Greetings Fight Freaks and welcome to Rafael After Dark. Been a good night of boxing not to mention last night's/this morning's Arum conference call about Pacquiao-Mayweather. Plenty to talk about. So let's get to it.
who doyou think tim ithoy will fight next?
Well he just called out Pacquiao in the ring during his HBO interview with Max Kellerman. He also said Devon Alexander, Maidana and Khan at 140. Bring 'em on.
Hey Dan,Just wonderin, who did you vote for as Fighter of the Decade & Year? What's ur comment about Floyd as ESPY Fighter of the year?
I voted for Pacquiao. The ESPYs are a popularity contest in the US, so I am not surprised Mayweather won.
So I took my dog out to pee and missed Angulo's knock-out, please don't banish me!!!!
That's pretty funny.
If Mayweather-Pacquiao doesn't go down, who's to blame
Until we know what the terms were for Mayweather that he rejected it's hard to say but it at least looks like it's Mayweather's fault at this moment.
is chavez jr the next PPV king?
If Mayweather-Pacquiao "exclusive" negotiations end today, why has there been non-stop reports about Pacquiao fighting Margarito in Mexico/Middle East, or Pacquiao fighting Cotto again? Isn't Arum already negotiating other fights for Pacquiao?
Supposedly he has not begun talks with their management yet. Figure that will start on Monday.
D$ - Wouldn't it better to have Margarito fight Angulo instead of getting a super payday against Pacquiao?
Obviously it makes no sense for Margarito if he can get Pacquiao. Did you not take economics?
Why do the celtics feel the need to sign all these old guys in order to form a better team yet they never sign a young person who could benefit to the team in a few years when it will be rondo and perkins
It's a boxing chat dude. Get a clue.
Freaks, Fernando Montiel just knocked out Concepcion in the third round to retain his unified 118 titles.
the promoters of the sport need to do a better job of promoting their young talent. get these guys as many media appearances as possible, do meet and greets for free for the public etc. nobody knows who they are and that is a promoters job
They do that a lot actually.
Why hasn't Floyd at least made it official and rejected the fight? Is there a chance hes still mulling it over since its still on the table and is just posturing.
Who the hell knows?
Angulo vs Cotto? Interested and any chance of happening?
We've discussed that in the chats before. I love the fight. Doubt it happens.
By the way -- Tua was held to a draw by Monte Barrett. PATHETIC.
at some point and time Bradley has got to be called for these headbutts. it happens in all of his fights
Abregu was also leaning in.
Angulo looked beast. Could you see him taking on the likes of P Williams next?
No. Let's not get carried away.
Margarito or Cotto? Now who is ducking fighters? Why is Arum not talking about a better match up? Trying to keep the money in house or is it because he knows it will be easy to make?
Ding, ding, ding.
Arum was more lienient with Money than I was expecting. How bout u dannomite?
He was because he still wants the fight at the very least for next year. Before I decided I want to hear from the Mayweather camp.
Hey, Dan, I stayed up until 3 am to listen to Arum's press conference and listen to you ask the FIRST question. Freak status?
What would have made you a Freak is if you had listened to the whole thing and also heard me ask the final question.
Dan,Barrett was just robbed against Tua. Disgraceful DRAW by the judges. Awful
Hey Dan, I thought Bradley was solid tonight. He is not going to get a fight with Pacquiao, so maybe he could land a fight with Mosley if he gets past Mora. Also, I do not want to see Cotto get beat up by Pac man again. I think Berto- Cotto sounds better?
Bradley was not spectacular but he did what he had to and manhandled a solid opponent in a new weight class. He's very good. Back to 140 for the big fights he can actually get. I want to see him and Alexander.
Is Montiel vs. Donaire next?
That's Top Rank's plan for the fall. I think Showtime will be very interested in that fight. It's a good one.
Bradley impresses me every time he fights. He's slowly becoming one of my favorite, if not my favorite fighter.
He's very steady. I don't think he does anything great, but he works his butt off in the ring and pretty much does everything very well. He's a quality fighter without question, one of the top 10 p4p.
Did Tua win tonight? If he did, Adamek vs Tua would be a SICK fight to make happen assuming Adamek knocks out glass chin Michael Grant.
Tua got a pathetic draw. He should have absolutely destroyed Barrett.
Can you name a better finisher in the game than Angulo?
He's certainly up there. When he hurts, you finishes you.
Tua - Barrett a draw? Sadly I take it you are not kidding?!?! That, along with the previous half dozen years, have to make Tua one of the most wasted heavyweight talents of all time?
