Greetings all, let's talk hockey, or lack thereof
Do you think that the 2012-2013 NHL Season will be Cancelled due to a Labor Dispute?
I still believe we'll have a season but I'm not as confident as I was before
Great Job Covering this mess Pierre, I know it can't be easy watching something you love crack and crumble before your eyes ! How do you think this gets solved? any chance of meadiation and when do you think we will see hockey ? Keep up the great work! Hoepfully we get something going here soon!
There's still time... last time the season wasn't cancelled until February, mind you I think this time they'll pull plug before that... Mediation has been talked about but at this point hasn't been officially decided as an option
Pierre, Great work covering this ! Seems like I am the most despised owner in the league. Talks were going great when I wasn't there, and then I show up and don't want to get taken the bank and talks sour harshly. What should I do?? How can I make the fans not hate me anymore? I mean afterall I haven't raised concession prices in a while
Stay home next time
Isnt the baseball trade very convenient for the NHL takes the heat off for a few days
Sorry not sure what you're suggesting here, some bizarre connection between the Blue Jays and the NHL's head office?LOL, I want some of those drugs you're having !
Hi Pierre. I live in Cleveland, but get to a few games each year in both Pittsburgh and Columbus. As a customer of the NHL, it has become clear the only thing I have to make sure my voice is heard is my wallet. I want both sides to understand when this nonsense is over, I won't be back. Thanks for your time.
You have been heard, and I don't blame you
I read on Twitter from Gord Miller of TSN that 1 exec thinks the lockout is going to drag into next season. What is the NHL thinking? They obviously don't care about the game. Why own an NHL team if it's all about money? And are they really going to make money if there are no fans to support it? This is just insane!
Believe me, the last thing the league wants is for this to drag into next season. But they're not going to sign off on a deal they don't like. Same goes for the players. Just because they want to play doesn't mean they'll sign anything that's there... Still hoping/thinking next 2-3 weeks may bring us something. We shall see
The King's Alec Martinez's puck to the face injury is one more reminder of the risk playing abroad during the lock out. When the season finally begins, my take is that with the amount of injuries occurring to NHl players in Europe, they may not have that much of an advantage over the players that chose to stay here. What's your take?
I still think the guys that have been playing will have a step up.
Is there any sign that the sides are going to get together in the near future? I'm starting to get a little nervous about whether we will have hockey or not this year.
at this hour we still haven't been told of any scheduled meetings... that can change from hour to hour, but that's the news right now
At this point I have lost all hope, I am hearing from TSN that some people spoke to NHL execs and said this could wipe out the season. I was just wondering at this point how much hope (if you have any) do you have that something can get done? This is a real shame......
I work at TSN too :) We shall see, still time to make a deal but it certainly doens't look as promising as it did a week ago
Why arent the 2 sides meeting every day? Do they have something more important to be doing? Only thing I can think is more important is, oh yeah playing...
NHL's belief right now is that unless NHLPA willing to move significantly, league doesn't see point in meeting... we'll see if that changes in a few days
I miss hockey
You speak for millions
Do you think its possible this lockout will roll into next season too? I have no optimism anymore that we will see the players back on the ice this season. These negotiations have turned ugly and as a diehard fan its pathetic that they have let the situation go this far.
still betting we have a shortened season... just not as confident about it
A friend and I are in disagreement over Adam Oates as a HOFer. He says no-brainer, I'm just not sure. I wonder if Oates is more Hall of Great, not HOF. My argument is I don't ever recall him being one of the league's 10 best players at any point in his career and even though he had four 100+ pt seasons, his career avg was less than 60 pts/season. Who's right? If you want to rip me, I won't get offended.
Brett Hull told me Monday night that he believed Adam Oates was the most underrated star player in the history of the NHL. That seems good enough for me
Who would you rather watch...a healthy Pavel Bure (Russian Rocket) or Teemu Selanne (Finnish Flash)?
Can I get 'em both on a line together with a healthy Peter Forsberg centering?
Hi Pierre, I'll start with a big thank you for transforming from hockey analyst into a hockey therapist for us fans. It helps. I wonder about how Gary Bettman feels about his image in regards to other major league comissioners. Every person takes pride in their job and reputation, so how can it not in some way bother him that he is the face of the NHL (as a business) and his league looks like a joke among major sports leagues with lockouts twice in a decade. I know he has his marching orders, but this league is starting to look like a joke, which is a shame. Does he not care about the image of the NHL and by association himself?
I don't think there's any question the ''Three-lockout Gary" nickname hurts him. When we look back on this lockout, no question the league's opening salvo last July _ a brutal offer to the players _ will be seen as a monumental mistake that galvanized the players.
Actual hockey question - if we do play some sort of a season, you think this is FINALLY the year the Isles get back into the playoffs?
Do you think the NHL ownership will ever bring in replacement players to begin the season and put a bit more pressure on the players association. The NFL did it years ago and many players crossed over and three weeks later an agreement resulted
don't see it.
Do you think there are talks going on behind the scenes that maybe even insiders like you do not even know about?
It happens for sure sometimes, it's not something they've done yet in this lockout but it happened the odd time last time
The players should shoulder some of the financial burden for the lost season. They've lost a ton of revenue so how can they convince themselves that they deserve the guaranteed value of this years contracts ($1.883 B)? They should take a hit, just as the owners are. What are your thoughts?
They're not asking for the full $1.883 billion in a shortened season. Fehr told me last Friday night that once a new framework is agreed upon based on 82-game season, NHLPA is of course willing to negotiate what that means for shortened season
Pierre, this season is over. I'm sold that the only reason these talks are taking place and getting coverage is the hope that people don't totally forget hockey exists. This is a PR battle now. It's about saving face and pointing blame so when hockey does return, one side can say, "it wasn't our fault."
