Greetings Fight Freaks and welcome to the weekly boxing chat. I'm back after a little bit of time off and no chat last week. Not much this weekend but there is a heavy fall schedule about to get started. So check out the news stories of the week, several new blogs and the updated rankings and schedule and let's get to it.
Chat wrap back in effect. Whatup Dan? Is Mares vs Moreno official? I don't like the fact that it's being discussed for same date as Rios vs Alvarado. I guess that's what DVR is for but sucks having 2 good bouts at the Same time.
Mares-Moreno is NOT official and there's a good chance it will not be on Oct. 13, according to Showtime.
Has Pascal-Cloud been completely canceled with no future bout between the two in sight?
It's in limbo right now. Pascal is still injured and Cloud has a mandatory coming due. Nothing is definite, but I just dont think it's going to happen, at least not this year.
hey dan, has bradley decided what is he going to do next, does he want the rematch or is there another oponent?
Bradley's schedule is up in the air because Pacquuiao holds a rematch option. Bradley can't schedule anything until that situation plays out.
Did your toe force you to withdraw from last week's chat or were you glassed on your way to the PC?
I took some time off and spent it with my family, which came to visit me and Mrs. DTM for a few days.
Danno - Who you got in the Abe-Steiglitz fight tomorrow?
I have not been impressed in any way by Abraham as a 168. I am picking Stieglitz. Abraham might be able to land a knockout punch -- Stieglitz has been stopped -- but I think Stieglitz should be able to outbox him. I have seen absolutely nothing in any of Abraham's recent fights to think he wins it. But who knows?
How big of a threat do you think Cano is to Paulie Malignaggi?
Cano is very basic, not fast, moving up in weight, fighting on Paulie's home turf and cuts. I think Paulie toys with him.
Hi Dan. Have you seen the Chavez-Martinez FaceOff preview? Looks awesome!
I havent watched it. I will watch the full show on Saturday night. HBO has some good stuff on that night -- Face Off, Chavez 2 Days and the Road to Ward-Dawson show. All starts at midnight.
Am I crazy for predicting a morales victory over Danny Garcia?
He's the underdog but it's possible. I dont happen to agree with you though.
Dan...very excited to go to my first live fight in September to see Martinez/Chavez. Any plans to replace a fight on the card with Rigondeaux fight off? Thanks!
Top Rank is working on it but nothing has been set or decided as of yet.
So, Top Rank is still trying to hold the Nov. 10 date for a PPV even with Manny moving to Dec. 1? Any idea what Top Rank has in mind for the date?
If they do another smaller PPV on Nov. 10 there are some fights they could put on there. Lara-Martirosyan for one. Maybe Salido-Garcia or Viloria-Hernan Marquez. Some good fights that dont have homes.
Top four fights I'm most looking forward to for the remainder of 2012: Martinez-Chavez Jr, Mares-Moreno, Rios-Alvarado, J Gonzalez-DeLeon
I cant say I have Mares-Moreno as high as you on my list but that's a good list. I would add Ward-Dawson and DeMarco-Molina to my list.
Welcome back, Dan! You were missed last week. With regard to last week's substitute teacher chat, I'll say it for you: How dare Eric Raskin challenge you with his primitive skills?!
Dan, are you excited that Danny Garcia is fighting Morales again?
How would you rate the Cuban's team performance at the Olympics? Mind you, I thought super heavy Savon got a raw deal against the house fighter and eventual gold medal winner Joshua.
Not as good as they have been but a lot of the top Cuban fighters have defected in recent years. But they still have a ton of talent.
i've been living in oakland all my life. big boxing fan. if you need to know any info about the area i'd be happy to let you know about the good places around the city. sports bar, places to eat ect.
Cool. I'll be there in two weeks for the fight. My first trip to Oakland.
Who do you think will win the 4 fighter IBF eliminator: Adamek, Walker, Pulev or Ustinov? I think it will be Pulev.
There is no 4 fighter eliminator tourney. Adamek-Walker is not part of it. Pulev-Ustinov winner will be Wlad's IBF mandatory challenger.
Why did Ward demand home advantage against Dawson? Have you noticed the California referees let Ward gets away with headbutting, hitting off the break and hitting while holding? I think Dawson would win at 175 with fair officiating in a neutral location, but the deck is stacked against him.