Bradley's D looks a little suspect. He drops his hands often, and lays to his right a lot, and takes some punches. How do you see his defense holding up against top welters, who could put a lot more hurt on him than Abregu?
He does need to work on that obviously. He left himself open too much and a quicker guy could exploit that more than Abregu.
Did Zab Judah just take himself OUT of any big 140 fights due to his "impressive" performance? We already know GBP is going to protect Khan and Ortiz. If Bradley and Alexander go at it next year, does that leave Judah without a dance partner at 140?
Judah is a name. Judah is good. Judah is a guy HBO will have no problem putting on. Judah can talk up a fight great. He'll get something big.
what did you think of angulo tonight? fluke, or ready to step up?
I was impressed. I thought Alcine would take him deeper and get stopped, but not in one. I think the first big shot Angulo hit him with and the fight was basically over.
Alcine looked scared from the get go and unsure of himself. When is Angulo going to fight someone who is just on his level again, who is not scared and will fight back smart, like a Erislandy Lara? That's a great BAD main event.
The Lara people said they would take that fight. Angulo's team wasn't so interested.
very dissapointed that the fight has yet been made and another failed attempt. speculation in the Mayweather camp is Roger's pending case and the possibility of him not training Mayweather. Question is, how big of an impact can that really be, no chances of having Floyed trained by his father?
It could be a possible reason. But here's the thing -- if it really is, fine, then just say it. Don't stay silent because it makes him look like he's scared.
Any idea on a location for Gamboa/Rojas yet?
dan, great card last night on showtime! would be great to see more cards full of prospects fighting each other! how did you score guerrero-smith?
It was a very good show. I thought Guerrero eked it out.
Angulo-Alvarez bring it on!!!!!
Another good one. Golden Boy doesn't have the stones to try to make that.
Please tell me Tua / Barrett was not some BS title eliminator.
Not that I aware of. It was for Tua's regional belt.
i think bradley gets smoked by mayweather and pacquiao. your thoughts?
I don't know about smoked, but I would make him a big dog to both of them.
After last night's KO, where do you see Judah's place in the Junior Welterweight division? Possibly a Kahn match-up in the fall?
I think Zab fits in with any major fight at 140 but I do not believe he will get Khan. If Marquez beats Diaz on July 31 I think we're going to see Khan-Marquez on Dec. 11 on HBO.
Am I the only one who has zero interest in Bradley-Pac? Bradley poses no threat whatsoever and would be a wasted fight for Pac.
I'm not too interested in that either at the moment. If Pacquiao is not fighting Mayweather, before I want to see him fight Bradley I'd rather see Pacman against Berto or Williams or even Angulo.
Who is the next Mexican superstar? Julio Ceaser Chavz Jr? Saul Alvarez? or Alfredo Angulo?
All three have fan bases. Chavez's is probably the biggest right now. Alvarez's growing. Angulo has a ways to go but he can also become big with the Mexicans and Mexican-Americans.
Do you think Guerrero's struggles with Ishe Smith last night showed a weakness in his game or was Ishe just that good?
I think every young fighter needs a veteran to push him and Guerrero, who is only 23 and has only been a pro less than two years, got that push last night. He will be better because of it.
Just out of curiosity DKP was mention tonight before the Alcine-Angulo fight, what was his stake in that fight?
I believe he has a piece of Alcine.
Any chance Haye fights Adamek next? And if so, would you give Haye a little credit for taking a tough fight? Or think that its Klitschko or bust?
I doubt Haye fights Adamek next.
Awwwwwwwwwwww the love child
That's my line. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Love Child.
Lou Dibella said today on his twitter that he would be open to Angulo-Martinez at 155 for Martinez's middle weight strap. Im a huge fan of both and would love that fight. You think "El Perro" can pull of the upset?
Interesting fight. I think Martinez might be too much for Angulo, but it's interesting. Martinez is 35 now and Angulo is much younger and strong as a bull.
Dan, now that they've both beaten Ishe Smith in tough fights, any chance of Jacobs-Guerrero?
Maybe in the future but it makes zero sense right now. They fought in the amateurs by the way.
Great stoppage in the Angulo fight.
Am I the only one who thinks Arum will make sure Montiel-Donaire doesnt happen and keep putting them in PPV undercards that are worth absolutey anything
No. I actually think if Showtime makes a legit offer for the fight it will happen in the fall.
D$ - Did a little shine come off of Shawn Porter last night?
I don't know about that because I have not been overhyped on him. He's a very good prospect but also raw. He did a good job last night winning a tough fight. I won't fault him for that.
