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Sup andrew, just how crazy was this final table? Ive heard the ESPN coverage tuesday night is going to be insane...
The final table played out in an extremely interesting way. I've been talking for weeks about how the play was going to be extremely aggressive early on...well, that didn't happen, but what did happen is a ton of crazy bad beats and impressive reads.
Lots of bad beats at the final table. Who would you say played the best?
Antoine Saout played the best by far. He was patient, picked his spots extremely well and made the big call when he needed to. It was really his tournament to win until he got extremely unlucky...
Given the way Moon tends to overbet, and hates seeing flops, isn't it realistic this could be over quick?
This could be over very quick. Both these guys are very aggressive preflop and it wouldn't surprise me if this is done within the first hour of play.
We all talk about who is "good for poker." Do you see either of these 2 guys being good for poker?
I actually think both of these players can be good for poker. Moon once again promotes the "Anyone can win" motto of the WSOP. He isn't a pro, barely plays and now, could be $8.5 million dollars richer. Cada could become the youngest main event champion, but he's good with the media -- something that we haven't seen from a champion in years.
Do you think all of the beats handed out will hinder poker from being seen as a game of skill?
Isn't that a loaded question. I was very hopeful that the result of this final table would once again prove that poker is a skill game. However, this final table is the example of the contrary. There were a ton of bad beats during the 17 hours and both these players were always raking in the pots afterward. That said, each of these guys beat out 6485 players to get to this point...one day of running better than another is what determined the final two.
Have you gotten a chance to see the hole cards from the final table? You mentioned some great reads, did Ivey play the best he could with the stack he had and cards he was up against?
I have not gotten a chance to see the hole cards, but I did speak to the producers who were pretty amazed at some of the hands that they witnessed. Ivey played great. The Phil Ivey factor was definitely involved as nobody at the table wanted to double him up. He stole, on average, two times an orbit just to keep chipping up without any major confrontations. He played small ball and lasted nearly 175 hands being the short stack for most of them.
Andrew, Moon doesn't seem interested in being a face of poker. I would think Cada would be a bigger help. He signed with Pokerstars and seems to want to be out there. Plus he plays a lot.
Do expect to see any endorsements for Moon at the final table?
Nope. He is always wearing his "wheeling casino" polo, but that's not an official endorsement. He stuck to his initial feelings about being endorsed and we have to respect him for that.
No Question here: Just wanted to say THANKS to Andrew for his great coverage throughout the WSOP. And THANKS to all of the ESPN Poker Crew, including Shaun Wyman, Phil Gordon and the rest.
Thanks Brad. We really tried to put out the best content we could in a timely manner over the last few days. Appreciate you following along.
Have you ever seen a final table where so many bad beats happen? 7 of the 8 players that went bust put their chips in good. How do you think this will make poker look to the public?
I honestly don't believe I can remember one. The key on Saturday was to go in with the worst hand...I think the first hour of TV broadcast will make poker look great. The second hour might be a different story.
How much tilt should I be on for not winning?
Within a half hour of your elimination, you were playing $2,000/$4,000 7-game on Full Tilt. Something tells me you'll get over it and have another chance.
Since this has been the year of the "suckout" at the final table nothing is certain but Cada has to be an overwhelming favorite based on his extensive HU play online correct? Plus the huge chip advantage can't hurt.
Cada plays online heads-up cash games every day. He has the advantage, not just in chips, but experience. The issues is that he might play too fast and create an unnecessary situation where he could hand over some chips to Darvin.
Of all of Moon's miss steps which one is the worse? I just can't pick one; the A 4, folding for only 6 million more or pushing in with A Q vs Q Q.
A-4 for sure.
Andrew, would you say my strategy is to go all-in on every hand and hope I suck out?
Not at all. I think that your friends should tell you to not get attached to any ace or king tonight, but see if you can chip away. Everyone is expecting big preflop pots with these two, so maybe trying to get the best of Joe postflop might be the better way to go.
Any chance we could more than two hours of coverage for the final table? The WPT final tables get two hours for a six-handed final table. I've always felt a bit ripped off that ESPN crams a nine-handed final table into the two hour block. How do I get more?
