Greetings Fight Freaks and welcome to this week's chat. I am chatting today from Los Angeles, where I am to cover tomorrow's night's Hopkins-Dawson HBO PPV card. Plenty to discuss. We've got the big show tomorrow and the new boss being hired at HBO (Ken Hershman) and the rest of the fall schedule nearly upon us. The new notebook is up and there are several stories up on this weekend's card plus the usual news stories and updated rankings and schedule, so let's get to it.
Do you think David Haye's retoerment is for real?
No I do think he is toe-tally retired. He'll be back. I just hope his toe is OK when he re-toens.
Were the official Pacquiao vs Mosley PPV numbers ever released? All there seems to be is an estimate from Arum that it would be over 1.3 million once all was counted, but nothing official.
No, there was never an "official" announcement but Arum said he thought it could reach 1.3 million. The real number, from what I am told, is a little below that in the 1.2s, which is still tremendous.
Yo Dan.. can any of The Freaks help out with a link to the Tecate rebate?? (assuming there is one)
I do not know if there is a Tecate rebate on this fight.
Hey Dan, I have a Mexican co-worker that argues with me that both Erick Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera are HOF caliber fighters, I think they were both very entertaining to watch but I disagree. Can you settle this for us?
I sort of hope this isn't a serious question. If it is, they are both first-ballot LOCKS. PERIOD. Not even a remote question.
OK D$, let's get it out of the way.....Who ya got tomorrow night? Gonna go with logic again, or with B-Hop?
I dont pick against Hopkins anymore until further notice. I have Hopkins by decision.
What's next for Chad Dawson if he wins? What happens to Chad is he loses convincingly?
Really an unknown. If it's a great fight (let's hope) I guess we could see a rematch. If Chad wins a regular fight maybe he fights Pascal again, which I would not be opposed to. If Chad loses, pretty much anything could go.
How serious were the negotiations between the Vitaly Klitschko and Haye sides?
They talked from what I understand. But that was about it.
good morning,dan. is there a remote possibilitie that rigondeaux ramos can still be held on cotto margarito undercard? since we know ramos promoters have done the impossible not to fight and it was the original place for the fight.
No, that fight will not be on that card.
Any idea when Zab will be fighting again?
No. Certainly not until at least next year.
how much is dewey bozella getting paid for his undercard fight? His opponent?
I am not sure, but I will check with the commission folks when I see them at the weigh in.
Which fight on tomorrow's card are you most interested in seeing?
I like the overall show. There isn't one fight that blows me away but I like the Garcia-Holt and Linares-DeMarco fights. And even though I dont expect Hopkins-Dawson to be all action, I am always interested to see what BHop can do.
Assuming that his run as a light heavy still has a ways to go before he retires, where does Hopkins rank in your mind historically as a middleweight?
I consider him one of the 3-4 middleweights ever with Hagler, Monzon and maybe Robinson (although he was at his best at welterweight).
hey dan. with Hershman onboard HBO, could it be probable that MMA is given a slot as was done on Showtime?
Anything is possible, but I think right now Hershman's mandate from his bosses is to get the boxing franchise in order before even looking at that as a possibility. I do not see MMA coming to HBO in the near future. UFC just locked up its TV and cable rights with Fox. And UFC now owns Strikeforce, which is on Showtime.
What about Linares-DeMarco? I've got Demarco in the upset.
I lean to Linares by decision. I just think he is a better fighter, faster, more skills, more ways to win and a better trainer.
Sir Freak, hows the buzz? I know it ain't Vegas but is there an exciting atmosphere yet?
Impossible to judge that sort of thing as there is no real central fight location. Everyone is spread over different hotels and this isn't a fight where people are traveling to attend like a big one in Vegas. Honestly, although this is a good card, it is in the wrong place. I have heard from people involved in the event that the ticket sales are horrific. Maybe there will be a nice walkup tomorrow.
Ok Dan, Can We get your offical predictions for Saturday Nights's fights?
I like BHop, Linares, Garcia and Malignaggi in the TV fights.
What's next for Kid Chocolate?
He fights on HBO Nov. 5 vs Craig McEwan on the Angulo-Kirkland undercard.