Dan I was impressed with Zab's performance last night, but what was up with him wearing all of the belts after the fight?? Seems like he is just trying to relive old glory??
Lots of guys wear their old belts. Hell, they paid for 'em, might as well get some use out of 'em.
"If Marquez beats Diaz on July 31 I think we're going to see Khan-Marquez on Dec. 11 on HBO." Here's to hoping then that Marquez gets smoked.
Why? I like that fight.
Kudos to Max for calling out GBP and Top Rank
Whats next for Berto?
Very quiet on that front right now.
Thank you freaks for the promotion.
Hey Dan, what was Ross Greenburg's reacation to all this (Arums deadline and Mayweather's silence). It seems he really tried to get this fight done.
I have not spoken to him since it went down. Knowing him and how important this fight is to him, I am sure he is bitterly disappointed. Bottom line is if the fight gets made, he will get a lot of the credit. And, of course, on the flip side, if it doesn't, he gets part of the blame.
Sadam Ali looked real impressive last night. Your thoughts on this kid early in his career?
He did look pretty good. He was a good amateur -- made the 2008 Olympic team. I'm not sure he is in the right weight class.
I think Haye will fight Tua next now that he sees no danger in that fight. Then Haye will say he beat a ferocious puncher, and then go back into hiding again!!
Don't give him any ideas.
Like your Khan-Marquez matchup. Do you think there's any chance in the future that Marquez gets a shot at Pacman again maybe at 140, or is it a done deal not to happen since Pac already moved to welterweight?
I don't see that happening right now, if ever. It would mean GB and Top Rank working together, which is dicey these days. I don't think Pacquiao needs or wants Marquez. And IF it happened, I would imagine he would make Marquez come up to welter.
Max called out TR and GB, but the main event was an ALL GSP show, with the Alexander fight being an ALL DKP. Bradley could have fought Alexander without this fight, what BS by Max. If you're going to call people out, call them all out.
There's nothing wrong with a promoter having both sides of a fight. But when it is done to make a lesser fight over an obvious fight the fans want it becomes a problem.
I am a big Pac fan and until now all his last fights since Marquez 2 made sense, even Clottey (it being on short notice), but Cotto (whom i also like) or Margacheato no one, but Arum wants to see that. Give us Bradley, heck i rather want to see Marquez 3.
I have heard from fans like crazy today about how much they DON'T want to see Cotto rematch or Margarito. They're going to be hard sells. I think Manny will have a hard getting up for them and I believe the media will have a hard time mustering enthusiasm for either of them.
You mentioned Daniel Jacobs and Fernando Guerrero fought in the amatuers, who won?
I think they fought multiple times and I do not recall who did what. I am pretty sure they all beat each other -- Jacobs, Guerrero, Shawn Estrada, etc... Honestly, I think I have a DVD somewhere with one of their matches on it. I need to go dig that up.
Another bad thing about Floyd-Pac not getting made is now all these fighters will be calling them out and alot of fights wont get made cuz of it
Maybe, but Floyd probably won't fight this year and Manny's next fight will be made shortly.
Dan, why not Judah-Bradley?
I'm down with that. Bring it on.
If it's not ok to have 2 fighters with the same manager or advisor fighting each other, why is it ok that 2 fighters with the same promoter fight each other?
Promoters have no fiduciary duty to the fighter. The manager does.
Dan who would win a hypothetical matchup between Paul Williams-Thomas Hearns?? I say Hearns' power would be too much.
I would say I agree.
Does HBO have a date for Martinez yet?
Oct. 2 for the Williams fight if they make the deal. So far no deal. If they don't make the deal, I am not sure what will be with Martinez, although since he is willing to fight anyone I would hope HBO won't punish him because Williams won't take the fight.
Good to see Maidana getting back into the action again. But against Corley? Guess its considered a tune up fight eh?
For a smaller-money, hometown fight nothing wrong with it. At least Corley comes and gives an honest effort.
Is ti just me or is the whole Mayweather-Pac negotiating tiresome? I remember when Pac beat Cotto Pac-May was mentioned in the news in MEXICO!!! I think if they keep it up with the false suspense it wont be as big as it would of been say the or now.
Tiresome? Who you tellin'? I was up at 3 am last night, pounded out 1500 words and got like 4 hours of sleep. Not to mention I have written a ton on this fight so far and it is still not made. It disgusts me.
I'd like to see Maidana / Bailey over Corley.
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. But that is not the fight in the budget for August and a fight that wouldn't happen in Argentina.
