Bonjour les amis. C'est le temps de parler d'hockey !
Who you got to win the Southeast this season...ya know, assuming they ever drop the puck? And could any of the 5 teams realistically make the ECF?
yes greatly improved division. I've got the Hurricanes
So here's a two for one deal. First of all, being a Devils fan, how will a season long lockout affect the Devils' financial situation and for that matter, any other struggling team such as the Yotes, Isles, etc? Doesn't a year's long of lost revenue scare the life out of those teams' owners? I've come to accept that there won't be a season this year I think. Non-lockout question (only one you'll have all day), could the Devils go after an RFA such as Franson, O'reilly or Del Zotto or do you predict all of those big names will be signed up immediately after a new CBA is reached?... in 2018.
I'll deal with first question, lots of people to get to on this chat.Here's the gamble/risk that League has told owners is worth it: whatever money is lost during work stoppage can be recouped _ and more _ with a new system that delivers better financial guaranteees, etc... Who knows if that happens or not
Both sides have acknowledged 50/50 is where they are headed, which means they are very close to an agreement, but the Devil is in the details. There will NEVER be an agreement until they have an open table discussion to see where each side is willing to bend a little to make it happen. Why would the NHL turn down such a meeting when there is still time to salvage a 75-82 game season?
FIrst of all, great points. NHL turned down meeting because it doesn't want to get back into the room again until:1) NHLPA willing to talk Make Whole 2) and/or NHLPA has new proposal3) and/or NHLPA willing to neogotiate off NHL offer
These 2 sides can't meet at all this week? Isn't it their jobs to get this CBA done? All of the rest of the country have to work 40+ hours a week at our jobs to earn our income. They can't muster 2 hours this week to talk? They all deserve $1 or less salary for this year, especially if we lose more games or the whole season.
Just wanted to let you have your say
Pierre, did you hear the news? The Islanders are moving to Brooklyn! The Blue Jackets hired JD! Now the media has something important to cover. Nothing else to see here....
LOL, the Isles' Brooklyn news is indeed timely after last night's debale on the CBA front
Pierre, what is the best Swiss beer? Do they sell absinthe there? This is going to be just like semester abroad!
Just stay away from their green t-shirts :)
both sides need to set aside their differences and work out an agreement so they can get back to playing hockey.
that would be, V-E-R-Y N-I-C-E (Kazakhstan accent)
If you had to bet money on it, when do you think the deal gets done?
Might as well stick with my original prediction from the summer:Late november agreement, mid-December puck drop
Might as well stick with my original prediction from the summer:Late november agreement, mid-December puck drop
Is there any chance that everything that's gone on in the past week is all a game that's part of the negotiations? If we look at the facts, there's less than 500M between the two sides and even if they miss just 15-20 games they both lose the money that they're arguing about.
For sure there's a chance this is posturing... As I wrote today, I don't think Fehr ever intended to do a deal this week, wants to make NHL sweat it out a bit more and maybe get a better deal for players... Risk in that is that owners are starting to lose it
with another big name like patrick kane signing to play in europe yesterday, do these players know something we as fans dont? why would players STILL be signing overseas if an agreement was going to be reached this week, next week, the week after even? Very hard to stay positive this way.
If you see Stamkos or Crosby ever going to Europe, that's when you know they know something we don't. While Stamkos and Crosby are still here, there's still hope
Pierre, which do you dislike covering more: the lockout, or the all-star game?
I hate both but at least the all-star game is over quickly
Your thoughts on the Montreal Canadiens if a season is played?
I think they vastly underperformed last season and are a better team on paper. I think they can finish 7th or 8th in the East if Carey Price bounces back, Andrei Markov stays healthy. I really like the Therrien hiring. He gets most of out his team. Got young Penguins team to within 2 wins of a Cup. My concern remains with size and depth down middle for Montreal. Hard to win on a consistent basis without strength down the middle and I don't think Montreal has addressed that yet
I'm so frustrated with this whole thing. They are so close yet so far. I'll be back but I won't be spending money on TV packages or apparel any time soon.
You have been heard.
If the league has stated that there is wiggle room across the board in their proposal why is the PA not willing to negotiate off that proposal? We all know that players signing 10 yr deal has zero intention of honoring them, what's wrong with 5-7 years?
Because I believe Fehr wants to wait them out a big longer...
post your question or comment hi pierre,, what are the chances of roberto luongo joining leafs after lockout ?