Ward did not "demand" it. It is where the fight made economic sense for both sides. Dawson has no fans and cant sell anywhere. Ward has fans and can sell in Oakland. Pretty easy to figure out where to have the fight.
Why don't you evern blast Wlad Klitchko for his selection of weak opponents????
Why? Who has he ducked? He'll fight anybody. The guys who might make the most sense -- Povetkin, Fury for example -- have not wanted to fight him for different reasons. So I have no problem with Wlad staying busy and facing the guys willing to fight him.
DTM, do you think Broner is making a mistake in attempting to get fights at 147 (Guerrero)? I mean, he just moved up from 130. Is he that BIG?
I dont think that fight will happen but I'd love to see it and I think if it was legitimately discussed, Broner might do it. Broner is a huge 130 now going to 135. Guerrero has had one fight ever above 138. There is not much difference in size between them.
Steve Molitor must be one of the best replacement opponents at short notice for a while. Will be a good test for Frampton. Fair play to Matchroom
I agree. He's probably a better opponent than Kiko Martinez was.
Will Gamboa fight again this year? Are the rumors about TMT securing Nov 17th factual?
Gamboa will probably fight this year. He will likely face Salgado. The exact date? That is not 100% as far as I know, but Nov. 17 is a possibility from what I am told.
Do HBO and Golden Boy really think that the 135 lb division will suddenly get better in a month and they will have an HBO worthy opponent for Broner in November?
No, but they buy themselves more time.
Am I reading the schedule right? Rodriguez-Escalera & Erdei-Chilemba on HBO? Really?
Correct. It's a Boxing After Dark card that would have been one of the shows on the aborted HBO2 series. Gary Shaw will have a similar card on Oct. 27.
This August has been BRUTAL! I can't wait for all of the "boxing" shows on HBO this weekend.
I've rather enjoyed the brief hiatus.
Thoughts on Hatton's comeback?
Just a rumor right now.
Do you have any insight on Who Manny will fight on Dec 1? If you had to bet, who would u bet on?
If you listen to Top Rank and Pacquiao's people it's Bradley, Marquez or Cotto. I do not think a decision has been made for sure.
James Kirkland flat out lost his mind. Exciting fighter but it's getting increasingly difficult to root for the guy.
Winky Wright School of Boxing Business, top of the class.
Not a Wlad fan, but he's doing the right thing. Stay active, clean out the Wach's and Pulev's of the world while he waits for Price, Fury, Mitchell, etc..
Dan - Do you see any possibility of an Alexander v Matthysse rematch since they are fighting on the same card? I would like to see Matthysse avenge that questionable defeat.
No but I would never say never. By the way, I didnt happen to think it was all that controversial. I thought it was close but that Devon eked it out.
Povetkin is probably the third best heavyweight in the world, and he will likely need more seasoning until the Klitschkos retire, when will miraculously be ready to fight them. Who exactly are people expecting the Klitschkos to fight?
Exactly. Povetkin doesnt need seasoning. He's a veteran pro and Olympic gold medalist. Is is who he is. And that is a good heavyweight whom either Klitschko would destroy. Look how he was rocked by right hands from cruiserweight Marco Huck. Now imagine Wlad's right hand on his face.
I'm sad you didn't do the chat last week. We could have had the first appearance of Momma DTM.
Momma DTM is not a boxing fan and was much more interested in spending time with me, Mrs. DTM, sister DTM, brother in law DTM and niece and nephew DTM.
Did you think that Alexander deserved the decision over Kotelnik too?
Yes and I was actually at that fight in person -- saw day I created my Twitter account @danrafaelespn
Am I way off, or could it be that Pac could fight Mayweather on Dec 1st. Manny can't afford another loss before a Mayweather fight...... Might as well grad the money while it is still there
Zero chance of that happening. Paulie is fighting Cano on Oct. 20. Read this: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8294362/danny-garcia-erik-morales-highlight-boxing-title-card-new-barclays-center-brooklyn
Here's my feature on the Stieglitz-Abraham fight on Saturday: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8298958/last-chance-arthur-abraham
Dan, what do you think the odds are that we get Cotto-Canelo some time next year? I think that could be a great, great fight.
I think that fight is bound to happen at some point. Will be a major PPV event.
How do you think Errol Spence will do as a pro?
Of all the American Olympians I look at him as the guy with probably the best overall talent in terms of becoming a pro.
