Good afternoon, all. Greetings from the media center at Charlotte Motor Speedway. (Nice to be calling the track by its real name again.)
For obvious reasons I'm not happy about how the Hall of Fame selection went yesterday. If I were in charge, I would have held 1 vote to determine the first 20 inductees, then announced them 5 at a time every 6 months to make sure everyone gets their time in the spotlight.
I agree mostly. I also like Ned Jarrett's idea of taking 15 in each of the first two years.
Lifelong DW fan (43 years old and remember the late-70's) and I think he should not get in ahead of these guys. My belief is the first few classes, or all of them for that matter, should be in chronilogical order. Those guys paved the way. Cale and DW will be next. Hell, I don't think Dale Sr. should have been in the first class.
I agree they should have taken the pioneers first. But now since they're leaning toward getting the biggest winners in, I think Cale and DW should definitely go in next, by that pattern.
Thoughts on the Danica/Buescher wreck from Fontana?
Looked to me like she pinched him into the wall, farther along off the corner, than she realized, before she gave him room. Hard to say whether, when he turned left, he was trying to correct his car or took a shot at her.
Ed, can't appeal be made to someone in NASCAR that, say for the first 5 or so inductions, that the number of inductees is increased? I find it ridiculous that with so many well deserved people that belong in the HOF that something has yet to be done to improve upon this.
Hopefully my column today amounts to such an appeal. NASCAR VP Paul Brooks asked me what I thought yesterday and I told him, and told him I was going to write it. He said there was discussion of expanding the classes. Brooks is one of Brian France's closest right hands, so we'll see.
Ed, if the Silver Fox ran the full schedule in ever season of his career, how many wins do you think he would have had?
Oh, probably eight or nine. He was that good, that consistent. Believe me.
Any news on the Austin F1 track? Haven't heard much about it lately.
Neither have I . . .which is typical in these situations. I'll still believe it when I see the starting grid on the track.
So, honestly, is the chase pretty much over?
No, I think you've got three guys in the thick of a fight -- JJ, Hamlin, Harvick. Then Gordon and Stewart with outside but decent chances.
Pretty crazy the Cale didn't get in yesterday...Who are your 5 choices for the next HOF class of inductees?
Named 'em in my column today, but here they are: Cale, DW, Raymond Parks, Dale Inman, Glen Wood.
Hi Ed, What ever happened to Pit Boss and Trading paint? Those were great shows! Did you you keep it a little too real? The powers that be not like all the answers?
Don't think I ever did Pit Boss, but did do Trading Paint with MW, and Wind Tunnel with Despain. That's all Speed Channel, and I'm now exclusively ESPN.
Am I correct?: Cale Yarbourgh has a 100% chance to make it to the HOF next year.
Based on the Pearson experience, Cale has a 94 percent chance. That's the share of the vote Pearson got this time after being snubbed last year.
Are Amp and National Guard getting fed up with the 88 car not performing like they were promised by HMS and Mr Hendrick?
If they were, they wouldn't admit it publicly. But they're more interested in pure exposure, which they're still getting, than actual winning.
Will this season truly be a success for HMS if only the 48 ends up having any wins this year?
I don't think they'd consider it a total success, no.
Do you agree with david newton that poltics played in role in hall of fame slection this year.
Yes, I do. Just like I think politics play a role in my never being asked to vote, even though I've known every one of these guys over the last 36 years.
Ed, in your opinion, why were Cale and DW left out this year? I have heard everything from DW being too young to both their personalities off the track sparking a nerve with NASCAR....
Newt made some pretty good points in his column, about DW being a brash (but honest) journalist in his current role, and Cale not exactly running out to every little NASCAR promotion.
Would you put D.W. in the nascar hall of fame this year? (And THINKS for the race on ABC!!!!!!!!!) Think you for your time
I would have, according to the pattern they were going. And I would put him in next year.
I don't get how pearson is not a 100% unanimous inductee for the second class. the people who didn't vote for him have no credibility.
Point well taken.
