Chat with Rich Cimini
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Cimini, longtime Jets beat writer for the New York Daily News and a Syracuse University graduate, covers the Jets for ESPNNewYork.com.
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Rich Cimini (2:01 PM)
Happy Friday, everyone. Thanks again for stopping by. Plenty to discuss today -- Jets, of course, but we can talk Super Bowl as well. Let's get started.
What do you think the status will be of Holmes and Braylon? Do you think they might cut Holmes (saves $1.25M on the cap)? And do you think they will bring Braylon back? I'd think a new GM would want to rid the team of the bad personalities.
Rich Cimini (2:03 PM)
Holmes won't get cut. They owe him $7 mil in guaranteed money, and they won't eat that, especially with a thin WR corps. Not sure about Braylon. He has some value, but chemistry is important to Idzik. He's certainly not a high priority.
J Dolof (Glory, CT)
Do you think Idzik will take a rebuilding approach to this team? It makes the most sense to me. Firm up the Oline at OG/RT to add to Mangold/Brick. Get rid of the junk (Holmes) and get young talented WR's. Get a pass rusher, then bring in a young QB into a nice situation. But I don't get the impression Rex is a rebuild type of guy.
Rich Cimini (2:04 PM)
That's why this is an awkward marriage, J. Rex is in a win-now situation, Idzik is thinking big picture. The Revis situation is a prime example. If they trade him, which will upset Rex, it means they're looking to 2014 and beyond.
IRA (Staten Island)
Rich, As i expected Mr T took the high road on most of the topics. I wouldv'e never made the Tebow trade but my question is if Shotty was the OC how do you think it might havwe worked out? I think he would've got better use out of him.
Rich Cimini (2:06 PM)
Interesting point, Ira. Yes, I think Schotty is more creative than Sparano and would've tried to make Tebow part of the offense. As I wrote the other day in my Tannenbaum story, Sparano was a big reason why Tebow didn't see the field much.
Good afternoon, Rich Mike T seemed pretty certain that the Jets had a cap plan for 2013. We know he was a "planner" but what do you make of his claim?
Rich Cimini (2:08 PM)
Yeah, the cap plan is this: In a few weeks, the Jets will cut Pace, Scott, J. Smith and E. Smith, clearing $30 mil in cap space. That's the grand plan. Heck, my wife's first graders could've come up with that plan.
Billy (Eastchester, NY)
Rich, do you think Revis's agents will be able to accept that no team is going to give $50+ million guaranteed to CB coming off an ACL injury and with one year remaining on his deal? I'm all for paying Revis, but I can't see a deal getting done this offseason (with any team) until Revis accepts that's he's not in the same situation as Mario Williams was last year.
Rich Cimini (2:10 PM)
Very, very interesting question, Billy. Philosophically, most teams believe that cornerbacks aren't worth as much as pass rushers. Revis believes he should be paid as a "defensive player," not a corner. Thing is, it only takes 1 team to break the mold, and then you have a monster deal that pisses off the rest of the league.
Rich, I think the biggest blunder of the Jets during the Mike T era was no finding sufficient pass rushers while you had the best corner in football on your defense. Just imagine how much better the pass defense, especially Revis would be if the Jets had a constant pass rush that would have forced opposing QBs to make mistakes.
Rich Cimini (2:11 PM)
You're right, they stayed way too long with the current group of OLBs. Thinking Maybin could help was another gross miscalculation. Basically, Mike put his faith in Rex, thinking he could scheme up a pass rush. Bottom line: You need the horses.
I just don't understand why the Jets want to trade Revis now. First as you pointed out the cap hit if the Jets trade Revis will be big. Second, why not trade Cromartie? He is coming off a pro bowl season and his value will never be as high. Plus he is not high on intangibles. Finally, this is DARRELLE REVIS we are talking about!
Rich Cimini (2:13 PM)
John, I reported last Sunday there's a small segment of the Jets' organization that would rather trade Cromartie and, yes, I think intangibles are a big reason why.
Rich, I just don't understand why Woody won't pay Revis. When the Jets were pursuing Asomough, weren't they going to offer him big money, like in the 10-12 mil per year range? I say Revis has every right to ask what he wants considering how the Jets were willing to sign Nnamdi who was clearly overrated.
Rich Cimini (2:14 PM)
As I recall, the Jets offered Asomugha $10 mil per year. They were careful not to offer him more than Revis, $11.5 mil. Right now, Asomugha has nothing at all to do with the Revis situation.