At this point, between JMM, Cotto, and Bradley....who would you give the best chance to get a clear win over Manny?
Probably Marquez, just based on their past fights.
Why was the HBO2 series cancelled?
New boss (Hershman) had different ideas than the old boss (Greenburg).
Check this out: http://twitpic.com/amv5ak
Danimal, since the last Pac fight didn't even do a million ppv buys, what do you think a rematch with Cotto or Bradley would do? I say they'd be lucky to get 500K. Thoughts? Does Manny need to take a pay cut?
A rematch with Cotto and Bradley would do better than Pacquiao-Bradley 1 in my opionion. Cotto has a huge fan base and it would sell. A Bradley rematch would get even more hype because of the first fight and the controversy.
I always thought there was a 24\7 for Chavez vs. Martinez. Am I wrong on that? Just Ward vs. Dawson?
There is a 24/7 for Martinez-Chavez. There is a one-time special for Ward-Dawson that is in essence a countdown show that is now branded 24/7 and called "24/7: Countdown to Ward-Dawson."
Dan, Pacquiao is basically keeping Bradley, Marquez and Cotto from scheduling anything while he decides. But is it safe to say that we won't see either of the two he doesn't pick until January?
No true. Nobody is forcing anything on Marquez or Cotto. They can do whatever they want.
Dan, is the TBA Froch opponent going to be anyone with a pulse, or just a walk-through before the Bute rematch?
The opponent is supposed to be announced this coming week. We'll see then.
Dan you said noooo way noooo how are two big fights going off on Sept. 15. Looks like its happening...what say you?
What I said was no way would there be two PPVs on the same night and there arent.
I am looking forward to Ward/Dawson as a good technical fight, yet I see the result as almost obvious. Ward works 3 minutes of every round and Dawson does not and that'll be the decider in a technical fight. Am I missing something?
Yours is a common scenario I have heard folks talk about. Would not surprise me.
Pumped for Golovkin-Proska next weekend!
Seeing all the uproar about "Bones" Jones not fighting who everyone wants in the UFC, it seems all those smug MMAers out there forget boxing is much older than their sport -- and they are slowly evolving into the same scenarios we have...
I dont equate them. But obviously, it was bound to happen that a top MMA guy would decline a fight on short notice.
After Roy Jones beat John Ruiz....was there ever a chance of RJJ vs. Tyson?
The fight that was close to being made at that time was Roy against Evander.
tickets just arrived for the rios vs alvarado fight. I can't wait for this fight. Will you be at the fights that night
I plan to be.
Dan, Any word on Chris Arreola? Next fight?
I am tired of people's whines about WACH vs Wlad. First I say, Wlad will not WACH all over Mariusz! Just WACH the fight and see. It will be time to WACH and roll when the Polish giant takes the ring against Klitschko. So please, DON'T KNOCK THE WACH! Thank you.
WACH what you're saying or you'll be banned.
Dan, is Broner likely to join Golden Boy in their voyage to Showtime at some point?
He has no contract with either network. But for his next fight at least he is supposed to be on HBO in November.
How is it that Viloria-Marquez does not have US TV? That's just hard to believe, that's a perfect HBO BAD fight.
I agree. But that is not my call.
Anything definite set for the pro careers of some of the 2012 US Olympic boxers?
Nothing locked in 100% yet.
When I think of Alvarado-Rios I honestly worry about their physical health after the fight.
I always thought that Lewis v. Tyson was the biggest PPV boxing event ever. But I read the other day it got 1.9-mil buys. Is Mayweather - De La Hoya the biggest, or is there some Heavyweight bout I'm missing here?
Lewis-Tyson did more revenue than Holyfield-Tyson 2 but Holyfield-Tyson 2 did slightly more buys and held the all-time record in buys for several years. Then Mayweather-Oscar blew it away and is now the PPV champ in terms of buys and revenue.
It is about time HBO demands a credible opponent for Broner. The constant showcasing is really turning me off. I really like Broner and his schtick but I want to see him in a competitive fight.
I think HBO agrees. The problem is the 130 and 135 divisions suck.
Any chance of a Roy Jones/Manny Pacquiao album?
Pay the man, Shirley!
Andre Ward has to be creeping up in everyones pound for pound list but a win over Dawson could bolt him striaght to the top.
It'll be a great win if he gets it but I dont think it will make anyone move him ahead of Floyd.