Have you heard if USAC will look into improving the safety for its drivers after what happened to Shane Hmiel? I'm surprised he wasn't killed after he hit that wall like that.
Haven't heard, but they have to be looking. Terre Haute, as you know, is a notoriously dangerous place and has been for a long time.
Your column today nailed it regarding the greats who should be in HOF. Yet, there's a name out there that hasn't even been mentioned. Fred Lorenzen. IMO, he should go in before Waltrip.
Well, he definitely was the Golden Boy in the great charismatic era, following Fireball and Little Joe. A tremendous force for NASCAR in his time, but he retired too soon -- and has acknowledged that over the years -- so that he has "only" 26 career wins.
Great article today, could not agree more. The only other solution is to create a veterans committee, like baseball. Using a date of 1970, for no particular reason, as the cutoff. The veterans committee could vote in as few as 0 and create a max number. For people after 1970 limit it to 5. Given how it is today, anyone they voted in was a good choice. Oh well, if your DW at 63 years of age waiting another year is not quite the same as Bud Moore at 85.
That could be a solution -- have one group for DW, Cale, et al., and another for Fireball, Weatherly, et al.
Who or what kind of person votes drivers for HOF?
There are former drivers, mechanics, owners and NASCAR officials. There are media people (not including me). Somebody pointed out that at least a dozen of the 52 voters still are financially beholden to NASCAR.
Hey ed does smoke still have a shot at this championship are is it a for gone conclusion that jimmy will have title number five
Smoke has a shot, but only if he gets on a roll and wins two or three more.
How do you see Brad K doing next season in the #2? I really am not sure I see it going well, especially with Addington going with Busch. I like Brad but I think people are shocked to see that, even with so much publicity, the #12 hasn't been in the top 10 all year! I think he may be the only full timer who can say that...
You're right in that he hasn't shown he's fully arrived in Cup (the talladega win last year not withstanding) the way he has in Nationwide.
If Brian France has it his way, he will get himself inducted the next class.
I don't agree at all. Brian has made his mistakes, but I don't think he has that kind of ego.
Is Jimmy winning five in a row good or bad for the sport? Aren't we all tired of the same act for the past five years now?
It's both good and bad. A lot of people are tired of it, but a lot of people recognize it for the milestone it could be.
ed, are you a HOF voter? are the ballots public for viewing or is it a big secret? some of these voters should have this honor taken away they voted.
I'm not a voter. ESPN is limited to one, and Jerry Punch has that role. He does just fine in it. Other than the ESPN limit, I don't think NASCAR wanted me in that room because I'd be too argumentative.
Do you think there'll be some tinkering with the Chase if JJ wins again or just barely loses it?
There's going to be some tinkering regardless.
suppose the 48 & 11 are 1-2 in pts going into Martinsville (highly likely)
Very well could be, unless Harvick sneaks in there Saturday night.
Guess who??!! Biffle. I think the Biff could shock the world this weekend in North Carolina - although the California race was disappointing, he's been strong lately. What do you think about that? I'm going to enjoy the race with a nice large turkey leg and a gigantic bowl of corn...om nom nom nom!
Oh, sure, I think the Biff could win Charlotte. Just think he's done in the Chase.
Ed, guys like Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki are technically not eligible for the HOF, because they didn't race for 10 years. Do you think they will be made eligible anyway, and do you think they are worthy of the HOF someday?
Both will get in eventually. Count on it. Bobby was telling us yesterday he thinks Davey will get in someday.
Ed, do you think Francis follows Kahne to HMS? If so, which crew chief gets the boot?
Depends on whether Francis actually makes the Red Bull transition with Kahne, and makes it successfully, next season.
i disagree. you need to be a voter! you need someone in their that is argumentative, not a bunch of group thinkers! the fact that someone with your credentials is not a voter makes this thing a sham!
Thanks for your support.
