Greetings Fight Freaks and welcome to the weekly boxing chat. Not a lot this weekend but we have a good FNF tonight with Hanky Lundy vs Ray Beltran and there's a Showtime card tomorrow that I'm interested in with Robert Guerrero moving up to welterweight to fight Aydin. And then there's the news about Mayweather and 50 Cent teaming up. Plus there are plenty of news stories and blogs for the week, so let's get to it.
What other fights are on the Martinez vs Chavez undercard?
It's not done yet. If Top Rank re-signs Rigondeaux, he will probably be on. There's a chance lightweight tilist Miguel Vazquez will defend on the card and DiBella will put on Matt Macklin. There was some discussion that Mike Alvarado would be on but that may not happen as he is in position to fight for a 140 belt in the event Peterson is stripped. So they are waiting to see what happens. So in short, nothing is finalized yet.
Anys news on Mike Alvarado next fight?
Dan, how much is Goldenboy sweating about possibly losing out on being able to promote Floyd anymore once he gets out? I know they will survive without Floyd but I am sure they would hate to lose him while he's still an active fighter.
I dont think they are "sweating" it. I'm sure they'd be disappointed but they did a great job for Floyd. Floyd, of course, is entitled to pursue whatever he wants since he is not contractually obligated to anyone. And, also, there is no reason why 50 Cent and GB couldn't work together in some fashion.
Can Adrien Broner even make 135 without killing himself?
He did make 133.5 for the Escobedo fight, so yes.
Dan, what can we expect from Shawn Porter tomorrow night? The Moseley comparisons are pretty high praise.
Porter is a good prospect but he aint no Mosley.
DTM, any word on the fourth bout for the Canelo undercard?
What do you think of rapper 50 cent becoming a boxing promoter ? Is it good or bad for the sport in your opinion ?
If he puts on shows and operates professionally, I think it's great for boxing. He is a known figure, brings his own fans and can inject some excitement. If he's in it only to be involved with Mayweather fights then it's not so good. But he is signing Dirrell and Gamboa too, so hopefully he'll be doing more boxing business than just Mayweather bouts.
Are there any Olympic boxers that you are particularly high on? How much do you pay attention to Olympic boxing?
I will pay close attention. Coverage on CNBC begins Saturday morning and I will be watching. Lomachenko, of course, is one of the guys to watch. He is a great amateur. And I am also interested in seeing how the American kids perform.
So all I need is a successful rap career to be a boxing promoter? Let me get right on that.
Will Al Haymon or Leonard Ellerbe be a part of TMT Promotions?
Remains to be seen. Here's a piece I wrote yesterday with comments from Ellerbe: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8202083/rapper-50-cent-poised-floyd-mayweather-promoter
Do you agree with Stephen A Smith that 50cent is best person to hopefully convince Floyd to agree to 50/50 and fight Pacquaio?
I haven't heard Stephen A. say that but Floyd and 50 are tight and I would think anything 50 says Floyd would at least respect the opinion.
DGBP; (or D? what's the official currency for the Olympics?, besides VISA?) It's almost time for Vasyl Lomechenko...
What's your pick for Guerrero-Aydin?
I like Guerrero. I think he'll be OK at 147 and he has a chip on his shoulder with something to prove. He'll be faster as well. I think he wins a decision.
Will it be mandatory for every TMT Promotions fighter to have a ringwalk to a 50 cent song?
I dont think so.
If Broner fights Rios, there should be no weight limit?
Pay the man, Shirley.
Here's my feature on Guerrero: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8205072/robert-guerrero-making-bold-move-147-pounds
If the Stevenson-George fight goes on without Pascal-Cloud, would it still be in Montreal? Any chance it comes to Chicago with George being from here and Stevenson training close by?
Yes, it would still be in Montreal.
any word on how many people broner drew last weekend ?
I think about 4,000ish.
Dan, I believe HBO picking up Vitali-Charr is a direct result -- and maybe a premptive move -- from EPIX recent success with the Klitschkos and their HW division coverage in general.