Hey Dan, hope you have had a nice night. Where is Randall Bailey? Anything new? Also, does Vargas make it 5 with Segura?
Randall Bailey is in line to fight for a title, so his sked is up in the air. Lou DiBella told me the other day there has been talks about a fight with Hlatshwayo in Belgium, where they have a good offer, but if he takes it it might bump him from his mandatory spot because of the timing. They're not happy, but they are waiting to see how things shake out with the IBF.
Any word on Guillermo Rigondeaux, is his manager situation cleared up, and has he signed that deal with Top Rank? I want to see him back in the ring.
Arum told me yesterday they have it worked out and are exchaning paperwork to formally make Rigondeaux a Top Rank fighter, but it isn't done yet.
Dan, what's next for Eric Morel after he pulled out of his fight? Will he ever get a shot a Montiel, etc. after the latest shenanigans?
Who cares? He's a waste of time.
Dan, As good as Poppa-Kellermen are I thought having an RJJ etc with them ringside would've added to the broadcast. Your thoughts?
I sort of agree. I have gotten used to three guys.
What ever happened to James De La Rosa? Ever since he signed with Kind he disapeared, dissapointing for a pretty promising fighter.
Typical of guys who sign with King. Lots of promises and no fights.
This is all good but the fight I want to see is Juanma vs Marquez. I think the straight punching Marquez wins by KO. What do you think Dan?
I love the fight but I like Lopez. I think it's a helluva fight.
how do you think bradley's speed would hold up against maidanals power? Do you willingness to exchange would be a detriment to him in that fight?
I think that's a very interesting fight also, one of several at 140. I know if Maidana lands flush he can put anyone to sleep.
Dan why is Mosley-Mora on PPV? I take it HBO didnt buy it But why did GBP even make that fight? Mora or Mosley have never been big sellers.
No network wants it, the fighters expect to fight, so they're putting it on PPV and if folks want to see it they can buy it. I think it tanks on PPV personally, but it ain't my money at risk.
call me crazy, but I'd like to see Pac Man vs. Zab at MSG. Would be a big deal in New York.
Manny will never fight in NY because of the tax situation. Unless that was changed, forget about it.
Hey D$ - Has HBO come to you about being the third for the BAD telecast? I heard there was a petition.
LOL. No. And yes, one of the Freaks did put up an Internet petition, which I found flattering.
will you be in Vegas for JMM-Diaz?
Yes I will. But first comes a trip next week to Bristol for FNF.
Dan,How much did Mayweather make for the Mosley fight? Over $20 mill?
Yes, a lot more.
Who do you think is next for Paul Williams? I like a rematch w/ Martinez.
I think at the end of the day, they'll make the Martinez rematch.
Is this really the way to negotiate a big fight with no contact whatsoever between Pac and Floyd's camps? This is like the Middle East peace negotiations. Can they really not sit down and talk straight between each other?
Hey Danorama. Any chance Pacquiao sits it out and waits for Mayweather next year? Also any chance Mayweather changes his mind and comes calling on Monday?
No. Manny is fighting Nov. 13.
If Cotto doesn't get a rematch with Pacquiao do you think his most lucrative option then becomes a fight with Kermit Cintron in Puerto Rico?
No. Cintron doesn't deserve that fight and I don't know anyone who really is calling for that fight. I'd rather see Cotto fight Berto or even Angulo.
Ross Greenburg may be disappointed with not having Pac-Floyd, but how much you wanna bet he still broadcasts Pac-Cotto II or Pac-Margartio?
I'm sure HBO will be involved because this is still business and Manny is still the p4p king.
was the first williams-martienz jr middle? and would the (hopeful) rematch be at middle?
It was at middle and certainly if there's a rematch it would be at middle for the title.
D$, harder puncher @140 Bailey or Maidana?
What's going on with Victor Ortiz? Is he being discussed with any of Top fighters at 140 or they still trying to build up his confidence after Maidana
GB may put him on the Sept. 18 ppv against Vivian Harris.
he dropped Tua in the 12th wow out of all the the fighters David has fought he gets dropped by Barret for the first time in his career the heavyweight divison is just trash
Pathetic. Tua has seen better days.
does anybody know why Pacman's so strict about havin to fight november 13!?
That's the PPV date and he has his congressional schedule.
It would be great if Pacquiao fought the #1 guy at 154 which is Dzindziruk. Who would you pick in that fight?
You have a better chance of flying to the end of a rainbow and getting the pot of gold. That fight makes zero sense since Sergei is unknown in the US.