Dan, Is Epix looking at picking up anymore fights for the end of the year? I have enjoyed the broadcasts and fights they have showcased so far.
Yes. It will carry Povetkin-Rahman card and, from what I am told, at least one or two more before the end of the year besides that.
Dan, did you see the back and forth between Broner and Guerrero? Any chance we see that pairing sooner rather than later?
Of course I did. I made some comments on it at the time.
Dan, Do you think Alfredo Perro Angulo can be back to being a legit contender for a championship after what he has gone through these past year??
I'm glad to see Angulo has his immigration stuff worked out and will look forward to seeing him back in the ring. But I dont really see him being at the top of the division, although he'll be in good fights.
Just curious Dan...I respect Roberto Duran a great deal but at lightweight why do you rank him above Pernell Whitaker?
Because I have watched them both as lightweights. Duran was just a freakin animal at 135. Pernell's great defense would not have been able to hold him off in my view.
Dan any word on Peterson v Judah
No, other than the IBF ordered them to make the fight.
From Danny Garcia's perspective, what good can come of fighting Morales again? He either does better and no on cares or he does worse and loses the post-Khan luster...
Morales had a rematch clause. End of story.
October 6th date for Boardwalk Hall is it still going to happen for Bronner?
No. Read this blog I wrote a few days ago: http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/1678/adrien-broners-oct-6-fight-moved
Two questions on your card collecting. Does your collection contains any graded boxing strip cards from the 1920s? And what's your prized non-boxing card??
I dont have graded strip cards from the 20s but I have a Dempsey rookie from the 20s that is graded. This is probably my favorite graded boxing card in my collection: http://twitpic.com/alv8qs As for non-boxing cards, I have an extensive baseball collection also. Too many to name.
Dan, how can Arum try and sell a Pacquiao-Bradley rematch? It would be a huge flop on PPV it would do half the numbers the first fight did which were not that great to begin with. No serious fight fan wants to see this fight.
You'd be surprised how many people would buy it after the controversy of the first fight.
Dan, if Mike Alvarado can get past Rios, do you think he finally gets a shot at a title?
I cant say for sure he will but he SHOULD.
I think i remember you saying Arce is not HOF material yet (i could be wrong though - that was awhile ago) - what are your thoughts now?
I've viewed him in recent years as a borderline candidate.
Vanes vs Lara is TR vs GB right? Is this a sign of hope for boxing fans?
None at all. It was a purse bid and Top Rank won it. And there is still no guarantee the fight will happen.
The thing is, from K2's perspective, Wach is a great fight for Wlad, given the proximity of Poland and the interest of the Polish boxing fans in the fight. And I think Wach will do better than Adamek and Sosnowski did, so it should be interesting. One vicious shot on Wlad's chin similar to what Wach landed on Kevin McBride and Poland has a HW champion of the world.
Amazing. Somebody who is actually logical in here!
I'm shocked Team Guerrero has yet to send out a Broner Press Release?!
Pay the man, Shirley!!
Dan, are fan's sleeping on the Pablo Hernandez/Ross fight. I here no buzz from fans but looks like a great match to me.
Most fans in the US havent seen much of either of them so I'm not surprised there is no buzz. Why would there be? I'm not even sure there is buzz in Germany.
Any updates on Paul Williams?
There is nothing new.
Just out of curiosity, why does it seem like many boxers from Russia or former Soviet bloc countries end up being based in and fighting regularly in Germany? Just better economic prospects?
You hit it on the head. There is a robust boxing business in Germany on television.
Why did Roy Jones Jr decided to go back to light heavy weight after the Ruiz fight?
Was continually being called out by Tarver, the one top guy at 175 he had not faced and also because the Holyfield fight did not come off.
Is a Cotto fight on December 1 at MSG basically off at this point?
No, there is nothing official whatsoever on a Cotto fight or a Pacquiao fight.
Maybe I'm being too positive, but with PacMan moving back to Dec 1...is there ANY chance that it could be Floyd? Is it AT ALL possible that both camps could actually negotiate behind the scenes to keep this thing from falling apart AGAIN.
I do not believe there is any chance Pacquiao-Mayweather happens Dec. 1. I'd love to be wrong.
DTM, do you think Donaire is getting a pass for not fighting Mares or Rigo? He's already saying he's moving up after Nishioka. I haven't heard a lot of writers giving him a hard time about it either.
