Chat with Rich Cimini
Welcome to SportsNation! On Friday, ESPNNewYork.com writer Rich Cimini stops by to chat about the Jets.
Cimini, longtime Jets beat writer for the New York Daily News and a Syracuse University graduate, covers the Jets for ESPNNewYork.com.
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Rich Cimini (2:02 PM)
Greetings, all. Happy Friday. Thanks for checking in. Probably a lot of Revis/Idzik questions today, so let's not waste any time.
Rich (New Jersey)
Hi Rich, Idzik mentioned he is expected to bring in some competition at quarterback, do you think the Jets will work a trade with the 49ers for Alex Smith since Colin Kaepernick is appears to be their starting QB or do the Jets have someone else in mind?
Rich Cimini (2:05 PM)
I think there's a chance Smith will be released because of cap constraints. I'm sure the Jets would be interested, but, unless they're convinced he's the answer, I don't think they'll pay the money he will command. And I don't think he's the answer.
Rich, did the media ever ask Rex, why especially when we were out of playoff contention the last 2 games, he wasn't giving more snaps to Coples, Davis, Bush, Allen, etc. It's nearly a crime to give most/just about all the snaps to guys like Pace and Scott who won't be here next year. Just another horrible coaching move by Rex.
Rich Cimini (2:05 PM)
He was trying to win the games, DMB.
IRA (Staten Island)
Rich, Well another presser it had its ups and downs. I think Idzik gave a lot of lip service and danced around issues he wasn't ready or didn't want to discuss. Bottom line I think he has to lean on the personnel dept a lot this year until he starts to make changes with the staff and team for 014. thouhgts?
Rich Cimini (2:07 PM)
I'd agree with that. I think he knows a lot more than he was letting on. These issues came up in his interview so he clearly has opinions.
Rich, if the Jets decide to trade Revis shouldn't they just decide to go into full rebuilding mode and get rid of some of the worst contracts on the team as well. They might as well just release Sanchez, Holmes, and Harris as well. Tear it all down and rebuild.
Rich Cimini (2:08 PM)
Here's the problem with that, Ben: Sanchez has $8.25 Mil guaranteed, Holmes has $7 Mil guaranteed and Harris would require a prohibitive cap hit. You can't pay off all that money.
Sal (San Diego)
Hi Rich...I know its early but do you have an inclination on how Idzik will deal with the Revis contract? I feel like the Jets are being painted with a bad picture for discussing a trade but no one is talking about how insane it would be to tie up $16million dollars a year in the CB position....your thoughts?
Rich Cimini (2:10 PM)
First of all, Idzik should sit down with Revis' agents and find out their asking price before he has anything. If they demand $60 mil guaranteed, I'd say adios. If they're willing to compromise, I'd try to make it work.
John (Boston College)
Hey Rich...can't make it up these days. Am I crazy for thinking we should explore trading Cromartie before Revis? I figure Cro would provide a lot of the space we need to resign Revis, we'd get decent return on him, and most importantly, I think Revis' skills (technical) translate a lot better over the span of the next 5 years than Cro's (athletic freak whose body will eventually give up on him). Thanks for your thoughts.
Rich Cimini (2:11 PM)
All good thoughts, John. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility.
Rich, my question is if the Jets thought that Revis might hold out before last season and Woody has always had the feeling it would be tough to sign Revis, why didn't they trade him last offseason? Everybody knew the Jets were going nowhere. Also Woody never had any intention to pony up the dough.
Rich Cimini (2:12 PM)
Cap hit would've been too severe last season. Plus, think about it: Trading one of the best players in the league with 2 years left on his deal? Didn't make sense.
I have read on multiple sites that David Harris has graded out as one of the worst LBs in football. Is this true and if so what possessed Tannenbaum to vastly overpay him and sign him to that ridiculous extension?
Rich Cimini (2:13 PM)
I like Harris, but he didn't have a good year. Lot of factors went into that. Yes, they overpaid him. You don't play ILBs $8 mil per year unless they're Patrick Willis or a young Ray Lewis.
Rich, I honestly don't understand how the Jets can say they won't be able to afford Darrelle Revis. Yes, the Jets are 30 million over the cap but they can get under the cap by cutting some dead weight ( Pace, Scott, E. Smith, Thomas, J. Smith) albeit the cap will be tight. Then next year they can cut Sanchez and Holmes. After the next two years the cap could be straightened out. Why trade one of the best players in franchise history for draft picks? Given how bad the Jets have been in selecting players.