Is Manny gone? Is it safe to come out from under the bed yet?
Bradley made it plain and simple " I challenge Manny at 147"..Will Manny answer that challenge?
Manny doesn't have to. He's the one with the leverage. I can't blame Bradley for calling him out but it isn't going to help, at least not yet.
Dan not sure if you saw it but there was a sad story on the current status on Matthew Saad Muhammed in the Philly Herald. Hard to believe how many of these guys blow threw millions.
I did see that and it is sad.
Jose benavidez from phx az is a future star in my opinion curious on what u think about him!!!
Good prospect. I've seen him a few times, including live. Top Rank views him as a future star of its stable. Freddie Roach, his trainer, is very high on him and it's easy to see why. He's very tall for 140. He is very poised for being so young (18 I think). He's got a lot of natural ability and his size will be an avantage.
Dan, if Floyd comes back and says he won't fight this year, but wants to negotiate a fight for first quarter '11, then Manny scraps the Nov 13th fight right?
No. Listen up -- once more - Manny is fighting Nov. 13. End of story.
MIA: Felix Sturm
Fighting Sept. 4 against Marco Antonio Rubio now that he is free of Universum.
Hi Dan...this may have been covered...but with all the possible Pacman opponents why is it that Mosley's name doesn't come up? It would make for a good "1-up on Floyd" if Pac dominates Shane even more than he did...perhaps even a stoppage? Seems possible to me.
It is not possible. Shane is already scheduled for Sept. 18. It is also a very tough sell following Mosley getting routed by Mayweather, so very little public demand. And it also brings in a Top Rank-GB co-promotion, which ain't happening right now except in the case of Pac-May.
Any interest in Zab-Malignaggi?
I always thought that would be a fun New York fight. That said, I think Zab crushes Paulie.
Anything new on ESPN picking up Klit / Povetkin?
No and I wouldn't hold my breath.
Dan, why not have a berto v. bradley fight on Pac undercard in Nov. and winner gets Pac or something to promote a future opponent should Fraud not want the fight instead of giving us retreads and rematches
You have no idea how the finances of a fight work. No money to put Berto on that undercard. Different promtoters and Berto makes big money on HBO.
benavidez-gomez at 147 in 2014....1 mill ppv buys?
One never knows, but very doubtful.
I just went back and rewatched some of Devon Alexander's highlights on YouTube. Is there any real reason that Bradley is generally considered to be better than him. I like them both, but I think Alexander is equal to or better than Bradley and should be recognized that way. Your take?
Bradley has the better resume.
Dan the Man, what's up with bute??? Does he have anything lined up soon?
Do you know how to check the espn.com/boxing schedule? Or how to read the weekly rankings?
berto makes big money fighting on HBO? Fighting who?
He made $1.5 million to fight Quintana. He has made great money for all of his recent fights. So when HBO overpays him insanely it makes it almost impossible to make a fight like Mosley, because Mosley has to earn too. There is no incentive for Berto to take Mosley and basically wind up with a pay cut for a tougher fight. HBO brought it on themselves.
D$, so if Marquez loses should we expect khan to to get diaz in december or maybe victor ortiz since GBP seem to want to keep him in house, ain't gonna be maidana for awhile i know
Diaz has said he is staying at lightweight, so I do not expect to see Khan-Diaz if Diaz wins.
I love the whole card for Marquez vs Diaz all the fights seem to be good but which ones will be on tv
It's an excellent show. Marquez-Diaz, Jacobs-Pirog, Guerrero-Casamayor and Linares-Juarez are all live on the PPV. Bika-Mendy may be avaiable as a free preview before the actual PPV and then within the PPV we'll see highlights and we will also probably see highlights at least of the Frankie Gomez fight.
1.5 mil? was that a misprint? did i read that correctly? no wonder we cant get any fights that really matter!
Not a misprint.
How did you score Berto-Collazo??
I forget my exact score but I had Berto winning close.
Dan you say Manny V Shane would be a tough sell since he was routed by Mayweather..yet Arum is willing to sell Pacman V Margarito who was slaughtered by Shane..I dont get that..Can u help me understand?
The Hispanic fans will still buy Margarito in a major fight.
Boxing on 4 channels last night at the same time, then tonights HBO show, awesome weekend for the freaks.
So BJ got a fight, BJ Flores vs Yoan Pablo Hernandez, who you got? Winner gets Steve Cunningham?
I'll believe the Flores-Hernandez fight when I see it.
Will was asking for the wrath D$
If you're going to ask a question before doing your homework I will punk you.
Dan, random Q but HBO related. You a fan of True Blood?
