What are the odds that a WVU win over LSU Saturday will help Big East football recruit new members and not disintegrate?
I really don't think one win is going to do anything in that regard.
As a Pitt grad and fan, I must admit that I am very happy that Pitt will be moving to the ACC. I was wondering if you could discuss what are the "different interests" that made the Big East "doomed to fail?" People always claim its just the FB vs. BB schools, but that can't be the only thing can it?
Certainly that plays a big role. I think that dynamic makes the Big East different than any other conference. Nobody else has to balance the interests of 18 basketball schools vs. 9 football schools. Especially when the interests are so disparate. I think the bottom line is that the Big East was not in a position of strength, having the weakest TV deal, the smallest conference affiliation and a sense that it was only a matter of time before it was picked off yet again.
Who's leaving? Is it even a good idea for UCF/ECU to want to step into the sordid tenuous BE?
I think that is a question that any future school has to consider. Because right now, nobody knows what the Big East is going to look like.
There are a ton of fans taking a high and mighty attitude against SU and Pitt. Can you think of any Big East school except ND that would have turned down an invitation to join the ACC?
No, and I am glad you brought this point up. Now every fan in the Big East wants their school to jump ship. So what is the difference?
IF RU and UCONN end up staying in the BE or what is left of it for the next two years, how will that impact recruiting? Do you see a significant drop off due to them being left behind? It seems like the most likely scenario for them.
I think it all depends on whether the Big East retains AQ status. That is a HUGE selling point.
If the Big East and Big 12 fall and we do go to the 4 super-conferences, I'm not worried about WVU (I still think they are a finalist for the SEC.) However, if the ACC takes Rutgers and UCONN, where do you think USF will fall?
The only place for USF is in the Big East.
I had so many questions about if USF was the team with the most to lose (which I think they are), but then I came across Mr. Bianchi's column. I have a hard time thinking Judy Genshaft (who is very popular with the student body) doesn't have more important things to do than block the knights from joining the Big East. Agree or disagree?
USF does NOT want UCF in the Big East.
Do you see WVU's defense holding steadier against a slower, beat'em up offense of LSU rather than Maryland's quick spread?
I do think the Maryland offense presents a different type of challenge, no question about it. I think the LSU offense will allow the WVU pass rush to get going, and that is something that has to happen quickly.
I know shouda, wouda, couda but do you think if SU's defense wasn't so injured, the team would have had a shot against the trojans? The offense seemed to be able to move the ball.
Doubtful. The offense moved the ball, but how many points did they score? They were unable to finish drives, and they have got to do that in games vs. high-quality teams.
How much do you see WVU moving around their speed players to counteract the speed of the LSU defense? Tavon in the backfield, running back screens, etc.
I think WVU is going to do as much as possible to get their fastest players involved any way they can. But it's not as if their RBs are slowpokes. This is simple a tough defense to run against, no matter who you put back there.
Do you think if WVU beats LSU and Geno puts up 300+ yards, Geno will finally be in discussion for Heisman?
He's already in mine!
Noticed that Todd Graham was quoted saying ND was the toughest team on their schedule. 1. Did he not see te USF/ND game, 2. How bad will he regret those statments the week of the USF game?
I also noticed he said that. I think he was probably doing the ol' coachspeak "pumping up the opponent" speech. You know, like Charlie Strong did last week.
We all know that it's ever team for itself at this point. However, if UConn manages to get an invite to the ACC (Herbst obviously wants this), do you think they will extend an invite to Rutgers, as well? Part of me believes that once UConn goes, Rutgers and WVU will do everything in their power to not be far behind.
I do believe UConn and Rutgers would be the 2 Big East candidates. WVU is not.
Do you think ECU has a realistic chance of being invited to the BE?
I think they are in the 2nd tier of candidates.
What do you think the odds are that UL and/or WVU end up getting an invite to the Big XII or SEC? and What will happen to UC and USF if they do?
Slim to none on the SEC. I think the Big 12 could be in play. If that happens, UC and USF are stuck in the reconfigured Big East.
