Yeah. Fire away.
So who do you expect the real 2011 Giants really were. The team that could play with anyone the last 6 weeks of the season, or the middling team of the first 14 weeks? Do you think the VERY injured Giants simply played BELOW their ceiling during the regular season?
I don't see why it can't be both. I think they're a team that's extremely strong in some areas, including toughness, smarts and veteran leadership. They had JUST ENOUGH to get to the playoffs, and once they did, that stuff (along with their excellent QB and pass rush) paid off.
I feel for you Dan. Five minutes before your chat, the news breaks that the arbitrator denied the Skins' and Cowboys' appeal on the cap penalty. Let me be the first to ask: WHAT THE #%&*???
Yeah. I think we're going to have to cut this a bit short today. Maybe 12:45 or so. Going to have to write on that insanity.
Given the ridiculous decision in the arbitration case against the Skins and Cowboys, what is next logical move? You know Snyder and Jones will not let this go away, nor they should.
My understanding was that the two sides agreed to arbitration on the condition that they'd abide by whatever the ruling was. Maybe I was wrong. I am just finding out that there was a decision, so I don't yet know what the next step may or may not be.
The cap penalty appeal was denied.... Why would Burbank not even hear the case? I mean it has to be becasue of a jurisdiction issue, right?
Well, NFL argued to dismiss the case, and apparently that argument persuaded him. I think part of their argument was that the NFLPA agreed with the sanction. Of course, they only did that because the league threatened to reduce the salary cap if they didn't. It's the NFL owners' world, Andrew. Everyone else is just supposed to count themselves lucky to live in it.
Dan, you seem to be commenting a lot on the "insanity", but do you have any evidence outside of what's been reported? Because that matters when making the decision as an arbitrator. You seem to be making a complete judgement with incomplete evidence.
I don't think there are many people who've done more reporting on this than I have. I feel pretty confident about the amount of information I have on which to base my opinion. But thanks.
Also, only one "e" in "judgment." You seem to be typing with an incomplete understanding of how to spell.
My feeling on Burbank's decision is that he's basically cemented Goodell as the dictator of the NFL. What he says goes.
Make sure and place your blame correctly. Goodell isn't the driving force behind these sanctions. It's the other owners (at whose pleasure Goodell serves) that wanted the Redskins and Cowboys penalized.
Are the Eagles really satisfied with their safeties? Kurt Coleman might be one of the worst secondary players in the league.
They are not "satisfied" in the sense that they're happy with the way their safeties have played. They believe Nate Allen will be good, and they have high hopes for Jarrett. So not satisfied, but they think the guys they have there are and will play better than they've shown.
There's more to this than the facts, there's how the law applies. Do you really think you've got a better understanding of that than Burbank?
Well, no, but come on. This isn't about "the law." This is about the way NFL owners apply spending rules to each other -- specifically about the way they applied them when there were none spelled out. It's extremely nebulous, which is the problem with it. This case wasn't heard in a court of law.
OK, with the news of the arbitrator's verdict- time to move on to what the teams do. Being a Redskin fan, I am wondering if they will have to release players in order to sign their remaining rookies including RG3.
No. My understanding is that they already applied this year's penalty and were proceeding under the assumption that it would not be lifted.
ok... on another note (you should write your blog entry before we all bombard you, or maybe you can use those questions to guide your entry?) IF moss sticks around as a 'Skin, where would he line up? Garcon and Hankerson starting and Morgan in the slot is the projection. How would he find time and would he be satisfied with being the 4th option?
Moss will have to show an ability to perform in that slot role in order to stick. Those other guys are going to be ahead of him in line for those outside spots.
You keep saying its not Goodells thought but doesnt this ruling seem like he can make "rules" on the fly
Again, I'm not trying to let Goodell off the hook here. He makes up plenty of rules as he goes along. But in this specific case, my understanding is that he was planning to leave it alone, and that the push came from Mara and the other owners.
Still beating that dead horse, huh Dan? 30 other teams and owners did not try to gain a competitive advantage the way the Reskins and Cowboys did. They gambled, they lost. And they have such a weak legal case that the arbitrator denied their appeal. They thought they were smarter than everyone else, and they found out they were wrong. Let it go.
Joe, it's news. It's May 22. I'm supposed to not comment on actual news when it happens?
who has the most talented roster in the nfc east ?
The Eagles. But that was true last year too, so it doesn't mean much.
Mike Jenkins has all but demanded a trade. Should they Cowboys honor his wish (as I believe he will become a big distraction). If so, who would some suitors be and what could they get for him. PS - Please don't correct any spelling mistakes. I yield to your excellence.
They will not and should not honor his wish. He has no leverage, and they will and should wait the situation out and expect that he'll ultimately show up and play.