Coverage starts at 9 p.m. ET and will go as late as 11:30. I've been trying to get the hands we didn't use for TV on .com, but that hasn't worked out so far.
I heard Begs didn't even shake Moon's hand after he was eliminated. Do you think Begs purposely avoided Moon or do you think he was just shocked from what happened and forgot.
Incorrect. Begs did in fact shake Darvin's hand.
Thanks so much for the awesome twitter, blog, and chat coverage of the entire WSOP. Really appreciated how much you put into it, and loved following it!
I gotta admit, pushing all in with A-4 was bad, but in my defense I was tired and thought that other 4 was an Ace. Hasn't that happened to you guys before? Now lay off.
I doubt that Darv, but that could be an interesting excuse...
how do you think the tv coverage will compare with the other years? better or worse.
Despite the major hands that occurred and that we know about, there will be plenty of others that will make this broadcast one of these best we've ever had.
Andrew, I believe you hinted at it during your podcasts but do you honestly think ESPN will cut the episodes so Phil Ivey is in the 2nd episode thus having knock out hand ofter knockout hand afterwards? I can see how people want to see Phil but he finished 7th and there were other great plays between the knockouts so is it worth keeping him on the air as much as possible?
Well, we had 175 hands before Ivey was knocked out...that was more than half of the final table. The action picked up from that point on, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's how its played out. As soon as it got more shorthanded, everyone became a little more aggressive.
Which is better long term for poker, an entertaining Final Table on TV (which this one clearly will be) or having the best actual players ending up as the final two.
Great question. I'm thinking entertaining final table. More casual fans means more interesting in the game.
Andrew, there's talk on the forums that the length of play at the final table was too long, and that they should have stopped at a certain number of levels and returned Sunday to play down to heads-up. Your thoughts?
Well, that brings the TV show back into consideration. Cutting the hands is extremely time consuming and that's the major detail that we have to consider when we're trying to figure out the schedule. By not playing Sunday, we give the TV team a chance to catch up so that they're ready to input heads-up play and I think that's necesssary.
Why did the WSOP change the payout structure to have such little increases from6-9th??
I'm not sure about that, but don't expect it to be that way next year. There needs to be a lot more of a difference from finishing 9th out of 6494 versus 5th....
Is it true they are going to change the name to World Suck Outs Of Poker?
Aside from Ivey, who do you think has the best chance to become a 'name' pro from the FT?
Actually, a lot of them. I'd say Akenhead, Saout, Buchman and Schaffel will be familiar faces from here on out. In addition to the winner of course.
Was this the longest final table in WSOP history?
Longest main event final table, yes. I'm not sure about overall, but it has to be close.
Yea but why even wait to play heads up? whats the reason for that? why not just play it all and then TV can get to work
To make the event as close to live as possible. I know, I know...it happened four months ago.
Just a quick note that I'm taking your questions to ask the WSOP champ here: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4632288&name=poker
Do you think Cada deserves to win the way he played? The big pots he won with his sets would have had the same results if the hands were played out differently. Your thoughts?
Honestly, no. He put himself in terrible positions time after time, but sometimes you run amazingly well and miracles happen. Actually, I heard something really interesting yesterday. On the hand when Cada doubled up with J-4 versus Buchman's 5-4, Begs had A-6 on the button and would've eliminated Cada. However, since Buchman had been 3-betting Begs all day, Begs didn't want to get involved there...Talk about how one decision changes everything.
Do you see any way for this heads-up match last longer then two hours? If so what would cause it?
I don't. If it lasts more than two hours, it's because both of them keep chopping all ins with A-3 versus A-4
When will the Final Table Pick'em contest be updated with what's happened so far?
It'll be updated after the show airs Tuesday night (9-11 p.m. ET)
Can't we get some live c-span type coverage of this tourney? Put a timer on tanking and I swear I would watch poker longer than any other sport out there.
But since the tournament could last for 17 hours...like it did...would you really want to watch a ticker for that long? I mean, I guess my twitter feed was basically that anyway (@ESPN_Poker)
Andrew, I have seen a lot of critical post of Darvin Moon's play of calling Phil Ivey's all in with AQ. I don't think the play was that bad given the chance to eliminate the most dangerous player at the table; what are your thoughts?