Rich, on the AFC East blog I see Walker keeps writing how disappointing and bad the Jets O-line was. You posted an entry from Pro football Focus which ranked the line third overall in the NFL. My question is what the O-line that bad or just getting unfair criticism?
Rich Cimini (2:16 PM)
I think the answer is somewhere in the middle. I think it's a stretch to say they're No. 3, but they also weren't a piece of garbage, as many have made them out to be. I'd say they were probably in the middle of the pack.
Rich, I don't think the play of Slauson warrants him to be a starting offensive lineman in this league. Could you see the Jets spending the 9th overall pick on a guard? I think if the Jets had better LG play Ferguson and Mangold would play a lot better and the o-line would perform a lot better as a whole.
Rich Cimini (2:21 PM)
Slauson was average and now he's a UFA, so I don't expect him back. Ordinarily, I'm not in favor of picking guards so high, but Alabama's Chance Warmack is a stud. I have to do more research on him, but he could be an option at 9.
Rich, I know the Jets will be short on cap space but could you see them pursuing Reggie Bush as a free agent? I think he would do so much better than Greene behind the Jets o-line. He has speed. He can catch the ball out of the back field. He would be ideal in the offense Mornhinweg wants to run. He also could return punts if the Jets elected to use him there.
Rich Cimini (2:23 PM)
Interesting. You're right, I think Bush would be perfect in MM's offense. RBs need to be able to catch, and Bush can. Problem is money. I can't see the Jets spending $5 mil plus on a RB, or any position for that matter.
Andy (Huntington, NY)
In regards to Revis, here's what I don't understand: I keep hearing or reading that you can't pay a cornerback a quarterback's salary. But obviously someone will - I think we can agree he won't retire even if he doesn't top Mario's salary. So if he goes somewhere else, keeps going to the Pro Bowl, maybe wins a Super Bowl and then heads to the Hall of Fame, who made the prudent move? The team that got rid of him or the team that gave him all that money?
Rich Cimini (2:24 PM)
Fair observation, Andy. I think of the Champ Bailey case. Traded to Denver, ton of Pro Bowls, a future Hall of Famer, but he hasn't won a Super Bowl. Neither has Washington, for that matter.
Rich - Is there a better than 50% chance that we can get Revis resigned? I would much rather see the team overpay for Revis than have to overpay for Cromarte. When Revis gets paid big, Cromarte is def NOT gonna take a discount. It seems like Revis @ $16mil would provide much better value than Cromarte @ $11mil.
Rich Cimini (2:27 PM)
First, I want to know, is there a Mookie 1986? Cro is under contract for 2 more years, so in 2015, if Revis is gone, you're gonna have to pay big money to re-sign Cro or invest a No. 1 pick or FA signing in a cornerback. If you trade Cro now and re-sign Revis, you have No. 1 corner for the next 5, 6 yrs.
Darsh (University Park)
Hi Rich. Do you think that there are solid odds that the Jets both grab a quarterback in free agency and draft one in the earlier rounds? That way you have a veteran stopgap as well as a developmental guy to sit back and learn.Bonus question. I'm not the biggest Matt Barkley fan, but his skillset does seem to fit the WCO and he's not the same prospect as Mark Sanchez at all. Do you think the organization would dare try for a USC quarterback again, even in round 2?
Rich Cimini (2:28 PM)
I think you have the plan right -- bring in a vet via free agency or trade and draft a QB. Barkley won't last until the Jets' 2nd round pick. Personally, I'd stay clear of USC QBs.
Rich, where do you see Dustin Keller ending up next season? I always felt he was under-utilized during his career with the Jets. I think Denver or GB would be good destinations for him.
Rich Cimini (2:31 PM)
I think he'll have value for the Jets now that they're going to a West Coast offense. He'd be perfect. Problem is, money. I don't think they can afford him. If not, look for him in a TE-friendly offense. You mention two good options, Den and GB. Stl could be a possibility because of the Schotty factor. Mia will be in the market.
we know that revis can't be franchised in 2014,but can he be transitioned whereby the jets can at least match any offer?
Rich Cimini (2:31 PM)
No. He can't be transitioned, either.
Could the Giants be trade partners for Revis. Giants desperate at corner and try and get a 1 round pick and draft ND tight end. Then with that money resign Braylon and get Greg jennings
Rich Cimini (2:32 PM)
There is no possible way the Jets would make a trade with the Giants, especially with a player of Revis' magnitude.
