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June 17, 4:00 PM ET
Chat with KC Joyner

KC Joyner
  (4:00 PM)

Good afternoon! Let's talk some football!

Ajit (Saratoga, Ca)

Hey kc, In regards to your irreplaceable argument- would peyton manning be irreplaceable though? That team seems like it would just unravel if they lost him.

KC Joyner
  (4:02 PM)

In a word, no. It is as Ernie Accorsi and other personnel gurus have said - quarterback is an entirely different position than the other 21 starting spots.

Knish (NYC)

Great Piece on Revis today...We fans sometime forget how much football is a team game like no other big time sport. A lot of people look at Revis as some machine that cant be beat, like he is some indestructible force....Keep up the great work. Love reading your articles, even if the truth hurts some times.

KC Joyner
  (4:03 PM)

The funny thing is that I said repeatedly that Revis is a great player. The issue is that he isn't irreplaceable, especially for the Jets, and yet that is exactly what some took out of it.

Phil K (Washington DC)

Long time reader, first time poster... Hardcore Steelers fan, what do you think of them without Big Ben for 4 games?

KC Joyner
  (4:04 PM)

After breaking down a tape of their O line last night and seeing that it lost at least one POA block on nearly half of the running plays, I'd say not having Ben is something to really worry about.

KC Joyner
  (4:04 PM)

After breaking down a tape of their O line last night and seeing that it lost at least one POA block on nearly half of the running plays, I'd say not having Ben is something to really worry about.

Zach (Bronx, NY)

What specifically makes a cornerback look good to your "scouting eye?"

KC Joyner
  (4:05 PM)

It's a lot of things - playing with a small snap cushion (i.e. being within 2-3 yards), stopping a variety of routes, making tackles when the receiver catches quick passes.

The Dean (Arlington, VA)

Care to "weigh in" (intentional joke) on Albert Haynesworth? What should my Redskins do?

KC Joyner
  (4:07 PM)

I weighed in on AH a few weeks back. i wrote an Insider article that detailed how he played just as well this past year as he did the previous two (maybe even better) and how he faced a ton of double teams last year. This situation shouldn't be the way it is on either side of argument.

Tom (Boston)

Have you ever looked at tape of Tom Brady at Michigan? Just curious if people missed his greatness or did he just get bigger physically in the NFl which lead to his success. Maybe a new idea (Did the scouts miss this one?)

KC Joyner
  (4:08 PM)

Can't say that I've gone back and looked at Brady's Michigan college tapes (though, as a long-time Maize and Blue fan, I do have some of them), but I should point out that one of the NE scouts did get his future correct. I forget which one or where I read about it (it was in one of the books on Belichick) but that story stuck out to me.

Zach (Bronx, NY)

Am I crazy to think the Raiders will win the AFC West? I don't see to many glaring weaknesses, and I see a ton of strengths. The D-Line looks elite and I like how they used blitzes last year and bringing the underrated Trevor Scott of the edge.

KC Joyner
  (4:09 PM)

It's never been a talent deficiency that has kept the Raiders down, or at least it hasn't in the seven seasons I have been doing this. They have plenty of physical talent on that team and if Cable can get them to play up to their talent level, they would be a contender.

Robert (Huntsville, Al)

Is Josh Reed useful in the slot like a Welker type role? I always liked him out of LSU, but he proved me to be the idiot. Not that it's a hard thing to do, but ya know...

KC Joyner
  (4:10 PM)

Reed is useful as a slot type but he actually has all around skills. His numbers the past couple of seasons have been much better than generally thought.

Mike Shanahan (Washington, DC)

Next on my list of people to alienate: Donovan McNabb

KC Joyner
  (4:12 PM)

I'll point out something here that I pointed out in multiple editions of Scientific Football - Shanahan is someone who looks to correct weaknesses in his players. It doesn't matter if they are good players whose weaknesses can be worked around - he'll push them to get better in their weak areas and if they don't, he'll keep pushing until they either improve or he benches them. It's a self-destructive trait that cost him multiple quality players in Denver and it might be doing the same in year one in Washington.

Gary (Charlotte)

KC, what do you think about the Panthers possibly moving Jon Beason to WLB after the Thomas Davis injury?