Even though LSU has an extremely talented defensive, especially at DB and D Line, CB Matheu will most likely be near Tavon Austin most of the game. As far as our other wideouts go I feel that can stretch LSU unlike other teams so far. Your thoughts?
You bring up a good point, and one that I will be discussing in a blog post tomorrow. But Oregon has a pretty prolific offense, too. Dana Holgorsen said this week -- nobody goes faster than Oregon. They have some playmakers that were totally shut down. But, I think it is an absolute benefit that there is no one "go-to" guy, and fully expect players like Bailey, Brown, McCartney, Austin and Starks to be very involved.
Everyone is trying to jump ship, can this conference survive?
It MUST keep everybody in the fold or else it will just be CUSA reconstituted.
A.A still not sold on the expansion being on hold for a while. Cpl questions:Who gets their house in order first Big 12 or BE and who poaches who? Bee Bee on the way out but Texas is Greedy so not sure if they are ahead. We need to announce something Yesterday to show we are ahead.What do we do with UConn not committing nor the Pres not making the meeting, They are open about bolting so how do we handle them?Also why the post in your lunch time links from Orlando Writer about getting the Governor involved. Why not have them make the SEC or ACC take USF and Conf USA take FIU? That was a very biased link to say the least yes?Thanks and keep up the Busy great work!!!
Doug, you know I put that link in there because I know how much you looooooooooooove Bianchi :) A lot of questions. My guesses. Big 12 acts first, because I think they definitely have a clear list, with BYU right at the top. I spoke to the Navy AD earlier today and he was in no rush to make any decision on the Big East because he wants to make sure the core schools stay in the mix (watch for a link soon!) ... What can the Big East do with UConn? Nothing can be done to compel them to stay.
We've missed you on GDL so far this year. Will you be popping in to provide us some Big East updates and insight this weekend?
That is very sweet, LeRoy! I will be on in the morning in the 11 am hour.
Could you explain what is holding WVU back in the expansion talks. I must be missing something if Pitt/ Mizzou/ Rutgers is more appealing than us. We typically have a full on campus stadium, fan base that travels, successful programs, good TV ratings, and on and on. I understand that not being top 100 academics, but other than Vandy are any SEC "academic" perfomers. There has to be something we are missing that is making us less appealing.
Academics does play a role, whether you want to believe it or not. Those 3 schools are ranked ahead of WVU. I think those 3 also help expand footprints to bigger markets. I know WVU has the Pitt market, too, but it simply is not a match with the ACC.
Do you think the cincinatti north carolina state game will be high scoring tonight
I picked 33-30 if my memory serves.
When do you think we will hear about UCONN and its possible move to the ACC?
Well shoot I would say not any time soon, but I did not think Pitt and Syracuse were leaving any time soon! I am not sure there is any rush for the ACC to expand to 16 teams at this point in time. UConn can lobby all it wants, but the decision now is up to the ACC.
with all the talk about navy,army and air force, what are the chances that ecu and ucf make it into the big east, and if they do succeed, would it be just for football?
They are in the 2nd tier. I believe the service academies would be football-only. UCF is adamant it wants in for all sports.
Andrea,I would think WVU would be a lock for the SEC. Our football team would fit right in and Huggy has the BB team better than any SEC team. Passionate fans, great school, it is only matter of time. Until then, we will continue to dominate the BE.
WVU does not really expand the SEC footprint to where it wants to go, and it does not bring great academics, either. I know you guys want to write that off, but it is important to a lot of these presidents making these decisions. If you don't believe me, then you should have heard the Pitt chancellor talking about tissue research with Duke on the conference call the other day.
I understand that 'Cuse is a football powerhouse. That 1960 Cotton Bowl...man, what a game. And they sell out every football home game! But I feel like they get a good amount of their $$ from basketball, too. Maybe that should have been considered? (Don't make me say that I'd miss seeing my team play them.....:-(...snif)
Well the ACC is a great basketball conference, too, right?
Andrea, it?s good to see you again. Always loving hearing you go back and forth with the Shot Doctor. Overall, it looks like USF might have the most to lose with the potential conference collapse. We?ve certainly shined brighter than Syracuse and Pit in recent years. Shouldn?t conferences want some fresh, young blood? Is it our location or lack of tradition that is hurting us?