It could be but I also know HBO wants to really make Sept. 8 special. They want a huge audience for Ward-Dawson, which they are spending a lot of money and marketing on. Adding a heavyweight title fight with Klitschko will bring additional attention to the telecast and the Klitschkos have always done good ratings for HBO. In addition, HBO also has the US rights to show the Klitschko documentary, so that is also part of the reason it picked up the fight. I believe the docu will debut on HBO that night.
Future headline: "Finally! Fitty fosters 50-50 fight for Floyd, Filipino"
dan I heard malinaggi may face cano on morales vs Garcia II where you surprised they never considered dulorme considering he is puertorican and will probably help with tickets sales and is probably a better fight
Dulorme is an unproven fighter who is only a prospect right now. Not even close to a big fight or meaningful fight at this point.
Dan, your opinion on the assertation that Pascal was avoiding Cloud.
I dont buy it at all.
Did Jose Luis Castillio show anything for you the other night to show that he can be a contender again?
No. He showed he can beat limited opposition.
Why Lomachenko and Cammarelle never turned pro are mysteries to me. Dan, are these guys really "amateurs?"
Cant speak for why Cammarelle didnt turn pro. I believe he is a police officer in Italy. Lomachenko wanted to win a 2012 gold and was paid to remain amateur by his country's federation. Go figure -- being paid to stay amateur. Anyway, after the London Games are over I am told he will pursue a pro career.
What up Dan, it will be only a matter of time before Broner gets exposed, the guy hasn't proved anything by fighting a bunch bums and the 2 fights that were live, he was given a decision vs Ponce and didnt even bother to make weight vs Escobedo, the guy is ridicoulus.
The guy can also fight.
Dan-O-Mite: You are approaching 100,000 followers on Twitter. Can we get a door prize if us freaks do a little #FF action and try to get you there soon?
Depends what you want the prize to be!
So with 50 Cent signing Dirrell, I guess it is safe to assume that Dirrell finally was able to remember the name of his doctor?
Pay the man, Shirley!
When do you expect we'll find out if Pacman is fighting Marquez or Bradley?
I think Arum and Pacquiao will hash it out sometime in late August.
Which is the best USA Olympic boxing team: 1976, 1984 or 1996?
I've always been partial to 84 although those who disagree say they didn't have to face Cubans or Soviets because of the boycott. But they both produced all-time greats like SRL and Michael Spinks in 1976 and Holyfield and Pernell in 1984 (not to mention Meldrick Taylor, who was very special for a period of time, and Virgil Hill, a borderline HOFer). 1996 was a good team with Mayweather as the class of it. But there was also Tarver and Vargas. But I still rate it below 84 and 76.
A lot of the Fight Freaks seemed to like the pix I tweeted of some of my boxing cards. Here's another one I tweeted the other day: http://twitpic.com/abmbri
If people thought Vegas judge scoring was bad, just wait until they see Olympic judge scoring...
Boxing fans should not fret over August cancellations and instead focus on Olympic boxing -- that's where much of the future of our sport rests.
For those who want to watch, there will be comprehensive TV coverage of the boxing tourney on CNBC. Live coverage begins Saturday morning at 8:30 am. There will be at least a 3-hour block every day. There will also be other bouts on Telemundo (in Spanish). Go here for the schedule: http://www.nbcolympics.com/boxing/index.html
Hey Dan, from my understanding 50's licience is just for the NY area?
He was licensed in NY a week or so ago. He is in the application process in Nevada. One state at a time.
A certain Irish friend that lives in VA theorizes that Donaire/Arce will be here in San Antonio in fall. Can you confirm or deny any rumblings about that fight?
Good chance it will be in San Antonio.
If Jose Benavidez Jr. was still an amateur, would he likely be considered the favorite to win gold in his weight class?
Any thoughts on Raw 1000?
I hope there are 1,000 more!
Danlympian, what will happen first, PacMan v 01363917 (Floyd's inmate #) or Deontay Wilder facing a tough opponent?
