Greetings Fight Freaks and welcome to Rafael After Dark. What a great fight tonight between Salido and Lopez!!! Incredible stuff and Salido gets the 10th-round TKO. Tremendous. Hope you enjoyed it! Now let's discuss it and anything else in boxing.
Dan, would you say this could be fight of the year?
It's only March but it will certainly be a candidate.
Lopez says he thought he was dominating in his post-fight interview. He wasn't.
Lopez accusing referee of stopping it because of gambling? Never heard that excuse before.
D$ - Round 9. That is why I LOVE boxing.
OMG that was a great round! So was the 8th.
Official cards at time of stoppage are surprising: 86-84 twice for Lopez and 85-85. Good thing Salido brought his own two judges (his fists!).
Where does lopez go from here??
Good question. Anywhere but another fight with Salido.
Danimal,What a fight! Round 9 better than Gatti/Ward?
Let's not get carried away.
FINALLY, the first mememorable fight of 2012!
Well there really haven't been a lot of fights so far. But this was a terrific one.
NUTS AND GUTS!!
DID HIS HEAD EXPLODE???????????????
Holy 9th round Bat Dan!!!!!!!
Lopez clearly has a head injury thinking he was dominating the fight and thinking the fight was stopped cuz of a gambling ref
Apparently Salido knocked the sense out of Juanma.
I try not to take what a fighter says RIGHT after he got knocked out too seriously.
Sore loser!!!! He got beat and it's blaming it on the ref, he also was throwing elbows, hitting and holding
i guess we won't be seeing juanma-gamboa ever
Probably not at this point.
Mikey garcia just got an early birthday gift.Garcia-Salido is got to be made!
I dont think it will be. They will match Garcia with Caballero IMO.
Embarrassing comments by Juan Manuel Lopez...he was stumbling around like a drunken sailor and says he got stopped because the ref is a gambler? Lame.
Not the best postfight interview I've ever heard, agreed.
Puerto ricans can't accept the loss when it's by the hands of a MEXICAN
That just makes it worse for the Puerto Rican fighter. Big rivalry, maybe the best.
Salido landed a lot of different punches, strung them together beautifully for the finish.
Something, really something needs do be done about these judges.
I have no idea how you could have Lopez AHEAD. It was competitive but he was losing to me. I had it 86-84 for Salido at the time of the stoppage.
How does this compare to Corales-Castillo 1?
Tonight was a terrific fight but it was not Corrales-Castillo or even that close to me. I was at Corrales-Castillo and I have never seen anything like that in my life.
Is there any US TV for DeMarco's fight next Saturday?
Gamboa already beat him once before on HBO.
Corrales-Castillo I = Rounds 8+9 for the entire fight more epic ending
Exactly. People get too caught up in the moment. I do appreciate their enthusiasm though.
Is it me or does Antonio Tarver come across so much likable as a commentator than he ever did as a boxer.
LOL, agreed. Tarver is great on the mic.
9th round, definitely round of the year.
It's only March but at this point, yes.
since salido has no qualms about going on the road, do you think we will ever see a salido vs. chris john fight?
No, because there will be more money for Salido to fight in the US.
I lost a lot of respect for JuanMa after that interview. I cant see myself rooting for him ever again. Be a man, accept your loss and improve upon your defensive skills before assassinating the character of a referee on national television!
It was pretty weak.
What kind of guy is Jim Gray in person? I think he's most people's least favorite sport's reporter.
Jim has always been super nice to me when we've been at fights together or hung out at fights. A lot different in person that he sometimes comes across on TV.
Castillo-Corrales were the undisputed two best guys in their weight class. They fought at a hellacious pace for the entire fight and brutalized each other. Then , after Corrales gets knocked down twice in the 10th he stops Castillo (WHO HAD NEVER BEEN EVEN KNOCKED DOWN IN A 60 FIGHT CAREER). That fight will never be topped.
Never say never but it was a great fight. Tonight's fight, as good as it was, was no Corrales-Castillo or Vazquez-Marquez or Gatti-Ward or Somsak-Monshipour, etc...
Juanma was battered and exhausted. We should cut him some slack for his foolish post fight comments.