KC Joyner
  (4:13 PM)

I still have some Panthers games to break down but from what I've seen thus far on tape, Beason should be able to take over that spot without Carolina missing a beat.

Gorman (Arbutus, MD)

You know alot more about football than I do... How much does Todd Heap have left in the tank? I have his jersey. Thanks!

KC Joyner
  (4:15 PM)

He isn't the player he was a few years ago but he can still block and catch short passes. He's one of those TE types who would fit in well with a Joe Gibbs Redskins team from back in the day. Baltimore's brain trust will know how to continue to get production out of him so keep the jersey.

Tim (El Cajon, CA)

KC, could V Jackson actually be hurting his value if he sits out this year and Floyd and/or Davis have good years?

KC Joyner
  (4:17 PM)

That's another funny thing about the Revis article last week - I heard nary a word about Jackson not being irreplaceable. Jackson is a great talent but he'd do well to wait until he can hit the free market. SD may pay him more than they are paying him right now but if he hits a free market in another year, he'll make a ton of cash.

Richard (West Virginia)

What do you think of John Henderson signing with the raiders can he be an impact player on their run defense

KC Joyner
  (4:18 PM)

Henderson can definitely help. He played a lot of NT in a 30 front last year and he really didn't do that well. Put him in a 40 front and let him one gap and he can still make an impact.

Mike (Baltimore)

Can you explain Baltimore's insanity regarding Jared Gaither. You've said he's near elite. Profootballfocus' metrics places him among the top 3 pass-blocking LTs. The naked eye reveals how great the 24 year-old is. What are the Ravens thinking? OHer isn't close to his talent.

KC Joyner
  (4:20 PM)

There has to be more to this story than meets the eye. Gaither is an elite young talent at a very important position and yet the team he plays for doesn't want him and no team is willing to pay their reportedly reasonable 2nd round price for him.

JC (Atlanta)

KC, how good can KC's secondary be this year with Berry?

KC Joyner
  (4:21 PM)

Very good if they can pair him up with Page. Page is reportedly not happy about his contract and if he isn't back there with Berry, it could be a rough go for the Chiefs. If Page is with him, they'll have elite talent at all four secondary spots. That should open up the blitzing playbook big time and help Kansas City improve their pass rush.

Zach (Bronx, NY)

Which 3 coaches in the NFL currently intrigue you and why?

KC Joyner
  (4:23 PM)

I can give you one. Sean Payton is the most intriguing because his playcalling impact on that offense still hasn't been properly clarified to the point that people truly understand what a playcalling guru he is.

Shane (Los Angeles, CA)

KCJ: Albert Haynesworth is a coward. Never might the fact you would be HARDPRESSED to find someone who supports his position; there is no way this guy is going to grant an interview to anyone to defend his position because his position is undefendable. What in the world is he thinking?? I hope the Redskins are able to recoup their $21M.

KC Joyner
  (4:25 PM)

He might be thinking that Shanahan is doing the same thing he did to his players in Denver by asking them to do things that don't fit their skill set. Haynesworth could be a very good 3-4 NT but he's a better 4-3 under tackle. To ask him to do otherwise is something he didn't sign up for. It should be understandable that he is upset about it.

Lane (Kukuihaele, HI)

Aloha KC. You know for $100 million I'd move to Philly and cheer for the Eagles. I'd even wear their merchandise.

DJ (Chicago)

Why do coaches obsess switching to a 3-4 when they don't have the talent to do it? This is especially true in Washington where they had a top-10 defense and Shanny had run a 4-3 his entire tenure in Denver.

KC Joyner
  (4:28 PM)

That says a ton about the power of money if that kind of dough would get Lane to move to Philly and wear Eagles clothing!

KC Joyner
  (4:29 PM)

It's just another instance of Shanahan being self-destructive. He won despite multiple instances of this showing up in Denver but at some point losing talented players one doesn't need to lose will catch up to him.

Shane (Los Angeles, CA)

KCJ: He was told if he didnt want to play in a 3-4, he would be traded before April 1st; the fact that he took the $21M with the understanding he would play whatevr they asked him to is where most folks have the problem. Can you really defend him in this instance?