It's certainly possible, I'd rate the leafs as the front-runners at this point. But other teams may jump in after the lockout given new rule in league proposed CBA which stipulates Canucks would be on the hook for cap hit if Luongo retires before end of his deal even if he gets traded.. that just augmented his trade value
Pierre, I have come to the conclusion that the lockout has the best chance of ending quickly if the league feels real pressure from its corporate sponsors and TV partners. If it is true that the NBC Sports Network is struggling, and knowing the NHL is its marquee attraction, I can't imagine the network executives are too happy right now. Do you agree? Do you think that the media could play up that angle a little more, focusing on how the league's TV and corporate partners stand to lose greatly by the loss of hockey this season?
It's a good point. for sure.But believe me, NHL is already feeling heat to make a deal from its owners who want an 82-game season
Why is there no interest from sponsors to hire players under a UEFA style of agreements? It's not perfect, but it's a good model for player freedom, and contracts are not guaranteed, keeping the competition up.
Yeah I know what you mean with the soccer-style system but that's never garnered much traction with the NHL
Hey Pierre,I keep hearing rumors how some players would be willing to sign the NHL's latest offer today..any truth to that?
No I don't any think any players would have accepted the NHL's last offer. However, I have heard from players (privately) that want to get back in the room and negotiate off of it, hopefully gain a number of points in the players' favor but try and get a deal done
Assuming that the Islander's stay in Brooklyn will be a lengthy one, is the organization better off keeping the team's identity intact by not changing the logo and the name, or would the organization be better off changing the team's identity to reflect its move to Brooklyn? I suspect the former could prevent the team from gaining any traction in Ranger's territory, and the latter would alienate what fan base the Islanders do have.
Personallly I wouldn't change the name. Four Stanley Cup titles. You shouldn't erase that memory
Do you know if the players have ever had a vote on the wether or not to keep fighting or just work out some sort of deal. I have talked to 2 players that have both said they would sign a deal tomorrow. 2) Does Don Fehr ever bring up the fact they are fighting for 13% right now and if these guys miss 2 cheques their in the hole already.
don't think there's been any kind of vote. Players have had lots of conf calls where they can have their say... Fehr is telling them to be patient...but you're right on percentage lost... at some point if it's no longer an 82-game season, that's money the players don't get back. Then again, it's also home dates the owners dont' get back
Pierre, if the NHL is really so concerned about its image, don't you think replacing Gary Bettman as commissioner would go a long way to smoothing things over with most fans? The educated fan knows all the positives he has done in his tenure...fought hard to keep bankrupt teams in Pit, Ott, Buf, negotiated NBC TV deal, grew Winter Classic into huge event. We also know that some of the negatives surrounding him were not really his fault...the southern expansion and 94 lockout were already planned before he took office, canadian teams relocated because of weak canadian dollar. But bottom line is this...whenever anyone hears the name "Gary Bettman"...the first things that come to mind are (1) lockouts (2) getting boo'd at the Stanley Cup and (3) bankrupt teams in southern markets. And he is the constant joke of most mainstream media. Is that what the league really wants out of their "face"? I asked this question to Custance and he said fair point, but hard to see Bettman stepping down after he is taking all the bullets for the owners in this lockout.
You answered your own question, the owners hide behind Bettman....Having said that, this lockout has certainly been tougher image-wise on Bettman than the first two in my opinion
With the Islanders moving to Brooklyn how does this help them out with potential free agents in the future?
Well for sure nobody wants to play in that dump of a rink on Long IslandBut what really, really lures UFAs is a team that's got a chance to win
Pierre, if you had to put on the fuzzy suit, which NHL mascot would you dress up as for Halloween? My Penguin getup is always good, and you could have Burnside dress as Van Damme and fight me to the death in the Igloo kitchen. Or you could go as Harvey the Hound from Calgary and have Custance dress up as Mac-T and pull your tongue out.
I'd go as Ricky Gervais
Hi Pierre, this is more of a rant than a question. I read somewhere that the players don't all agree with the projected revenue the league says they plan on splitting over the next 6 years or so (however long the next CBA is)...the players think that it could be higher with the way the sport has been growing the past couple years. Maybe somebody should remind them that they are pissing off all the fans and maybe the sport won't resume where it left off, in fact, I doubt it will. I just think it is so funny they are fighting over money...when all this time money is being lost...and is going to be harder to get back.