I don't hate Darvin's call there, but it does show he can't get away from the hand. I think that Darvin wouldn't called there with A-J or even A-10 too.
What is the schedule for WSOP on ESPN 2 for the rest of the year please.RDF
Not sure of the schedule, but I do know that ESPN2 will only have reruns of last week's episode tonight.
If Cada wins, does that mean you have to be 21 to win and thus is Annette Orbestad next year's ME favorite?
Yes. If Cada wins it would be extremely difficult to break the record...whatever, I said that last year too!
Andrew, awesome stuff in your final table blog! Can you remember ever seeing a heads-up match between two guys who got it in worse over and over then these two? I love Joe Cada and all, think he's a great player, but wow...
I just want to see a hand hold up tonight...that's about it.
Is there a hand ot two that you can't wait to see tomorrow? If so which one(s)
I don't think there's one specific hand right now that I can remember...there were so many...I'm very interested to see how many times people were 3-betting with absolutely nothing...
what time ont he east coast does the heads up play begin?
1 a.m and you can follow it with my final table blog...
Andrew, I know Cada was extremely lucky, but he was down to his last $2M in chips. I could see the logic behind almost every move he made. Darvin, on the other hand....yikes
Well, most of his moves. There is something to say about Cada putting himself in these positions and most of the time, he was trying to be the aggressor and just ran into big hands...
Where do you sit for the FT and who sits around you? Were you in the same area as the Bluff live feed was?
I sat in the media row in the audience. Bluff's radio feed is actually in a back room away from the table.
Hey Andrew - since South Africa is hosting the FIFA soccer world cup in July 2010 i think it only fitting that we also host the WSOP afrca edition simultaneously ......... and the superbowl as well what do you think ?
Have you heard any word about a possible deal from last night?
I know they said that the Peen & Teller theater was packed to begin with but after 17 hours how did it look in there?
Empty. All the fans that were there at the start for each player left. Those that remained basically made it to the front of the theater or even on stage. After Ivey left, a lot of the random spectators headed out too.
Do the ESPN announcers watch live and announce every hand for 17 hours, in case they make the coverage? If not, how is that done?
They voice the hands afterwards, but Lon and Norm where there for most of the night.
Andrew, despite the fact that Jamie Gold's win in 2006 involved the biggest field in poker history, would you say that Ivey's win this year would have been better for poker than Cunningham's would have been in 2006?
Without a question. If Ivey won we'd be talking about poker in a brand new light on Wednesday.
Why doesn't Harrahs sell tickets to the final table so they can cut down on the tournament rake?
I dont want to see the point where people buy tickets to watch the event. Obviously money is everything here, but live poker is not the most compelling if you don't have a personal rooting interest.
Andrew - when do you expect the 2010 WSOP schedule to be released?
Late december/early January
Phil Hellmuth was very cordial to Cada on the Bluff magazine live feed and praised the way he played. His reactions might have been different had he been on the FT. Truth?
Really? I spoke to Hellmuth afterwards and I'm pretty sure he changed his tune.
Do you think if Moon got coaching like the other players, he would still be in the top 2?
No, because he doesn't make the mistakes he did that got him to this point. I mean, he called Buchman's $20 million all in with K-J, then he was against Cada's all-in with K-9 on a four bet...I mean, these mistakes knocked him down, but he ended up gathering the chips anyway. I think if Darvin had a coach, he's out in 5th.
Hey Andy who do you think ultimately played the best at the final table? Was it even Moon or Cada
Saout takes the cake as mentioned above. Between the final two and despite the luck factor, Cada played a better game.
Any clue why Buchman felt the need to risk 40+ million with AQ?
Four handed against a player who constantly 3-bets your preflop raises, I'd say the A-Q shove was a lot better move than the A-K call. I don't know what Saout put him on, but if he actually realized he was ahead, I give him even more credit than I've been giving him.
Ok everyone, thanks for all the questions. Don't forget to follow the coverage with the live blog starting at 10 p.m PT and then of course watch the show Tuesday at 9 p.m. ET.