KC Joyner
  (4:31 PM)

If that is how it went down, then it is understandable why Washington's fans are upset, but I'd ask why aren't they more upset with Shanahan than they are with Haynesworth?

Mike Shanahan [via mobile]

*crosses KC off of Christmas card list*

KC Joyner
  (4:31 PM)

I think that happened a long time ago!

Lane (Kukuihaele, HI)

How many receptions will miami's davone bess have this season?

KC Joyner
  (4:32 PM)

It depends on if he lands the starting role. If he gets that, he could post 80-100 receptions. If he is a backup, give him 50-70.

Dansby (DC)

Why don't teams run more KC? O lineman love run blocking, it wears down the defense, etc. Heck, most teams should have and use 3-5 RBs. Agreed?

KC Joyner
  (4:34 PM)

It boils down to playcalling. Coordinators and head coaches never want to run the ball when their team is behind on the scoreboard. To truly dedicate to a running game means running even when you are down by one score, but most NFL teams simply won't do that.

Kyle (OH)

Re: Shane (LA, CA), I've worked with Haynesworth in the past and I would highly suggest not calling him a "coward" to his face. Good luck if you do, though.

KC Joyner
  (4:34 PM)

A good word of advice for talking with any NFL player.

DJ (Chicago)

What does WASH think it would take to trade Haynseworth vs what it should cost in the real world? Also, although the Bears say they are done trading future picks i can't help but think a 2nd or 3rd for Big Al can't pay dividends. He can't produce any less than Gaines Adams or be any worse than Tommie Harris.

KC Joyner
  (4:36 PM)

Haynesworth's contract has to be making it difficult to deal him. Any team in the league also won't want the negative PR that comes from paying big money to a player with a bad reputation (even if that reputation is undeserved).

Eric (Chicago)

KC, with Hixon (NYG) now out for the season, what kind of production do you see coming from Hakeem Nicks?

KC Joyner
  (4:36 PM)

I see a dominant year out of Nicks. He ran the tree well in college and did the same in year one for NY. Now that he has had a year to work with Eli, the sky is the limit for him.

Sean (Annapolis, MD)

What do you think of Dallas Clark? I think he is overrated and helped by the surrounding core. You?

KC Joyner
  (4:38 PM)

Every study I've done on Clark shows that he excels at working out of the standard TE spot. He isn't a great flex TE but he had to take on that role for a while when Indy had injuries at that spot. Last year, Collie was able to man the slot WR position and that helped Clark move to TE and post excellent numbers. As long as he can stay there, he'll be a top five receiving TE.

Frat (Athens, GA)

What are your expectations for Matt Ryan entering his third season? Does he prove to everyone that he is the next big thing?

KC Joyner
  (4:40 PM)

His #2 season wasn't as good as his

Aggie (TX)

Hey KC. Love your work. Do you think Alan Ball (a converted CB) will fit in better than Ken Hamlin at Free Safety for the Cowboys D, considering the fact that Wade Phillips prefers man to man coverage in most of his schemes? And does that upgrade in coverage abilities result in more flexibility in blitzing schemes from the Cowboys?Thanks

KC Joyner
  (4:43 PM)

The Cowboys actually ranked very well in vertical YPA allowed last year, so I think they are closer to excellence in this area than is generally thought. I think they would prefer to put a ballhawk back there rather than a cover guy and that is why they are considering Ball. Ballhawking is great but their defensive scheme needs a cover person more than an interceptor, so whoever fits that role better is who they should go with.

Lane (Kukuihaele, HI)

Didn't Coach Shanahan go around and talk to coaches like Bill Belichick about defensive strategies? Don't you think he's adjusting like how Tom Osborne went from a 5-2 defense to an attacking 4-3 at Nebraska or Jim Boeheim going to a 2-3 zone at Syracuse or Bill Walsh going to the west coast offense?

KC Joyner
  (4:45 PM)

That very well could be the case. The only issue there is if Shahanan made the decision to move to a 3-4, it was then his job to sell Haynesworth on the move. Not to tell him we are making this move because I said so and you have to do it (which history suggests is Shahanan's way when dealing with players he is asking to make changes) but rather to get AH to buy into it.