I agree to a degree but you are still responsible for what you say.
Give Jim Gray credit for asking Lopez if he really wanted to stick with his conspiracy theory
I also checked Jim into a hotel in SD and he gave me a 50 spot...so he is a good tipper!
Any judge which had Salido losing that fight should never be allowed to judge again.
His post fight interview did more damage than Salido did. Thats the way you tarnish your own legacy.
WOW, Lopez is getting crushed in the chat queue for that interview. He may never live it down. Goes right up there with Victor Ortiz's interview after the Maidana fight.
Did Lopez put his toe in his mouth with what he said in that postfight interview or what?
Great fight! However, Juama needs to learn to keep his chin tuck and learn a thing called defense.
Cant teach an old dog new tricks. His defense has always been poor.
Lopez was really hurt in the previous round. No one seemed to mention him stumbling back to his corner. I think he came back basically out on his feet.
He was definitely hurt in the 8th round.
As a Puerto rican I am embarrassed and in shock of the lack of class juanma showed tonight. I'm sure he has lost a lot of support from the Puerto rican community over his comments.
When juanma was pulling back and not putting everything in to his punches u knew it was gonna be a long n
How about JuanMa vs Celestino Caballero? Now JuanMa doesn't have any leverage.
That aint happening. It's probably going to be Caballero vs Mikey Garcia. And I would bet Lopez moves up to 130.
So is there any doubt now that Gamboa would've smoked Juanma?
Who knows? Styles make fights and Gamboa is far different fighter than Salido. So, no, that is not fair to say.
I'd say this is worse than the Ortiz interview....being a "quitter" and contemplating not fighting again is one thing but Juanma accused the ref of having a gambling problem and stopping a fight in which he got KNOCKED THE F OUT.
Road Warriors take note, when the judging is bad, knock the dude out
Exactly. Knockouts are the best.
Dan, do you think Donaire and Arce will ever fight?
Yes, this fall on HBO.
I have to say Ramirez did a great fight. I' m feeling that what Juanma said is ridiculos.
I agree. I thought the referee did an excellent job in the fight.
Would you agree that Lopez postfight interview was toe-riffic?
Any thoughts on the shocker from Sonny Boy Jaro? Still can't believe he derailed Wonjongkam like that
Upset of the year most likely. VERY big upset.
this fight has me fired up for ortiz-berto II
Juanma takes a tune up fight right now? or goes for another big fight immediately?
Juanma takes a long rest.
Speaking of referees, nice work by Luis Pabon in the first fight after that HORRIBLE job with Huck-Povetkin in Germany.
Well he didn't have much to do since Garcia totally dominated.
anyone else wish mayweather-cotto would be in puerto rico instead of vegas?
LOL, that would be epic.
How much longer before mikey Garcia , gets a title fight?
I think he gets a shot probably this summer in his next fight.
Where does this rank in the pr vs mexico historic rivalry?
For action fights, it's way up there.
When you're watching a great fight at home and Mrs. DTM hears the commotion, does she come down stairs to see what the hell is going on, or does she already know?
She knows, believe me, she knows. After 16 years together she knows.
Loved the fight Salido is a monster and Lopez fought well. Just a sore loser tho.. Cant wait to see Salido again!!!
Garcia proved himself to be a smart and patient boxer, but does he really look ready for that Salido/Lopez level yet?
I think he can definitely box with either of them, no doubt in my mind.
If Lopez does move to 130, What about matching him with Juan Carlos Burgos?
It's an unlikely fight but who knows? Lopez going to have to rebuild some. I would not expect his next fight to be a major fight and I would not expect him back probably until the fall.
I heard that Winky Wright was going to fight soon, is that real or rumor?
He may fight this spring. Talking about fights with Golden Boy. Peter Quillin is possible.
Broner kayos juanma but lucky for juanma he's with top rank and broners with golden boy
I tend to agree. I think Broner slaughters Lopez.
whats the deal with gamboa vs rios are they working it out or is it over
Top Rank hopes Gamboa will still take the fight but obviously it looks bad at the moment and they are working on alternative options in case he doesn't.
