Let's go, y'all. Again this week, I've got a tough act to follow: Denny Hamlin.
Richard Childress said in a statement: "We feel certain that the cause of the car being out of tolerance by sixty thousandths of an inch, less than 1/16 of an inch, happened as a result of the wrecker hitting the rear bumper when it pushed the car into winner's circle. The rear bumper was also hit on the cool down lap by other drivers congratulating Clint on his victory. That's the only logical way that the left-rear of the car was found to be high at the tech center." Do you have any idea if that is/could be true technically?
What Richard Childress said seems quite plausible to me. And one thing about it: when RC feels he has been wronged, he'll fight it to the hilt. NASCAR had really be certain they're right on this one, otherwise the appeal could flip flop things the other way again.
QUESTION TO ED HINTON AT 2.25 PM HI ED WHO YOUDO HAVE FOR DOVER SUNDAY
I got Kyle to sweep Dover, Raygordon.
Hey Ed, After a horrible year last year RCR appeared to have found something and pretty much ran up front all year. Is it because they were running illegal all year and it took Nascar tearing the car apart to find it out? How do you expect the rest of the RCR cars to perform in the chase now that they know Nascar will be watching closely?
NASCAR at least SHOULD have been looking at the same areas of the 29 and 31. I think they'll be OK. I'm really interested in what Childress had to say about the wrecker and the other cars hitting the rear bumper.
Hey Ed, All season Harvick, Burton and all those RCR guys have been saying the reason for the RCR resurgence in '10 is because of "new" cars. Do you think we all know the real reason now?
Let's dispense with all these "all season?" questions now. No, I don't think they were all illegal all season. I don't think they were all illegal Sunday. I'm not even sure the 33 was illegal Sunday . . .AFTER the race is Childress's contention, and I want to hear his case.
Carl Long and most recently the #46 get penalized for equipment that they purchased from suppliers. Which they believed to be legal only to find out it wasn't. RCR states that they brought what they thought was a legal car. Everyone brings a car thinking they are legal but at times it isn't. So the 46 and 33 will both appeal, Ed, do you think either will win on appeal? Carl Long didn't. Also do you think the penalty to the #46 will be discussed, after all it's an Evernham engine in question.
46 was an engine deal as I understand it. Even as a purchaser, you're supposed to know what's inside there. As for the 33, call me nuts, but I think they've got a chance to win their appeal if they can lay out the evidence well.
worse case of flip-flopping decisions this week, Andy Reid with Michael Vick not starting then starting or Nascar with Clint Bowyer his car is legal/no it isn't
Oh, I think the Eagle flip-flop is worse. We know NASCAR is always capable of flip-flopping.
Hello Mr Hinton, Thoughts on the Burtontron? I don't think that will get people in the stands. Cheaper tickets and concessions however will.
No, I don't think it's going to sell any more tickets in this still-troubled economy. The SMI folks are still living in the creature-comforts-sell era. It'll be nice, but won't move the bottom line much.
Regardless if I am right or wrong, I don't think NASCAR would have hit Jr with a penaltly like that had he been in the chase and won the first race and I am sure I am not the only person thinking that. Just a idea in the minds of the so-so Nascar fan base, is enough to turn them away. I hope Nascar knows what they are doing, because I am losing faith. If my remember correctly, didn't Jimmie have a similiar issue in the chase a year or 2 ago and nothing was done ?
Now remember, NASCAR hit Junior with a devastating points penalty after he used a vulgarism on TV. Honestly, I think the harder the hit the better the NASCAR officials feel about it -- as if it shows their integrity even more. But, yes, I think Junior would have gotten the same thing under the same circumstances.
Ed, is the reason why the 33 infraction wasn't caught at the track because the R&D center does a much more thorough inspection? Basically, they performed an autopsy at the R
That's what NASCAR claims. If it's so, they need to bring the autopsy equipment to the track. And they need to do a whole lot more of the good old fashioned catching BEFORE the race. Used to be, "fix that and bring it back through the line," before the race. Then you didn't have so much dirty laundry hanging out everywhere.