Never seen one minute of it. My wife likes it.
What do you think of Angulo/Cintron II?
I have no interest in seeing Cintron right now in a major fight. None.
Where is Bradley on your P4P list
Click on it you genius.
Why doesnt HBO step in an say 2 Mayweather if u don't wanna fight Pac next then we done with u. Good luck making money else where...
They would not do that. Mayweather doesn't need HBO at this point. HBO needs Mayweather more than he needs it.
Where is Bradley in your P4p Rankings after tonight?
I will leave him in the same place most likely. He fought well but was not overly impressive enough to warrant a move up. And he didn't do anything negatively to make me move him down.
It saddens me to know that the first person to ever knock down David Tua is the same individual who has difficulty merely entering the ring without falling and whose most recent victory was over "Big Sky"
Dan, am I the only one who thinks Zab could take out everybody at 140 IF he is focused? His power/speed combo plus his experience is unmatched at 140!!
I give him a great shot against anyone at 140.
What do you think of James Toney fighting mma
Don't care one iota.
BJ Flores was on FNF talking about who we might fight Haha that was hilarious.
I'll never get back those three minutes either.
Pretty quiet from the Money fan boys on tonights chat Dan, I'm suprised!
I think they're worn out making excuses for their man.
It's crazy how in 2 short years Margarito-Pacquiao went from being a fight that everyone wanted to see to a fight that has minimal to no interest for fight fans.
That's what happens when you cheat, get drilled, have you license revoked and don't fight for 16 months.
does "fiduciary" mean?
Look it up chief. Use the Internet to further your education and not just for funny cat videos.
Any truth to the Briggs-Vitali possible fight and if so would you give Briggs a chance. I know Briggs is way past his expiry date but at least he has the size
It's one of the possible fights for Vitali this fall.
Hey! Why is everyone getting off?
I'll concede that Bradley's resume is somewhat better than Alexander's, but on the other hand, I believe that Alexander showed better than Bradley against Junior Witter. I guess, there's only one way to settle this though right :)...
Alexander also fought Witter like two years later.
mayweather fan here floyd fans r not saying anything cus there is nothing to say until we find out what was siad in negotiations just like floyd can say whats in the contract so can BOB ARUM nobody is saying that
When you learn to write an actual sentence in English let us know please.
I'm right here and you would be stupid if you thought Mayweather would let Bob Arum call the shots. Fact is you guys talk all the crap you want, when they fight Money wins with ease
Well your boy doesn't look so good right now. It appears as though he's been chillin' with David Haye.
I know its a long time but to me A. Peterson-Rios is probably one if not the best fight between young fighters thats been made in a long time.
It's an excellent matchup that I look forward to.
At what point does PacMan - PBF become irrelevant? Reason I ask, will PBF make more money if he holds off on this fight for another year or so? Keep building the hope and the hype.
Here's what's interesting to me. When I was watching Leonard-Hagler the other day I realiazed that Leonard was only 30 and Hagler was 32 and they were both considered at the end of their careers. Ray was coming off a massive layoff. Hagler has shown slippage in the Mugabi fight. Now think about this -- Manny is 31 and Floyd is 33. This fight's shelf life as a meaningful fight is very, very short.
Still backing PBF until the details of the deal are released...who knows that Bob didnt just send him the same contract as before with little to no revisions?....people need to relax and realize this was a ploy to make sure people dont blame Manny like the last time...
That is not what happened.
freaks - need to check Denis Lebedev kayo of Alexander Alekseev in.WBO Eliminator Cruiserweight on universum channel on youtube! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5pmVf5KTc&feature=channel
funny cat videos are pretty badass though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUNmLuNdiL8
Too bad Hartford isn't.
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What is your opinion of Saul Alvarez?
Good prospect and potential to be a big, big draw.
Klit / Briggs will be fun for 40 seconds till Shannon either gets drilled or gassed out - then drilled.
Did you cover DLH / Trinidad? If so, how'd you score it?
It was just before I started covering boxing full time. It took place in September 1999 as I recall. I started full time on the beat in March 2000. But watching it on TV, I had Oscar winning easily. Something like 8-4.
"When you learn to write an actual sentence in English let us know please."Got to add that one to the dan rafael great one liners book
I am honored.
Whats up with Hopkins? Nothing seems to be in the horizon. Hopefully he retires soon
Nothing is on the horizon. The Jones fight was a travesty. Bute isn't fighting him. So who knows what's next or if there is a next?
Was it just me or was the segment with Tim Bradley's father absolutely hilarious?