I believe that Sanchez was a much better QB than Alex Smith was before his rebound. That said why does it seem so outrageous that he could remake his pro career? Maybe jets should make all qb's wear blank jerseys and whoever wins job so be it.
Rich Cimini (2:34 PM)
In essence, it'll be a blank slate. Sanchez wasn't much better than Alex Smith; they were about the same. Smith flourished under Harbaugh, Sanchez has regressed. Even at his best, Sanchez wasn't as good as Smith at his best.
Eric (San Diego, CA)
Hi Rich,Even though he isn't permitted to discuss players on other teams, has Idzik given any indication about whether he likes Flynn as a QB? Does it seem likely that the Jets would pursue him to compete with Sanchez?
Rich Cimini (2:36 PM)
I think Flynn is a possibility for a 3rd or 4th round pick, but it would stretch the QB budget. Not sure how Idzik feels about him. Gave him $19.5 mil over 3 yrs, so there must have been a like factor.
Can Sanchez turn things around without changing teams?
Rich Cimini (2:36 PM)
Will be extremely difficult, especially in this town.
Rich, concerning the Jets cap situation, with cutting several players who they WILL have to replace, resigning some FAs or also replacing them, money needed to carry over for the 2013 season for injuries, the draft and also needing a veteran QB, will the Jets have enough money to sign even just two mid level FAs? It seems that they have very little money left after replacing all their cuts and either replacing their lost FAs or resigning them , not to mention the carry over money needed for the season, the draft and a veteran QB.
Rich Cimini (2:38 PM)
You're on the money, Joey -- pardon the pun. They might be able to sign a $3 mil-a-year player, but they're not going to be big spenders. They'll be shopping the bargain aisle and looking to the draft for filling holes.
Vin F. (Long Island)
Hey Rich, What are your thoughts on how the Jets should handle the QB situation and what do you think about my idea:- Cut (but try to trade) Tebow- Keep Sanchez (cant cut because of money)- Keep McElroy- Sign a low cost stop-gap QB (Matt Moore, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, etc.)- Trade down in 1st round multiple times to get extra 1st rounders in 2014 so we can trade up for a QB. (This draft has a very weak franchise QB class, however next year should be much better with Aaron Murray of Georgia, Teddy Bridgewater of Louiseville, and Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M. AJ McCarron, Tahj Boyd, and Logan Thomas also come out next year and may rise up boards).- Have Sanchez, the stop-gap veteran, and McElroy all compete for the starting job and order of depth chart- Whoever wins the job is given a very short leash.
Rich Cimini (2:39 PM)
All I can think about is, wouldn't Woody Johnson love to have Johnny Football in his stadium?
give us a quarterback name the jets might take a look at on day 2 of this years draft?
Rich Cimini (2:42 PM)
Sure. Mike Glennon, NC St. Or Tyler Wilson, Arkansas.
Rich, all I have been hearing and it makes sense, is that Sanchez's offense was decimated the last two years with no talent. My question is , would it make sense to spend more money on a lateral move QB, if the pieces are not there? I would think the results would be the same or very close for a rebuilding season anyway, so why not just see what Mark has with new coaching and some talent put around him? I would just get the cheapest qb for some semblance of a competition, and hope that Sanchez with a real competent coaching staff and some key pieces around him, can get back to the way he was developing in 2010 which showed real promise. Lets face it, our WR core last season would not scare a HS defense. Many Jets are questioning the Jets office in putting competent talent around Sanchez. Do you think Sanchez, with a few key pieces and solid coaching can be a solid starter again?
Rich Cimini (2:44 PM)
Solid? Don't know about that. Maybe he can be average, even with a good supporting cast.
Marco (Bloomfield, NY)
Rich - Who do you see being the LB coach in 2013? Does Rob Ryan have a shot at being on staff? Thanks
Rich Cimini (2:44 PM)
Honestly, I don't know, but I'm confident it won't be Rob.
Any chance BT, Pace or Scott return next year (at a low price)?
Rich Cimini (2:45 PM)
We know that Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith, Eric Smith will be cut to save money. Will Pouha be cut as well?
Rich Cimini (2:45 PM)
Tough call there, Ryan. I think it's possible. Depends on his back. My gut is that he will stay.
if the jets must trade revis, how about larry fitzgerald and a second round pick for revis? the draft pick is for the difference in age of the two athletes?
Rich Cimini (2:46 PM)
Yeah, I'm sure the Jets would do that. But do you honestly think the Cards would?