Matt (Rochester NY)

Hi KC - I really liked your article on Revis. Did you notice any particular ways the Ryan Defense helps corners? I have always heard the pundits say "You cannot mask bad coverage" yet Ryan seems to prove this wrong. Is it just the Pass Rush/Front 7? Anything that could be picked up by other Teams with Secondary Issues (Titans; Cowboys ect..)?

KC Joyner
  (4:47 PM)

You have to make the offense focus on stopping the pass rush. If the offense has to spend its playcalling time on doing that, they won't be able to attack coverage weaknesses as well. That's the key.

Kev (NYC)

I heard on an MLB telecast last night, that there might be a ton of prospects who are under-sized and throw mid-80s, but would have had a lot of success like Moyer, Mussina, etc. How would uoi equate this to the NFL Scouting process? How much does size & skill make it difficult for the under-sized player of who could have made a major impact? Thanks!

KC Joyner
  (4:49 PM)

There are a lot of undersized talented players who probably could play in the NFL, but the issue is different in football in that players can hit one another. Moyer and Mussina didn't have to worry about the batters coming out and tackling them and that made their size less of a detriment. That isn't the case for smaller players in the NFL and that is why they will always be a limited commodity.

KC Joyner
  (4:49 PM)

There are a lot of undersized talented players who probably could play in the NFL, but the issue is different in football in that players can hit one another. Moyer and Mussina didn't have to worry about the batters coming out and tackling them and that made their size less of a detriment. That isn't the case for smaller players in the NFL and that is why they will always be a limited commodity.

J (Milwaukee)

Will Chan Gailey unleash L. Evans this year? I think of Gailey as more of a "stunt" co-ordinator than someone who sends players on 9 routes. Any thoughts on what to expect from Lee?

KC Joyner
  (4:50 PM)

Gailey is the type of coach who won't let a vertical talent go to waste. Evans could see more vertical passes this year than in any other season in his entire career.

Mike (Ohio) [via mobile]

The real reason Hicks may have a break out year is not because of having that year to work with Eli. It's because of the arrival of The Sorginator, Jim Sorgi! No one, and I mean no one, is better at holding a clipboard than The Sorginator.

KC Joyner
  (4:52 PM)

Sounds like a vote for Sorgi as MVP!

Kev (NYC)

Please settle a debate for me. Kurt Warner is a (Insert Adjective here) _____ Hall of Famer and he is a top ___ QB of all time. Thanks.

KC Joyner
  (4:53 PM)

3rd-5th ballot, 20-25.

Brad (Buffalo)

It's not just the Ravens that are insane. How about the Bills not jumping at the chance to get a top five LT for merely a 2nd rounder. They are delusional if they think Karl Malone's son is the future.

KC Joyner
  (4:53 PM)

That simply shows there has to be more to the Gaither situation than meets the eye.

Vince Young (Dallas area strip club)

I may be dumb but I am still an ascending player in this league arent I?

KC Joyner
  (4:55 PM)

He's a great talent on the field who will only get better the longer he's in the lineup. If he can avoid more off-field problems, he'll develop into a top 15 QB.

Eric (Chicago)

Um KC, who is going to be throwing that deep ball to Lee Evans this year? Will they have time to throw? Also, where's the APB out for JP Losman?

KC Joyner
  (4:56 PM)

Losman - that's a name that will live in this chat forever. Last check said he was with Seattle.

Nick (Whitney Point,ny)

How do you think D.Mcnabb will do in washington? does he have enough weapons? with out westbrook in the backfield do you think he will be as productive with clinton portis

KC Joyner
  (4:58 PM)

I did an Insider article on this a few weeks back. In a nutshell, McNabb likely won't be that big of a statistical upgrade over Jason Campbell. He might not even do as well if his WR corps doesn't improve.

Jeff (Chicago)

KC, I'm thinking of starting up a UFL Fantasy League...you want in as the first official member after the commissioner?

KC Joyner
  (4:59 PM)

I'll say maybe at the moment. I'm trying to keep my fantasy league participation down to a manageable number (thinking around five) and I don't know how many SportsNation chat leagues there will be. Hit me with that question a bit closer to the start of the season.

KC Joyner
  (5:03 PM)

Well, it's been a fun hour but I've got to hit the road. Don't forget that you can follow my material on Twitter at kcjoynertfs. Hope to see you all next week!