Good to see you my friend! Thank you for listening. Shot is a good pal. Yes USF is going to have the most to lose. Tradition does play a big role, and so do academics as well. ACC has all of Florida covered, and the SEC has Florida covered as well.
Do I have a game this weekend? The only thing I can see in the papers is all this conference realignment stuff!
Thanks, Holgy! Anybody have game questions???
If UC turns things around starting tonight and win out. . . can they still have a shot at being chosen by another conference?
As I told first person on the chat, one season is not going to make a difference. You guys have been to 2 BCS games in 3 years so why would another good season this year change anything?
I am a recent USF fan-convert, who is USF's biggest rival in the Big East? UCF is a rival (as other FL teams are), but true rivals play every year [OU/TX, AL/AUB, etc.], Watching USF for two years has not brought to my attention their most hated adversary (in fact, every other team in the BE are just teams, I am indifferent towards them for now).
I will put that for the USF fans out there. I would guess WVU because their games have been heated and tight the last few years.
I must have missed when WVU 'dominated the BE'. Maybe it was last year. Oh, wait..........
Well to answer that point ... WVU has finished either first or second in the Big Eaststandings for 9 straight seasons.
Since it seems pretty clear that the Pac-16 deal is a no go is it safe to say that the ACC stays at 14 and that Rutgers and UConn will not recieve invites?
That is how I am seeing this TODAY. But who knows what happens TOMORROW.
Any further news on the 27 month waiting period? It is a huge negatvie for SU and Pitt, and the Big East.
No news. The Big East is sticking to it.
I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC was interested in USF. Big market, big time athletics, new tradition to be built and they are upgrading their capital like they are immune to recession. Florida could be swayed in favor. Maybe not this year, but the way the university athletics @ USF are headed (especially football under Skip) I would certainly expect the SEC to entertain the thought of having two FL to rival the 2 in the ACC... your thoughts?
With your answer above about Navy, Don't you think it would show stability if we accept ECU immediately? Than the Fb members see the BB members are serious about saving the league. Than Navy would feel more comfortable coming on board as well yes?
No. I don't think Navy wants to see the Big East go on some wild spree and add teams right now. Navy wants to see UConn, RU, WVU and UL make a commitment TODAY to STAY for the future. This is what he told me ...Right now, I'm still feeling there's some gray area and some uncertainty with the membership. That's going to be an important dimension for us at Navy to make certain if we were to join the Big East what you see is what you get and not all of a sudden you become a part of something different down the road."I'm still waiting for the link to post.
Andrea, you metioned that Pitt & Cuse left because the BE is unstable...Don't you think that all these schools needed to do was wait one more year for media negotiations to pick up? The BE could have able to land a bigger media deal than the ACC and poached an ACC school or 2???
I really don't know that the Big East would have landed a bigger deal than the ACC, despite the speculation. I think Pitt and Syracuse got tired of waiting, and with the thought that the Big 12 was going to collapse and superconferences were the way of the future ... both decided to be proactive to secure their futures NOW.
Will Mountaineer fans actually have an impact on the game this weekend? Doesn't LSU play in much more intimidating places? Even with the vulgar t-shirts.
Don't wear those T-shirts!! I agree with you. Home crowds are usually a factor, BUT the Tigers to play in larger stadiums across the SEC. I have been to Tiger Stadium for night games many times, and I am eager to see how WVU matches up.
It appears that the Big 12 is sticking together, and other football playing schools must be found to replace Syracuse and Pitt. Let's be real for a minute. The Big East has always been a great league for hoops and a good league for football. During the first ACC Raid, the Big East was smart and upgraded their hoops to become the best conference in the country for basketball. Sure enough USF (former trailer office program), Cincy, and Louisville's football programs improved, and peaked/is peaking while in the Big East. With that same logic, would it not make sense to go after great basketball schools with football programs? That way the conference will continue to get big respect in hoops (maybe better than the new ACC) and the ability to build respect in football. Especially since for the Big East, basketball is a bigger part of TV contracts than other BCS leagues. That all being said, I am not sure why Temple is being thought of after C-USA teams? Temple brings better hoops, more tradition, a better name, less travel costs, and arguably better football at this time as they almost knocked off Penn State.