First of all, it's not like the Mares camp was running to fight Donaire either. If presented with the bout I have no doubt both guys would take it. As for Rigondeaux, he hasnt done anything to warrant the fight yet. He has no fans, no signature wins and a heap of legal problems. So stop drinking the Kool Aid on Donaire ducking Rigondeaux. It's ridiculous. Let Rigondeaux bank some solid wins against good opponents and earn the fight. Moreover, if Top Rank went to Donaire with a solid deal for the fight I am sure he would take it. But that hasn't happened.
I know Seth Mitchell hurt his hand, but they wasted a lot of the year waiting for HBO dates. He should be fighting every 2 months!
Ummm, HE WAS INJURED.
Will EPIX be airing Ricky Burns on 9/22
The WBC has announced that Lance Armstrong is still their Tour de France champion
For a small sanctioning fee, of course.
Do you think it's professional the way Dana White openly bad mouths his fighters?
Dana says what he thinks and that is refreshing.
Dan has returned to the chat! Now is when we dance!!!!
You'll dance when I tell you to dance.
Were you able to check in to your chat last week? How do you think Eric Raskin did in your place?
I'm sure he did fine. I did not check in. I didn't even have my phone on for a good part of last week.
What are the chances we get Pacquiao/Cotto II Dec. 1?
One thing you can be sure of: no matter who a Klitschko fights, there will be a bunch of know-it-all Internet boxing "experts" lined up immediately to say why it is a lousy choice, and that the brothers are "ducking" fighter a,b, or c, and on and on. It is very tiresome routine and more boring than the most boring Klitschko fight.
Having the substitute teacher for the chat last week was just like seeing Floyd with hair...bizarre
How would you grade Hershman at HBO so far?
have u ever been off and a big fight was made?
No, because if that happened, I would cut short what I was doing and cover if it if necessary.
Dan, am I alone in thinking Bradley-Marquez is a more interesting fight than Pacquiao against either of them?
I'd love to see that one.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the Love Child.
Do you think RJJ in his prime would have handled Tarver easily?
I dont think easily, but a non-prime Roy did beat him in the first fight, albeit competitively. So I believe a prime Roy beats him all day long.
any opponent yet for Thomas Dolorme on the 10/27 BAD? Who else could appear on that card?
Not yet as Dulorme first fights next week before that can be addressed. HBO and Shaw are going through possible opponents and the others fights. It will be a triplheader.
Dan, it seems the new meme for hardcore boxing fans is that Donaire is ducking Rigo, but Donaires resume is on a completely different level than Rigo's.
Exactly. Rigondeaux isnt even allowed to fight right now because of the injunction.
How do you think Randall Bailey will fare against Alexander? Devon looked pretty good against a lethargic Maidana.
Like any Bailey fight -- if he lands the right hand clean, nighty night. If not, he'll have a ton of problems.
Do you believe Arum is trying to force Cotto to agree to a catch weight by moving Pacquiao's date to Dec. 1? Agree to our demands or lose your date.
No. Besdides, it's not Bob who determined Cotto's date.
Even though i agree that Donaire is not ducking Rigondeaux at this time. he's gotta keeping an eye on this kids Career and its only a matter of time before we start calling for this fight to happen
That's fine, when it's time. Right now, that is not a big fight.
Buy or Sell: We see Antonio Tarver as a Showtime commentator again?
Sell. I think he's finished at Showtime -- unless he is cleared.
Was Michael Dokes simply a bad guy? I never heard anything about him, after he was knocked out by Bowe.
Well he did go to prison for a horrific beating and sexual assault of a woman, whom he basically disfigured. I wouldnt want to have invited him over to hang out.
Does Josesito Lopez have a chance against Canelo?
What's up Dan. I'm going to Ward Vs. Dawson because its practically in my backyard and then I'm going to Chavez Vs. Martinez the next week. Am I fight freak worthy???
I'm doing the same thing. DC to Oakland and then right to Vegas.
If Dawson wins convincingly do you think he stays @168 to take on froch, bute etc.
I think he would take whatever the biggest fight was for him at either division.
Dan, with the full cards now spelled out, how do you grade the respective Sept. 15 shows from top to bottom?
HBO PPV has the better main event, Showtime has the better undercard.
Dan, I notice that the daily boxing calendar doesn't list a Dec. 1 date for Pacquiao. Are you waiting for something more concrete?
Yes, because it's not 100% right now.