Will next malignaggi fight have us tv?
Probably going to be Integrated Sports PPV.
Does Mrs. DTM watch with you? Do you watch by yourself and then ramble on for 20 minutes to her like I do to my wife before you finally realize she doesn't care? How does that work?
LOL. Actually, I was in the family room watching and she was upstairs in the bedroom reading but she had it on TV. She heard me freak out a little during the 8th and 9th rounds.
Dan, why the special late night chat? Did you know tonight would be epic?
I always try to do an RAD chat after an HBO or Showtime fight if I am not AT the fight and can accomodate it in my sked.
What's the latest on Jermain Taylor's next fight?
Probably April 13 in the main event of a special edition of ShoBox against Caleb Truax.
based on tonight, will juanma ever regain his spot? or he follows juan diaz to pasture?
Juanma's career is in serious tattters right now both in terms of his public perception because of those comments and his lack of a chin and defense.
All i know is this fight was about" NUTS N GUTS "
Andy Lee vs Chavez Jr?
Was discussed twice and both times Top Rank declined.
Dan - have you ever covered a fight live in Puerto Rico? what a great atmosphere there!
Yes I have and it was an awesome atmosphere. It's a great place with great fans. I had a blast there.
Lopez looks like damaged goods after 2 beatdowns by Salido. Way to easy to hit and didn't like his reactions after getting nailed by big shots. He froze up a couple of times after getting clocked.
He also looked bad in his two-round win against Mike Oliver in between the two Salido losses.
Juanma will always have trouble with rugged guys that can punch and take a punch. Mtagwa exposed him years ago.
I was at that fight and watching Lopez try to survive the full 3 minutes of the 12th round when he was absolutely dead was amazing. Just trying to kill the clock. He was finished and looking at the big screen to see how much time was left. It was a miracle he made the bell. Incredible.
First time in any chat in a long time. Waiting for the West Coast feed to come on and the fight spoiler has me pumped. Not even frustrated that I heard the result already.
There's nothing quite like a great action fight followed by RAD
What's next for Bernabe?
Who cares? He's a journeyman who will never beat a top guy and doesn't even make exciting fights anymore.
Hats off to salido for going to enemies territory and beating the best featherweight TWICE.
I do give him credit but I dont think Lopez was considered the best 126.
How about Orlando Salido vs. Jhonny Gonzalez potential match up in the future?
Dan, was juanma's post fight comments the sorriest excuse you've ever heard for a loss?
Something tells me Lopez could fight Salido 100 times and probably never beat him... Just a bad style matchup
You're probably right. After two knockouts I dont think we're seeing a third fight.
Do you think Salido will finally get the respect he deserves?
I think he has gotten a ton of respect since he beat Lopez the first time.
I think we should see Mikey Garcia fight Salido. Garcia is tougher to hit clean than Lopez and is as good a counter puncher. Big mexican fight too.
I'd love to see that fight. Just think Mikey's people have a different path for him at the moment -- Caballero.
dan will you be at the fight next weekend in msg?
Dan - People get a little cross-eyed this late at night. Does that alter the number of Ricky Hattons?
No. Just one.
thoughts on a possible (certain) Burns - Mitchell bout?
I watched Ricky's lopsided win this afternoon. I like the Kevin Mitchell match if it happens. I think it's a good style matchup. Mitchell will really have to be on his game though. Burns is a far superior boxer.
Dan , going back to Wlad and Vitali, I agree with you wholeheartely, they would of been dominant during almost any era. To big, strong and athletic for the smaller heavies from years ago. Keep up the great work on Epix, you have been doing a great job.
Are Golden Boy's Fight Night Club cards done?
No, Richard Schaefer told recently they'll be back. I think next month actually.
Is next week in the MSG arena or theater?
Judges score cards at the end of the fight??!! ONE even, TWO to Lopez?? Im done with this sport
That's too bad because you would have missed a great fight.
Dan, do you think Haye's toe had a gambling problem?
seen trinidad at the fight made wish he was still young
Was great to see him. Tito is one of my all-time favorite fighters both to watch and also to cover.
