Do you see the Bears pursuing Larry Johnson?
Bob -- Larry Johnson has, by my count, been arrested four times on various assault charges against women. On the heels of this latest suspension, I think it's safe to say the Bears would not be interested in his services. I don't think a guy like that is worth the trouble -- no matter how talented he may be.
Hi Jeff! Do you think that exchanging Beekman for Omiyale can have a significant effect on the overall offensive line assuming he performs better than Omiyale? I guess the real question is, do you think that Omiyale was the weakest link on that line or do you think further changes need to be made to achieve any type of success, especially in the running game?
I think everybody needs to caution against thinking Beekman is going to solve all the problems on the offensive line. Pace, Olin, Williams and Garza all need to play better...A LOT better for the offense to click. I'd love to see more Dez Clark and Jason McKie on the field to help with the running game.
do you think the bears should sign another running back. forte is struggling and wolfe is getting it done either. is there any good backs out there to sign right now?
The good news is that Adrian Peterson might be back this week. Again..I'm not saying Peterson is an all-pro, but he'a a better option to spell Forte than Wolfe for a few series. I like Wolfe on special teams, and think there may be a spot for him somewhere in the offense...but not running between the tackles.
Will the move be made at Left Guard that I have read about this morning? I sure hope that the Bears are able to get a ground game going this Sunday they will be more likely to hit big plays in the passing game should this happen. I am liking what I am seeing from the passing game baring the interceptions, and protection.
Yes, Josh Beekman is replacing Frank Omiyale at left guard. Also, Hunter Hillenmeyer moves inside to MLB, with Nick Roach sliding over to SLB this week vs. Cleveland.
You think the Bears Defense shuts down the Browns offense this week?
If they don't...the Bears have major problems. Check this out:Cleveland offensive stats -- 31st total offense, 31st passing offense, 30th points scored, 24th rushing offense.Ouch. And you thought the Raiders were bad.
With this team now at 3-3, how many wins do you think the Bears will end up with? Because this schedule is looking harder and harder with every week that goes by.
I believe I predicted 9-7 when the schedule came out, but bumped that up to 10-6 before the Packers game. I still think the Bears "should" beat Cleveland, San Francisco, Detroit, St. Louis. That means they have to steal 2 or 3 more a long the way. Possible. But if they lose to Browns....season might be over.
How could the Bears get beat so badly by the Bengals?
It was the ultimate collapse. I couldn't believe it. The defense offered up zero resistance to the Bengals, and the offense also looked bad. Penalites, turnovers, missed tackles, bad coaching...did I miss anything?
Do you think we will see some more sets with Dez, McKie and Olsen (in the slot or double tight) to get a lead blocker for Forte.
Would love to see more of Dez and McKie in run packages. I'm still a fan of Olsen, but let's face it, blocking isn't his thing. I'd just spread him out wide and try to take advantage of some mismatches.
The Bears are almost there. 1. Beekman over Omi - CHECK. 2. Hillenmeyer over Roach - CHECK. 3. Graham over Bowman - ?
Steve -- I don't it's a secret that I'm a fan of Bowman. However, I know he played very, very poorly in Cincy, so I assume he's on a bit of a shorter leash this week. Graham is a good player, and I still can't figure out why the Bears are down on him. I guess if Zack has another poor performance they make a switch, but I don't believe that's in the works this week.
It seems the Bears are missing a lot of pieces at this point in the season. What is the quick fix to get back on track, and also the longterm fix to assure that Cutler has a more productive future?
Jesse -- I truly feel it all starts up front. Both the offensive and defensive lines have not performed up to expectations. Once you get stable play in the trenches, things tend to improve accross the board. I know that's a simplistic answer, but I know it's the truth.
It is obvious that Cutler has much more upside and potential than Orton, but the thing about Orton is he doesn't lose the team games, he is a proving winner, sometimes ugly, but he just wins. I guess only time will tell how JA's legacy will be told...but I think if we continued to build around Orton we might have had a pretty solid QB for awhile.
I'm going to slightly disagree. There's no reason to bail on Cutler. He's going to be an excellent player for this franchise for many years...at least through 2013! Orton does a nice job. He's a perfect fit for that system in Denver, and he has a lot of weapons to work with. But if Orton were the Bears QB in 2009, I don't believe the record would be better, in fact, I wonder if it would be slightly worse.