Hello Ed, Burton is always braggin' on this Scott Miller guy at RCR so why didn't NASCAR bust him too along with the cc and car chief?
The NASCAR courts have held that the individual crew chief, like the captain of a ship, is responsible for all actions of his subordinates. In this case it was a body/chassis issue so the car chief got nailed too. Miller, as I understand it, is more of an organizational guy than an every-square-inch guy.
All this cheating talk has reminded me of the early 90's. I remember Greg Sacks pole winning car for the Pepsi 400 in 1990 had something illegal, and also didn't Junior Johnson get suspended for something in 1991 at Charlotte? I remember Sacks' illegal car was fixed prior to the race and caused that massive pile-up on lap 1. Can you elaborate on these two situations for me?
Oh, it's gone on forever, Dane! And I've been annoyed for the past five or so years that NASCAR makes huge cases out of these things when they should be catching them in the inspection lines before the races and making the teams fix the issues before the race, rather than penalizing them after . .. and now DAYS after.
Isn't RC fighting the penalty kind of pointless? I don't think any COT penalty has been reversed. Based on this flip-flop crap NASCAR is doing on this, I'm thinking the NFL will get 100% of my attention from here on out.
RC has an enormous amount of clout inside NASCAR. He has a lot of ears. If he has truly been wronged, he'll spend some of that political capital. Yes, I think he's got a shot.
Hey Ed, When Childress comes up with stories about tow trucks and other cars putting the #33 out of spec isn't he questioning the integrity and honesty of the NASCAR inspectors at R&D?
Not at all, in my book. The car apparently was a little high and tight on the LR, and Childress believes he has an explanation.
Ed my friend, is there a "Grilling For Dummies" book out there? I've been getting killed ever since I admitted I can't grill. I also ran out of gas last week. I'm sure it was Grill Karma that got me. Help!
Fake Tony, I told you you couldn't live this down. This may be as bad for you as when Jeff Gordon messed up singing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" at Wrigley Field several years ago.
Will Tony Stewart bounce back from running out of gas last week or was the mistake to great to overcome?I agree Ed, Bruton isn't living pay check to pay check like so many. Still rather watch from the comfort of my own couch and drink my cold beer.
I think Stewart can come back, sure. Remember, he still wound up one spot ahead of JJ, and nobody's writing JJ off.
If you are nascar would take away 150 points from Clint Bowyer?
I would not. No way, no how.
I can understand the logic of Bowyer's car being cleared right after the race but on closer inspection, with more detailed equipment, a violation being found on Wednesday in North Carolina. What I do not understand is Nascar's refusal to make any more of this public. Don't Nascar officials understand that the secrecy of the process is what is hurting their image the most? The Kremlin during the days of the Soviet Union would be proud of their ability to ignore the public, stonewall the press and repeat their talking points ad nauseum. This is exactly the kind of thing that easily turns off casual viewers and makes it easier for them to stick with pro and college football, baseball and even golf. Sorry to rant Mr. Hinton. Thank you very much for all of your years of fine reporting and not being another PR flack for a sports league (like many of your colleagues, not necessarily at ESPN mind you).
absolutely agree, Tony. They should go on NASCAR Now, let our cameras up close on the car and point out every deal of the infraction, with our tech specialist Tim Brewer right there to ask questions of them.
Ed Hinton, 2011 Sprint Cup rookie of the year.... Seems like that may be possible with no rookies next season.
Well, seems like every year, Tony Stewart threatens to put me in his car for Daytona 500 qualifying. Says it's that easy. Maybe next year . . .
Nascar told them the week before to go back and be careful and the brought the same problem to the next race. Isn't this a case of RCR not listening?
RCR says in essence that they were listening, and that this latest problem was caused in a whole other way.
Been to Bristol but not Dover. Is Dover the 1-mile equivalent to Bristol, and how is it seeing a race there live?
That's a pretty good analogy. Wrecks are hard to avoid because cars come up so quickly on them. I've never sat in the stands, but people who have say it's a great place to watch.
Why has Nascar never taken away a win when they have been found cheating?
