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Hi Rich, did the Jets learn nothing 4 years ago? Coples seems like Gholston 2.0
There are some similarities, mostly the questions about passion for the game. The Jets changed Gholston's position, making him a LB. That's not the case here.
Jets make the right selection with their first pick? Should they go offense or defense with in second round tonight or will they trade the pick?
Hard to say if it was the "right" selection. I'd say it was awfully risky. They're gambling on potential greatness. Frankly, I would've stayed away. I'd rather pick an overachiever (like Ingram or DeCastro) than an underachiever.
Rich, A bit of a surprise. Why in the owrld would you take a chance on a player that as a questionable effort and motivation tag. I wouldv'e taken Jones or Ingram or at the very least the safiest pick in DeCastro. Your thoughts?
I agree, Ira. The Jets were fascinated by his size-speed-athleticism. They always think Rex can light fires under these guys. How'd it work with Gholston?
Hi Rich...I realize ROT, WR and Safety are needs right now but I still wish they would look for a home run threat at RB...anyone left on the Jets board that qualifies?
Pead is a playmaker, but he's undersized. I'd be surprised if they go RB in the second round. Martin is a good back, but he's gone. They didn't like Wilson (Giants pick). Too many fumbles. I don't like the kid from Miami. All speed, no production.
Is Coples comparable to Pierre-Paul coming out of college
Not even close, Luke. Coples isn't that kind of athlete. He's more seasoned that JPP, who was raw, but he doesn't have that kind of burst on the edge.
Any chance they draft Janoris Jenkins and move Kyle Wilson to safety? (since he played some safety in college) I don't think any safeties are going to drop to the Jets that are going to be good value... something to think about. Your thoughts?
Jenkins has major baggage. Then again, we all know that doesn't frighten the Jets. Here's something to keep in mind: The Cowboys are shopping CB Jenkins. With Rex/Rob connection, I wonder if they'd look at him as a fourth CB.
Regarding Revis possibly staging another holdout... what do you predict? At what point does he put TEAM first and be the leader that they need need right now? What kind of example does that set for the younger guys? Jenkins called him out on that earlier this week and you have to agree with him. Holding out is a punk move. Ultimate statement of greed.
I can't say for sure if he'll holdout. I don't know if Revis knows the answer, but I can tell you he's not happy with his contract. Yes, Jenkins tagged him pretty good. There are a lot of issues with this contract situation and I think both sides will be dug in.
What are the odds Coples starts this year? Can you see the jets using Coples as a DT when they go to a four-man front?
Absolutely, Joe. In fact, Rex said Coples will slide inside on passing downs. His best production at UNC came inside as a 4-3 DT his jr yr, so he has experience with Cs and Gs. Don't see him starting, but he'll play a lot.
Is Coples effective against the run or will he be a pure pass rusher?
He'd better be effective vs. the run, because he'll be doing a lot of it. When he's in the base, he's gonna be a 3-4 DE -- not a lot of pass-rushing opportunities there. He's a blue-collar job. I wonder if Coples will handle it. It often frustrates DLM that come from a 4-3.
Rich, the Jets HAVE to try and trade up to get Upshaw, don't they? What would they have to give up in order to move up and get him?
The Jets like Upshaw, but as I stated before the draft, there was no way they were going to take him at 16. He'd be great value in the second round.
Rich I posted on your blog that if the Jets go OL in Rd 2 does it indicate they Jets know they made a mistake on Vlad in the second round two years ago? If they do go OL in rd two this year, does this spell the end of Vlad and they will probably cut him.
You're right, Tony. If they draft an OL in the second, it's admitting the Vlad mistake. I don't think they'd cut him. They want to see what he can do after a full off-season program.
How do you feel about Lamar Miller from Miami(FL)? Good fit for the Jets? Do you even think we are looking for a Running back?
He's got speed. Talked to a scout before the draft, told me Miller should've stayed in school. Called him a "run of the mill" RB.
Hey Rich. Refresh my memory. Wasn't there a term in Revis' "bandaid contract" from 2010 contract that had consequences if he were to holdout again?