What potential flaws do you see on the Giants defense? The secondary, almost by virtue of health alone should be better. The MLB will be more experienced, and Marvin Austin/Shaun Rogers should be an upgrade over Bernard/Kennedy. The loss of Tollefson will hurt though. They should absolutely improve on 2011 wouldnt you think?
OK, but how sure are you that the guys in the secondary are healthy? And who is this more experienced MLB of whom you speak? Does he have a name? I don't think they signed Rogers with the expectation that he'll play a major role at his age -- rather as a hedge against Austin's health early on. I am willing to give the Giants the benefit of the doubt, because their record of solving their problems with internal solutions demands it. But they do have question marks.
WHo are the Redskins starting receivers? Who will be the Giants starting corners? Please answer Dan. If not I'm gonna put the word out in Detroit that you don't like us?
I don't respond to threats.
Courts and laws aside, which scenario do you think is worse, 2 renegade teams backing out of an agreement between all 32 teams and not being penalized for it, or the situation that has played out. I struggle with that one.
I think the whole situation is shady, and I think it's unfortunate that 30 greedy billionaires get to penalize two greedy billionaires and hold them out as somehow shadier than the rest of them when they are not.
You have a real maturity issue. Also, spelling judgement with the extra "e" is an accepted spelling in the United Kingdom where I was born.
I have a maturity issue? You're a football fan!
Do the Giants have anyone that might develop into a dependable LT on the roster? I know there's a few, but are they really viable?
The Giants are of the belief that not only can Beatty develop into that, but that he's capable of being it in 2012.
Cowboys and Redskins did not violate anti-trust laws. The other 30 teams did. However, the party with the best standing to make this case is the NFLPA, but they were pressured by the NFL to not puruse this.
Correct. The owners played this one extremely well, strong-arming the union to their side before acting. No one ever said they were dumb.
Why do you keep mentioning "Mara" and other owners? It's just all owners. Wash & Dallas were being shady and got what they deserved. Enough about this crap!
I mention Mara because he's the chairman of the committee that issued the sanctions, and because he has spoken out strenuously in favor of them. And because my reporting has revealed to me that he was the one spearheading the effort to institute them.
Careful Dan, football fans are the reason you have a job.
Hey, that's fine, and I appreciate that. But while there's nothing wrong with being a football fan, I'm sure most of you would agree that it's not the most "mature" thing in the world to be. That is, as I understand it, part of its appeal.
"In Great Britain and many of its former colonies, ?judgement? is still the correct spelling, but ever since Noah Webster decreed the first E superfluous, Americans have omitted it."Maybe he's British. It's like "theatre" or "theater"
I guess they could still call the state I live in a colony if they really wanted to. Wouldn't make it correct.
Guess what, owners are going to start filing grievances against owners who spend a lot in free agency now. NFLPA blew this one.
There is no question the NFLPA looks very bad on this one. They took the wrong side, whether they were forced into it or not.
It's getting hostile in here today! You should break the tension with a Game of Thrones reference.
The chat is dark, and full of terrors.
How was there not a conflict of interest when Mara was the chair and the two main penalized teams were in his division?
As I have written many times, there's no direct evidence to support a conflict of interest. But there is an APPEARANCE of a conflict, and for that reason I believe it would have been wiser for Mara to be less public about his own role in this.
What up dan, long time no see. What have you heard about deon grant and do you think losing him would be a big loss to the giants?
Grant's an interesting case. They clearly like having him around but don't intend to overextend themselves to do so. They waited a long time for him to come back to them last year, and my guess is they'd be open to his return again if he wanted to come back for the veteran minimum. If he's not back, I know Kenny Phillips in particular will miss him. He credits Grant for a lot of his own development over the past couple of years.
I think what VakAttack is alluding to is that sometimes you are a tad condescending in these chats, which is the reason why i usually do not normally partake. But on a day like today, I would rather be mildly offended than stare blankly into my computer. Olay!
I think it's important for people to know it's not personal, from my end at least. But when I am attacked, I sometimes do enjoy firing back. Call it a release. You guys go to football games and yell, I get condescending in chats. Potato, po-tah-to.
Dan, you're going to want to walk the "mature" thing back. You can try to justify it, but you used it in retaliation (pejoratively) and thereby pretty much insulted any one who likes professional football as having a character flaw. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt it wasn't intended, but it's what came out.
If you say so. But it was his word, not mine. And I think I've made my position clear. Everyone's welcome to read things into what I write if that's what they want, but I write an awful lot, and I feel like I leave little doubt as to what I actually mean.
I think Vak and Simpson are just saying, "Agree with me or youre wrong!!"
That sums up about 76 percent of the feedback I get.
This is the deepest the Giants CB stable has been in years, pending more injury, and even with Ross gone. I know there's not a lot of evidence, but do you think Prince can beat out Thomas? I vote no, but...