Temple is in the discussion. But I think the first priority is to try and add football-only members, as you see with the service academies discussion. That way basketball will not have to be tinkered with too much. Via your logic, would you be on board with Memphis?
Local NBC affiliate here in Hartford is reporting that the ACC is interested in UConn and Notre Dame and that they are waiting on ND's decision before issuing the Huskies and potentially Rutgers the 15 and 16th spots. Does that jive at all with anything youve heard.
The ACC is going to have to pry independence from the clutches of Notre Dame. The Irish are NOT giving that up unless there is no other way to stay relevant. So I would say the chances are super low of ND joining the ACC.
Mark ....Really ....way to man up against Okl... i know Okl never loses a BCS game ....i mean wins a BCS game until uconn came along
I love a little chat banter!
Talk football please. No more realignment talk for gosh sakes...great work AA.
I am trying, Jay! Nobody is asking about the games!
What are the Odds of the Big East keeping their AQ status over the MWC in the next 5 years?
Will not know until we know what the Big East is going to look like in 2013.
I believe that Bruce Ivrin will play a huge roll in the LSU game this saturday for WVU. Any thoughts?
He has got to. I wrote about this earlier this week. 1 sack in 3 games ... I know he has been disappointed with his play, but the offenses WVU has faced have not given him an opportunity. LSU does.
Andrea, you worried about your job. You know what i mean: No Big East = No blog no chat.
I am confident I will emerge from this stronger than ever.
As a USF fan I'd say our biggest in-conference rivals are WVU and Rutgers. WVU games are always really physical and usually nail biters. Rutgers played spoiler to us a few years in a row and always seemed to have our number so a lot of us have grown to hate them. I'm not sure either team sees us in the same light though...
The Air Force to the Big East talk seems like alot of hot air. It sinks all their programs except football to the WAC??? Why would Air Force join a sinking ship? Seems like portions of the Big East could buffet the Big 12 against future PAC and SEC raids. My bet is that the Big 12 is thinking many more members than just 10. My guess would be 14........with almost all of them being Big East members
I agree. I still wonder why they don't come to some sort of football-scheduling partnership.
Hey AA great job with covering the craziness that is BE football. Why dont we hear any thing about USF to the Big 12? Why wouldnt the Big 12 want a footprint into the Florida market for recruiting and TV?
Why would they need it with Texas and Oklahoma? The Big 12 is all about survival right now, and adding teams in the geographic region makes the most sense.
What do you think has to happen in order for WVU to pull off the upset over LSU Saturday night?
Yay! A game question! Rob you are my hero. WVU is going to have to run the ball and get a HECK of its game from the offensive line. Big plays are a must -- and that is something that is not easy against this D. NO turnovers. Defense has to get pressure on Jarrett Lee and be opportunistic as well.
AA, I know (USF) last weeks game against FAMU was not on ur top 150 games to watch last week, but im a bit surprised B.J. Daniels play mid-way through the 2nd quarter was never shown on ESPNs top 10 plays. He literally threw one of the pass rushers in their own endzone to prevent a safety.
If WVU gets beat bad (hope not) and USF wins big this week as expected, Does WVU fall completely out of the Rankings? How big a hit does that make for the BE? USF would be carrying the torch for the conference yes?Will anyone else climb into the polls? WVU and USF look to be the 2 strongest this year?
Great question ... I think it would be tough for somebody to drop WVU totally out of the rankings after losing to the No. 2 team in the nation. But if it is a blow out, that very may well happen. That doesn't mean WVU won't climb back up. But at this point, USF and WVU are the best bets for Big East Top 25 rep.
Bubba, you have permission to hate us as everyone in the conference already does, as well as the ACC/SEC......
Come on AA, its an off week. What do you expect we want to discuss? What are the chances of a let down against Marshall after the UK win?
Well there ARE Some big games this weekend! I think with a week in between games, the chances are greatly diminished.