You are correct, sir. Technically, he signed a seven-year contract that voids to 4 if he doesn't hold out. That means nothing to him. It won't impact his decision on whether to hold out.
I sure hope that the #1 selling point on Coples wasn't a workout with Rex at NC but it sure looks like he fell in love there. Players taken based on combine numbers or pre-draft workouts and not on tape scare me.
He impressed a lot of people at the Sr. Bowl, but that should be a warning, too. It was time for the money drive.
Are you shocked the Jets took Coples instead of Melvin Ingram with their first pick?
A little bit, yes. As I wrote yesterday before the draft, the Jets didn't love Ingram -- but I thought they liked him enough to take at 16.
Rich great work as always. With Coples coming from a 4-3 do you see him having an issue adjusting to a 3-4? and what's your predictions for his rookie year?
There will be an adjustment, no doubt. He will have to do a lot of two-gapping, tying up OLM so the LBs can make the plays. It's often a no-glory position in a 3-4. You wonder how Coples will deal with that.
There are still quality players left for the second round. We need to wheel and deal and pick up a WR and OT who are ready to start in the NFL. We should also try and get Upshaw. I believe picking up, at least the OT and WR, will give us what we need on offence and throwing Upshaw would be a sweet added bonus.
If the Jets can get Upshaw and a WR in the 2nd round, it would be a hell of a day.
Any chance the Jets take Jenkins (CB) and move Cro to fs?
Cromartie isn't moving to FS. You have to tackle to be a FS.
Do you think Coples will take pace's spot with his hand in the ground and have pace take B.Thomas spot as a stand up olb?
I'm not sure of all the specifics at this point, but Coples gives them a lot of versatility with Mo Wilk, Pace and BT. Maybe they play a little more 4-3 than usual.
Hey Rich,Should Tanny look into moving Keller for some picks before he gets greedy after next year (and we can't affor him)? What kind of value could be get for him at this point?
I wouldn't trade Keller. He and Holmes are the only weapons on offense. You could probably get a 2 or a low 1, but who would replace Keller?
The most underrated thought about this pick is the addition of Karl Dunbar as DL coach this offseason. Any thoughts on where the Jets are leaning in the second round (Offense or Defense) and what position. I'm hoping a trade up for Steven Hill or hope Bobby Massie is still around at 15.
Interesting note on Massie: He's repped by Neil Schwartz and Jon Feinsod, Revis' agents. Hmm. Could a 2nd round pick hold out?
If you were in the position as the Jets would you have taken Ingram, Coples, Jones, or DeCastro?
Could question, Matt. I would've taken Ingram. The Jets really liked DeCastro, possibly as a RT. Sparano was pushing for him. Ingram would've been safer than Coples, but the Jets wanted to roll the dice of potential greatness.
Hey Rich, great work. My question us who out of these players do you feel is the best choice for the Jets to pick tonight: Bobby Massie, Jonathan Martin, LaMichael James, Courtney Upshaw, Jeffery, or Mike Adams. Thanks.
Buyer beware on Adams. I like Upshaw, Jeffery and Massie. James is risky.
Dont's get it. Coples is listed high on everyone's draft board, taken before # 16 in most mock drafts.....then the Jets take him at #16 and everyone starts moaning and groaning, well, why was he ranked that high!? we needed a pass rush, we got it.....next need coming up.....plenty of picks!
Thing is, he doesn't solve the pass rushing need. He's going to be a 3-4 DE. Still need an edge rusher.
I'm really disappointed the Jets didn't trade down a few spots, even if they were only going to get a 4th or 5th to go down to San Diego, they could have bundled that pick with their 2nd to target someone of value and need earlier in the 2nd... I don't see how they weren't going to get Coples at around 18-20
The Jets were talking to the Chargers. They could've moved down 2 spots and had their choice of Coples, DeCastro, C. Jones (assuming SD took Ingram at 16).
biggest surprise of round 1 was...
Irvin, no question.