Dan, I'm really geeked up for the December 3 card, from top to bottom it looks like the PPV will be WELL worth it.
It's the best PPV of the year (and of the last few years). I wrote a whole blog about that a week or so ago.
Here's my BHop story from today: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7100179/bernard-hopkins-answer-boxing-age-old-question
Any word on when tickets will go on sale for Khan-Peterson?
Not yet, but when they have it finalized I will tweet it. Follow me @danrafaelespn
dan whats your thoughts on the new english tv channel good more fights for fans or bad takes the sport further from the mainstream
I think it's good. Competition with Sky is a good thing.
dan, if toney gets past lebedev does he get a title shot against the klitschko sisters.
You're an idiot.
Should Boxing fans do cartwheels now that Hershman has taken over HBO Boxing?
As far as I am concerned the jury is out. I respect Ken a lot and have known him for years. But there is a big difference being the little dog nipping at the big dog's heels than being the big dog. Big difference being the GM of the Padres and of being GM of the Yankees. He will be judged on results, not rhetoric or promises. It is as simple as that and I wish him good success, because if he is successful reparing HBO's damaged brand it means we, as fans, are the winners.
Hey Dan, With the B-Hop-Dawson fight do you see a senario where Chad uses his jab and quickness to dominate B-hop inthis fight and is there any scenario where you see the ref stops the fight because of this?
I think that is possible, but I have hard time seeing a stoppage for Dawson.
Yep, read your blog on the Dec. 3 card, that's what got me so geeked up!!
Good man, keep readin'!
To Dan and all freaks, a word on behalf of the recent retirement of David Haye: Y-A-W-N.
I'm guessing Al Haymon might be a little worried about Hershman taking over, no more 8 round fights against bums cuz his fighter's hands hurt.
Amen my brother.
Dan, Can you please tell the Klitschko haters that both are all time greats, first ballot HOFers..
I think you just did.
I was shocked HBO got Hershman. Did boxing writers not know Hershman's contract was up at Showtime?
I have been hearing his name prominently for maybe a month. I was a little surprised HBO went that direction -- nobody goes from Showtime to HBO, until now -- but by all accounts he was not first choice. They went through various intereviews and meetings and didn't make a deal with anyone before talking to Ken.
I'm surprised Hershman doesnt enter his role until Jan. Will he have the opportunity to have a say in the upcoming Spring boxing lineup. If so, we can start judging then.
From what I understand, his Showtime contract goes until the end of this year and I guess waiting a couple of months was part of the exit with Showtime.
Dan, did you fill out your HOF ballot yet? Is it too early for you to say who you voted for and why?
I have a partially filled out ballot sitting on my desk at home and I will finish it next week before I send it in. It is due back by Oct. 31.
is dewey bozella fighting a one time thing or is he going to continue to box or just train?
He wants one pro fight. Although he said if somebody makes him a good offer he may do another.
If you truly love boxing, then you have to appreciate both Klitschkos style and what they've accomplished. Enough with all the hating.
Sam Peter Update?
Dan, David Haye just called. He wants to know what happened to his toe polish.
I talked to Tecate via facebook. No rebate on this fight
Hey dan, what did you think of the Pacman-Marquez face off?
I thought they tried to some interesting stuff with the videos and I dont think it really worked.
Dan, does the sound of Peter Manfredo- new WBC Middleweight champion of the world sound possible ?
Dan, enjoy yourself here on the beautiful Left Coast!
Weather is superb. Spent last night with some friends at a BBQ at a friend's house. Was nice and relaxing.
Los Dan-geles, what about how Hershman's departure affects Showtime? I think they've done very well with many of their cards recently, and I wonder if he's taking many people with him, if he's got a successor-in-waiting that can keep things running smoothly, etc.
Nice nickname! Showtime now is putting out feelers for a replacement. They are assembling their list and figure to begin their process in the coming days.
Update on the love child
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Love Child. I spoke to Kathy Duva at Main Events this week and asked about some of her fighters. Doesn't look like LC, Judah or Adamek will be back until 2012.
Is it true Povetkin is fighting Rahman instead of Holyfield?
What sanctioning body is worse: WBA or WBC?
Which is worse: to die in a plane crash or a car crash?