Rich Cimini (2:15 PM)
Yes, the Jets can get under the cap by cutting a few guys (that's the easy part), but they'd have only 10 starters under contract. The quirky thing is, Revis' cap charge would be more if he's gone as opposing to staying.
Woody Johnson has to be one of the dumbest owners in the NFL. How do keep employing the same personnel people who brought you Sanchez, Gholston, Ducasse, Robertson, and trading a 1st rounder for Doug Jolley? Doug friggin Jolley!
Rich Cimini (2:15 PM)
Ah, yes, Doug Jolley. The good 'ol days.
What is it with Woody Johnson not wanting to pay good players? First John Abraham and now Revis. Keeping overpaying players overhyped and unworthy players (Sanchez, Harris, and Holmes).
Rich Cimini (2:17 PM)
Revis and Abraham are apples and oranges. Abe was a talent, but he had off-the-field issues and was a bit of a diva. That doesn't apply to Revis.
Derek Hamilton (The Great White North)
Hey Rich, love lord Revis, but look at how good that pass defense was last year without him. We need help on the other side of the ball and is there anyway to pay him 15-20 a year. I just think this is a cash strapped team that can't afford the luxury of the greatest CB ever to play the game. How much would Pagano give up for him, my bet is a lot.
Rich Cimini (2:19 PM)
One of the most misleading stats of the year was the Jets finishing No. 2 in pass defense. Opponents didn't test the Jets because they knew it wouldn't take a lot of points to beat them: Get an early lead, play conservative and win the game. The Jets' inability to score changed the complexion of the opponents' game plan.
Andrew (New Jersey )
Why do you always have to write negative articles on the Jets? And why are you ripping Idzik when he is only in the building for a couple hours yesterday?
Rich Cimini (2:20 PM)
Did I rip Idzik? I don't think so. It was a balanced picture of his first day.
Rich - I feel like Idzik isn't getting a fair shake; if he came in brash and brazen he would've gotten torn apart just as bad as people ripping him for his "team first" approach. Its been less than a week and one presser - I know Jets fans love to hate, but he hasn't done anything to offend me yet.
Rich Cimini (2:22 PM)
I kind of agree with you. He's the anti-Rex, and that's not a bad thing. The Jets need a quiet, experienced and mature leader to bring some normalcy to the circus.
If the Jets are going to stink in the near future, at least keep a player that us fans want to tune in and come to see. The Jets have only four lousy players in the hall of fame. Revis will make it five. It is extremely tough to be a Jets fan.
Rich Cimini (2:23 PM)
Yeah, it's tough, but the Jets have to think of the big picture, not just one season.
Ernesto providence ri [via mobile]
Should the jets trade revis ?
Rich Cimini (2:24 PM)
I think they absolutely have to explore the possibility of a trade. They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they didn't.
Ryan (Hoboken, NJ)
Do you think the Jets can re-sign Revis? If no, then the only play is to trade him, isn't it? It's not like the Jets are a SB quality team even with him.
Rich Cimini (2:25 PM)
I don't think they can re-sign Revis. There is no evidence to think that could occur. He staged two holdouts. This time, he has the leverage because he's only 1 year from free agency.
Andy (Huntington, NY)
The Jets always seem to find themselves in damage control mode. And from the outside it never seems like they're prepared to deal with these situations as they arise - the Revis mess being the latest example. To what do you attribute this? Is it a failing of PR or is it bigger than that? "I've only been in the building a few hours" is merely a stall tactic, as if he'll provide a clearer answer in a week or two. Sandy Alderson inherited just a big of a mess with the Madoff situation and everything else yet he seemed better prepared to address the issues, even if some of his answers were merely smokescreens. What's your take on all of this?
Rich Cimini (2:27 PM)
Like I wrote yesterday, I thought Idzik fumbled the Revis questions yesterday. You need to watch film to get a read on Revis? Come on. Jets officials are programmed to adhere to their pre-scripted talking points, and that hurts the fans because all you get is PR babble.
Mike (Boca Raton)
Hi Rich, Great job yesterday. I'm writing about the QB situation. I see no way that Sanchez can be the opening day starter. They will lose the fan base immediately. Do you think the Jets realize that? What chance do you give Sanchez to be the opening day starter? Thanks, and have a great weekend!
Rich Cimini (2:29 PM)
Thanks, Mike. I agree with you, I don't see how Sanchez can be the opening-day starter. Believe me, the organization is down on him. I mean, really down. They need a viable alternative.