I understand that the dollar (and greed) is the driving force behind all of the conference realignment chaos, but I'm missing the part about how Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and even UConn or Rutgers are going to bring a bunch of televisions and therefore advertising money to the ACC. Can you explain? Sure, Pittsburgh is a major city, but did the ACC miss the fact that nobody seems to care about the Panthers, even in Pittsburgh? Pitt never fill their stadium unless it's because of an influx of WVU fans. Along the same lines, have you ever talked to anybody from New York, NY that's a Rutgers fan? I haven't, and I lived in NY for 4 years. Obviously, it's because Rutgers normally rather stinks in football (and basketball.) How does that translate into more TV sets? As for Syracuse, they're hundreds of miles from NYC, and I don't think they're grabbing too many TV sets in the city either. And Connecticut, while it has over 3 million residents, is not what most would consider to be a football state. (People in New England/the northeast seem to care less about football?) UConn has only even been D-1 for a handfull of years. What gives? I'm not seeing the can't-miss appeal, so the whole TV sets argument for these teams doesn't add up to me. Please explain. Thank you.
They look at TV sets and market size and hope to capitalize on that in a future TV deal. I wish I had some long, detailed explanation, but those demographics are what conferences are looking for when they talk about "expanding" the footprint. But I have to wonder how much more $$ the ACC is going to get in a TV contract renegotiation to now split revenue among 14 teams than 12.
Do you think Pitt was premature, or visionary, in jumping to the ACC? Now it sounds like the Big-12 might survive, even if it's held together at gunpoint (kinda like former Yugoslavia was). Which in turn means the Big East should survive too. The ACC means more money, true, but longer odds to make a BCS bowl game
I don't think we will know the answer until 10 years down the road. To me, the ACC is a more stable place to be than the Big East and Pitt had to make a move to solidify its future. If that comes at the expense of a BCS game, then that is collateral damage I guess.
terry ...ur not making a BCS game in the BE either pal
Andrea, will you be attending the WVU game this Saturday? If not, explain why.
You will have to wait and find out!
How awesome is your job? (despite all the craziness w/BE collapse talk) Seriously...I sit here in my office, finding myself reading up on college football a large portion of the day, realizing I probably should've chosen a career somehow involving CFB.
I have a great job, no doubt about it. Even when things explode around me and I have to try and put out fires.
How long before Holgy and Holtz bolt with the BE weakened and its future uncertain?
You could have asked that even before Pitt and Syracuse bounced the house. All depends on how much success they have and who comes calling.
I agree Kris. Pitt hasn't been relevant in 20 years, just fired their head coach and Syracuse is the Duke of the Big East in football since McNabb left. Should the Big East REALLY be concerned when they have potential to bring in better football schools than the ones leaving?
Looking forward to renewing brief TCU rivalry with Cincinnati from Conf USA days. We had some really fun games, not to mention the BCS standings drama in 2009.
How do you see Tavon being used this weekend? I know we have been pretty balanced, but would this be a good weekend to use him as a decoy and see if Bailey, McCartney and Brown/Urban win a game for you?
Would you want to use one of your best receivers as a decoy? I want the ball in the hands of my best players, so that means trying to get the ball into his hands as much as possible.
Why do all the USF comments in here have their fans thinking they belong in the SEC or Big 12. Last I checked, USF hasn't won any BE Championships. How would they compete against the SEC & Big 12?
I was just wondering the same thing ...
If Cincinnati beats NC State, are they a top three team in the Big East? I'm assuming Pitt loses.
Well that all depends on what everyone else does. Tune in Monday for my next power rankings!
As a Syracuse fan and LSU student, I've seen a lot of both LSU and WVU. I really don't think WVU has much of a chance this week, simply because they don't have a running game. LSU has the most talented secondary in the country, no questions asked. On top of that, their defensive line is deep and very talented. And also very big. LSU's linebackers are decent, but so far this year their play hasn't jumped out at me. They are kind of just there, not giving up anything, but not really deciding the game either like the secondary did against Mississippi State, and the D line did against Oregon.An honest opinion as to what WVU would have to do is to win it on special teams and defense. Their offense will struggle. Geno will need to not line up under the guards, and also not throw INT's. Their defense will need to contain the run game because both Ware and Ford can reach 100 yards.