If you missed this 2 weeks ago, check it out before asking: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/8255219/dan-rafael-chat-faq
Dan, please help me understand why Tarver using a banned substance is relevant to his announcing career? He quickly became one of my favorite announcers, and I was NOT a Tarver fan prior.
Do I really need to spell this out for you? What credibility would he have calling fights as a known cheater? Showtime does not need the headache that causes.
Is there any sort of agreement for HBO and Showtime to not discuss the results of fights on each others cards when they are competing? I really dont want to have to watch the PPV without volume to avoid the results of the Showtime card.
No and there shouldn't be. If it comes up, it comes up. It's live sports. Period.
Do you think that by parting ways with trainer Anne Wolf for the second time in his careed, James Kirkland will be committing a professional suicide?
Kirkland has made many bad decisions and this is another one.
Hey Dan who did you have in the Anthony Joshua v Roberto Cammarelle final. And do see them both being successful in the pro ranks?
I thought Joshua eked it out. He has a ton of potential as a pro. Cammarelle I dont think has much upside as a pro. He's been an amateur forever and is already in his early 30s. Besides, as far as I know he had no intention of turning pro anyway.
Dan, What kind of PPV#s do you think Chavez-Sergio will draw?
I think it has a chance to go over 400,000.
Tell me why Nick Cannon is going to announce the fighters for the Ward/Dawson?
Read this for the answer: http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/1683/cannon-to-announce-ward-dawson
James Kirkland : training super hard, listening to super bad advice.
Dan,What fight of Lennox Lewis' career do you think was his best? I think it was against Mercer....that was a WAR
Lennox toughed out a really brutal fight that night to edge Mercer. Really good and underrated fight. But Lennox had some other excellent performances. The way he just absolutely destroyed Golotas and Grant was impressive. Same with Ruddock. And to come back against Rahman after being knocked dead and knock him even deader was also impressive.
DanTheMan, Was the Pac Dec. 1 reschedule some kind of TR smoke screen to get the potential fight with Cotto?
Dont know. But Pacquiao may end up on Nov. 10. Top Rank said all along Dec. 1 was possible but that MIGHT stay on Nov. 10. So we'll see what happens.
Danny, The HW division can't be this thin for Klitscho to pick Wach from obscurity just because of his size. There are more deserving HW out there with better resume's like Tyson Fury.
Fury doesnt want the fight right now.
Any chance of Mayweather fighting this year?
I'd say it's less than 50-50 chance.
Dan, thoughts on Santa-Cruz vs. Morel?
Not sure what Morel has done to warrant a second consecutive title shot when he didnt even warrant the first one. He's made to order at this point for Santa Cruz, who probably will utterly overwhelm him with punch output.
looking forward to the randy cabellero vs manuel roman fight?
ShoBox live boxing tonight. With no FNF at least we have some action!
When do you think we will find out whether Freddie will carry on as Khans trainer?
At some point, when Pacquiuao's schedule is set and Amir's schedule is set that will have to be worked out. There's no rush right now.
I would Like to see a Broner-Miguel Vazquez fight, am i being just mexican or you think is actually a good fight?....Greetings!
It's definitely a credible fight. Hard to make given the TR-GB stuff but I dont think impossible. I dont think TR or Beltran has a whole lot for him and Broner would be a good payday.
If Linares and Khan ever fought, who gets knocked out first?
I am really excited about the Arthur Abraham fight tomorrow. What time is it taking place? I need to figure out when to watch my stream tomorrow.
Probably around 5 pm ET.
how long do you think it will be before Deontay Wilder is ready for a espn or showbox about
He's been on ESPN already on an undercard. I'm sure he could be on either show again with a better caliber of opponent than he has been fighting.
Has there ever been a feud between promoters that has lasted as long as the Golden Boy and Top Rank one has? It is beyond old and damaging to the sport we love.
TR and Don King went at it HEAVILY for MANY years.
If Roy had fought Tyson and/or Holyfield back in the day, who would you pick?
Depends how far "back in the day."
"TR and Don King went at it HEAVILY for MANY years." But didn't TR and King also but on good cards together?
No. They almost never promoted cards together. Did a few over the course of probably 25 years.
OK Fight Freaks, thanks for chatting today. Hope you check out all the stories, enjoy tonight's ShoBox and the rest of your weekend. I'll talk with you next week. Peace.