It was hilarious. It was almost ridiculous.
Do you think pacman agreed to random drug testing all the way up to fight night?
I do not know.
Dan are you looking forward to coming to Las Vegas in 2 weeks? It was 115 degrees today!!
Well it was 95 and HUMID here today so what's the difference? I'll be inside the lovely Mandalay Bay, so it's all good.
Raffy, when all is said and done, couldn't the whole drug-testing thing just be a Floyd smokescreen to avoid the fight?
Some people do think that.
Would Emmanuel Steward make a difference in a Cotto vs Pac II?
Maybe if he could get in the ring with Cotto so it was 2 on 1.
Theroretically, if both Klitschkos fought each other right now, who would you take to win?
We've discussed this before. I have always felt that Vitali would win.
Dan did HBO comment about the whole Klitschko fiasco?
Only the statement I was given that is in my blog.
When is uncle Roger going to jail?
His trial begins Aug. 2.
Dan, What's that smell? Is that you?
That was hilarious.
Do u think Briggs has any chance against V. Klit
How many promoters does it take to change a light bulb? NONE...they would rather just keep everyone in the dark.
Pay the man, Shirley.
Picture thisMayweather-Pacquiao in Macau the same day Klitschko-Haye is announced and Rocky Juarez finally wins a title in the undercard, wouldnt that be the day
Don't forget Bob Arum telling the truth. Don King overpaying a fighter. Golden Boy refusing to make Mayweather excuses. And Gary Shaw and Lou DiBella being calm for 24 consecutive hours. My head just exploded.
I have to share this story.. So my mother calls me right after the Angulo KO saying she didnt feel well and may go to the hospital after rushing over to her house she said she was ok and feeling better. Apologized for "making me miss my boxing" and said she had the TIVO on boxing. We watched Angulo's KO together and mom (who knows nothing about boxing) said "OMG he's fighting him like a mad dog!" I think my mom just became a freak!
If the Klitschkos really want to mess with HBO, they should fight each other, but do it on Showtime.
In your opinion who has ducked more big name opponents while in their prime Mayweather or Roy Jones?
Mayweather. The problem with Roy is that he didn't have nearly as many as attractive opponents as Floyd did.
Dan - do you consider the Antwon Smith fight from Shobox last week to b a FOY candidate? I thought it was the most brutal fight I've seen in some time
Good fight but not FOY material.
a couple of days ago there was this "you choose the top 10 P4P" on espn.com/boxing.. there was no calderon to even put up.. im assuming u didnt cum up wit that right
I believe it listed the guys in my top 10 and Calderon is not in my top 10, although in my top 20.
This Mayweather vs Pacman stuff is a bunch of B.S, my wife expressed her annoyance today that the deadline passed and she isnt even really a boxing fan. Its driving potential fans away!
dan, who is a bigger promoter in germany sauerland or universum?
At this time, it's definitely Sauerland. They have a deeper stable and just did a big five-year extension of their TV deal with ARD while Universum has been losing fighters (Sturm, Dzindziruk to name just two) and its TV deal with ZDF is about to expire at the end of the month.
DTM, are you still taking first fights? Mine was Barrera/Fana in El Paso, atmosphere was awesome, although fight only went 2 rounds.
For you, anything.
Is there anyone more fun to watch than Angulo?
Lewis CK in concert?
The glue sniffers are out tonight!
As they are for every RAD. You ought to see what I don't post.
Do you have to be american to get in your top ten Pound 4 Pound?
Nope, you have to deserve it, which is why I have had tons of non-Americans ranked you moron. Ever hear of Pacquiao? Sergio Martinez? Maybe you've heard of Juan Manuel Marquez and Miguel Cotto? Perhaps Nonito Donaire? You're banned.
Since there has been a lack of barn burners this year who is canidate for foy so far
It's been very weak so far. There is nothing to me so far that is a true FOY. I'd leave it vacant right now.
I just got a text from Gary Shaw. He's pretty happy about the outcomes tonight.
Yeah, where's the Euros in your top ten p4p?
What Euro deserves to be there right now?
Javier from Mexico may have just made the dumbest post in history!
Javier - do you have to be Mexican to be an idiot?
Shaw may be happy, but he still raised his blood pressure at the presser. He laid into GBP and Top Rank pretty good.
That's fine. He can't make them fight his guys when his guys are not yet stars.
Javier from Mexico is an IDIOT!!! Half the top 10 p4p are not American!!!! Glad you banned him Danisour!!