I think the only way Prince "beats out" Thomas to start the season is if Thomas isn't fully healthy. Amukamara showed last year that he still had a lot to learn at the pro level, and due to his preseason injury he only had half a year in which to learn it. Remember, the Giants believe in development. They won't rush him.
And the NFL Owners would like us to believe that collusion has nothing do to with RFAs like Wallace not gettting any offers.
They'd like you to believe a lot of things.
Well pineapple, how goes it? If this question sees the light of day on the Beast Chat, it will be a surprise. Anyways, leaguea??s owners poised to make hip, thigh, and knee pads mandatory for 2013 and the NFLPA plans to file a grievance challenging the change. Is this residual from the recent ruling or do you feel the NFLPA has a valid point of contention that a unilateral change in the equipment requirements constitutes an adjustment to working conditions, for which bargaining would be required?
Surprise! I think the NFL is positioning itself as "proactive" because of all of the outside forces lining up to attack it on safety grounds. That includes the many, many lawsuits. The more the league can do to enable itself to say, in front of a judge, "Hey, we were ahead of the game on this!", the better it believes it will be in the long run. So yes, they're unilaterally imposing rules and forcing the players to fight them and look like the bad guy obstructionists. It's all about the image.
Why does everybody down play Michael Vick, hes one of the most polarizing players in the NFL today, Why everybody gotta hate??
Might want to google him. There's some stuff in his past that left some hard feelings with some folks.
Is it just me or does it just seem like the NFLPA always seem a little out of their element when trying to fight any policy that the NFL dictates...
No, I actually think the NFLPA did quite well in the labor negotiations and has more than held its own under the current leadership. On the cap penalties, though, they were clearly outmaneuvered.
How much did you laugh when you saw Osi's tweets/ pledge about LT's ring?
Ridiculous, right? Guy was at like 15,000 followers and thought he could get to 500,000 in 13 hours. He's Kim Kardashian now?
Considering the other legal issues (safety) surrounding the NFL...do you see it as a smart move for them to risk fracturing ownership solidarity and rile up two of their biggest guns in this manner?
I don't think the other 30 owners worry too much about "riling up" Jones and Snyder. They're kind of "outsiders" to begin with. Doubt this alters the dynamic very much.
Didnt Osi originally say he wanted to get to 1,000,000, not 500,000?
Yes. Originally. He's a funny fellow, that Osi.
Who's more important to their team this season?Hankerson-Skins?Claiborne-Boys?Bell-Eagles?Prince-Giants?
Bell, then Claiborne.
Dan, given the decision made by the arbitorator, are you noticing an abnormally high chatter count today?
You're No. 407. Maybe a bit high for the first half of a May chat, but nothing that strikes me as terribly unusual.
Does King Dunlap have a future with the Eagles? I think you have an opinion, at least on Demetruss.
They like Dunlap as a backup tackle, which every team needs. That's also a position that makes a guy a year-to-year guy. I don't think he's projected as a starter, though sometimes players do graduate into that role.
Are the Giants goign to get any respect this year, or will everyone still be picking Philly or even Dallas in the NFC East? Along with the Saints, GB, etc..?
No, I just got back from the annual football media convention, where we all decide how we're all going to feel about every team and player, and the decision this year was that we all hate the Giants and will refuse to respect them. I think we're actually prohibited from mentioning that they won the Super Bowl, but I have to check the rules. Congrats. You got us.
My opinion is that Newton has set an unrealistic expectation of QBs similar to that of RGIII. I think he's going to be a great QB but I'm worried that any struggles are going to bring these unfair comparisons to Newton last year. Do you believe that RGIII and the Skins coaching staff are prepared to handle the media barrage , even if it's unfair?
I think you may be right, Clay, although I think part of the problem is the assumption that Griffin and Newton are similar players. I don't think they are.
Tony Romo has a reputation for being a choker, i.e. costing his team wins. What would happen if somebody went through the game tapes and compiled a list of choking vs clutch moments in his career?
They would find that theory more difficult to support.
To John in NY - are you REALLY going to play the respect card while your team possesses the Super Bowl? Who gives a rats behind as to how they are predicted to finish in 2012? Your team is the defending champs and 2 in the last 5 years. Those of us Rams fans want to place the respect card of yours in a very uncomfortable place for you.
Preach it, Paul of Albany.
If you had to predict another QB's rookie campaign that RG3s will resemble...who would it be?
Hey Dan, then how do you explain romo's 1-3 playoff record and his bad performances in the playoffs? romo is living proof nice stats in the regular season don't translate into clutch playoff performances.
I mean, it's three losses. One of them, they had the game won and he botched a field goal snap, which has somehow become something people can use to criticize his quarterback play. In another, they got manhandled by an outstanding Vikings defense and a better team playing at home coming off a bye week. In the other, Romo played terribly against the Giants. Those who want to judge on three games can feel free. I'd rather pick the larger sample size.