They have disagreed over Hockey-Related Revenue definitions but I don't think that's a big deal at this point... It's all about figuring out Make Whole (or a phase-in formula) in order to honor existing player contracts... That's the key to getting a deal done
Pierre, if, I mean when the season is cancelled, exactly how will the draft work? I've read a couple different versions and would like to know the Jets odds of getting MacKinnon.
If there's no season I can't imagine why it wouldn't be same as 2005 when 30 balls were thrown into the hat
Did you see where the Mayor of Glendale is now saying the city might be better off losing the Coyotes?
City of Glendale, otherwise known as ''Gongdale."
Pierre, mate, with regards to your chats.....we always want MO' MO' MO'! Did you hear the story about how I am playing at some kid's birthday party in Seattle because he organized an online petition for two years to get me to come. If you could have one artist play at your birthday, who would you pick? Probably someone Canadian. Honeymoon Suite is definitely available....
Yes a Canadian: the greatest rock and roller of them all, Neil Young
The players say they won't take a dollar less on existing contracts, but this seems like an entirely unrealistic goal. Are they bluffing? And if so, how much would they realistically give back in the new CBA? If they aren't bluffing and expect these contracts to be honoured, what are the chances of that happening? Always love your up to date analysis, Pierre.
I think if the NHL offered a phase-in that started at 53 or 54 percent and got to 50/50 by Year 3, there are a lot of players that might jump on that...
Pierre,Do you sense any pressure coming internally from the players? Is there any chance the owners proposal from Tuesday gets put to a vote?
there will be no vote on NHL offer. Both sides have to get into a room and hash out the middle ground on the Make Whole provision plus agree on systemic changes to player contracts, etc.... They're not that far apart.
FYI Islanders owner just announced they've signed a 25-year lease agreement at Barclays arena (Brooklyn)How about them apples
Which party is more likely to cave in and settle this thing?
Hopefully nobody '''caves in." Let's have adult negotiation which produces something fair for both sides and something that's healthy for the sport and industry long-term, not just for this CBA
How misguided is the League and PA's assumption that the fans are going to forgive them and come back after this finally gets settled? I can't believe I'm saying this, but I've found myself joining the queue of deeply hurt fans heading for the exit. I love the sport and my Sens, but there's only so much abuse and disrespect I can take before sticking around becomes pathetic. The NHL and the PA have literally made it embarrassing to be a fan of the world's greatest game at the professional level. Greed and labor disputes are an ugly part of any professional sport, but the amount of bad-faith bargaining and two-faced manipulation of fan emotions seen from both sides belittles us 9-to-5ers who gave them all the hard earned cash they're destroying the game over. I'm packing up and taking my business to the NBA. It's not hockey and has faults, sure, but at least it isn't the chronically abusive relationship I have with the NHL.
Best post of the day. And no reason for me to add anything. Well said.
How much do the NHL players that are playing overseas get paid?
Dan, really depends on location, team, and obviously stature of players...Guys like Ovechkin and Kovalchuk and Malkin are rumored to be making close to $2 million a month _ tax-free.. KHL doesn't announce salaries like NHL so there's no real way of knowing for sure...But in some cases, NHL players are just happy to have their teams in Europe pay the cost of their additional insurance _ which is constly _ and basically play for almost nothing.
what are the chances of the NHLPA & NHL getting a mediator to settle the lockout so we can get back to hockey?
I've asked both sides about that _ maybe 3 weeks ago _ and they both said it's a possiblity but didn't feel it was warranted yet
Hockey or no Hockey if you had to guess ??
I still say we'll have some form of season but after yesterday I'm certainly less confident than I was of that
Are the PA stalling cuz they believe the NHL's best offer will be in December?
there are those who indeed believe that. But who knows for sure
If thousands of fans gathered outside every NHL arena on whichever day at the same time and protested the lockout, do you think that would have any effect negotiations? At least raise some eye brows, so that people realize that fans are more upset this time around?
Sadly, I don't think so
Do you think the Isles will thrive in Brooklyn? Are the owners and players really thick headed enough to have another season long lockout? This will make the NHL look so bad how can they let it happen.
yes I like the move to Brooklyn. Nassau is a dump. Worst rink in the NHL.
Pierre, I'm going to an NBA exhibition game tonight. What is this world coming to?!
Don't do it ! Don't do it ! !!!!