Back before NASCAR began, Big Bill France had some issues taking away wins on the Daytona beach course. Smokey Purser was a victim, had a win taken. Big Bill decided that fans should always leave the track knowing who won the race. And that's the way it's been ever since. not that it's right -- that's just the way they've done it.
Ed, I cannot recall a more significant penalty from NASCAR, other than the Carl Long situation. Of course, in Carl's situation it was the cash, and not the points that really hurt him. Has NASCAR ever hit a driver with a penalty this severe for a small infraction (or is it not really a small infraction)?
They've hit people hard before, but this has to at least tie for hardest hit due to the situation. Is it really big or small? We don't know, and that's the trouble. NASCAR needs to roll this stuff out and SHOW the public.
Based off HMS performance after the spoiler made it's comeback, do you think JJ & Chad can "turn it on" and get #5?
Oh, sure. They've still got a good shot.
we'll have to see what happens with the appeal and info of the violation, but once again Nascar gets something good (great side by side Chase racing at NHMS of all places) and then shoots itself in the foot by saying Bowyer was clear after winning and then docking him 150 points
Yeah, I just can't see why they want to do it this way. Again, they should be catching this stuff before the races. They look awful. And if Childress wins his appeal, they're going to look more awful.
Do you think that Roger Penske rushed Sam Hornish Jr. in to the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series that is why that he is doing lousy?
No, I don't think he rushed him. Sam wouldn't have gone if Sam hadn't wanted to do it. And as we've seen, some Indy car drivers can make the transition, others can't. Sam has done fair to middlin', not a flop, not a success, if you ask me.
how did the 33 past pre-race inspection but failed post race I think childress is right about the tow truck maybe nascar should consider using them for the winner
That's my question too. NASCAR better be right about this, and they really ought to show the public in great detail how and why they're right.
How much of a boost does the #33 penalty give to Rowdy moving up to 3rd in pts. and creating a huge distraction for Harvick? Are the Gibbs cars now the clear favorites to win it all?
JGR gets a boost out of this for sure. Clear favorites? Not with 24 and 48 in it, and with the other RCR cars hanging in.
What is the lighter rectagle-shaped spot on Jr's neck? Is it from the fiery crash he had at Leman's?
Hadn't noticed it, but lots of old-time Indy car drivers had spots on their necks, etc., from burn injuries.
How many cars does NASCAR inspect after each race? Do they always inspect the winner?
They always inspect the winner, check the top five fuel cells, and inspect random cars. They'd gotten 33 at random at Richmond, then as a matter of course after the Loudon win.
Any word on Kenny Francis?
Last I heard/read, negotiations were ongoing about his moving to Red Bull, probably with Kasey.
If Childress wins his appeal? Ed, how can you possibly think that he can win an appeal if NASCAR is overseeing the process? NASCAR originated in the south, and we southerners can be very stubborn.
You have no idea just how much power Childress has within NASCAR. Enormous power. He never wields it till he's wronged, and then he swings an iron fist. Years ago he got Hoosier pressured out of NASCAR when he and Earnhardt discovered the Hoosier teams were getting trick tires.
NASCAR's reluctance to give a proper public explanation of the penalty is a perfect example of how they have failed to adapt to modern times. Penalties for vague violations were OK even a decade ago before the dawn of blogs and social media, but with so many able to publicly scrutinize the sport that policy just fosters distrust and conspiracy theories.
Absolutely right, Cale. And I'm going to keep posting this sort of comment, in hopes NASCAR will read the transcripts and see how strongly the public feels about this.
who actually will pay the fine, RCR or the crew chief out of his own pockets?
Probably be RCR, if it gets paid.
If the wrecker caused the rear end to be out of tolerance, wouldn't that have been caught during post inspection? Even if that was the case, they were probably right on the edge anyways and did not heed Nascars warnings and one slight bump may infact put it in violation.
Any body shop repairman can tell you a car can be damaged somewhere inside the cosmetic sheet metal so that the damage doesn't show unless the fender or bumper or whatever is taken off.
Hi Ed, Do you suppose the Rowdy and Dave are thinking it is easier to pass cars in points off the track than in the pits?