Are you feeling a trade up for Stephen Hill? That's my hunch going into tonight.
good hunch, Billy. The Jets really like this kid.
Hi Rich, I'm no scout, but these stats about Ingram's wing span feel like over analyzation. I feel like the Jets passed up on a huge need and value with Ingram for a 50/50 proposition in Coples. Even if Coples is the next Shaun Ellis, didn't we draft that last year with Wilkerson? I just don't get this pick. I hope I'm wrong. But now if they take pass rush in the 2nd round, you are left with trying to find an O-Lineman, WR and Safety with a 3rd and a bunch of late round picks, which isn't gonna happen. Too many needs to have taken a DE there. Agree?
You make some very good points, Mike. Ingram does have short arms and that worries teams, but he still was productive. One scout told me, "It's the damndest thing" -- he meant Ingram's ability to get to the passer.
Hey Rich, just read a post from Adam Schefter (his Q&A mailbag) where he stated if Bruce Irvin had made it to the middle of the second round, the Jets would have taken him. Can you confirm/refute that? Your thoughts? Saw your list of second round possibilities of 'need'...if you had to pick one of them that they might trade up for, who would it be?
Sure, I could've seen the Jets taking Irvin in the 2nd rnd. He would've been a situational rusher for them. We know they're not scared away by off-the-field stuff...and Irvin has plenty.
When the Jets management said they learned their lessons from the Vernon Gholston incident, I suppose they meant that they wouldn't try to project college DEs to OLBs. The problem I'm concerned with is that the scouting department seems to place more importance on measurables and less on the on-field production. Why is there a focus on these raw "projects" (Gholston, Ducasse, Ellis, Coples) than on talent? I thought THAT was the lesson we learned from Vernon Gholston.
Great observations, Angelo. In recent years, the Jets have been willing to gamble on size/speed guys, putting that ahead of production. Wilkerson, in a sense, fell into that category as well. I'm not saying MW is a bad player, but he fit the prototype for the position and that appealed to the Jets.
Last time I checked the reason Gholston didn't succeed wasn't b/c of his lack of effort but b/c he didn't have the instincts to play OLB. Seems Jets have in fact learned their lesson by not moving Coples there right away. Your thoughts?
With Gholston, it was lack of instincts and stiffness as an athlete. But he also failed as a 3-4 DE and a 4-3 DE (with the Bears). He was just a bad player. You're right, Coples isn't making a position change, but there will be adjustment with the 3-4 front.
hey rich, what food did you eat during the first round of the draft?
Do you really want to know? Had some penne and chicken parm, courtesy of Jets food service. It was wonderful. Speaking of food, when I interviewed Coples Wednesday, he said he was very impressed with the food at the Jets' facility during his pre-draft visit. Whatever that's worth.
Last year at this time, Rex said Wilkerson was like Trevor Pryce. Now, Wilkerson's been upgrade to Richard Seymour and Coples is Trevor Pryce. Is Rex's overhyping of his own guys gonna bite him again?
All they need is Ray Lewis, Tom Brady and Calvin Johnson, and then we're talking.
Rich, What was the Jets reason for passing on Ingram ? How much is Mo Wilkerson's recommendation. Sanchez recommended McKnight.
I can't imagine that Mo Wilk's endorsement carried a lot of weight -- at least I would hope not. I mean, no harm is asking, but ...
Rich -from the outside looking in, between free-agency, and the draft (and, yes, I know it's still early) but, I see the gap between the Patriots and Jets even greater now, than of last year. I loved the approach the Patriots took on both, free agency and the draft. what are your thoughts? Thanks
I agree, but I don't love the Chandler Jones move -- assuming they play him at OLB. I just don't think he has the explosiveness to be a great pass rusher in that role. If they use him as a 4-3 DE he'd be better.
Were the Jets really not high on Ingram? Was there something they knew that others didnt?
I was told by someone in the organization they liked Ingram, didn't love him. Would've taken him at 16, but wouldn't have felt real good about it.
Is there any truth to the rumors that the NY Jets VP of Scouting is going to quit because Rex made them pick Coples?