I'll never play another second in the NHL
Well I guess you'll save the Caps a lot of money then
When an NHL player signs a contact & refuses to honor it, like Yashin did, it's a huge deal.. When owners sign a contract and refuse to honor it, there is a tendency to shrug it off like it's just expected and just part of negotiations. While I know where you stand on the issue, why isn't more made of how underhanded this tactic really is?
I think a lot has been made of it over the last week. With the NHL finally acknowledging a need to honor existing player contracts through Make Whole provision, that certainly underlines it.
I'm not sure I understand the move to Brooklyn for the Islanders. Seating capacity is less than that of Nassau, and the arena configuration for hockey leaves no seating at one end of the rink. Do you have any thoughts on this?
First of all, what's the point of having more seats in Nassau if nobody is filling them? Dumpy rink. Barclay's won't be ideal but it's new and people will want to actually go there and spend an evening.
Definitely missing the NHL, but I have to say I've been pretty impressed with the AHL games I've seen, especially with all the young NHL calibre players. Have you been watching any of the AHL, and if so which players have really stuck out for you?
yes. Justin Schultz
As an Isles fan, I couldn't be happier about the BK deal. Nassau was preventing them from getting quality FA's. What is your opinion on the job that Snow has done thus far as a GM?
Mixed report card on Garth. But I love the kids that are coming up. Will be a good team at some point soon
Are the islanders gonna change their name, and do you think losing Prust ill hurt the rangers?(I'm a ranger fan)
they announced they won't change their name
Your thoughts on fan backlash if season is lost? I can envision some organized boycotts next season.
I guarantee not all fans will return this time around. What's the saying? Fool me once...
What is the % chance an 82 game season is played this year?
I'd have to agree with the comment above by Justin some of us actually work more the 40 hours a week to take care of our families. it seems like both sides are not negotiating they only care about what they want and are forgetting the rest of the people that are hurt buy this lock out. like the people that work at the arenas or at the businesses around the arenas that count on the increase in business from hockey games. can't have a league with out both sides of this coin they are really just hurting the little people in the end by dragging this out.
What is your dream NHL team
1976-77 Montreal Canadiens (60 wins, 8 losses, 12 ties)And of course, un autre Coupe Stanley
NY Rangers fan here... we've acquired Nash this year, Gabby should be back to health when/if lockout ends. We signed Gilroy back on our D (I'd give him a B the 1st go-around). McIIraith is coming along in the minors from surgery. Have you heard anything on Michael Sauer's concussion issue? What would you rank the Rangers overall going into this season (if it happens)...I think we're looking UNREAL!
I like the Rangers to win the East.But no haven't heard any Sauer news, been kind of busy covering something called the lockout :)
How can either side afford to lose a season
I NEED NEW YORK RANGER HOCKEY. WHY DON'T THE TWO SIDES ACTUALLY MEET?!?!?! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS. THE NHL DOES NOT HAVE AN INCOME LIKE THE NFL. IT CANNOT AFFORD A LOCKOUT. WE NEED HOCKEY. THE FANS ARE DYING!
you have been heard
Pierre, what are the chances that the owners honor the current player contracts. If that happens, will we have a deal?
there is a desire to do so from the league... now it's a matter of both sides hashing out a formula. Easier said than done, but I think it can be done
I run an NHL jersey business and just want to make it clear to everyone that (just like in any retail business), when you buy a product, about half the money goes to the retailer and the other half to the manufacturer (Reebok). Of that other half, 10% goes to the NHL. For those who believe that by not buying apparel you're hurting the NHL, you're not, you're hurting business owners and employees who work as hard as you do to earn their money.
Now that I am 100% sure the NHL will be locked out every few years, I will never buy another ticket in my life. Not another jersey, hat, shirt, or anything. Why should I support any of these idiots, owners or players.
Wish I could change your mind but I wouldn't know where to start
Have you heard any rumors that lead to the NHL and PA actually meeting soon? i know many season ticket holders who are beyond disappointed. the NHL needs to realize that the true long time fans are the ones that bring the most income. We are the ones that feel the most pain
I have to think the'll meet over the next 7 days as Nov. 2 approaches...
Pierre, I'm cranky too. Is losing the full 82 games such a big deal? I just want some semblance of a season.
It is if you're a player who wants 100 percent of his salary or an owner who wants his full 41 home dates
Do you think the owners are underestimating the effect of the economy now as opposed to 04/05 and the effect of another missed season on top of one 7 years Also knowing we will go through this again in 6 years might turn people off this time.