DTM, rumor is Froch is conisdering Pavlik for his interim bout before the Bute rematch. I hope it's true cause it would damn sure be entertaining. Do you think theres any possibility to this or just wishfull thinking?
You never know but I very much doubt that fight will happen as Froch's interim bout.
not that i agree or disagree but whats your reasoning for putting gamboa on your p4p list and not adrien broner? I think broner should be top 10 and you dont have him in your top 20
Gamboa has beaten better opponents overall.
Danph Ziggler, noticed Aaron Pryor in the ring before Broner fight, what's going on with him.
Pryor is a Cinci legend and Broner is from Cinci and idolizes Pryor. They are friendly.
Just wanted to congratulate Ken Hershman on the pathetic card he allowed to be televised thanks to a certain someone's sway. Nice to know he is picking up where Russ Greenberg left off: in the palm of Haymon's hand!
Hey Dan, did tickets go on sale for Canelo vs. Lopez fight yet? Any word of pricing???
They are on sale. I do not recall the prices but I know there were $25 tix.
How was KISS ?
KISS was great!!! (So was Crue). Mrs. DTM and I got to meet the band before the show and have our pictures taken with them. It was great. She made a big printout of the photo and framed it for me with our tickets and VIP wristbands and I am going to hang it up in my office. Great show and great to meet the band.
I thought it was funny hearing the HBO broadcast crew trying to hype this Thurman character.
I didnt think it was funny. It was actully quit vomit inducing.
Dan, in your opinion, the most boisterous, exuberant boxing fans in the world come from...?
England. Hands down.
what are your thoughts on seeing Ichiro in pinstripes?
Dan, are you as pumped up for the Hammerin Hank Lundy vs. Beltran fight as I am. How do you see that one going?
I dont know if I am "pumped" but I have liked watching Lundy's recent fights. I think it's a solid match. Lundy had a lot of trouble making weight yesterday. I'll be interested to see if it has any impact on his performance tonight.
So what's next for James Kirkland after his graduation from Winky Wright's School of Negotions?
Feel like I heard that EVERY olympic boxing match would be viewable online is that true or no?
NBC's website will have streams of everything I think plus the live coverage on television.
I heard rumors that Khan may dump Roach any truth ?
It's possible they may split but nothing has been decided in that regard yet.
Who did the boxing gods upset to give us Bute vs. Grachev?
I'm not sure what you mean but that is a very solid fight for Bute coming off a KO loss.
While most of us in the 206 would never root for the Yankees, if Ichiro gets a ring out of the deal, we'll be fine with it. Everyone knows it won't happen here anytime soon.
Dan, is TMT Promotions going to be a full scale outfit like Golden Boy/Top Rank, or is it going to be something smaller like Mayweather Promotions? And what will happen to Mayweather Promotions anyway?
All remains to be seen.
Now that I think about it why in the world was Thurman even given a Max interview, HBO never did that on Bad undercards unless maybe it was a known fighter. Damn HBO, they getting played like suckers.
I assume he was interviewed because the fight went short and there was time to kill before the main event.
Thurman in no way shape or form deserved to be on hbo, and his opponent was weak at best, but lets not blame the kid. He actually looks like a pretty legit prospect to me and is a hard hitting entertaining fighter. Exact type of guy Id love to see on ESPN, SHObox and Show Extreme bouts.
I agree. Shouldn't have been on HBO. Shoulda been on those other more developmental platforms first.
The state of boxing on premium television programming today: the Haymon Boxing Organization (HBO) and Stephen's Haymon Operation (SHO). Enough said. Sick of this crap.
Dang. Tell us how you really feel.
Is Edison Miranda officially an opponent now with a good name ?
Yes, he has been for awhile. Now he'll lend his name to Tony Bellew's resume.
any truth to the rumors about Victor Ortiz dumping Danny Garcia as his trainer?
Will Francisco Sierra be a good test for Groves? Heard he can bang a bit
He can and it's a legit fight.
News on Joel Julio?
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Love Child.