Hey Ed, another winning piece! If they dona??t eventually induct you into the HOF ita??ll be yet another crime committed by this horribly misguided regime. This HOF class deal/mess seems rooted in Brian Francea??s philosophy in general: PR at any cost over achievement. For example, The Chase over a points system that worked and rewarded the best team across the entire season (denying true champions in some cases), phantom cautions to manufacture a more exciting finish, three chances to finish under green, etc. Dona??t whine about it, accept it a??cause this is NASCAR. At least the racing has been good, even though theya??ve certainly altered the outcome of some races this year with their hollow tactics (Daytona 500, Martinsville). If Jeff Gordon were eligible to be inducted today would they vote for a four-time champion or a driver who out-pointed the field six times?
Believe me, I could live to be 100 and still not live to see my name even placed in nomination. Not only because I've been a thorn in their sides, but because there are waaaaay too many qualified journalists ahead of me, beginning with Chris Economaki and Ken Squier.
not to change the subject, but any word on what Sadler might do next year? And I saw that Hermie might be running at Martinsville in the #71, prepared by KHI... is he shaking down a car for his brother next year?
Hermie often wrangles rides for himself at Martinsville, so I wouldn't take that as an indication of anything further.
would the 11 outright dump the 48 or vice-versa to win martinsville and would nascar penalize? that was my real question...
Depends on how obvious the "outright dump" would be. They've been pretty rough there, and left themselves some margin for claiming they didn't mean to or it was the other one's fault.
why would red bull open up their shop to a guy and cc that won't be with them after one year unless they are planning to move to chevy or be a hendrick sattelite
Red Bull is interested in brand exposure, first and foremost. If they can enhance that with some wins by Kahne next year, they'll be happy.
are guys like rusty wallace, bill elliott, and dale jarrett borderline hall of famers or will they get in?
They'll all get in someday. Just a matter of when.
7-11 and Gordon? Thats as funny as Walmart and Gordon
You got that right!
This will get people riled up. Who has the better chance to make it to the HOF, Dale Jr or Rowdy?
Right now I'd say Rowdy. But if Junior starts to win again . . .
JJ dominance makes me think of Schumacher in F1 a few years back. Everybody hated it at the time, but after a while, you have to tip your cap to the guy. He was (and JJ is) one of the best racer ever.
If Bobby Allison makes it in and DW doesn't how does that even begin to make sense? They competed against each other for many years and DW won 3 titles to Bobby's 1. I know Allison ran his own deal for a couple of years in the late 70's but what were the voters thinking? Were they giving him degree of difficulty points? If you take Bobby Allison you should defintely take DW. And don't even get me started on how Bud Moore and Ned Jarrett got in before DW as well.
First, Bobby didn't care that much about winning titles. Second, he won for 14 different car owners. Third, nobody has poured more of his life and family into the sport than Bobby. He and DW both contributed greatly, but in different ways.
How is DW viewed within the sport? I know I view him as a brown noser who is obviously partial to certain drivers!
I don't think the current generation knows him very well. He was a fabulous driver until about 1990. I saw him. Don't see any partiality to certain drivers at all. And certainly don't consider him a kissup to nascar.
It's unfair to say that Brad K hasn't arrived in Cup like he has in NW. After all, he is tied with Rookie Of The Year winner Kevin Conway for top 10's and top 5 finishes this year.
Ho hum. Another chat, another shot at poor conway.
Ed, after their careers are over, do you see Kenseth, Edwards, or Biffle making the HOF?
Think the jury's still out on all three. They've all got many years left.
Think the jury's still out on all three. They've all got many years left.
Any words on how is Shane Hmiel doing??
Understand his surgeries have mostly been done and that the doctors considered them successful.
Lost in the wreck at Fontana was how well Danica ran. I also liked the fact she took control during one of the yellows and told Tony Jr. they needed new tires. If that didn't happen and she was forced to stay out, it was about to be a Dover Part 2 situation. Seems like she's settling in to stock cars a bit.
Agree fully. She's making serious progress now.
Ed, people always complain about the top 35 rule and that the fastest 43 cars should time in. To me, that leads to a bigger problem of teams buying rides for their drivers. Sure it would be interesting to see Jeff Gordon in the 36 car, or Kyle Busch in the 66 car but it's kind of dumb to me. I say qualify the first 40 on time, then 41-43 are provisional spots and put a limit of 5-7 provisionals that a driver/team could use in a season.