Hey- props on your Bozella piece. Inspiring stuff. The vido was awesome as well (although they should have gotten Liev).
That video is MUST WATCH. If you missed it, click on my blog from a couple of days ago about Dewey Bozella and the video is with it.
Will you be suprised if Donaire-Naravez fight goes past 4 rounds?
Not at all. Narvaez, although fighting a much bigger guy, has always showed a good chin.
can you please tell hbo to bring back the 30 minute countdowns atleast for the hopkins vs dawson fight to get atleast hyped up!any idea if hbo brings back there old intro theme back
Ken's FIRST move should to be bring back the old music and demand that round card girls are show on BAD.
Just read the notebook Dan. Let's hope Ricky Hatton can find his way as a trainer. There is only one, you know.
I've heard that rumor.
Dan, when do the rumors about Showtime hiring you begin-- let me start, Dan Rafael considering Showtime position!
Dan, did you say BBQ??????
Relax. It wasn't at my house!
Dan, doyou think we will see Zaurbek Baysangurov on HBO anytime soon ?
Do you think I will dream of living in Hartford?
Donaire said he wants to be very careful about moving up in weight. How far can you see him move up in weight?
when does the pac marquez 24/7 get going? Is this one going to be on cnn as well?
Starts next Saturday and will also be on CNN later that night.
Does Rigo-Ramos interest you?
It's only a matter of time until Haye unretires and calls out Dewey Bozella for ducking him
Pay the man, Shirley!
So, we have confirmation that even though he is now a trainer, there is STILL only one Ricky Hatton?
DTM, are you as uninterested in the Bradley-Casamayor fight as I am? Last time I checked Casamayor was way over the hill and getting his face beat in at 135, now I'm supposed to get excited to see him fight a PFP fighter at 140? It's a joke.
Why are B Hop and Dawson fighting in LA in the first place?
Golden Boy tried Newark and looked at other venues in the east that were not available for the date. And it has a close relationship with AEG, the owner of Staples and it wound up here.
Is there going to be any US coverage for Tyson Marques-Luis Concepcion II?
But Hatton has his "seconds" license. Surely that means more than one.
That is a trick comment.
Do you see lou DiBella becoming the new head of Showtime? Or is that a step down for him?
I could see it. That's the move for Showtime. It would upstage HBO AND get a guy who could kick some major butt.
Will Hershman going to HBO hurt the networks relationship with Top Rank? I seem to remember Bob Arum being pretty upset that a certain network was putting on a show the same night as his PPV on HBO.
Let's just say Arum is not thrilled with the hire.
What are your thoughts on Jermaine Taylor getting his license? Seems pretty damn dangerous
He has had every possible test known to man by the best doctors in the country at the Mayor Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic brain center not to mention his personal doctor. Everyone has given him a clean bill of health and say there is no more danger to him fighting than any other danger any fighter faces. I am not a doctor. If they say he is at no more risk than anyone I am not going to argue. I'd like to see Taylor take it slow to see how he performs and am glad to hear he is not going to fight above middleweight. If he fights and looks really bad maybe the docs will have a change of heart. But if he is medically OK he has a right to make a living.
Dan,Any news on EPIX picking up Burns/Katsidis or any other fights?
Epix isn't doing that fight. I am told there will be at least one show in December, but nothing is set yet.
are you going to vote for prince naseem this year?
Yes. I already have. I have consistently voted for the last several years.
have you heard any chatter about possible fights on FNF in early 2012?
I have heard a few things, but the schedule is being worked on so nothing is set. FNF is supposed to come back Jan. 6 -- I believe that is the Friday of that week.
Will I, or will I not drink my own urine again on 24/7?
You will. Cheers.
Marquez Concepcion II will be on Fox Sports. Any word on how ticket sales are for Donaire's fight at the WaMu Theatre?
No it is not on Fox Sports. It was going to be and then Top Rank added a US show and now it is not. And the MSG Theater is no longer called the WaMu Theater. That sponsorship is long over.
why did Taylor get his license back but Joe Mesi strugled for years to get his back.I think Taylors injury was worse.
Mesi's was worse. He had multiple bleeds and multiple bad MRIs, Jermain did not.