Doesn't Showtimes announcement of the Olympic deal with GBP bf the games even start give GBP an unfair advantage over other promoters in signing talent? Isn't Showtime being disingenious when they say they are not playing favorites?
I wont say it is "unfair" but it is an advantage. Any promoter would do the same thing if they could. GB has the leverage and they use every ounce of it. I'd do the same thing.
Dan, it looks like Ticketmaster is selling tickets for a multi-day event for Top Rank in Vegas on August 3 & 4. What on Earth is this?
Top Rank has the ESPN2 show on Aug. 3 and the Telefutura show on Aug. 4. Both are taking place at the same venue in Vegas so fans can buy tix to get into both shows.
Any word of who will be on the undercard for Deontay wilder vs kerston manswell next weekend?
I'm not sure yet as I have not gotten a bout sheet yet for the show.
Dan, I'm going to the Guerrero Fight tomorrow. Any idea on expected turnout? Still good seats available.
Have fun. I have no idea about the expectations for that show but Robert is from the area so hopefully it will sell well.
Have you ever had a conversation with Richard Schaffer about DLH and his Twitter nonsense? I feel Schaffer should tell DLH to get off twitter or at least give it a day before posting.
I joked with Richard a few months ago when he signed a contract extension to remain the GB CEO that he should have negotiated into his deal the right to control Oscar's Twitter feed.
I joked with Richard a few months ago when he signed a contract extension to remain the GB CEO that he should have negotiated into his deal the right to control Oscar's Twitter feed.
Any problems with a Sergio Martinez vs. Andre Ward if they both handle their business
If they both win, that would be interesting.
In honor of the anniversary of Vernon Forrest's tragic murder. May the Viper continue to rest in peace. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGErfnPcJw
Good stuff. Three years ago yesterday.
Seems like Alfonso Gomez has fallen into the opponent category as well. Do you give him any chance vs. Porter?
He has become an opponent but a good enough one where you think he always has an outside shot.
Will you be making any apperances on FNF's in the near future?
dan I am very interested in Puerto Rican fighters Jonathan Gonzalez and orlandito del valle have important fights coming with darchinyan and dzinziruk what are your thoughs on those two fights and do you feel is the right step up for both guys
I think both guys are good prospects. I'm a little higher on Del Valle than Gonzalez, although I like both. Both are entertaining, which to me is important. They are both in legit fights although I think Gonzalez is in a tougher fight. I dont think Vic will be able to hang at 122. But he is very experienced. Bottom line is that both guys are taking on legit opponents and stepping up. That's a good thing. Now it's up to them to make the most of the opportunity.
I don't know why everyone is crapping on August as a bad month of boxing. We get the rematch EVERYONE was clamoring for: Brian Vera vs. Sergio Mora! This is bigger than anything else!
LOL. Ever the optimist.
Buy or Sell...For better or for worse, Al Haymond is currently the most influential man in boxing.
Buy. And it's Haymon.
Is Teddy Atlas covering Olympic boxing this year? If so, who takes his place on FNF?
Teddy is at the Olympics. There will be others sitting in for him for the next few weeks. Tonight is Zab Judah.
True story: A few days ago, I wrote to ESPN about #4-20 P4P rankings being the only thing not available to boxing fans; I never liked that about the ESPN boxing page. ESPN replied quickly, saying they'd consider changing it. Later that day, you tweeted that they're now available. Score one for the freaks!
Yup. The full p4p top 20 is now free. http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8198038/ranking-top-pound-pound-boxers-nos-1-3
If Dawson beats Ward is it time to start thining of him for HOF?
Happy birthday to Paul Williams!
Yes sir. Paul is 31 today. Happy birthday.
How many Ricky Hattons are about to make a comeback?
Not trying to be dark here, but does the 80+ year old Bob Arum have a succession plan after he moves on? You don't hear of many name around Bob whereas with GBP you hear several people who have some influence.
No idea what you are talking about. Todd duBoef, the president of the company, is Bob's stepson and perfectly capable of running the company. He is been running a large part of the company for years.
Will you be present at Turning Stone for Golovkin fight, since that is where it all started for you?