Interesting thoughts, but the 35 rule is here to stay because it's the next best thing nascar can give them to what they really want -- franchising.
Do you think Aric Almirola will have the level of success that Brad Keselowski had in the JRM 88? I would love to see that guy go for the championship because he has gone through some tough times in his career.
I think he'll have some success, but to reach the level of Brad K won't be easy.
Is it that important who get in in what order? As long as the people taken in deserve it, it's all right with me. Like you said, they got well-deserving people for the next 10 years
I'd just like to see some of the older guys get in while they're still alive.
Hi Ed Hinton. Question at 2:10pm. Who do you have for this Saturday's race??
Ray Gordon's coming up in this world, to have his own Fake. I got JJ, maybe Smoke.
The people that run Nascar need to take a step back and realize they are going down a path that will eventually ruin this sport. They see to always have a hidden agenda with everything that they do. Instead of celebrating the sports history, they are trying to drum up media attention with each and every class they have introduced so far. It's really frustrating for me as a fan to watch what a few guys in suits are doing to a sport I love and defend on a daily basis. They are slowly turning the name NASCAR into a business venture and not the name of a sport that so many people love and enjoy. For every stupid move that Nascar makes, I hope they understand what it does to their fans. I find myself defending Nascar more and more and to be honest, it's getting to be very hard to do. But I guess they don't think the fans know any better. At some point people will get sick of the BS that is becoming Nascar and just stop going to the races and stop watching the race on TV.....oh wait.......
Well, NASCAR has always been pretty much the way you describe, and they've had quite a bit of success -- perhaps in spite of themselves.
You came close with your prediction of Danica getting a top 20 at Fontana, so my question for you is: Do you see a top 20 for her at Charlotte this weekend?
Yep. And I think she does too.
When are we going to get a decision on if Sprint Cup drivers are going to be allowed to steal...eeeeerrrrrrr......i mean compete for the Nationwide championship next season? The NNS meeting this week didn't really answer alot of questions.
Best guess is, they'll announce in off season. I'm hoping the Cup guys at least will no longer be eligible for the NW points championship.
In the Country Music HOF (Nashville), the inductees are all presented in a round room in a completely random fashion. This way, no single inductee (even Elvis Presley) is perceived as more important than any other, regardless of when they were inducted. How are the NASCAR HOF inductees presented at the museum?
They're presented 1-2-3-4-5, apparently in the order of how many votes they received, or percentage of votes.
Well, 50 years ago Le Mans was still hurting from the '55 disaster. But 40 years ago, when the movie was made, yes, it was the greatest race in the world. It still has its good years occasionally. Last time I went, '95, the field of cars wasn't so hot. Now, the competition between Peugeot and Audi has been pretty interesting.
Ed i need a win badly where am i going to get this win??
Well, fake Jeff, you've done pretty well here at Charlotte at times. But I say you upset JJ at Martinsville next week.
Wasn't able to go, but he just came back to the track talking about what a great success it was. He seemed really pumped, said they'd given out all their autograph wrist bands, 200, in about 20 minutes.
Why doesn't Dale Jr. get Mark Martin to drive the #7 Nationwide entry for a few of the races Danica misses next year? He could really get that car and team up to speed with their baseline setups for her return. Much like Red Bull did by benching AJ for Mike Skinner a few years back. That seemed to really help the team get a handle on set-ups with an experienced driver.
Not sure Mark's likes in a setup would be the same for Danica.
are the frances billionaires?
I think Bill Jr. was, but you don't see any of the living ones in the Forbes list nowadays. Maybe they just play their investments close to their vests.
I didn't say I'd have left anyone out. I said the class should have been bigger to accommodate Cale and DW.
does joe gibbs make the hof? it would be cool to be enshrined in two different national hall of fames.
He'll make it eventually, but don't see it in the next several years.
On the same subject of NW. How are guys like Allgair and Bayne supposed to attract sponsors? The cup guys win all the races with their better equipment and more experiance. So the sponsors do not see the potential in the young guys. Not fair at all.