How can Bute -Froch not be on TV that's a great fight
It will be on US TV just a matter of time until they get a US TV dead done.
at least nobody got glassed
is epix interested in bute froch?
So now there is no return bout in the Bute - Froch deal? I always thought that was a bad idea.
My understanding is that Bute has a rematch clause that calls for a rematch to be in Canada in the event Froch wins.
How many are planning on watching the replay? :)
I will watch it on my DVR after the chat when I get into bed.
Have you ever seen a fighter significantly improve his defense as late in his career as JML seems to be?
Marco Antonio Barrera made a remarkable change to his style later in his career. Went from pure brawler to a boxer puncher with solid defense.
im watching the fight again right now on my DVR!
I didn't get a chance to watch , how did Garcia look ?
Dominated, won every second of the fight. Not overly exciting and I would like to see him pick up the pace a little but he fought a fine fight.
DVR is a fight freaks best friend!!!
salido vs broner
Not competitive. Broner toyage. Bigger, stronger, faster, better technically.
Here in the island we're upset, NOT by the defeat, but by the classless interview by Juanma...he is not a gentleman...
Very glad about the ShowtimeExtreme broadcast! Too bad that second fight was such a bore.
Agreed. Love the Extreme coverage. I know the second fight was pretty bad but you can't win 'em all.
Dan, When did you start liking boxing, or was it just a job at first?
I've been a boxing fan since I was a kid, late 70s and early 80s.
Dan, I used to enjoy your chats but the Toe Jokes, Love Child references, etc are old. Give it a rest already.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Love Child. Thanks for reminding me.
Broner vs. Gamboa? Or does it need to marinate?
Golden Boy + Top Rank = No fight.
Hey Dan, did you predict that Salido would win?
No, I had picked Lopez in a very tough fight.
Hey Joe (CA), don't like Love Child references? Ahhhhhhh, toe bad!!
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Dan who's your pick for Mares vs Morel?
Mares should win that fairly easily. I hate that fight.
Dan , I cut JML some slack he just got stopped and fought his heart out front of all his friends and family,poor choice of words butwhat a heart, never quit attitude is what this great sport is all about and life itself.
Nobody question's the man's heart. They question his idiotic accusations.
Morel not worthy of Showtime, especially after tonights war
Morel has never been worthy of premium cable.
No lie, the "high" from the fight wore off when Gus went "And don't forget to tune into our next Showtime Championship Boxing event, Abner Mares against Eric Morel"Garbage fight
If you don't like the way Danimal chats, broadcasts, or mows his lawn, guess what? Go elsewhere. We are not here to change Dan. We are enjoying the chat, unlike you. Were we not, we'd leave (as you should).
How can you so hastily dismiss Lopez's charges that the ref was gambling? Is it because Lopez is a minority?
Let's say for a minute that the ref had money on the fight. I'm not saying he did. I said what if. So IF he had money on the fight and the ref has more control of the fight than anyone unless there's big knockout punch. Don't you think the Puerto Rican ref would have money on the Puerto Rican star over the Mexican fighter? So don't you think he could instead jump in at a moment when Salido was hurt or in trouble and stop the fight, like when Salido was knocked down and in trouble? That's why it's absurd in my opinion.
What is the first fight you remember watching on tv and your first fight live?
My first live fight was Buddy McGirt vs. George Heckley (although I had been to amateur fights before that). First fight I watched on TV I can't say for sure but I recall watching Arguello, Sugar Ray Leonard and Ray Mancini fights as a kid on Saturday afternoons.
Really? A minority question in boxing? Sometimes you boys in this chat make me wonder.
You should see the crap I dont post!
People on here need to chill out, it's just a boxing chat.
The ref may be a gambler. But the bottom line is that he did a flawless job in this fight.
my 14 year old son is a boxer , he worked out at the same gym where mikey garcia trains before he left to puerto rico and i knew mikey was going to win he had this confedent look. mikey and his dad are very nice people they come up to you say hi shake your hand they take time to give my son some pointers.mikeys a class act boxing needs more fighters like him not thugs with gloves.
Totally agree. Mikey is a very good kid, super humble and down to earth.