Turning Stone is not where I covered my first fight but it is where I covered my first world title bout (Too Sharp Johnson-Luis Rolon on ABC Wide World of Sports in 1997). But I won't be there. I have an 11-day road trip to Oakland and Las Vegas after that for Ward-Dawson and Martinez-Chavez/Canelo-Lopez. Plus I likely will also be traveling later in September for an Epix event.
Do you get paid in addition to your current salary for appearing on Friday night fights?
Hey Dan, I often see you on Sky and wondered how well you get on with Johnny Nelson? Did you follow much of his career and do you think Nelson vs Haye would have been a good contest at Cruiser?
I like Johnny a lot. Super good dude. Had a chance to hang with him a little when I was in England for Froch-Bute. I did follow his career through his reign at cruiserweight. Not the most exciting fighter (being honest, sometimes downright unwatchable) but I always respected his boxing skills. He knew what he needed to do to win and he had a lot of impressive showings.
Just read your P4P rankings and two things stood out to me: One is the presence of Anselmo Morenoa??good call; I think hea??s underrated by most people and Ia??d be interested in an update on him. And the second is the absence of Rigondeaux. I think most people would put him above, say, Mares. Any additional commentary on him?
Rigondeaux's pro resume is devoid of a single significant win at this point.
Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!! Dawson in the HOF. Yeah, Josesito Lopez is getting inducted if he beats Canelo.
do you at times find it difficult to come up with a clever lede for a story or blog, or does it already come natural?
Sometimes it's harder than other times. But I don't usually have problems with it.
Ill be up in the hometown of rochester that weekend and was pretty excited to hear that Golovkin/Proska is at turning stone, but outside of the fact that its something Ill be able to go see I find the location a bit odd no?
Not at all. Casinos often host fights. Turning Stone has dabbled in boxing. Nothing remarkable about the site.
How do Floyd and Gamboa even communicate?Does Gamboa speak English (I'm only ever heard him speak Spanish)
Maybe Roger translates?
Just wondering what so-called HBO 'consultant' Tom Hauser thought of Saturday night's disgrace? Lol
Dan Is floyd scheduled to be released next week? If so do you see him fighting this yr?
He is due to be released on Aug. 3 assuming there are no issues. As for a fight later in the year, undetermined. He said before Cotto he wanted another fight this year. But after jail who knows what he will want to do?
Question that you may have previously addressed. What is the difference between a manager and a promoter?
Managers have a fiduciary duty to the fighter. They negotiate with the promoter on the fighter's behalf for the purses and whatever other contractual things a fighter may want. The promoter does not have a fiduciary duty to the boxer and is responsible for all aspects of putting on the event, which a manager is not.
I recently watched Toney's youtube rant against you. Do you know if they plan on releasing an English version?
Pay the man, Shirley!!
Will you be amongst the throng of media at Floyd's prison release from Clark County Detention Center?
No. I have better things to do with my time.
I love Cunningham coming over to HW, for an Adamek fight. Their first fight was FOY candidate in my opinion. But besides the Adamek fight do you actually see Cunningham competing in the HW division?
He'll give it a try like many cruiserweights have. How he will do? I have no idea. But he's a hard worker and will give it an honest effort. All you can ask for.
whats ur thoughts on Donald Curry in his prime?
Tremendous fighter for a brief period.
Will Lundy make it to HBO or Showtime if he looks good tonight?
I think tito trinidad would have destroyed pacquiao and all of the welterweights outhere besides floyd because of his great defense. Your opinión dan
Trinidad had great defense? You feeling OK?
I wish The Ghost would have stayed at lightweight. Guerrero vs Broner would have been a great fight! Any chance this could still happen?
I wish Guerrero would have moved up sooner.
If Lundy wants to HBO or Showtime, he should just sign with Al Haymon.
Broner vs. Linares?
I notices that you, and most others also, seem to rate Vladamir Klitshcko a little higher than Vitali. I always wonder why since Vladamir has been knocked out cold twice, and Vitali has never been down and was also beating Lennox Lewis--- a MUCH toucher foe than Valdamir has ever faced?