Why did Lovie have the defense in that cover 2 shell so much last Sunday? I understand that is their "base defense" but it was getting shredded on every play.
Just to be clear: The Bears only play Cover-2 a third of the time. That being said, they do shift back to their base defense when teams make certain offensive adjustments. The Bengals made those adjustments, and the Bears just got murdered. Scheme or no scheme, guys have to tackle and stay in their gaps. Last weekend was like the Perfect Storm of bad.
I know I could have played better, but it's not my fault! I'm a tackle by trade, and got converted. With the way my buddy Orlando is playing, is there anyway I get a starting job back --- at tackle?
Frank -- You're a good man. I think you'll make a fine right tackle in the future.
I told you I'd be back...
I know you fumbled against Illinois in 2000. Refs cost us the game!
Is there any chance we can bring back Ditka?
You can catch the Coach every week with Waddle and Silvy on ESPN 1000. C'mon...Ditka is too busy selling salsa to worry about coaching the Bears.
With sad performance of the offense the past eight years, do you think Ron Turner might be walking after this year?
I think Ron Turner is on the hot seat, no question about it. If the Bears don't make the playoffs, somebody is going to have to take the hit. And we know Lovie isn't going to fire the defensive coordinator. Can a guy fire himself?
Do you think Cutler is really regretting wanting to leave Denver now? He's sitting at 3-3 wjhile Orton is undefeated.
I really don't know Cutler on a personal level, but I doubt it. He just got tons of cash, so I'm pretty sure he'd rather be in Chicago.
With the beekman move, doesnt it make sense to take pace out, and put omilye at right tackle, and williams at left tackle. It seems this gives the current o-line the best chance to suceed passing and running.
Terrance -- I think you have to be careful not to disrupt all the chemistry on the offensive line. Making just the one move for Beekman is probably a good idea in the short term. Now, if the season spirals out of control, then yes, it might be appropriate to move some more people around. But that would be about building for the future.
Thanks everybody! Going to turn it over to Bill Livingston of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Thanks JD. We'll pick it up now with Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist Bill Livingston. Bill is a Vanderbilt alum, so he has something in common with several Bears, including Jay Cutler.
Hello everyone. I expect the Bears to have a lot to make up for after the Bengals game. I have to admit I went to Vandy, and Jay was the best QB to come out of Vandy since Billy Wade, who took the Bears to a championship. I followed Jay's career at Vandy as a loyal alumnus. We don't have a QB like that in Cleveland.
With the Browns in a rebuilding generation are they the worst team in the NFL, even with that "win"?
We'll find that out when they play the Raiders here. I suspect they might be. The Raiders have 2 wins, including one against a fairly disinterested Philly team. The Browns have a win over Buffalo in a game that may have been the worst close game ever seen in my life. When all QBs hurt in last season, had some terrible games. But really had scant chance to win. That was injuries. This had all the excitement of a pitching change in baseball.
I know a level headed coach can be a benefit by not overreacting to highs and lows. However, can't there also be something said in favor of a coach that exhibits a lot of passion and emotion? Lovie is a very good person and a decent coach. Personally, I would prefer to see more high 5's after TD's and more chewing out of players when they blow their assignments.
As far as Mangini, he's very distant, a Belichick guy. Not warm and fuzzy. He did get a game ball after the win over Buffalo, which meant the players hadn't given up on him at that point. I grew up in Dallas, my experience as a kid was with Tom Landry, and he did pretty well without being a hugger.
Are the Browns the worst franchise in the NFL?
At this point, I would have to say yes. It's hard to think of anything they've done since they came back that's worked out. that's in a league that bends over backward to help struggling franchises. Nothign ahs worked, they wer ein the playoffs for one day as the sixth seed, with a 9-7 record, and they blew a bazillioin point lead to the arch rival Steelers in that game. It's hard to criticize some of the hires because everytone theought they'd be good. Carmen Policy, Butch Davis, two Belichick guys - Romeo Crennel and now Mangini. Mangini is the perfect storm of distant personality and poor results and arrogant Belichick attitude.