Clever enough to post, but no comment here.
Howdy Ed, do you think Denny can repeat his 4th place performance from the spring race this weekend?
Oh, sure. He just said on his chat, before this one, that he's excited to go there even though it hasn't been a great track for him. In his younger years he was too aggressive at Dover. He'll probably settle down and run well.
What does a major sponsor like Cherrios say to an owner when the team gets busted for cheating?
That's going to be an interesting question. General Mills is a pretty strait-laced company, and this was their first Cup win ever.
Nobody has said it yet so I will. Dale Jr. is back!!!!
Consider it said.
Hope they read this... I have to laugh seeing Robin Pemberton of all people being the "enforcer" of the rules. Pot & kettle anyone?
Point well taken.
Did the 150 pts. come after he recieved points for winning, or was it of the innital 5000. So essentially he went from a 1st place finish to a 43rd place finish.
They're taken from his most recent total.
Shouldnt they inspect cars before the race. How can you tell what changed during a race from contact with other cars. If matt kenseth won the last race I'm sure he had plenty things that wouldnt have pased inspection since he hit the wall.
I just don't think they do enough in pre-race inspection. It all should be resolved there.
Do you think Junior can build on his finish from last week or was it a fluke?
Which race to you believe is more difficult in the chase, Talladega or this weekend at Dover?
Talladega, because it really can hurt. Edwards' tiny mistake there cost him the championship two years ago, and ruined it for teammate Biffle too.
Nascar may be wrong with the way they have handled this but lets not absolve RCR for putting themselves in that situation to begin with. Why should there by empathy for cheating even if Nascar is run like Stalin communism!
I'm still not convinced RCR was cheating.
NASCAR is full of hypocritical, money-sucking leeches. How could they throw the book at someone for being off less than 1/16 of and inch? At a smaller, less aero dependant track, how much of an advantage could it possibly have been?
Just letting more fan opinion come out here. You listening, NASCAR????
Ed brother any word on the 24 sponsorship? I will be at Dover this Sunday the 24 better run top 5
Haven't heard anything other than that they may be trying to get Dupont to come back in full, or close. 24 entirely capable of top 5 at Dover.
So if you hit the wall or someone gives you a hard bump, and you end up winning, and they find its no longer in tolerance, is that cheating and how is that enforced?
That may be exaggerating this case, but not by a whole lot.
Ed, you really think RC will win his appeal. Yes, he may have great influence in the sport, but the head honchos that run NASCAR have egos as big as Jupiter that they want to uphold
Yeah, but ol' RC can make it tough on those egos.
Do you ever see a modification to The Chase as far a possible mulligan or throwing out the worst race in the 10 race series?
Think it will happen eventually, but probably not by next year. Wish it would. Wish they'd give them one mulligan, and blend that into an elimination process.
if bowyer looses the cup by less than 150 and JJ wins it again how bad will it hurt nascar
Won't be a matter of JJ winning again hurting so much as the travesty on Bowyer.
"Alright, I'm happy to be here at Wrigley Stadium!"
Oh, yeah! I forgot about that part. That's what really set them off.
Thanks for your time, Ed. But be careful, you may get fined for conduct detrimental to NASCAR.
If writers got fined for that, I'd be in the hole about, oh, $100 billion after all these years.
What do you say to those who suggest that NASCAR threw the book at #33 to reverse the 28% decline in Loudon tv ratings?
I say no way.
this is why fans hate this new car there is too much B.S with it
More venting allowed here.
Back in the day when Mark Martin lost a championship to Dale Sr because of Roush cheating was there a big uproar like this time?
Big uproar on the carburetor/manifold spacer plate. Then Mark got nailed again, severe penalty, on a nit-picky thing about the way a spring was coiled. Didn't cost him the championship, but close. Big uproars in both cases -- you don't think Roush would have it any other way, do you?
This is the closest chase I believe we have seen. There is no clear favorite. In your opinion who is the front runner, and what are the chances Jeff Gordon can win this thing without winning a race?
I'd say Jeff has about a 30 percent chance of winning the championship, and about a 20 percent chance of winning it without a race win.