How much u wanna bet that i don't gamble?
Pay the man, Shirley!
was late turing the fight on...saw it from mid-round 7 on...do I need to watch the rest?
What's the deal with Showtime delaying the fights for the west coast? HBO manages to show WCB live across the country...Showtime should too.
This is the 2nd time in a row that JuanMa complains about an early stoppage in Puerto Rico. He just can't get a fair shake in Puerto Rico. He should demand a third fight in Mexico!
YES!!!! PAY THE MAN, SHIRLEY!!!!!!!!!!!
What was with Showtime doing the voice overs for the first Ortiz/Berto? That just sounded weird?
HBO did the fight so Showtime does not have rights to the audio and wouldn't use it anyway. So they fake it.
Can juanma be disciplined for those comments?
I would hope so, by the Puerto Rican commission, assuming they are untrue.
what is your favorite mexico vs puerto rico match?
Dan- my brother really does't like boxing, but he was over for the fight and he just may have walked away a boxing fan
Epic comment by Jake.
Yes, that was an all-time chat classic.
Donaire vs Salido ?
Not a fight being contemplated. Donaire just got to 122 and has business there for the time being.
Any chance HBO puts the undercard on TV like Showtime has been doing?
I hope HBO does that eventually. HBO has several multiplex channels that show nothing but movie reruns. Should use HBO Zone for the undercards the same way they have used HBO Zone for Fight Day now and other boxing programming before major PPV fights recently.
Call me crazy but Mosely beats Canelo handidly, maybe even by KO ... You heard it here first
Did Salido crack you in the skull also?
You know it's a RAD when someone picks Mosley to knockout Canelo. My god...
LOL! Couple two, three too many cold beverages?
Dan do you think Gamboa is afraid of rios?
No, not at all.
Salido win over Robert Guerrero that was reversed looks even better now, since the way Guerrero was fighting before he hurt his shoulder.if I remember correctley Salido dominated,he is turningout to a pretty tough out for anyone.
He also tested positive for a banned substance.
Dan,How many Freaks do you think are drinking and chatting tonight?
Way too many judging by what is coming into the chat queue. It's scary.
More faded from peak -pwill or Juanma?
Interesting question. I would have to say Williams has dropped more than Lopez. Lopez has always had bad defense and a suspect chin.
Is Salido always as entertaining as he was tonight?
Actually no. He's been in several fights that have not been very good. But his two fights with Lopez were excellent, obviously.
Just came back from watching Andy lee in a mismatch. Good to see Emauel Steward bringing boxing back to Detroit. Lee called out Chavez Jr. that would be a nice fight!
Would be nice but not happening. As for Lee's fight tonight, fought an utter mismatch.
Will Witherspoon/Mitchell be televised? That would be a nice on FNF...
Yes, it opens the April 28 HBO card with BHop-Dawson 2.
any news on jorge linares
He fights March 31 and then, assuming he wins, will face DeMarco in a rematch later in the year (assuming DeMarco also wins his title defense against Miguel Roman).
You must be thrilled about Virgil Hill making a comeback.
When I was with Freddie Roach last week in NYC doing the Epix show, he mentioned to me that Virgil (who was Freddie's first champion) was training in his gym for a comeback (although Freddie is not training him). I was depressed to hear that.
some speculated in Puerto Rico that Tito was comingback to fight? Have you heard anything?
He's not coming back.
Mares/Morel is a mismatch but atleast we get to see Anselmo Moreno on the undercard!!!
Wonderful. Sounds like a good time to take a nap.
Hey Dan, I haven't found anything indicating such officially but do you know if Ortiz Berto II will be in LA on 6.23?
The fight is scheduled for June 23 but nothing official yet on the venue. Richard Schaefer has been talking with the Staples Center folks but he was also out most of last week because he was very ill with the flu, so I dont think anything more got done on that yet.
I just finished watching the fight again and I can not understand how Lopez did not go down earlier... He took a lot of huge punches. If it wasn't for his comments at the end I would have respected him a lot more.
How he fought and what he said are two different things.