Agree to some extent. But the lesser known guys, left on their own, still wouldn't attract the big bucks the Cup guys do.
Ed, I have been a #48 fan since his rookie year and I am still amazed at the pure hatred many fans seem to feel toward Jimmie. No matter how many titles he ends up winning, he already deserves to be in the "greatest driver ever" conversation. Will it take 8 or more titles for the rest of the fan base to accept that he is just plain great?
He's in the media right now answering questions about whether his dominance is turning people off. Just remember, NASCAR fans hate "overdogs" as one pop culture professor I know calls them, and love the underdogs.
so i guess kbm won't be shutting down next year? if you are truck sponsor, why wouldn't you put money in kbm considering the exposure they will get since it runs up front all the time and is always in victory lane? blows your mind sometimes what some of these sponsors are thinking.
He just told us he's got sponsorship for five races, but that's all he's got in contract stage. Has other conversations going on, but nothing solid yet. He'll stay open and probably pick up sponsorships piecemeal.
You are being political with your answer to who would you have left off if you would have put DW in. The rules are only 5 this year. Oh, well............
Don't care about the rules. The rules are bad. The 5 who made it are deserving. So are about 15 or 20 more.
If Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson were both retired today and HOF eligible, do you think that either one or both have been voted in this year or last year?
Not yet. If they won't take DW at 63, they wouldn't take those guys.
why doesnt nascar start racing in January and end by September so they don't have to go up against college football and the nfl? the summer months are pretty dead anyways, they should capitalize on that with the chase then.
I agree fully. I've always said, "NASCAR is like watermelons. After Labor Day, the public is tired of them."
Can they remove the 6% who didn't vote for Pearson from the panel? I don't think they have the credentials to be voting....
I'll let that speak for itself.
Ed, how many championships do you think me and jeff would have if i stayed as his crew chief?
Now, Fake Ray, you were ready to move on yourself. So I don't know if you two would have won any more than you did.
Do you know the voting percentage received by the first HOF class?
can't recall right now whether they leaked that or not last year. maybe on a couple of guys but don't remember a full rundown.
I've always thought the HoF should go in chronological order. Those that came first and built it should go first. Dale Sr. should not been in ahead of DW or Cale and certainly not Person. Not an Earnhardt hater, just saying. Lifelong DW fan, but I don't think it was time.
Valid points made here.
So nothing came out of the NW meeting Tuesday from what I read. When are they going to do something about these Cup guys? Running a few races helps out the young guys but running them all or just about them all is stupid. I will not watch that!
Trouble is, the track promoters don't believe they can sell enough tickets without the Cup names. I agree Nationwide should be totally developmental, but I've given up on that fight after losing it year after year.
Hey Ed, how much longer do you think NASCAR will allow the "boys to have at it"? It seems that eventually there will be one instance where NASCAR could've stepped in punished a driver before someone retaliated against said driver not only effecting the outcome of championships but could also harm fans. Example: Brad and Carl. Who's to say that such a thing won't happen again with say Kyle and David?
I think they'll let 'em rip until and unless there is a serious threat to fans -- which I don't think Carl v. Brad was, really. If they start getting into the fences bigtime, they'll be stopped. Fan safety is a top priority with NASCAR.
QUESTION TO ED HINTON AT 2.25 PM HI WHO YOU HAVE FOR CHARLOOTE SATURDAY NIGHT
Ray Gordon, you should be proud of yourself. We've now got a Fake Ray Gordon on this chat. I got JJ, maybe Smoke.
So the 88 team is running more experimental setups the weekend at Charlotte with the same crappy chassis 88-556 (Lances first chassis built FYI) that has never finished well whenever its on the track. Lance has run many wild new setups this season. Is this fair to Amp, National Guard and all the fans that pay money to support that team for the 88 to be doing R & D for the other 3 teams?
Do you honestly think anyone at HMS is short changing Junior? Do you think they are absolutely nuts?
Well, clock says we're done, folks. Gotta get back to chasing drivers for interviews.Thanks to all for stopping by.