Let's talk about the Browns QBs. It's almost a textbook of how not to do it. ND is the second most popular school in Cleveland behidn OSU. fan base wanted to see quinn have a chance. But when they put him in they used controlled passing attack wiht short passes but they traded Kellen Winslow, his favorte target. When he did play, not bad, then bring in Anderson with the Cutler-like arm. But after one game they trade Braylon Edwards, who was Anderson's favorite receiver. None of the receivers they have left matched up against No. 1 CB are getting separation. Lot is Anderson doesn't have touch, but guys don't get open. Can't get rid of all the problem players if they're talented. Can't do it. Look at Denver with Marshall. They made their peace.
I was recently reading a story on windycitygridiron.com about the 3 step drop. It made a very good point with the 3 step drop that we seem to use alot with cut, and the fact that the bears don't have a big possession reciever to utilize in the 3 step drop. Do you know of any recievers on the market next year? And do you think they would be a good fit in chicago?
I saw Cutler in an exhibition game in Denver with the 98-yard drive, very impressive cuz in Denver. Didn't think he had a very good chance in Cincy to succeed, lot of pressure on him. Lot of Favre in him, which is good and bad. He thinks he can power the ball into a small window, and that's goign to close. I see a lot of Favre.
As far as Jamal Lewis, he's on the shady side of 30. That's when RBs start being unproductive. He's having to carry the load now because they lost Davis and Jerome Harrison doesn't pick up blitzes. that's why doesn't play. Risk extending Lewis' contract, cumulative beating and not a lot of options now, but in a better system might be putting up better numbers.
Is there a legitimate Pro-bowler on the Browns?
Josh Cribbs, kick returner. That's one of the interseting parts of the game. Watch Hester and Cribbs return kicks. Cribbs was an undrafte free agent from Kent Statte. I saw him play OSU the year after the championship, and I thought he was the best athlete on the field. not a big success in the Wildcat, but he's big and strong and very fearless. one fo the best return guys I've ever seen.
Bill, do you think it is time to give Brady Quinn another shot? Really he was never given a fair chance to succees by Mangini.
I don't see that it would have hurt to look at him in the second half. the other guy wan't getitng it done. I don't know you would have to commit to him in the future, but what has Anderson done to remind people of Kosar in his early days. They all like the guy wiht the big arm.
Anderson to Cutler? Cutler's more evasive in the pocket than Anderson. Kind of similar, big guys with strong arms. Anderson has not been a top QB since last half of 2007 season. That season they won 10 games. They played much tougher sked in 2008. I think Anderson's confidence not good and players that made hm successful are there to help him now.
That's an excellent point. Gets back to dysfunction of his franchise. They have a lot of money tied up in Anderson and Quinn. This is the same franchise who had a MAC QB who was not Roethlesberger - Charlie Frye - and let him play a season without a veteran mentor. They brought in Jeff Garcia with impeccable West Coast offense credeentials, and it's the only place Garcia has been bad.
Ok, now we'll switch to ESPNChicago.com columnist Jon Greenberg.
I would like to see the Bears move Chris Williams to the other side of the line and give Kevin Shaffer a shot on the other end. Orlando Pace's time in the NFL is over. Thoughts? As far as the defense is concerned I like the change at linebacker. I think Hillemeyer is one of the smarter football players on the team. Why isn't Charles Tillman defending the opposing teams number 1 receiver every game? If you could provide more than he prefers one side of the field over the other that would be great.
Lots of questions here. A veritable smorgasbord of Bears worries. Pace doesn't look good, that's for sure. I know nothing about Kevin Shaffer, to be honest. Maybe he's better. Roach apparently wasn't good at calling signals or organizing the defense. That's the area where Urlacher is most missed. Brian's seen everything so his football sixth sense is unrivaled.Tillman almost always has the top guy.
I am considering use the Bears for my Survivor Pool this week (and saving the Chargers). How safe am I?
Pretty safe Kyle. Browns haven't been too good on the road. Or at home, but worse on the road. I wonder how many of them will sneak out for some Halloween hijinks?
Jon,After what you saw the Bengals do to the Cover 2, do you think it's time for the Bears to make adjustments? I know they say a lot of their problems aren't personnel but moreso mental...well when you have any team with more than 2 good WR's, that opens up the middle a LOT and that is where the bears have gotten torched. What about middle coverages forcing teams to the outside? The corners are good enough to match up but the middle zone is just taking this Bears defense out of good position ALL the time.
