Schoenfield (5:24 PM)
We've done polls here at ESPN.com asking fans the greatest pitcher even and Ryan always wins.
If you make that comment for Rose, how bout for Ripkin? Watching him play in the end of his career, he was dragging down the O's with even less production than Rose had. At that point, it was just to beat Gehrig's record...
David Schoenfield (5:26 PM)
I think you make a fair argument. Certain players -- like Ripken, Ryan, Rose -- become such icons that we forget they have aged and aren't as productive as they once were.
NOT EAST COAST
Your polls at espn.com don't mean jack. Too many east coasters that know nothing log on and vote all the time. Get a real method of measuring data.
David Schoenfield (5:27 PM)
Well, then, we will continue to run these lists to educate all them East Coast morons.
I don't see how Anna K is overrated at all. Pretty much everyone things she is a terrible tennis player...and she is. Now she may be overrated as to her looks, no argument there, but the fact that she is beating Vince carter in the elite 8 as being overrated makes no sense to me...
Joseph (Nashville, TN)
Let's add Kobey Bryant to the list. He has been in the league for a while. He did not win Rookie of the year. He has no MVP trophies. He has never led the league in scoring, rebounding, assists, or steals. Is he really worth the title of best player on the planet?
David Schoenfield (5:30 PM)
Wait, you can't knock him for not winning Rookie of the Year when he was 17 years old. As for the rest of your argument, a lot of people agree. Maybe we should have considered him.
David what have you ever done sports wise to be able to call us out like that? Do you have 5,000 strike outs, 4,000 hits, four world series rings, ran for over 2,000 yards, or 3 Super Bowl rings. If you don't you should take your list and shove it.
David Schoenfield (5:31 PM)
I once hit two home runs in a little league game. Is that enough?
Adam Chicago, IL
Marty Brodeur? He only sees 19 shots a night but many consider him a great goaltender. What's up with that?
David Schoenfield (5:31 PM)
I guess the three Stanley Cups have everybody fooled.
Joseph, you been livin' up in the Appalachians for the past four years? Kobey won THREE NBA titles. And no, Shaq nasty could NOT have done it on his on.
Matt (Dayton, OH)
You said Erstad was the worst-hitting center fielder in the AL. Last time I looked he was hitting .283, despite injuries. Don't you think you guys were being a little harsh on Erstad, who isn't really hyped up enough to be overrated?
David Schoenfield (5:33 PM)
Erstad has a decent batting average, but doesn't get on base enough since he doesn't walk and doesn't hit for much power. Maybe he's just overpaid more than overhyped. (And he is a great defensive CFer.)
Jake, San Diego
And one more thing, his scoring was just under T-Mac's. He is a better defender than T-Mac. So make sure you put T-Mac on that list before Kobe.
Brian jefferson city, mo
Deion could do some great things but when can't tackle a girl scout, that is pretty pathetic.
David Schoenfield (5:34 PM)
We were talking about Deion today in the office and our NFL guys were strong in the opinion that Deion shouldn't have been on the list. Then again, he made two Sports Illustrated covers ... as a baseball player!
Mike, (Garden City, KS)
Just as a point of reference who would you say is not overrated?
David Schoenfield (5:36 PM)
You mean underrated? How about guys like John Olerud and Edgar Martinez? Great hitters, but not flashy, don't play in New York, get on base at a .400 clip. Another example: Jorge Posada. He's probably been more valuable than Jeter the past couple of years but get no publicity because he isn't flashy or good-looking. But he hits HRs, draws walks and drives in runs.
cant get posted from LA
I always felt Bon Jovi was overrated. Richie Sambora wrote most of the good cuts. Walk into a bar in Dallas and you'll see 26 chics better than Kournikova. Looks, not the tennis game, are suspect...
David Schoenfield (5:38 PM)
Moral of the story ... let's all bring this discussion to Dallas.
Chris from SF, Ca.
Jeter over rated?? who are you sleepin' with to keep your job. You base last years playoffs with the Angels on whether Jeter is over rated. Check the stats, Jeter is better than ARod in career BA, Runs Scored per year, stolen bases per year, OBP per year, triples per year, hits per year. Not to mention that I guess having 3 straight years with 200+ hits is pretty common. Oh yeah and didn't the Mariners win..what was that...oh yeah 116 games as soon as he left. Jeter is a future Hall Of Famer and all your writing is doing is providing future lining for bird cages! Get real.
David Schoenfield (5:41 PM)
Yes, Jeter's average is 7 pts higher (.315-.308) and his OBP is 7 pts higher (.387-.380). You left a little something called slugging percentage. A-Rod: .578, Jeter .461.
jamebomb (Taft, CA)
European Basketball players. Everyone talks about their fundamentals are better than the players in the U.S. I hear that there might be a U.S.A vs World game next year. Personally I think its a load of crap, no way they can beat Shaq, iverson, kobe and garnett, whats your take?