Hey Ed, How bad does a car have to be for a guy like Kenseth, who is one of the best at making the most of nothing, to sit in 21st all day. He couldn't even pass a 20th place car!
Matt has been making his own rides in recent years, by moving from crew chief to crew chief and never really seeming satisfied.
Was juniors run at NH a fluke or are they turning the corner? I think it had more to do with Mr H being on top of the pitbox all race looking over McGoos shoulder.
Don't think that was it. They've run well at new hampshire before, only to get a bad set of tires late, or something like that.
How do the people involved with F1 view Nascar?
They used to think of them as hicks that nobody watched. Then they became envious of all the money taken in. Now they're respectful that NASCAR has big audiences in the U.S., where F1 can't gain a real foothold.
wouldn't racing be more fun if there weren't templates? This is not IROC! let the teams be creative, let the manufacturers come up with their best stuff and show why i should by a toyota, ford, chevy, or dodge.
Well, that's the thing. Equal cars are never good for racing. Besides, they're about impossible to enforce.
is there any chance of nascar doing away with the bumpstops and shock packers to make it like the NNS car and also getting rid of the rear swaybar
I'd say there's a good chance at getting rid of bump stops. They're not saying, but they never do in advance with their beloved but flawed COT.
Hi Ed, this whole Boyer deal really sucks and I hope the penalty is reversed if the team is indeed innocent. I know you're a big videogame fan (sense the sarcasm) and wondered if you've heard anything about the possible NASCAR game reboot. See you and the 24 in winner's circle at the MM this weekend!
If RCR is proven innocent, they ought to give back everything PLUS a bonus, because the penalty almost certainly will affect 33's strategy.
Which driver crew chief combination do you consider the greatest of all time?
That's tough. Dale Inman-Richard Petty old-time, Gordon-Evernham modern times, Knaus-JJ could soon add up to best ever.
Has NASCAR ever admitted they were wrong and reversed a decision?
Occasionally and rarely. Can't recall one right off hand.
Ed, why was David Pearson so underrated and pretty much underappreciated? It is because he always ran a partial schedule?
That's some of it. He ran for the championship three times, and won it three times. The other thing was, though, that he was very media shy. Didn't get out and promote himself like Petty did.
will Mr H still look the other way if the 88 rus like crap at dover and not remove Mcgrew
Rick Hendrick's top priority is, and has been, getting the 88 straightened out. If he thought removing McGrew would have helped, he'd have done it.
See, NASCAR will do this for the next 9 weeks so Jimmie will win the chase. That is what the idiots think. Cheating happens all the time.
I doubt NASCAR has much interest in seeing JJ five-peat. But everybody always thinks NASCAR is against their driver and for the "enemy."
Do you see Ray Evernham ever coming back as a crew chief in Nascar, and if so do you see him being as successful as he once was?
I think he has an itch to do something like that, but doubt he'd really take the plunge. No, he'd never be as successful as he was. He's been out of the pressure cooker too long.
if jr nevers win another race again, do you see him quitting the sport?
Well, yeah, eventually, but . . .years from now.
Nascar has found this site out of tolerance 150,000 fine for everybody on here
Fake Mike, you know you always call me on the phone when you've got issues with me.
I can't wait to see how NASCAR will enforce rules when they finally catch up with the rest of the world and introduce fuel injection.
That's coming sometime next season or, for sure, in '12.
Did NASCAR penalize Clint Bowyer because they realized that if a merennial mid pack driver with a mere 3 career wins were to actually win the championship, that it would completely unwind the integrity of the Chase points system?
I don't think they looked at him as a mid-pack guy. I think they probably saw him for what he was for an instant -- a Cinderella story, a charging dark horse. I don't think they enjoyed the PR implications of this deal.
when will nascar get a track in Alaska?
Uh, it'll be a while.
Wouldn't the 2 worst possible scenarios for NASCAR be: #48 winning the championship or Gordon winning it without winning a single race?
Any driver winning it without winning a race would be the worst. And Gordon is probably the leading candidate to do that.
Well, the clock has run out. Thanks to everyone for stopping by. See y'all next time.