Hey everyone. Welcome to Tuesdays WSOP chat! I hope you've had a chance to watch this week's ESPN Inside Deal. Send in your questions, I'll get started in a second.
Scott Montgomery - Lord of the Donkaments???
Seriously! It used to be the idea that Montgomery would make it out of day 1 and then just blow it, but suddenly he's able to hold onto his chips. Pretty impressive job so far...
Why, yes. Yes I am.
Since i don't get ESPN3 (darn my ISP), I've been reading the TOC updates on wsop.com and I've literally not seen anything about Cloutier. Is he trying to fold into the money? What's the deal?
TJ really didn't get too involved the first two days. He had his moments, but honestly, as you were reading, stayed out of the way. I saw a lot of players three-bet him as he's been playing relatively tight. At that point it's either him folding or more of his chips in the pot and his opponent's folding.
Why, yes. Yes I am.
Complete amateur (read non-winning player) but love the game... any idea when they'll publish the 2011 WSOP schedule? This years was in december.. I'll be in Vegas again next June so going to play in at least one, maybe a few of the smaller events, do you think they'll keep the same level of $1000 - $2000 buyins? Also, does Negreanu play cash often.. because his tourney bankroll seems to be taking a hell of a hit...
Hi Josh. They'll publish next year's schedule this coming December as you mentioned. I see no reason that the WSOP would remove the $1,000 weekend events or any of the 1,500s as they consistently get huge fields. You'll be able to play in them next year for sure. Yes, Negreanu plays cash as well, but keep in mind that his bankroll is supplemented from his PS deal. These tournaments are most likely a freeroll...
Andrew, do I have any shot left at a bracelet this year? Or will all these idiots keep winning my bracelets?
Looks like the "idiots" are going to prevail. That said, there are still a few more events, and you made it to another Day 2 today, so you've still got a chance. I haven't looked it up, but I'd be interested to see the breakdown of number of tournaments you've entered and how many day 2s you've made in 2010.
Any chance that we can get to see Day 3 of the TOC on ESPN3?
I reached out to my ESPN3 counterparts and they said that it is doubtful we'll be able to show Day 3. However, the final table will of course be broadcast on ESPN in August.
Hachem has a bit of a rep as a "salty" player sometimes, as you mentioned in recent tweets. Any truth to that? I know his brother is a bit of a hothead.
Hachem does have the salty side, but that's just part of his game. I have no problem with Joe at all, but you can see why some would say he's a bit harsh at the table.
Who is the most attractive "known" female player in person? I would imagine either Liv Boeree or Jennicide... obviously excluding Shannon Elizabeth
We're back to this question? Didn't we do this last week?
After 2 days of the TOC there are still 17 players left, and now they can't schedule the event to continue soon because the players involved have too many other poker and even non-poker commitments?! At this point, does anyone but the players still care, especially with Ivey no longer in it?
I'm still pretty interested. This is an absolute unfortunate circumstance for the players. As I said a couple times last week, the TOC event should be played November 9 weekend and let the WSOP make it a bigger spectacle. Play it on the Penn and Teller stage, hype it up, serve it right. the 17 players that remain will now have to figure out what to do...Honestly, they're playing for a 500K top prize and I'd assume that any event they're going to enter this week will not have a first-place prize that high. If it's a money thing, they should play the TOC. If its a bracelet thing, they should concentrate on the last few events.
Besides Bax and Sheets who are some of the big backers? And any idea who some of their horses are?
Lindgren is a huge backer which is why you'll notice the first person that both Gavin and Chris Bell thanked was in fact Edog. FBT also plays the backing game pretty legitimately. I'm pretty sure if you name a player, Edog, Bax/Sheets, FBT have had a piece of them in the past.
Am I right that Patrick Antonius is nowhere to be found at the Rio? Why is it that a player like him, who is so similar to Ivey and durrr in so many other ways, seems to shy away from bracelet bets and other things centered around the WSOP?
He likes money? It's more profitable to play cash games than play the high variance tournaments.
Would ESPN pay for your entry to the main event?
That's a good one...
I noticed the turnout for Caesar's Mega Stack series has been pathetic, especially compared to that for the Venetian's Deepstack event. Do you think Harrah's will drop the Mega Stack series next year? Will this provide more impetus for them to move the WSOP to their premeir center-strip property?
The exposure just isn't there. Players are excited about playing in the Venetian because it is THE place to play when you're not at the WSOP. I'd be shocked if half the players knew about the mega stack...It's more a marketing thing. Harrah's wants players at the Rio for the WSOP
Greg Muller, sorry.
Just finished playing an event this weekend and was told there is a dealer shortage at the WSOP. What is that about?
I really hadn't heard anything about this. I'd assume that if there's a problem now, you'll be fine by this weekend.
I'm not buying your answer to the question about Antonius. Just ask Lederer and Ivey about the variance and profits that can be attached to bracelet bets. Something tells me that no matter how juicy the cash games are that Antonius might be playing, they won't involve multimillions like we're hearing are at stake in these bracelet bets.
There's a huge variance in the bracelet bets and yes, you're right, there's probably more money there than in a standard cash game. However, I think he's staying away from them this year. Antonius usually puts a lot of action on sports betting, maybe that's why we aren't hearing his name attached to the bracelet bets this year.
will the PS and FT agents be out and about the felt for say...... event 54?
Doubtful. No TV time, no ESPN3, just another final table...if you make it, take it down...
Okay, be honest. You've done more than a dozen of these chats already and there's only so many times you can answer questions about Ivey and how many people you think will enter the WSOP. At some point you have to dread doing these again and again, no?
Nah. These daily chats are a good time. The ones during the main event are a little more exciting than the build up during these, but it's always fun to do.