David Schoenfield (5:41 PM)
Where did the U.S.A. finish again in last year's world championships?
i will never find any agreement but the clear answer is michael jordan winning titles in a watered down league, his team might have won it the next year without him but foir a bad call does anyone really believe the bulls would have beaten the sixers, lakers, or celtics of the 80s?
David Schoenfield (5:43 PM)
We'll never know the answer to that, but good point on the Bulls' first year-after Jordan. In '93, the Bulls won 57 games. The next year, minus Jordan, they still won 55. (Which means that maybe Scottie Pippen was pretty good!)
Al Pacino, C'mon this is the biggest waste of time of all time. He is one of the greatest. When he speeks, everyone listens, overrated??? ESPN is losing respect because of this. Is Deniro overrated too?
David Schoenfield (5:45 PM)
Let me put this straight: I DID NOT PUT PACINO IN THAT BRACKET!!!
David, according to the criteria you've used to re-butt some comments, Jason Kidd will go down as over-rated when his career is over. JOhn Stockton never won an MVP I don't think, and he never won a ring, led the league in scoring or rebounding, so he's over-rated as well.
David Schoenfield (5:48 PM)
I don't think I've said anything about winning championships (other than Brodeur). For instance, I could have mentioned Nolan Ryan blowing a 5-2 lead in the 8th inning of the 1980 NLCS for the Astros (against the Phillies) but didn't. In fact, I think you got your argument all wrong: it's players who WIN championships who may get overrated (Namath) and those who don't who become underrate (Stockton).
Mark Allen, Los Angeles
Whoever came up with that list needs to put down the crack pipe. Arnold Palmer? Pete Rose? Come on, quit the smear campaign. Where's Pippen, The Boz, Sarah Fisher, Deion Sanders (who should be #1), these guys are all wankers. These polls don't mean squat. Next time you guys post one leave the East Coast bias in the toilet where it belongs.
Mike D NYC
lets see.Tejada's batting 246 and a potential 3b. Arod plays on a last place team and play's under no preasure. And Nomar is alsway hurt ( aside from this year) Jeter should be off. Boy I love NY!
David Schoenfield (5:51 PM)
Mike, your fellow New Yorkers are proud of your convincing argument. You're right, let's take Jeter off the list. And add Don Mattingly.
But Stockton is the all time leader in both assists AND steals, 15,000 and 3,000 respectively. Plus he led the league in assists NINE times and is a 10 time All-Star. How can you call that overrated?
David Schoenfield (5:52 PM)
Page 2 did not call John Stockton overrated. Not sure why we're getting complaints on that.
I love these NY Yankee fans. If you put ARod, Nomar, Tejeda and Jeter's stats all next to each other without names I bet that half of them would assume that ARod's stats are actually Jeter's, considering how much of a God he is there...
David Schoenfield (5:53 PM)
Good call. Yankee fans should look at Alfonso Soriano vs. Bret Boone. Boone is clearly having the superior year, yet Soriano is easily leading the fan voting. (Thus earning him overrated honors.)
Don Mattingly overrated? That must be a joke. He has almost identical career stats to Kirby "the molestor" Puckett - yet, the lovable Kirby cruises in to the hall of fame while Mattingly gets a deserved no. How can he be overrated? And if he is, isn't Puckett more overrated?
David Schoenfield (5:55 PM)
Ahh, I knew that comment would stir up you Yankee fans! It's too easy sometimes ... one thing: Kirby was a great-hitting center fielder; Mattingly was a great-hitting first baseman (for about six years). There are more great-hitting first basemen, so that makes Kirby more valuable.
I know I'll get slaughtered for this one, but Joe Montana is overrated in my book. Don't get me wrong a decent quarterback with a below average arm but... Did he ever NOT have the best supporting cast????? Give me Marino or Elway with those teams and it would have been killer.
David Schoenfield (5:56 PM)
I'll throw this one to all of you ... agree? disagree?
hmmm Kirby played a premium defensive position and Mattingly played dirt shoveler over at 1st....don't understand how their similar stats could be of different value for the position Mike?
Two Words: Duke Basketball. Sure they play kille college hoops, but when is the last time any Duke payer made a significant impact in the NBA. Jury is still out on a few, but for the most part...they flop in the bigs.
Ron (Bronx, NY)
Schoenfield, you take your anti-NY attitude and go write for the Paducah Sun. You are a hack. How you are allowed to be running this chat is a joke. Get of the anti-NY crap. Boone is have a great year, but that does not mean that Soriano is over-rated. Does that mean ARod is overrated since Nomar is not winning at SS.