Its kinda of cool to see Andre Ward get the cover of newt month ring mag any word where his fight with Dirrell is happening(fingers crossed for Detroit)
Still no site.
DTM, after these past two nights, I am assuming I wont be seeing you at 7am tomorrow morning for some French Toast and coffee?
Exactly. I'm taking the phone off the hook and turning off the BlackBerry and sleeping in.
I thought Arum made a good point last night talking bout how Top Rank actually builds their fighters while other promoters seriously drop the ball in doing so.
Dan, at the risk of banishment, it's nights like this that sour the general public on boxing -- two complete mismatches.
I don't agree whatsoever. I thought Alcine would take Perro deeper in the fight and maybe give him some movement and an issue or two. And even though Bradley won the fight handily on the scorecards it was not a bad fight.
Dan, who else does Kevin Cunningham train?
He trains Devon Alexander and is now training Elio Rojas.
Hi Dan. Hope you like to know you have readers in Mexico too. Who is your favorite in the potential Barrera-Soto fight?
I give Barrera a shot but I like Soto.
Yeaaaaa....I am hungy and Javier has joined me.
Ian ill tell you where the euros are: getting their butts handed to them by the americans.
Dan, I know a few years ago Legenday Nights II was kicked around by HBO. Any talk about that recently?
No, as far as I know that was tabled over the budget. I do think eventually they'll do more episodes. It is an awesome series.
Dan it sounds like you and everyone else in the media wasnt buying Arum BS last night.
Poor Dan who sits at his desk typing all day needs some sleep. Try a 60 hour work week in 100 degree heat!!!
That would be your problem not mine.
Dan you had a FOX Espanol show July 24 on your schedule but within the past few days it was taken off. Do they have a show next Saturday?
The fight is still on, but it is not going to be on Fox anymore.
Dan, I wish HBO would release the Legendary Nights series on DVD or Bluray with the original fights included as extras. I would pay top dollar for that production!
Dan.. Do u think Floyd demands for pacquaio to submit to random drug testing was merely a front because deep down he knew he wouldn't fight pacman?
No, I think Floyd honestly wanted to make sure it was a level playing field.
Whatever happen to Richardo Torres?
He retired, according to Miguel Diaz, his longtime cut man.
Dan do you think the direll vs ward would make it's way to michigan or somewhere in the midwest
I think it will likely be at a neutral site but I do not know where.
Dan, interesting take on Hagler slipping against The Beast at 32yrs old...Do you think he could of kept on fighting after the SRL fight? Did he only retire because he was so angry after the decision? If decision would of went his way would he of kept fighting?
He could have still fought, but he was so disgusted by the decision he walked away for good. Had he won, I am sure he would have fought again. Hagler was one of the best and I am a fan. I had a chance to work with him on ESPN when we covered a fight a few years ago and it was a real pleasure to just sit and hang with him and talk boxing between our shoots.
Cotto-Margarito, Oscar-Floyd (big event), and maybe Marquez-Pacquiao, what other fights would be considered for Legendary Nights?
There are several. I would nominate Mayweather-Hatton because of that insane atmosphere and crowd. Hopkins-Trindad is a must given the circumstances of the fact that it took place two weeks after 9/11 in New York. I will never forget that. Not to mention it was such a significant fight. There are a lot of good candidates. You could have one on the Barrera-Morales trilogy and Gatti-Ward trilogy.
Legendary Nights is one of the best things HBO has ever done & the freaks know thats sayin somethin, please bring on more
Have you considered heading to The Rock to see the Love Child (and Adamek)? It's a cool, new building and Adamek's fans create a great atmosphere.
No. I am going to see KISS that night on top of the fact that my family will be down for a visit that week.
Dan the Man! Do you give Kotelnik a good chance against Alexander? Too bad not many people know him in the U.S. as much. He beat Maidana!
No. I give him very little chance to actually win.
Has there ever been a father son fighting on the same card?
Yes, Chavez and Chavez Jr. did it as did Tommy and Ronald Hearns to name two.
Only you would still be up chatting at 1:20 AM...just got home, read the whole transcript, and you are still live! Thanks DTM! Who would you favor in a Bradley - Alexander fight right now?
I want to see how Alexander looks with Kotelnik first before I really start to think about that.
Dan my first fight that I attended live was Hopkins-Trinidad and yes it was a memorable and emotional night being staged two weeks after 9/11.
One of the 10 most memorable events I have ever covered.
OK Freaks, thanks for chatting in the RAD. Hope you enjoyed the fights this weekend and were able to check out all of the material on the site. Talk to you next week back on Friday. Peace.