SouthernJet (Raleigh, NC)
Rich; Has some of the media backed off its claim Idzik has no personnel experience. He is not a sweatsuit laden scout, but it appears he has put some time in personnel and film breakdown over years. Seems he has multiple skills to me?
Rich Cimini (2:49 PM)
Been waiting for you to chime in, SJ. He has personnel experience -- minimal. It's not his area of expertise, but he has tried over the years to learn that side of the biz. He did take a couple of scouting trips, although I'm told the Seahawks threw him a bone, sending him to the ACC so he could visit his son at Wake Forest. He's not Tannenbaum, circa 2006, but we're not talking Ron Wolf here, either.
Bob (Newark, NJ)
Rich, great job with your coverage of the Jets. Was wondering if you have heard any early rumblings from Jets people about what they plan to do in the offseason? Now that Idzik is in place have there been any leaks of what their offseason game plan is or is it just going to run like a Tony sparano offense
Rich Cimini (2:56 PM)
Appreciate that, Bob. First order of biz -- slash big salaries. Pace, Scott, J Smith and E Smith will be released in mid to late Feb. That will get them under the cap. From there, they'll target the FAs they want to keep.
Vin (Wall, NJ)
What do you think about QB EJ Manuel from Florida State, and the possibility of the jets drafting him.
Rich Cimini (2:57 PM)
Interesting prospect. Had a great Senior Bowl. Keep an eye on him.
Hi Rich, Should we expect to see any moves before the March time frame ? I assume thats when the teams must be under the salary cap and could start cutting/signing players ?
Rich Cimini (2:58 PM)
Lots of blood shed.
Rich, You mentioned the "gimmee" cuts that will happen. Any surprise cut possibilities, Holmes, Pouha, etc?
Rich Cimini (3:00 PM)
Can't cut Holmes. Po'uha is a maybe. Hard to have a surprise cut when you don't have a whole lot of good players.
Evan (Saratoga Springs, NY)
Is Francesca as arrogant off the air as he is on it?
Rich Cimini (3:00 PM)
Rich, have John contact the Lions and offer them Cro for their second and fifth round picks inthis years draft. It fits a desperate need for them and helps with our future plans. Resign revis and move on. What are your thoughts?
Rich Cimini (3:01 PM)
I'll call him right after this chat.
Jack (Denton, TX)
Hi Rich, do you know how Vladimir Ducasse got the nickname "Turnstile'?
Rich Cimini (3:01 PM)
Haven't the foggiest idea.
Nick the Miner (1849)
What are your thoughts on trading Revis for Alex Smith?
Rich Cimini (3:02 PM)
Sure, and what else are you giving me? A great corner for an average QB? No way.
Marco (Whitehouse Station, NJ)
Rich, great job on your coverage of the Jets, IMO. Sanchez will be back for the obvious reason. But what about McElroy? I didn't think he showed much when he had the chance and he is too little - he was getting thrown around like a rag doll. Better to go w/ a veteran plus a draft choice, no?
Rich Cimini (3:02 PM)
He could be out if they draft a QB.
Harry (Babylon, NY)
Does the front office think any of last year's draft choices besides Coples has a chance to play a significant role next year?
Rich Cimini (3:03 PM)
Demario Davis, for sure. Allen or Bush could start at safety.
Andy (Hartford CT)
Who are you going to be rooting for in the SB? Are you in NOLA? Will you be attending the game?
Rich Cimini (3:04 PM)
No, unfortunately, I'm not in Nola -- first time in 24 years I'm not covering the Super Bowl. Bummer.
R (in CT)
Do the Jets think for even a second that they can run Sanchez out there next September and the fans won't riot? Everyone understands the contract, but enough is enough.
Rich Cimini (3:05 PM)
I can't argue with you.
Billy (Eastchester, NY)
Rich, I think people are overseeing the amount of leverage the Jets have over Revis in these contract negotiations. There's no way Revis will play next season without a new contract, right? If he reinjures that knee he could lose $30+ million in guaranteed money.
Rich Cimini (3:06 PM)
Yes, the injury is the best piece of leverage the Jets have. They should use it to the max.
Rich Cimini (3:07 PM)
Well, I'm out of time, folks. Thanks for stopping by. Good stuff. We didn't get many SB questions. For the record, I'm picking Baltimore. As I mentioned, I'm not covering it. For the first time in 24 years, I'll get to watch it like the rest of America, stuffing my face and enjoying a beverage or two. Take care, enjoy the game. Rich
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