Brett Boone is not having the superior year. look at the stolen bases. You can't say Brett Boone is superior to Soriano, no way. I'm a RedSox fan Dave.
David Schoenfield (6:00 PM)
Umm ... yes is he is. Boone has a .369 on-base pct and .593 slug pct. (962 OPS). Soriano has .350 OBP and .515 slugging (865 OPS). Plus, Boone is a far better defensive player. Soriano +19 advantage in steals does not come close to making up the difference.
Boone is not having the superior year based on Stolen Bases!!! Check the all around stats goober....fielding pctg, slugging, average, rbi, TEAM WINS
Joe Montana was the greatest come from behind QB ever, which he did for both SF and KC. Super Bowl rings and MVPs should justify his greatness.
David, I think you're doing a great job.
David Schoenfield (6:01 PM)
Jeter is way way way overrated. If you check his stats they have been declining for 3 staraight years now. If he keep it up at this pace Steiny himself will be able to bat a higher average than Jeter. Not to mention Jeter as captain? talk about a total PR move, jeter isn't man enough to hold the other captains' jockstraps!!!
I think we can all leave now - Kornheiser just smeared 'joseph' merron - seriously, the list was bizarre
David Schoenfield (6:04 PM)
Well, there we go. Tony K speaks, so he must be right. Everyone should read Jeff's explanation on how we made the list. We are NOT saying that Nolan Ryan was a crappy player. You have to be great to be called overrated in the first place.
Lance (springfield MO)
Dan Marino would have won the Super Bowl for years with half of the those 49er teams. Joe Montana was a solid QB but the fact that every other 49*er QB since has had great success lends me to believe maybe the system, and not the player is what's so great.
Tommy K (Fairfax, VA)
Montana not overrated. Nobody ever said he could carry an offense like Elway or Favre. Ron, Soriano needs to get off the plate. I wish more pitchers would throw inside to plate hogs. I'll give Soriano one thing: At least he doesn't wear Bonds-like body armor up there.
Rob (Atlanta, GA)
I love he link from Rob Neyer. Everyone loves to talk about the yanks. Maybe A-rod doesnt deserve 22.5 mil per year, but he is still a much better feilder that jeter and has a higher slugging percentage. Speaking of overrated yankees, how is it that every yankee starter is so high in all star balloting including but not limited to Soriano leading vote getter (i dont know if he still is) over Brett Boone? Bernie Williams (who is very good but has been hurt half the year) very nearly listed as a starter over guys like Garret Anderson? Jeter, nuff said, Ventura? Give me a break.
Jeff (SF, CA)
How about Notre Dame football? Is there any reason we should have to watch a team that has been competitive 3 times in the last 20 years every weekend?
David Schoenfield (6:06 PM)
Don't watch them then.
Cody (Isla Vista, CA)
ok, I tried to post this before but apparently it didn't go through. so i'll make it a little more clear this time : BRETT FAVRE IS THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER OF ALL TIME! Any sport, any time. Not to say he's a bad player, the media just hypes him up way too much, especially John Madden. What do you think David? hopefully you have a little more sense than most of the members of the media.
David Schoenfield (6:10 PM)
Well, there is no doubt Favre is a great, great player (314 career TD passes, an incredible 11 straight years in the top 10 in yards and TD passes, Super Bowl title and 3 MVP awards). I'm trying to find a flaw, but can't seem to find one. (And he hasn't always had the supporting casts that guys like Montana or Rice had in SF.) Anyone agree with Cody?
Brett Favre turned around a terrible team and has made them at the very least competitive every year, if not outstanding a few years...he has been fantastic and look at the consecutive games record...
Larry Brown: Detroit Pistons
No allen Iverson?, he shoots 40 times a game and brings his team down. True, Philly has no talent around him, but who wants to play with a ball hog?
Ok, more proof of the NY media overhype....Patrick Ewing. This guy wasn't even the 2nd best center when he was in his prime, never led his team to the finals, and could never make the clutch shot.
David Schoenfield (6:15 PM)
The Knicks did make the Finals in '94 (losing to the Rockets in 7 games). Also in '99 (strike year), but Ewing was hurt that year. Although I don't think anyone was claiming Ewing was better than Hakeem or David Robinson or Shaq.
deion overrated? how is he overrated... Noone threw the ball to his side. Deion might be the greatest cornerback of all time, if the qbs werent afraid to throw the ball to his side
Cal Ripken. A few better than average years. I also say this b/c he enjoyed getting all the hoopla way too much in his last season. Every place he went to, people got down on their knees like he was God. And the Mastercard contest just showed how ridiculous some of the accolades were that he was receiving.