Excellent analysis. I have some great stats up on the LSU D in the blog right now if you guys have a chance to check it out. I also think the LSU D has a huge advantage and that is the diff in the game.
Is TCU still committed to joining the BE, or have recent events changed the equation? I heard somewhere that the BIGXXII would consider them for membership..
TCU is committed. Not sure the Big 12 is interested. They have Texas locked up.
umm, how would any big east or 13 out of the 14 ACC teams compete agianst the SEC? They wouldn't. Only way to compete agianst the SEC is to be in the SEC or in Florida, see FSU. That's why USF fans want in the SEC or ACC they are conferences most current USF fans grew up watching. And of course that whole AQ thing.
You can want it. But it's not going to happen.
Do you think that Pitt and Cuse will end up staying the full 27 months? I can understand until the conference finds schools to replace them but after that do you think the Big East will let them leave?
No way of knowing, Greg. I think a lot of it depends on how quickly the BE can get new schools in place to begin competing.
Are any other BIG EAST FANS hoping that PITT and SYRACUSE lose all their remaining games this season and becoming the laughing stalk of college football?
If you read my Twitter feed, the answer is yes.
Holgorsen seems to like to gamble (pun unintended) with throws from the endzone and going on 4th down. Do you think he'll throw everything at LSU which I personally don't feel is necessary and could backfire?
I think it all depends on game situation, score and whether he thinks he has a chance to get some momentum. But is he really more of a riverboat gambler than THE MAD HATTER?!?!
Here is an idea, why doesn't the BCS/NCAA/University Presidents cap football conferences at 12 and stop all this expansion nonsense cold in its tracks? Then nobody would be affraid of instability, poaching, more money, etc? If you want to leave your conference, join one with less than 12.
NCAA really has no power. It would have to be the presidents coming together to stop the madness. And why would they do that if they have $$$ in their eyes with 16-team superconferences??
Louisville was picked next to last in football. Charlie Strong wont let that happen. Even if we are the second youngest team in the nation. Ask Kentucky.
Well he let something happen vs. FIU.
I just hope that WVU doesn't look past LSU towards the huge matchup with Bowling Green....
I hope you're right.
I believe alot of people are under estimating East carolina and their fan base , that they would be a good fit in the Big East...it will add a up and coming hungry program and a nc recruiting region
It doesn't matter what other people think, only what the BE thinks.
I'll be shocked if the Big East doesn't lose AQ status or completely fall apart. Here's my attempt to look on the bright side: If we add garbage teams from C-USA and still manage to stay an AQ that guarantees WVU and USF a really easy road to a BCS game every year.
OOh. I think you done made ECU and UCF fans angry.
WVU and LSU both play perfect ball and it comes down to depth and talent..who wins?
The death of Big East football troubles me...It seems once again that the fans and their traditions really don't matter anymore..I am so looking not forward to these games WVU is going to be left with..Those Air Force or ECU games will be better than the cannot replace Pitt or 'Cuse...Sad very sad that the almighty dollar rules all
Me too, Johnny.
I've seen people talk about how WVU had self-inflicted wounds last year in BR, but so did the Tigers. One thing that I clearly remember, though, was LSU's ability to get 10+ yard gains on the ground seemingly at will - especially towards the end of the game. Seeing as LSU has really worn down their opponents in the second half this year, and since one could make the argument that LSU's backfield is even better this year, what do you think WVU might do to try to corral the run game?WVU runs the 3-3-5 pretty darn well, but with their being undersized, LSU might not need to drop back too often. What are your thoughts? Just trying to get some conversation on a topic that hasn't been mentioned in most pregame stuff I've read thus far. Thanks!
Thanks for the great question, Beau. I think there is going to have to be an attempt to crowd the line of scrimmage. And they CANNOT miss any tackles. That is such a huge key that people overlook in these games. They have to get the right leverage on the linemen, too. Good technique is incredibly important. So those are my thoughts. I have to think they are going to try to make Lee beat 'em with his arm.
OK guys, my time is up. Thanks for your great questions! Enjoy your games tonight and this weekend.