Is Dan Shak actually a good player? All I know about him is he's independently wealthy and has an ex-wife with nice features.
Dan Shak has been a solid player for a number of years now. He has the money, plays in the high-roller events and does well. Gotta trust that he knows what he's doing.
Terry, look at it like investing. The bracelet bets are like the stock market...high risk-high reward. The cash games, to someone like Antonius, are T-Bills...low-risk, almost certain return. Antonius just prefers the lower risk investment compared to Ivey and Durrrr.
do you have any info on Mitch Schock and if he has had any decent results at the WSOP.?
He's had 3 WSOP cashes and a win in the $500 Venetian Deepstacks event. Earnings probably total nearly $30K.
Andrew, what is the worst bad beat you have seen in WSOP? Mine is a friend who lost with quads. Got beat by higher quads on turn and river.
A guy folding aces twice on the bubble last year. That's a bad beat to watch. He was afraid to put chips in the pot...Seriously, I've seen quads over quads a few times, and it doesn't get any worse.
Judging by the results, perhaps Chops should refer to the 2010 WSOP as Year of the November Niners(TM)
I'm sure he already trademarked that. Great point though. Montgomery, Buchman, Ivey. Schaffel leads today. Hamrick was close...I like it.
Any chances of Day 1d of the main event being sold out again this year?
Yes and No. I think they'll close registration in advance to avoid this problem. We'll never see the problem we saw last year, but it might be sold out.
For a while it seemed like online training sites were popping up all over the place, but now there are not as many and some of the instructors are no longer successful players. Is this just a case of the training sites mirroring the poker sites - huge boom and then only the biggest and best end up surviving? Do you see a next generation of these kid of sites emerging soon, or down the road?
I think the sites are still going to be the next big thing in poker training. While we've seen some cool features to date, there's a lot more that players can and will do to help grow these sites. I think ghosting sessions will continue to become more popular and somehow, a site will emerge that really perfects that offering.
What do you think is the cause of all the pre-flop shoving at the last couple ME final tables? The players have plenty of blinds in front of them. Is it nerves? Lack of experience? Alcohol?
It's just become the newer strategy for the game. Players these days want to put maximum pressure on their opponents. They don't want to be the ones to make the tough decision, so they force the issue. Why raise 3X if you know that if he reraises you to 9X, you're going to have a decision to make. Instead, you shove for 20. I don't love the move since, as you noted, it takes away a lot from the game, but keeping the foot on the pedal is a growing trend
Any pros you would bet on to have an early exit from the main event?
Doyle. The poker legend hasn't made it through a day 1 in a few years if I remember correctly. The main just hasn't been nice to him.
Now that Gavin has finally got his first bracelet this weekend, who is the best player alive without a bracelet? (Let me guess your answer: Phil Gordon)
I wouldn't have put Gavin ahead of Andy Bloch, Patrik Antonius, Tom Dwan or Gus Hansen. Or Chad Brown. Didn't really change my list all that much, but definitely congrats to Gavin. Amazing win for him and couldn't be happier.
For the last 5 years or so, nearly all (if not all) of the players that reached the ME final table won at least a million dollars. But only a few of them have really had any notable success afterwards, even though many have continued to play a lot of events. Do you think that any of the "luckboxes" had any sense to quit while they were ahead, or was it too hard to resist the sense that they somehow know what they were doing, so they went broke?
I think a lot of the players we don't hear about did take their money and use it for other things. That said, I think almost all the former Main event final tablists still play in the main event each year...except for Tuan Lam. I have no idea where Tuan Lam has been.
There's been a lot of talk about how Jason Mercier just doesn't have the personality to be the next big star. When I hear that I think of Huck Seed. Undeniable talent, but just lacks the personality of Hellmuth/Negreanu/Nguyen to be an ambassador for the game.
Great point. I think Jason has been working on that though with PS. They're definitely trying to groom him for the role, but to date, it hasn't been working.
Isn't it about time to put the "best player without a bracelet" discussion to rest? Maybe in years past this was an interesting debate, but with 21 year olds playing in the WSOP having already seen as many hands and made tons of money from playing online, can there even be this kind of a discussion? After all, some might've argued that 2 years ago after he played his first event that durrr was already the best player without a bracelet.
I don't think we ever can or will. Dwan was really an exception when his part of the discussion came up. He really was one of the best in the world and deserved being on the list when he made his WSOP debut. There will always be young players who come up, but those that have put in their time on the circuit will consistently be recognized more often on that list.
Mercier has gotten better, but he still is very tight-lipped when it comes to strategy and has a phobia of ever admitting he made a bad play. Fantastic Huck Seed comparison.
Can FTP pros go on the PS Big Game? That'd be a crying shame if they can't.
Interesting story. Both sites were taping their new TV shows at the same time, so the FTP pros were busy on one side of Vegas while the PS pros were busy on the other. Can't wait to see FTP's doubles poker though. Pretty awesome concept and from what I've heard, angry table chat.
Of the 2009 November Niners who are we more likely to never hear from again? Has to be between Darvin Moon and Steve Begleiter, right?
You'll hear from Begs for sure. I'd go with Darvin and back up the truck.
With higher numbers in the non holdem events this year, is there any chance that ESPN will reconsider broadcasting some of these events. I understand that the ratings are initially better for the holdem events, but there are poker fans who would love these events. I mean, it has to do better than some strong man contest, right?
We've done our research and what we've received is feedback that our viewers prefer no-limit hold 'em. I know that the mixed/other non-hold 'em games are growing, but I'm pretty sure that our team will have to see massive amounts of feedback (and corresponding ratings) in order to make a change. Maybe ESPN3 can offer some in 2011...we'll see.
Thanks for all the questions today guys. Appreciate it! Speak to you all tomorrow.