Ron (Bronx, NY)
Can't argue about Ewing...he was a good center who did alot with nobody around him...but he couldn't sink that big shot
Cody's got the same hang-up that I think this list was based on - over-exposure. Favre's mug is always on TV, whether they're talking retirement or hunting or whatever. They're not saying he's the greatest, but they give him face time none the less. The same applies to Tyson - NOBODY thinks he was one of the greats, but he's a freak and gets TV time.
Jason (Memphis, TN)
Favre is a warrior. Period. Next!
Cody. Are you CRAZY!? Favre has a cannon of an arm, is brilliant at reading defenses, has won the super bowl, can come from behind, and is the toughest QB in a long, long time. Overrated?
Fred (Orange, CA)
David Duval can be put on a list with John Daly as the most overrated golfers. Far more than Arnold Palmer. Palmer's career tournament wins and majors do not make him overrated. John Daly and Duval are certainly ahead of him in that regard.
Craig (Omaha, Ne)
I am gonna have to go with Antoine (however you spell it) Walker. The guy puts up buku shots and makes a few and he is an all star. I mean hey, a broken clock is even right twice a day, am i right? I am sticking by my Elway comment also if you guys post it. He wouldn't have anything (super bowls) without Terrel Davis.
David Schoenfield (6:22 PM)
Coming up ... More from Cody on Favre
Cody (Isla Vista, Ca)
I'm not saying he's not a great player, but the media makes him out to be some sort of golden god of football. By the way, you forgot to mention Favre's almost 200 career INT's(188), and his career TD passes don't impress me when in green bay's "glory days", holmgren would call a pass play on a first and goal from the 1 every time he had a chance. And i wouldn't say he hasn't had a good supporting cast, he always has a very solid recieving corps. He could have had 2 straight super bowl wins if he didn't single-handedly blow it against the broncos. and last year's playoff performance was just pathetic.
I don't know about the Favre argument. When I watch him make some of the throws he does, all I can say is "Wow." He could be on one foot, falling backwards with a DT grabbing him and still throw a frozen rope to the endzone. He also did win 3 MVPs in a row.....pretty impressive.
James North Prairie, WI
Favre has had a worst supporting cast than Elway, Aikman, Marino, Montana, etc., etc. Yet he continues to produce. In two years he will be first all time in consecutive games played, first in wins by a starting Qb, and second all-time in td's. How is he overrated??????
Donovan Mcnabb, Philly
How about me everyone? I played like crap in the biggest game of my life, while the guy on the other team (who makes about half my salary) played like Joe Montana. As a matter of fact, the last two NFC Championships, I look like I'm blind, at least it looks that way, how badly I miss open receivers!!!
SANDY KOUFAX IS THE MOST OVERRATED ATHLETE IN THE HISTORY OF SPORT!!!!!!
David Schoenfield (6:26 PM)
Brian. Please defend your statement.
deion sanders, far and away the most over-rated. he was fast enough to mask the fact that he couldn't cover, or read an offense, or tackle. i cannot even imagine someone mentioning the clown prince of the secondary in the same breath as "greatest corner" . lem barney, mike haynes, mel blount, maybe lester hayes could be considered in that company. but deion? doesn't even crack the top 8.
Mike, Washington, DC
Pete Rose, without a doubt, deserves his spot at the top of the list. It's amazing how people revere him -- he makes the all-Century team and Stan Musial and Frank Robinson didn't? Pete was a great player. If he weren't such a decrepit human being, he'd be in the Hall of Fame, but he's not one of The Best players of all time, no matter how long he hung around and how many times he ran to first base after a walk.
David Schoenfield (6:29 PM)
Mike -- Excellent points on Rose. He was a very good player for many years, then a mediocre player for a few years and then a bad player who hung on too long to set a record (and hurt his team's pennant chances in the meantime).
Danny, Prescott AZ
Farve isn't that good, just throws hard. Chris Webber is a pansy and is the best not-clutch wannabe big man ever. And Hulk Hogan....horrible...did you see "The Nanny"?
David Schoenfield (6:30 PM)
Oh boy ... did I just open this chat up to wrestling? It must be time to start winding down.
Dave, do you see Karl Malone going down the same path as Rose??
David Schoenfield (6:31 PM)
I don't think so. Malone is certainly slowing down, but he's still an effective offensive player. Rose was pretty bad at the end.
Laura, San Francisco
I am so going to have to agree with Jeff in SF on Notre Dame football- come on, this team should not continue to get bowl bids and high ranking based on the sentiment of the movie "Rudy"
David Schoenfield (6:40 PM)
Everyone ... this was a lot of fun. I have to run, but want to thank everyone for their questions and comments (especially the smart ones). Take it easy and don't take this stuff too seriously.