Dan, welcome to LA! I'll look for you here at Staples. Do you think Garcia is underestimating Holt? Holt knocked Tim Bradley down twice. He knocked out Diaz. I have Holt taking this fight.
Holt can win obviously, he's a great puncher and not a shot, old guy. I respect Holt's ability. I know Garcia is not taking this lightly. I was on my way to a breakfast meeting today and I ran into Danny's dad/trainer Angel. That team is very focused and ready for this fight.
I know you said you don't believe Haye's retirement....Just out of curiosity..do you suppose he made enough money to walk?
No. I dont think he can walk. His toe is sore.
Hopkinsżf vs Dawson PPV buys 200k over/under ?
Under. Well under.
Dan, Since u work for EPIX, Please tell them their feed is attrocious! Please fix, because I'm glad theyre picking up fights, but it's hard to watch as a fan.
They are aware of the issues and have been working to fix the issues.
The Bozella story is amazing. Someone needs to make a movie on that. not scared to say I got choked up.
I'm pretty sure you will see a film someday. How could somebody not make a movie?
You know what i'm saying?
Dan, If Malignaggi wins convincingly, do you see him getting Devon alexander?
I think it's possible.
How many ppv buys does GBP and Shaw need to profit on tomorrows show?
0. The money is guaranteed by HBO as this was a "flip" to PPV. Read my notebook from a month or so ago that explained it.
Hay Dan, just for fun: three years from now, who will be a more successful heavyweight? Arreola, Fury, Helenius or Povetkin?
Of those guys, Helenius has the best upside.
Is it true that you are really in LA to lay down tracks for Dr. Dre and Snoop's next album?
Hi Dan. Can you please clarify what role Winky Wright's had in Dawson's camp?
Nothing official. He was there working out and observing and offering tips in an unofficial capacity. They used him on a conference call for some publicity. Winky is not an assistant and said he wont be in the corner. He and Chad are friendly and he was there in an unofficial capacity.
I described Chad Dawson as "The Least Interesting Man in the World" to someone who had never seen him fight before. Am I being too harsh?
all these jokes about my injury are a-toe-cious!
Is it just me or has the promotion for this Hopkins fight been just non existant. I havent seen anything promoting this fight except for a small newspaper ad this mornings daily news in NY
The marketing budget is small that is why. This is in essence an HBO fight on PPV at the network's decision.
Worse matchup - Bradley-Casamayor or Canelo-Cintron? Cintron has looked lost out there his last few fights, even in victory.
Bradley-Casamayor. At least in Canelo-Cintron, Cintron still is probably the best guy Canelo will have fought to this point.
I've seen tons of commercials for the Hopkins v Dawson all over directv
Hey Dan, let the freaks know that Ticketmaster has massively discounted the Tix. Got $200 tix for $60 each. Simply type "believe it or not" (all lower) to get the additional 20% online.
Dan, is Michael Moorer working as an assistant or Second in any camps?
He is training Ryan Coyne for his upcoming fight.
Has Dawson started taking conference calls from the shower under Winky's tutelage?
Does a flip mean the amount of buys doesn't effect the amount the fighters receive at all?
Correct unless it did a big buy rate, in which case it is possible they would see some upside depending on their deals. But there wont be any upside on this fight since it will not do substantil PPV numbers.
Do you buy David Haye's remarks that he is at the same level of Evander Holyfield as a cruiserweight? Or is he just being delusional?
Delusional, as usual. Holyfield beat Qawi, for example, a terrific fighter and one of the toughest dudes ever for his cruiserweight tite. Haye beat Mormeck, who was good but nothing great by any stretch.
No more Haymon Boxing Office!! Jan. 9, 2012....Hershman Boxing Office, baby!!!
Relax. As long as Al has Mayweather and as long as HBO wants to keep him happy Al will continue to have juice at HBO. Although I do think Ken will put his foot down to garbage Gary Russell 8-rounders against hobos.
hi dan - if im not mistaken Popo Freitas should be eligible for the HOF next year. Do u think he has a shot at getting in? We all know you were a big fan (ie. named your cat after him!)