The safeties have been a problem, or at least a concern. Kevin Payne hasn't been good, so you'll be seeing The Interceptor get some on the job training out there again this week. Afalava's been good, but not great. He just doesn't have the snaps to execute every play like he should. With Urlacher gone and oft-injured Mike Brown gone, the Bears' up-the-middle defense has less range than Theriot-Fontenot. Ok, that's too harsh, but i wonder how much cover-2 we'll see against Arizona.
Is it far fetched to think the Bears will make the playoff's? Besides the vikes,and saints no other NFC team scares me..I think we have a shot and once we get in anything could happen.
It's not going to be easy. possible losses in the next 10: Arizona, Philly, Minnesota twice, Green Bay, at Baltimore, heck, even at San Fran next week. The Bears don't have a cupcake schedule and the wild card is only realistic option, unless Favre implodes.
Zona is my big worry, if you give Boldin, Breaston, or Fitz space in the middle, they'll do work(see last years super bowl catch by Fitz). Roach, Williams etc do good jobs as fill in/back up LBs but they seem to do better against the run and get lost up in pass coverage. Going to school in Wisconsin, I was ashamed at how bad the defense played. Of course, Favre got his first loss, so the state rejoiced.
Arizona looks like a guaranteed loss. But doesn't the NFL always fly in the face of reason and common sense? Well, actually this year, the favorites have won at an amazing clip, but still. As soon as you catch yourself saying something WILL happen, it doesn't. Except this week, the Browns are putrid.
What are the chances Ron Turner returns next year? I know everyone is really on his back for the offense production and play calling and a lot of analysts defend him, but the matter of fact is that his average offense ranking is 22, and the best he's ever had is 9 in '95. Even in college, he is the only coach in the more than one hundred year history of Illinois football to lose eleven games in a season, which he also accomplished in those same two seasons. I don't understant why Lovie brought him in for a second stint?
Turner's highly respected in the coaching ranks and the players seem to be behind him. He reminds me of Larry Rothschild in that regard (though Cubs pitchers have been pretty highly ranked, statistically). I could see him being replaced this off-season. A lot of criticism is MMQB'ing, but hey, this is the NFL, it's an immediate reward oriented game.
I know much of it is coach-speak, but if Lovie things he has a good team and a good roster of players, isn't he indicting himself because the team has basically been .500 over the past 3 years? This guy treats the fans like we're idiots (which all of us aren't), and it's annoying to follow a team that has a head coach with a huge ego that can't back it up.
The NFL is 80 pct coach speak, maybe more. How many coaches speak their mind these days? Very few. It's a delicate balance between showing faith in your players in public, using the media to send messages and hiding all information from your opponents. plus you have to keep a relationship with your GM, the guy who stockpiled your team and often holds the keys to your livelihood.
Maybe I'm confused on a point, but you answer me this..."Which comes first the players, or the scheme"? "If the players fail, is it because of a faulty scheme, or if the scheme fails, is it the players fault"?
How about, if Derek Anderson goes 3 for 17 in an empty stadium does anyone see it?Seriously, it's always a mix. You need to either draft players to fit the scheme, or in the case of a new coaching hire, bend your scheme to fit the talent. Take Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh, for example. A lot of coaches would have canned Dick Le Beau and forced a 3-4 team to fit in a 4-3, to show control. Not Tomlin. He's a Tampa-2 guy, but he showed that he respects football, and his players and coaches, and look what happened.As for the Bears, I personally hate the Tampa 2, but it's what they've drafted for, and what they run, so they get players who can play it.
I'd say the most agitating thing about the defense is all the missed tackles. Urlacher or no Urlacher this has been going on the last 3 years. Why are the supposed defensively minded bears such a poor tackling team?
Here's something to chew on when it comes to the supposedly fearful defense: How many guys on this team would you want if you were stocking up a defense? Briggs, Peanut and maybe Brown or Ogunleye. This defense doesn't have much in young, exciting talent. Unlike last week, though, they've been pretty good against the run, average to better than average, but bad in pursuit (check out their 10+ numbers in football outsiders), which, you're right, is the result of missed tackles. sometimes guys are going for the strip.