I don't think they are. That's why they made an offer last week. They want to make a deal
Haven't heard anything regarding amnesty buyout clause in the new CBA. Do you think there will be one?
At this point there isn't any. Instead, league's last offer permits teams to go over the salary cap all the way up to $70.2 million in the first year
Isn't it obvious that the Wild signed those huge contracts believing/knowing that they'd be rolled back? Total lack of good faith bargaining. Have the players considered/proposed that if contracts are rolled back that the plays can opt out to renegotiate? Seems only fair - why should Backstrom give a hometown discount for a long term deal and then have it cut even lower?
The irony in that is the NHL hasn't once asked for a salary rollback in any of their proposals.Yes, escrow would definitely take a shave off players' contracts, but escrow is divided equally among 30 teams. Where as a salary rollback like in 2005 (24 percent of all existing contracts) actually helps some teams more than others.
Now the Rangers have 3 home arenas. What a great day
Des losing Prust hurt the rangers.
getting Nash matters a lot more
Wouldn't the NHLPA be best served to encourage the biggest stars to go overseas? No stars = no product. So if Crosby and Stamkos and Parise all go abroad to play isn't that the ultimate bargaining chip for the players? Doesn't it show the owners they have so much less leverage than they perceive?
It does encourage its players to go overseas
Could you ever see a team move to Houston? Not a great hockey town, but get pretty big attendance numbers for a decent AHL team. Also if the puck drops, what are the chances LA repeats. Thanks!
Once in a while a league official will include Houston on a list of cities that are on the radar, but it is far behind the likes of Seattle, Toronto (second team), Quebec City and Las Vegas at this point
Do you think you'll ever witness a series between a pro Euro team and a pro N.A. team for hockey supremecy?
years ago I beat the drum hard for NHL expansion to Europe. An actual division of 6-7 teams based in places like Prague, Helsinki, Stockholm, Moscow, etc.... That's my dream. You don't have to explain off-side to a fan in those cities. They love hockey.
Pierre, I checked the EA sports simuluation of the locked out NHL season on the ESPN website and actually found myself annoyed that the Penguins "lost" to Vancouver this week, that the Isles and Habs are in first place, and that neither Crosby or Malkin are leading the league in scoring. That got me thinking, do we really need to have a season with the real players if we have a simulation? If TSN or NHL Network or CBC showed the simulated games in primetime with live studio analysts and normal coach's corner....tell me the hardest core fans would not watch this? And I am only partly joking....
I'm concerned for your sanity if you're checking that EA thing that closely ... haha
Poerre can't they split the "Make Whole" provision 50/50, 60/40 (whatever) ....lockout over. They are so close, but i am afarid egos and public perception of who won the negotions will get in the way of this deal. I dont think we will see hockey anytime soon. Hopfully Im wrong!
agree on Make Whole, I'm with you
Pierre! What are the chances the clause that keeps a player's salary on the team's books after he retires makes it into the final CBA?
I think there's a very good chance of it
Every player lately continues to state all they want is "their contracts to be honored" and they will go 50-50. Why haven't they prosposed this?
The players did just that last Thursday in one of their 3 counters. But the big caveat is that they wanted owners to fully fund the $600 million plus it would cost to pay for their Make Whole version
Just a point on the EA sports simulations. I've heard that in Columbus theres a sports bar is playing the live simulations regularly, they've brought in the anthem singer, and the radio play by play guys to do the comentary... Sanity is in short supply these days.
Really? Oh my Then again, I guess it would be more entertaining in Columbus than the real product they've had on the ice over the past decade
In honour of breast cancer month, we are seeing lots of pink worn by NFL players. Now, I just read that pink flags will be used by the officials for one game. Hockey equivalent: refs wearing pink helmets. That would be so awesome...
good idea !
Pierre,An actual hockey question here. What do you think the outlook is for the Kings (assuming there is a season) going into this season? I know how hard it is to repeat, but they are bringing in the same lineup from last year and will have some extra time off to hopefully avoid a hangover.
I've already said this last month but I believe the lockout will help the Kings recover fully physcally and mentally to fight the Cup hangover
Why not sign a 1-year deal, and then use this year to tweak everything to a long-term deal signed by next september? Then we would have a season and another long term deal.
League wants to get their long-term fix now
OK everyone, sorry for those I didn't get to, great questions as always. Hopefully next time we chat next week I'll have better news.Cheers all