He may not get on the ballot. Lots of guys who should be on dont get on. If he does get on, I dont think he makes it. As much as I love him I would probably not vote for him.
Dan, can you explain why certain American writers call Wlads style boring yet applaud defense-first fighters like Hopkins and Mayweather? Seems a double standard to me.
I think a couple of things. One, Mayweather and BHop are Americans. Two, there is a certain expectaion that the heavyweight champion should be a knockout artist, clubber, not a technician. Technicians are more acceptable in smaller divisions, but not at heavyweight,where the champ is supposed to be the baddest man on the planet.
Speaking of replacements in boxing, any word on who will follow BK on FNF?
any word on the ppv numbers for pbf v. victor ortiz? did it really do under 1 million?
No, it did more than a million.
Hey Dan, whos your pick for Cleverly vs Bellew?
Hi Dan, in your opinion was Holyfield the greatest cruiserweight ever.
Yes, he was and I dont think there is anyone else in the conversation at this point.
Dan, who is Hopkins fighting and when?
when are your year end awards coming out?
See what I deal with?
It would be nice if Hershman's first order of business is to order more legendary night shows.
Hey Dan, when does Halloween fall this year?
Banishment back with a vengence!!!
Just randomly watched Timmy Austin vs Rafael Marquez again. That was a great scrap! Did Austin ever fight again after that?
Yes Austin did fight three more times after that but never at the top level. And I remember that fight VERY well. I proposed to my wife after the fights that night.
Hey Dan, What fight will you be watching Nov.5? Angulo vs Kirkland or Bute vs Johnson?
I'll be on my couch with a cool beverage going back and forth.
Any news on Tarvaris Cloud?
Yeah, the news is that his name is Tavoris.
Will Freddie Roach be in Linares' corner tomorrow night?
Yes, Freddie is his trainer.
PROPOSED AFTER A RAFAEL MARQUEZ FIGHT - NOW THAT IS FREAK STATUS!
danno - have u ever met Panama Lewis in person? Seems like such a sleazy guy
I have, unfortunately.
Wow Banishment without a warning!!! Very Joe Cortez of you Dan.
At least I was paying attention.
Dan,I really hope Hershman does well at HBO. I also believe that HBO missed a huge opportunity to bring in someone fresh who really would think outside the box....There is a boxing Theo Epstien out there....
hey dan when exactly is the day after yesterday?
Dan, could you tell me when July 4th falls next year?
Dan, Too Sharp being added to the HOF ballot got me thinking who would have won in there primes Tapia vs. Johnson? I like Mi Vida Loca.
Johnson would have schooled Tapia.
And, for the record, because I had this conversation with Too Sharp and others at the Khan-Peterson presser in DC last week -- had the best flyweight Mark Johnson fought the best FLYWEIGHT Pacquiao, Johnson would have wiped the floor with Pacquiao (at flyweight). NO QUESTION IN MY MIND WHATSOEVER.
Hopkins currently has has top story status on CNN.com
Sounds like a little HBO/Time Warner/CNN synergy to me.
When is my birthday?
$1.1M for Senchenko-Solomon? Is Ross Greenburg running Union Boxing Promotions now?
Pay the man, Shirley!!!!!!!!!
Toe jokes aside, I was kind of hoping to see a Haye-Adamek fight.
That's fine. Good fight. But you can say it with a toe joke. That would also be fine.
David Haye vs. TOEmasz Adamek.
I have to admit, I think the that Haye toe jokes will always be funny to me.
What is the best fight you've watched in LA?
I have covered several fights in LA but the three most action-packed that I was ringside for are probably Lewis-Klitschko, Mosley-DLH 1 and Erik Morales-Injin Chi.
Dan Rafa, Read an article on this site saying that Joan Guzman is the best fighter in NY. It went on to say that the guys got speed and power and so on and so forth. I thought it was a joke. Guzman blows. What do you think?
I agree with you. He is a waste of time.
Any word on who Rios will be facing on Dec 3rd card?
Somebody did not read the notebook or last week's.
Dan, with respect, you can spin it however you want, but Hopkins-Dawson is NOT a PPV worthy fight! HBO should?ve balked rather than damage their brand with this stinkfest.