Marco (Bloomfield, NY)
Does the arrival of Mornhinweg help the chances of retaining Keller? He's one of the few weapons we have....
Rich Cimini (2:29 PM)
Fair point. You need a pass-catching TE in the West Coast offense. Don't know if they can afford him, though.
Ken (Long Island)
Does it bother you that more and more fans are skeptical of the media and their motives? It seems that many now believe the media has become more about creating controversy as opposed to reporting news.
Rich Cimini (2:30 PM)
Doesn't bother me at all. I can speak for others, but I know my motives are true. Believe me, you can't whip up a controversy out of thin air. it has to be there.
Josh (Colorado Springs, CO)
PAY REVIS!!!! Rich - If the Jets trade a top 5 defensive player in the NFL and the best player on our team I think it sends a horrible message to players (current and future) as well as to the fans and I really hope this doesn't happen. I am not on Twitter so do you think you can start one of those hashtag chains (#KeepRevis) that can be retweeted a million times (I am sure Mr. Johnson would catch wind of it) and maybe that can keep Revis on the team?Isn't it pretty simple, let Revis play out the year, he will show he is good to go, cut Sanchez at the earliest possible time regardless of how/if/where he plays and give the money to Revis because he actually deserves it. I hope Mr. Idzik gets this one right. If you are going to trade a CB, trade Cro. I like him a lot but he is not a HOf'er like Revis! Oh yeah, draft Glennon, not Geno. Alright, that's all I got for now, let me know what you think.
Rich Cimini (2:34 PM)
Sorry for the delay, Josh, but it took me a few minutes to get through your question. I jest. Here's the rub: If you let Revis play out the year, he's gone. Why on earth would be sign a contract before hitting the open market? He'd be the most sought-after free agent in history. There's no way the Jets would get into a bidding war.
Angelo (Philadelphia, PA)
A CBS report says the trade market for Revis is heating up. When could we reasonably see a trade for the CB happen if it is going to go down? And guesses on what may be the winning offer?
Rich Cimini (2:35 PM)
I wouldn't believe everything you read. That article was nonsense, just flinging mud against the wall.
R. Feeld (Conneticut)
The reason I think the Jets need to trade Revis is because you can't spend $25+ mil per year on your starting CB's. Thoughts?
Rich Cimini (2:35 PM)
You make a good point. Hard for me to dispute that.
Shady (Rikers Island)
I'm a big-time Brandon Moore fan. Worried he's a goner and that could be a major blow to the offensive line. Do you think he'll be a Jet in 2013?
Rich Cimini (2:36 PM)
I doubt it. I don't think they'll be able to afford him.
mike maynard (maryland)
wondering about trade values for tebow ... and revis? i say sixth-round pick from the bears for the former and all sorts of conditional picks over two or three years for the latter. but you're the expert, rich: what exactly is the ceiling value for a revis trade?
Rich Cimini (2:37 PM)
If Idzik gets a draft pick for Tebow, he should be executive of the year. Revis? If healthy, I'd say a 1 and 2 or 3. Now? They could get a low 1, maybe.
Good afternoon, Seems like the Jets are "damned if they do damned if they don't" with Revis. My opinion is that he should be paid as the top corner but not QB money. Your thoughts? I also think if they trade him he goes to Tampa for a 1st and a 4th
Rich Cimini (2:38 PM)
You're right, Gary, there's no clean exit strategy for the Jets. No matter what they do, they'll come out with some egg on the face.
V Shiancoe (Smithtown, NY)
With the cap issues, is LaRon Landry as good as gone? Can't imagine them using up much of their limited cap space on an overrated safety.
Rich Cimini (2:50 PM)
Yes, I'd say he's gone. too expensive.
Who are the major free agents Idzik should be targeting?
Rich Cimini (2:50 PM)
Guys that are cheap.
Jack (Denton, TX)
Hi Rich, Rex said he's confident in the direction the Jets have taken. Is he delusional?
Rich Cimini (2:50 PM)
What else is he going to say?
Unfortunately, I don't ever believe any NYJ rumors anymore. They are just too non-stop for them all to be true. So my questions to you, Rich: Is the Revis report accurate, or just another example of someone making an assumption and the Jets management team fueling the fire because they don't understand basic PR.