The Bears have to be regretting their Cutler acquisition; it's not that he isn't a good QB, but I think we can clearly see Chicago gave up too much for him. Cutler is among the league leaders in poor decisions, and Cutler is going to cost Chicago more games than winning them with his arm. Thoughts?
I don't know about that. I think they dig Cutler and his rapscallion ways. The Bears aren't exactly the masters of the first round either. I think Cutler grows into his role. Dan Pompei of the Trib got some good info from Stats Inc about his interceptions. Only one has come when the Bears were leading, so he's trying to make something happen. So he's got that going for him.
guys, the D play-calling ( or execution) was terrible last week ...and we have been weak against the pass...any chance we get brian urlacher calling some plays?? the guy is like a coach on the field!!
To be honest, it's not a terrible idea. It won't happen, not in this league, but why wouldn't Urlacher have a better sense of what's working and what isn't, than a coach? He could be a sounding board at least.Maybe Jurko can give his two cents on this in five minutes.
Lovie is always saying that the bears get off of the bus running...at some point, don't you think the bears need to open up their passing game in order to be able to run? If the bears incorporate more roll outs and play action passes, will it help the runnning game?
Yes, yes and yes. They need to use the pass to set up the run, not the other way around. Cutler can throw the intermediate routes and all three WRs can pile up the YAC. Heck, it's not like it's unprecedented. They need to make a defense go back on their heels and take control of the clock. I doubt they'll need to do this against the Browns. Arizona though...
Now that the Bears have the franchise qb with the same production as the grossman days, is it finally being realized the qb wasn't the problem? maybe the shoddy oline, playcalling, and lack of skill players around the qb for the last 89 years or so.
I hope you're not impugning Tom waddle, the kind of ESPN 1000. The Bears have made some bad offensive choices for a long time. I think it's time to bring in an another offensive mind from outside the team, if only in a front office role, to shake things up. Then again, Johnny Knox is pretty good, huh?
hey does chicago bears have cheerleaders and is aaron rodgers a better qb than cutler
No, unfortunately, and yes, unfortunately. Bring back the Honey Bears! Can you imagine the line of celebrity-hungry women in Chicago who would kill for this opportunity? Speaking of, check out the bios of the Sox's Chevy pride crew. So awesome and South Side. On to Jurk.
Alright party people, Jurko is here now. Fire away.
Bottom Line up Front: Did Chicago give up too much for Cutler?
Any time you make an acquisition via trade or free agency you don't pay the guy -- you overpay. So, they gave up a lot, but you can't judge now whether it's too much. You have to wait until 2013. Seven weeks into a season will not my judgement make. If he wins one Super Bowl, it was worth it.
If you have depth at Defensive line and depth at Linebacker as Lovie and Jerry like to profess, then why don't you move past all the hogwash "Such n such is OUR guy" and play players who are hungery enough to make plays?!
That just means you have numbers. You need to have quality depth and I'm not sure the Bears do. Especially not at the linebacker position. I don't know if Tommie Harris will be here next year, or Adewale if he doesn't have a cap-friendly deal
Has D. Manning looked that bad at FS this year?
Yes, the DBs are bad. When you play zone, if nobody's in your area you have to squeeze. These guys are too set in their areas. They're not doing a good job of squeezing and taking care of the space. They stay where they are even if there's no threat.
Why didn't the Bears pursue Darren Sharper? It seems he is a prefect fit for the defense
You gave up one older defensive back in Mike Brown. Even though Sharper has 58 (or so) career interceptions, there's no guarantee that he'd be as productive here. Sharper is doing for New Orleans because he's in that system, which is producing opportunities. Those opportunities probably wouldn't exist here.
Please help me out with this. I thought that in the Cover 2 that the corners played press coverage because they have help over the top. If there is safety help, then why wouldn't the corners be pressing to disrupt timing and give the line more time to get to the QB.
They are supposed to be in press coverage. They are supposed to be rerouting the WRs. Their preference is to force an inside release, giving the safety more time to get width. If a receiver wants to release outside, the CB is supposed to ride him to the sideline and then let him go. This is supposed to allow the safety to get width because it takes the receiver longer to get that outside position.
I think Hester has looked very good this year, but I still think he's a number 2/Wes Welker type receiver. What are they chance we get a big physical receiver and who would be a good fit in your opinion?