I reported a few days ago that Joey Clinkscales is likely to leave for the Raiders after the draft.
Is the ESPN NY war room your living room or den?
Hotel room...and later the Jets press room.
Rich, In rd 2 i think they can go Hill or Massie and IIloka in rd 3. What do you think?
The Jets would be ecstatic with Hill. I had Iloka in my mock for the third round. We'll see.
I actually like the Coples pick. There is a difference between picking at 16 and 6 - if the players don't have some kind of warts they wouldn't be there.
You're right. Every player has warts, even some of the top guys.
I know everyone here in Jets land is focusing on Coples and his lack of drive last season at UNC, but talking with Tar Heel fans it sounds like it was the whole program that slacked last season. Doesn't that say more about the nurture and not the nature so to speak?
Excellent point, Lee. I raised this question in my column. Coples apparently got fed up with the mess and mailed it in. I'm sure it was a tough situation, but when the going gets tough ...
Hey Rich, great work as always. I have to be honest with you, I'm not in love with this pick because my guy David DeCastro was there. My questions are 1) Was DeCastro even considered and 2) Does this spell the end for Mike DeVito. Thanks.
DeCastro was considered. Sparano was lobbying, I'm told. I also was told the Jets would've tried him at RT. The Jets say DeVito is staying. He's entering the final year of his contract, due to make $2M+ -- affordable. It would be a mistake to dump him.
I thought in the 3-4 defense, OLB were supposed to get sacks not the DE's
chance Jets shop Revis if he holds out? don't want to go through round 2 of this and Revis isn't being the leader that he should be on this team
You sound like Kris Jenkins.
Hi Rich, I think I'd feel a lot better about the Coples pick if the Jets moved up and tried to get Upshaw. Does that make sense and do you think they'd do it? I can't believe he fell to the second round after so much hype.
I'm not surprised he fell, but I agree with you, I think he'd be a great value. The man can play. He's not the fastest guy, but he's powerful, tough and plays big in big games.
I know some fans are think that Jones or Ingram would have been better fits but the fact remains that Coples was more productive than both. That has to count for something, no?
Technically, Ingram had better numbers than Coples.
Rich, Funny how the Pats flew up and took Jones your boy from Syracuse. Please explain to me how they are trying to sell Coples as a pass rusher at DE in a 3-4 when everybody knows the pressure comes from the OLB's?
I can't explain that, Ira. Coples will be a 6/8 sack a year guy ... if he's as good as they think he is. No 3-4 DE gets a dozen sacks. It's rare.
Do the Jets like any of the undersized speeding LBs that should go in Rd 2. Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner, Zach Brown, Mychal Kendricks?
The Jets don't like undersized LBs -- not that early. Maybe later, when they can be special teamers.
Why are they picking up Tebow? How are they gonna use him
Tebow? Who's he?
Trying to mock the 2nd round this morning I've come up with 3 prospects that could be available still if they stay put at 47, Amini Silatolu, Janoris Jenkins, and Mohamed Sanu. Who do you think they would take out of those 3? Lamar Miller was still on the board but like you I dont believe in this guy...
I'd stay away from Jenkins. Sanu is a poss WR, better in the third round. Silatolu would be interesting.
Do the Jets have any interest in Randle and Hill. Both WRs are fast and are good run blocking WRs. I would love for the Jets to get Sanchez some fast WRs so we can finally determine if this is his ceiling.
Either one would be a good pick at 47.
Chances Jets draft Nick Toon in 3rd round?
It would be fun to hear the crowd chant "Toooon!" I get nostalgic sometimes.
I find it ironic that the Jets took the best player available on their board, regardless of position, and are getting killed for it here. Yet the Giants who preach BPA reached on a need position at pick 32. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. Let the players play!
Not a bad point, Vinny. I thought the Giants reached for Wilson, but I guess they get the benefit of the doubt because they're champs.
I'm out of time, folks. Thanks for the insightful questions. Gonna be another interesting day...and a long one. Stay tuned to ESPN NY for all the draft coverage. Take care. Rich