Rich Cimini (2:51 PM)
MikeB (Summit, NJ)
Right now, Aso is the highest paid CB in the league at $9.5 mil per year. DO you think Revis would take $12 mil per year. The Jets could trade Cro, whose value never will be higher. Between Revis' cap number and the Cro savings, this would not only be affordable for cap purposes, but would result in a large enough savings to re-sign Landry or Devito
Rich Cimini (2:52 PM)
No way Revis takes $12 mil per. He's making $11.5 per right now.
Eric (San Diego, CA)
Rich,If the Jets had hired Khan as GM, the 2014 Bill Cowher rumors would be swirling. Does Idzik have any similar relationships with desirable coaching candidates who could be available next year?
Rich Cimini (2:53 PM)
Good question. He's very fond of Tony Dungy, they worked together in Tampa. Seahawks OC Bevell another possibility.
Logan (Michigan )
Rich, should the Jets draft Manti Te'o and then later trade David Harris for a 2nd round pick. It would help the money problem with the Jets.
Rich Cimini (2:53 PM)
No Te'o. Doesn't make sense -- and I'm not even referring to the hoax. Not worth the 9th pick.
Hi Rich, first off, just wanna say I always appreciate your work, but I feel like everyone in the NY media seems to think that Idzak, Rex and Woody dropped the ball yesterday by not giving Revis a "ceremonial vote of support". I am a die hard jets fan and love Revis, but how is what management did different then what revis does every off season. He never gives a "ceremonial show" of guaranteeing he will even show up to training camp. 90% of the time I am pro-player in contract negotiations, but Revis tweeting he is speechless is a tad melodramatic and shameless. This is a business, and if a deal can't be reached, trading him is good business. Revis knows it. If his agents think the cap strapped jets are gonna pay him 16 mil a year, they are in lala land. I can't imagine you disagree. As always thanks for all the hard work.
Rich Cimini (2:54 PM)
Yes, the tweet was a bit much. I agree with most of what you said. Can't afford a $16m per year CB.
Ryan (San Diego)
Rich, Love your work. In regards to Revis, do you see him taking any type of concession on a contract (i.e. hometown discount) to stay with the jets and help them with their cap issues ?. He talked about feeling bad for jet nation. This would be one way to win them over for life.
Rich Cimini (2:55 PM)
"Hometown discount" not in Revis' vocabulary.
Hi Rich,What really bugged me about Idzik's presser was that it doesn't seem like he's inclined to make any changes or bring in any of his "own" people on the scouting/personel side. And the whole "decision by consensus" thing bothers me. It seems like he's keeping Bradway and Cohen and using the same operating model as Tannenbaum. I know its only been 1 day but I don't get any sense of how he will do things differently. Do the changes come after the draft ? Thoughts ?
Rich Cimini (2:56 PM)
The personnel staff will remain intact through the draft. After that, there could be changes.
Hi Rich? do you get the impression Woody Johnson thought Idzik was the best overall option for the GM, or more so the best option to get them out of this cap mess (i.e. save $$)? I only ask because, it seems all the Jets issues (bad cap, offensive issues, bad guaranteed contracts) all relate to poor talent evaluation. Hiring another cap guy seems like an odd choice. The fact that Woody mentioned yesterday that personnel decisions would be more collaborative than in the past kind of supports that theory. Thanks Rich.
Rich Cimini (2:57 PM)
All good points, Bill. This team need a guy savvy in personnel. Some candidates came away from the interview shaking their heads, wondering if the team knew what they wanted. Weird situation.
Hi Rich, If the Jets trade Revis, the fans will ultimately judge the move by what they get in return. There's already articles today saying lots of teams are interested like Green Bay, SF and Seattle. Of course, draft picks from lesser teams would be more valuable. What would be your best educated guess at what Revis would bring back in a trade ? Along the same lines, what would it cost to keep him and could the Jets afford it ?
Rich Cimini (3:01 PM)
Naming interested teams is purely guesswork at this point. They'd demand a first-round pick, of course. Might be tough, considering the injury. HEre's what I'd do: I'd settle for a lower pick this year, plus have a conditional pick in '14. That pick would slide based on Revis' performance. If he makes the pro Bowl in '13, it's a first rounder, and so on.
Rich Cimini (3:02 PM)
With that, I have to say goodbye. Thanks for the great questions. Obviously, there will be no shortage of storylines this offseason. FYI: Aaron Maybin signed today with the Bengals. Amazing that he keeps getting a job. Anyway, take care and have a great weekend. Rich
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