Devin Hester would be a GREAT #3 -- a great slot receiver. At best he'll be a solid #2, which is better than wherever I thought he would be. Keep an eye on Dewayne Bowe (WR at Kansas City) in the offseason. They're in rebuilding mode and he could be pulled away from them.
I think it's premature to think at 3-3 that Lovie needs to be replaced. If the season is an 8-8 disappointment I would be in favor of a coaching change -- a change that would be the complete sweeping of the entire staff. BUT, it's premature to talk about that. I still think this team can go 11-5 with two wins over Minnesota.
Jurko...in your honest opinion, is it time for a coaching change after this year?
Jurk, do you think the O line will come together now that the "leaner" (meaning he doesn't know how to block) Omiyale is on the bench?
The happiest man in Chicago yesterday was me. Omiyale was a terrible player. It's not that he's playing guard. It's because of poor habits and poor technique. I'm sure he wasn't coached those things. It's hard to say that someone is lazy because you have to work your butt off as a professional athlete, but it looks like he was satisfied with the signing bonus and was fine with a lesser level of play. That's unacceptable.
How come none of the blame goes to Lovie? Since he let Rivera go, our defense has been terrible. We have gone from going 26-10 to 19-19. Our players do not have too many more years left. How many more are we prepared to wait?
Lovie's not getting a pass. There are a lot of people calling for his job. You buy some time with a Super Bowl appearance, but the sands are slipping through the hourglass.
What can we look forward to in terms of the Bears draft this year? From all accounts it seems to be a deep draft.
Not sure what you're looking for. With no draft pick until the third round we're going to have to focus on free agency.
On that line of thiught, if Lovie gets canned, who would be the leading canidates to replace him. Would Dungy consider working for a team that fired his friend? Are Cowher and Gruden prepared to coach again? Would the Bears be willing to give Rivera the job? Any other top canidates?
My list (in order) is Holmgren, Gruden and Coeher, but knowing the Bears they'll pluck some offensive coordinator who's never had a coaching position.
If norv turner were to be fired from San Diego, would he be an improvement over his brother at OC? Or even Jim Zorn?
No. Stay away from Turner. Stay away from Zorn.
How do you think Chris Williams has looked at rt? I think he's played fairly well for this being his first year but I don't think he's that dominating force like Orlando Pace was back in his younger days. And do you think he can be effective at lt if/when he switches over?
Except for the illegal procedure penalties, they don't talk about him in a negative light. He's not as dominant as Ryan Clady or Joe Thomas, but when he does play left tackle he could be a solid ten-year o-lineman for you.
I'm 6'3" 195, could i be the physical receiver the bears are looking for? Like Omiyale i'm lazy, poor technique, and have no idea of what i'd be doing. perfect fit
You might be onto something DJ. Those seem to be the Bears' prerecquisites, but only if you run a 4.9 forty.
With the Bears current problems running the ball , Do you think Larry Johnson could help as it seems K.C. is ready to move him ?
The reason Larry Johnson has been bad is because his offensive line is terrible. A RB's success is predicated on the success of the offensive line, which is why what Barry Sanders did with the Detroit Lions is three times as impressive as what Emmit Smith did with the Cowboys.
New Orleas' defense was pretty bad last year. Sharpers presence alone didn;t make them better but it has helped. Why do you think it would be otherwise if he were here? The guy makes plays.
Because New Orleans can rush the passer and their defensive backs are making plays on balls, popping them in the air. I like Sharper, and he'll probably end up in the HOF, but let's not get carried away with the success he's having this year.
I know about the problems Lance Louis had in college. I assume these negatively affected his draft position. Is he a guy that has any potential down the road. Not looking to throw him in there today, but if we have no young OL talent on the team, we are in trouble for a while
Shafer and Louis are both possible replacements on the offensive line, but there are a number of factors that determine why a guy does or does not play. The ability to handle, disseminate and process information almost instantaneously is a major factor on if an OL can make it or not. It's not just raw physical tools.
Jurk, do you think the guys on D suffer from the same laziness as Omiyale? Are they getting killed because they are losing individual battles, or because the scheme and play calling is poor?
The Bengals OL was playing at a different speed than the Bears DL. They were also superior at holding because they move their feet when they're holding and they're not leaning on somebody. The Bears looked velcroed to the Bengals.
See you next week. The Bears should kill the Browns. Enjoy!!!