To Dr. The King of Dallas - there are 21 other players on the field that impact those losses as well.
And there's that. But in the Romo discussion, this is almost always ignored.
Are the 'Skins confident that Tim Hightower is 100% recovered or does the 1 year contract he signed think his injury will lag into the season?
Not confident, which is why he wasn't signed sooner. I'm sure the contract makes team-friendly allowances in case he's limited or unable to play. NFL contracts work that way.
Am I crazy for not worrying that much about the loss of jacobs? Jacobs averaged less then 4 yards a carry and was the 44th best rb in the league after contact, which a rb taken in the first round should be able to beat. Granted our line didn't help things, but I still think our rb situation has gotten better
I wouldn't call you "crazy," but Jacobs had 40 percent of the carries last year, and I don't think he was as bad as everybody says. Regardless, they do have to make up those carries, and if Bradshaw isn't healthy enough to pick up a big chunk of them, they have a bunch of unknown quantities at the position.
This isn't college football. What you do in the regular season doesn't get you into the Super Bowl. There is a four game sample size in the playoffs, and the results are clear that just because he has nice stats in the regular season, his level of play doesn't rise up to championship caliber.
I understand your point, but again, three games. If he plays three playoff games this year and wins them all, does that even it up? Does it wipe away the three games? Does it somehow mean he's all of a sudden a better player? Or does it just mean he had three really good games at the right time of year?
The size and way McCoy runs makes him somewhat susceptible to injury, just like Bradshaw. If he goes down, how much water do the Eagles take on?
The Eagles have enough in the passing game to score points if McCoy were to get hurt, but there's no question they'd struggle. He's a special guy. There's no team in the league that could lose a player like McCoy and not feel it.
It would probably be a combination of all three. But if I had a farm, I'd wager that doesn't happen.
Well, you're braver than I am, if you'd bet something of substance on the outcome of a football game. I mean, look at it this way: That Giants-49ers title game this year couldn't have been any closer. If the 49ers had won it -- say, for example, the Giants had been the team to turn it over on special teams instead of the Niners -- would that have made Alex Smith a better QB than Eli Manning? I don't think so.
Please acknowledge Romo failing to beat the Giants in a clutch performance in Week 17 of 2011.
Sure. Acknowledged. But to me, the enduring images of that game are a scoreboard that said 21-0 in the first half and of Giants fullbacks jumping over Cowboys cornerbacks. I don't see how that game's on Romo. Sorry, I just don't. The Jets game? Yeah. The Lions game? Absolutely. Not either Giants game.
Hopefully last question - are the 49ers stacked this year, or what? Playmakers at ALMOST every position.
Yeah. They were last year too. Went 13-3 and made it to overtime in the conference title game.
Dan, your breakout Cowboy this season? Geathers? Carter? Spencer? Hatcher? Dez? Ogletree?
Oh, Dez. Easy one.
What NFC East rookie will have the biggest impact?
Well, Griffin in D.C. He provides a quarterback where previously there was none. There's no impact to compete with that.
Chat sucks as usual today!Can we repeat more questions that keep getting asked in different ways?!?!?!Goodbye forever chat!
Goodbye forever, Steve!
Does Winslow to the Eagles make some sense? I think so.
No, the Seahawks acquired him last night.
What days do you do the chat w/ the fewest amount of people posting? I would like to get a question answered.
Does this count?
Can I ask you a question?
Does David Wilson have a chance to be offensive rookie of the year?
Hm. I think for that to happen, Bradshaw would have to get injured almost right away and Wilson would have to emerge as one of the best running backs in the league, and do so in a pass-first offense. I can't say he doesn't have a chance, but I don't think the odds are in his favor.
Last year many would say the Eagles won the offseason. Didn't really turn out how everyone hoped. This year the Eagles took a different approach, yet basically crushed the offseason. Would you agree?
Yes, and once again we await the results.
I actually have to agree with Steve (TROY, NY)...you answer most of these questions in your posts and answers within the chat. Im not gonna say goodbye forever...but i would like to actually have some different questions answered. No hard feelings ok...
Well, I can't make up the questions, Jeff.
Favorite player to watch in NFC East?
LeSean McCoy or Hakeem Nicks. I'll say McCoy, but not by much. In 2010 it was Vick, hands-down.
In this division, probably London Fletcher.
I actually Love that you are not a football fan. Makes you more objective. So, does Cooley overtake Davis this year to get his job back?
No, but it's not like that. Davis is the better receiving threat. Cooley has a role, if healthy, and Shanahan loves being able to have them on the field at the same time. I see their two jobs as different jobs.
Boys and Skins appeal denied. what happens next?
I leave the chat five minutes early so I can go do a post about it. Good night, Portland!