Dude when did I ever say it was a worthy PPV fight? How about never. I'm not spinning anything. I have explained the factual reasons why it is on PPV and not on HBO. The reality is HBO has a three-fight contract with Bernard Hopkins. This is fight No. 2 of that deal, a mandatory fight against a pre-approved opponent. If you don't like factual information, sorry bro.
someone give Karim a hug....he needs to cool down and accept this.
That stupid comment of his really irked my nerve.
I enjoyed Mosley whooping Margarito in LA :)
Not as great of a fight but memorable. I was here for that fight too. A few other other LA fights I was ringside for: DLH-Forbes, Roy Jones-Gonzalez, Klitschko-Sanders off the top of my head.
What about that piece from ESPN UK saying that Haye retired on top and had nothing left to prove?
LOL. He didnt prove anything at heavyweight other than he could con people out of their money and that he has a weak toe.
Interesting, I didn't know you were in the biz at the time of Mosley- DLH 1. Did Shane look like the winner live for that one? On TV it was razor thin until the last round...
No, he won the fight. That was my first year as the USA TODAY beat writer. That was my very first trip to Los Angeles in my life. That was the first time I met Oscar and Shane in person and the first time I met Bob Arum in person.
Do you have any idea where the media will be staying in DC during Khan-Peterson?
No. I will be staying at my house.
Agreed, Haye's "retirement" is toe-tal nonsense. It's only a matter of time until he realizes he has toe much time on his hands after flopping at every "acting" audition he goes toe. He's toe-tally fighting again, sooner rather than later.
for what it's worth David Haye did go 12 rounds with Wlad and never quit.With that said he is a poser.
Not trying is a form of quitting.
Not trying is a form of quitting.
Isn't there an * need to be placed in those Mosely vs DLH fights, with use of perfromance enhancing drugs?
No, Shane used for the second fight. Never suspicion he was using for the first one.
LOL Dan, you called Jones vs Marrone "a dreck of a fight"...that has to be an original quote.
Am I wrong?
please dont ban me for this dan, but do you think David Haye will eventually get voted in the HOF? should he?
do you respect david hayes career?
As a cruiserweight yes.
When you start your post "Please don't ban me for this..." you know what you are about to type is STUPID!
1.1mil was the purse bid for Senchenko/Solomon!? Is that one of the most asounding purse bids youve seen recently?
Not just recently. EVER.
Dan, can you rate the Four Kings book about Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, and Duran? I'm thinking about buying it!
If you are a fan of those guys and their series of fights, it is must read. Written by the late George Kimball, a longtime friend of mine who died earlier this year from cancer. If I am not mistaken, he covered every one of the fights between the four guys. Tremendous book.
When he comes out of retirement, where do you think Haye should fight first?Toe-ronto, Toe-kyo or Toe-ledo?
Hershman's to do list should be as follows 1) Bring back old theme music. 2) Show ring card girls on BAD. 3)Tell his announce team to STFU during ring entrances. 4) Tell his production staff to show the highlight video's in the arena before fighter entrances on the TV broadcast.
Nishioka-Donaire in 2012??
Good possibility, yes. Good fight too.
DTM... who did you have winning SSM vs. DLH 2 ? I thought Oscar pulled that one off
I had Oscar winning.
Is there a rematch clause in the Hopkins vs. Dawson fight if the fight is close or if Dawson wins?
No rematch clause. It's a mandatory.
Is Bozella fighting at Heavyweight?
If a Berto vs. Ortiz rematch doesn't materialize, what would you think of a Berto vs. Collazo rematch...provided Collazo gets past Hernandez?
Berto's next fight is a mandatory with Bailey unless he gives up the title.
Any word on Seth Mitchells, opponent for December 10th, heard it might be Chazz Witherspoon, which seems like it would be a good fight.
It is not set as far as I know. I have heard Timor Ibragimov come up as well.
What do you think Kell Brooks chances of getting a shot against Berto/Ortiz?
Doubt it is anytime soon.
Do you think Calzaghe is HOF worthy?
OK, Freaks thanks for chatting today. I'm going to head to the Hopkins-Dawson weigh-in shortly. Hope you enjoy the show if you buy the PPV. Have a great weekend and talk you next week. Peace.