First of all, Wlad was not knocked out cold ever. In his two stoppage losses to Brewster and Sanders he got up and the fight was stopped. So learn your history. But to answer the question, Wladimir has beaten a little better competition, been more active thru his career, is a more versatile fighter, seems to have better overall skills. I once talked to Vitali at length about this too and he also said he believed Wladimir was the better, more natutal fighter. He said it was because Wlad only boxed but Vitali started by doing kickboxing and had to make the change over. Wlad was more natural. Vitali may have faced Lennox but he also lost fair and square.
Hey Dan! Gotta disagree with HBO...in Thurman, I saw a guy who could make a nice little living on espn2. But with his REALLY wide punches, he'd easily get drilled against any decent fighter. Some of those wide punches on replay looked absolutely amatuerish...and a bad amatuer at that.
Aydin is much of an unknown. What do you know about him Dan?
He was a top, top amateur. He is unbeaten. He has wins against solid guys like Ouali, Bonus and Jo Jo Dan (although one of their two fights was quite a questionable decision). He's a legit fighter. I have ranked in the lower part of the top 10 welters.
Why do people hate me so much they want to see me fight Broner? :(
I've heard that Manny Pacquaio has just been inked as Chick-A-Fil's new spokesperson. Any comment?
Going to Vegas for my cousins bachelor party on the weekend of 9/14-16 plus we got good tickets to the Canelo fight. It's going to be a great weekend.
True story: Went to the fight last weekend and snuck all the way down to the table where Lampley, Kellerman, and RJJ call the fight. Roy was the first one there and I asked if he could take a pic and sign me an autograph. Did it without ANY hesitation. Made my trip!!!
That's great. Boxing folks are among the very best when it comes to talking with fans, taking pix and signing autographs. I've seen Roy take pix with a million people over the years.
Will Zab have the shower door with him on FNF tonight?
LOL. No I dont think so.
speaking of Zab, has he got anything lined up?
Not at the moment but he is mandatory for Lamont Peterson. And if Peterson is stripped by the IBF over the drug situation, Zab would fight for the vacant title. The next contender who would be offered the bout is Mike Alvarado.
In regards to the Chavez and Canelo fights, do you think the weigh ins will at least be at different times or will that also happen at the same time on Friday?
Nope, I expect they will happen at the same time.
You said you are traveling in septmeber for an epix broadcast, would that broadcast possibly be Burns-Mitchell?
Correct. Epix is likely going to do that fight.
Dan I saw you tweeting your cards and have heard over the years about your vast boxing collection. Have you made any plans for who will get it after you are gone?
Just rewatched Gatti/Ward I(for the 50th time) and was curious how you scored that bout? Was the knockdown enough to get Ward the win?
I thought Gatti edged him.
If Martinez gets by Chavez does that demand a fight with Canelo? Do you think that team Canelo would have the balls to face Martinez, especially if he picks Chavez apart?
Given the promotional differences, network differences (at least at the moment) and the fact that it is probably a mismatch at the moment, I would say no chance.
Dan, what happened to HBO's experiment of putting sensor's in boxer's gloves to see how hard they punch ?
Nothing happened to it. It is going to debut soon.
I haven't seen an actual date for the next episode of The Fight Game. Have you heard one?
I am told Sept. 22.
Does the ESPN boxing page get more page views than the ESPN MMA/UFC page?
From what I am told, yes.
What happened to "On Freddie Roach?"
Was one season, ran its course and was great. Now it's over.
Dan, say Chavez Jr. and Canelo both arrive at a crowded 5 star restaurant in Mexico City on a Saturday night, who gets a table first?
Interesting question. If Chavez is with his daddy, I would say definitely Chavez.
chances we see zab judah vs paulie malignaggi on oct 20 in bk
OK, Fight Freaks, thanks for chatting. Hope you check out all the stories and blogs from the week and the free p4p rankings. Enjoy the fights this weekend. Peace.