Would love to see Rios vs Alvarado, if Gamboa drops out, as you stated Dan, his fight with Prescott was a great fight.I onlyhope they accept him as a replacement. wHAT a fight that would be.
Agreed. That would be my preference if Gamboa is out.
Anything on the schedule for Jose Benavidez?
Not at the moment.
Any chance that Showtime replays tonight's undercard fights from Xtreme?
It's supposed to replay, yes, either late night or in the morning. Probably will also be on demand.
Dan can anything legally be done to the 2 judges that had Lopez winning this fight on their cards? Suspensions, Probation, All out banishment? Something.
Is Chavez Jr scared of "La Maravilla"martinez?
No, but his promoter is.
Regardless of juanmas incoherent insane comments he is to be commended for his courageous effort in this epic battle
Props to Showtime for another great fight. Way to pick them specially with Berto vs. Ortiz their next big fight
Yeah, but dont forget about Mares-Morel and Williams-Ishida.
Dan, your thoughts on a potential Campillo vs. Sillakh fight?
Would be an interesting fight. Sillakh is ready to fight a top guy at 175. He'll be a mandatory most likely so I dont see that fight happening at the moment, but would be a solid fight.
Why do you think Mares/Morel is a bad fight? Morel has been in exciting fights lately. This fight is going to surprise you.
Even if it does it is not worthy of being a Showtime main event. Mares, fine. Not Morel.
Where do you rank my boy Ricky Burns in the lightweight division after his showing against Moses earlier?
Top 5 guy. Good performance from him today.
trinidad or cotto
Ultimate Puerto Rican fantasy fight. Would have loved to see them fight when they were in their prime.
can 2 rounds in 1 fight be nominated 4 roty
Sure, if they're worth it.
Dan, I'm still sitting here with my 8 year old son, who is now a freak, with my mouth open. Can't believe what I just saw. What a fight. This is why boxing is the best sport, and it's not even close I love it!
Dont forget to turn your clocks ahead. It just jumped to 3 am.
DTM - thanks for tweeting the Ricky Burns fight this afternoon. Made for an exciting day of boxing. Who is Burns promoter?
Dan give me some worthy opponents that Sergio Martinez could face?
Macklin (who he fights next week), Golovkin, Andy Lee, Pirog, Geale, to name a few.
So Tarver and Coyote is official now?
No, Tarver-Kayode is.
Dan, what do you think of a potential Rigondeaux vs. Donaire fight and what would your prediction of the outcome be?
Obviously would match two of the top guys at 122, but I dont think that is a fight on the horizon. Donaire has much bigger business with other fights like Arce first. And Top Rank, which promotes both guys, does not seem interested in the fight.
It also could be time for Lopez to move up in weight he looked drained
I dont agree. His chin isn't going to be any better at 130.
I'm still utterly shocked that NOT ONE of the 3 judges had Salido winning that fight.
I am too.
cant see Lopez ever beiing the same fighter again. This was a huge career changer.
Jorge Arce should be the President of the United States.
Clearly alcohol has taken over some of the Freaks.
What was the correct way to score round 6 of the JML vs Salido II? Showtime's judge had it 10-9 for Juanma.
That's legit although I had it 10-8 for Lopez. I can see both scores. 10-9 if you felt Salido so dominated the round before the knockdown. 10-8 if you didnt.
Do you think Lopez could make 122 again? It may be that his power doesn't carry to 126, like Darchinyan's doesn't carry to 118
Dont think so. He already cuts a ton of weight.
Dan, Sad question, but who is Salido's promoter? Just want to think of who he might fight next? Any guesses?
He is with Top Rank and Beltran.
Dano,what % do you give for Broner's next fight to be against Escobedo
Better than 50-50.
Dan, Do you think my fellow Scot Ricky Burns will get a big fight in the U.S anytime soon? Or would he need to leave Warren like Khan did?
I doubt he'll ever be big here. He doesn't fight in the kind of style that will excite Americans too much even though he is a very good fighter.
OK Fight Freaks, thanks for chatting late night! Was a great way to wrap up a great fight night. Hope you all enjoyed the fight. Talk to you again at the regular chat time on Friday. Peace.