Hope you're wrong
If this season is indeed cancelled...but the sides finally agree and hockey is back for 2013 - 2014 season how would the draft work? Would the Oilers again have the first overall pick?
last time around the league put all 30 teams in a lottery (Crosby lottery) although clubs were given between one to three balls based on past performance over last three years...
What tunes are you jamming out to at the moment?
Got my ITunes going with everything in play. As we speak, Motley crue's Kickstart My Heart is playing
Hi Pierre,Do you feel as I do that once a drop dead date is imposed, the sides will get back together and we will have some urgency and a lot of activity? What is going on and why have the talks gone cold? Don't both sides realize that that they are doing irreparable harm to this league? :o(
Yes both sides understand the damage to their business, believe me, but they don't want to show weakness either...
LeBrun, love your work. Keep it up! Hypothetical: You're a prospective new NHL owner. Which city would you choose for your team and why - Seattle, Hamilton, Quebec City, Vegas, or a dark horse candidate?
My order of markets:1. Toronto (I would put a second team in Air Canada Centre)2. Seattle3. Quebec City4. Las Vegas5. Houston
Do you think that if the NHL managed to salvage a half-season similar to what NBA did, would the Russians players playing overseas even consider coming back? (i.e. Ovechkin, Bryzgalov, Kovalchuk)
Well technically speaking, they wouldn't have a choice as per the agreement between the KHL and NHL regarding player contracts. Now whether or not the KHL would enforce its own agreement? Who the heck knows
What are the odds an amnesty clause will be in the new CBA? I don't see how teams get under the 2013-14 cap without it assuming revenue drops like I would expect it to with another lockout.
As of right now the amnesty clause hasn't been on the table in CBA talks. The league's last official offer instead allowed teams to go over the salary cap all the way up to $70.2 M for the first 12 months as a transitionary way of dealing with new CBA
So Effin Mad!!! The NHLNHLPA doesn't seem to want a season... either do I... Maybe I'll care next year. So tired of this!
Try covering this every day !!!!!!
How hard is it to cover this lockout? I can barely read about it without getting depressed. I can't imagine writing about it.
Try not to
If players are willing to play in the KHL at a MAX of 65 percent of there current NHL Salary why are they unwilling to play in the NHL for what amounts to a lot more than the 65 % in the KHL. Besides the flight are a bit better
Rumors that Ovechkin could earn up to $18 million this year in KHL if he earns all his bonuses... Malkin north of $10 million tax-free...I don't know, seems like they're doing out just fine
Doesn't this end with the players accepting the reasonable make whole offer from the NHL and the NHL budging on the contract stuff? What are they waiting for when it seems so obvious.
I'm with you
Pierre, as a once "die-hard" fan, I can tell you that I'm taking this year off no matter what. I mean, I can complain and rant all I want, but if the league comes back and I just resort back to tuning in and attending games what type of message does that send? That the game I invest money in can totally disregard me while they figure out how to split millions of dollars evenly? No, I'm going to focus on my 9-5 job and choose to spend my time and money elsewhere. At this rate, I hope the NHL does come back and NOBODY goes to games. I'll wait until the summer when they figure out how they plan to make up for this debacle.
You have been heard
If there is lost season, what are the odds that we get hockey next year/season?REad on SI that Forsberg in HOF was a 60/40 chance, to me thatÂ's just plain stupid, he was the best player for 2-3 years in the NHL, to me he is a sure bet. Your take?
yes I think Forsberg deserves HOF nod
While both sides (NHL and NHLPA) both deserve all the hate and criticism in the world , in your opinion which side appears to be the lesser of two evils?
I've staked my reputation on staying neutral in lockouts and I will remain neutral
If no season is played, does a year a player's contact go by? Or does the Rick Dipietro era now end in 2023...
yes a year's contract goes by even if there's no hockey
Pierre: Thanks for all of your hard work during this time of utter stupidity. Got a quick favorite moment for each our HOF inductees? As an Avs fan, so many for Super Joe, but I still think handing the cup to Ray to raise first said everything about the man.
Covering Sakic at 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City is something I'll never forget. He was out of this world. Top scorer in the tournament and best player on gold medal champs. Best hockey of his career in my opinion
Is it reasonable for the PA to expect the NHL to improve their offer? From all accounts, the NHL don't sound very eager to make more concessions to the PA. So from the PA's standpoint, why lose more money - what is that going to achieve in the long-run? I know they talk about 'principles' but what do they expect to achieve from dragging this out?
Well I'm sure the NHL hopes the players read your post and believe it... haha. This is what high-pressure sports labor talks are about. Tick tock tick tock, who makes next move and who blinks first
I agree with that the initial offer was an insult to the players, and since then I feel that the NHL has made 1-2 more blunders when it comes to how they communicate with the players, like the 10 min pause to turn down the players 3 proposals. How much of a factor is that to the fact that we dont have a deal in tuning out the players?
Turning down the 3 NHLPA counters in 10 min definitely further galvanized the players... but NHLPA has also made some mistakes...Next 2-3 weeks huge in this process
I think if you're going to have Neely and Burke on the HHOF, both players with injury-shortened careers, you have to include Lindros as well
Hey, The Rochester Americans just beat the Hamilton Bulldogs 4-1 in a 10:00am game. It was a school day game with 10,000 screaming kids. At least someone is enjoying hockey!
that's awesome, love when AHL does that
Pierre, when/if the lockout gets resolved, will the NHL re-align as was proposed last year? I want to see my Wings out east more.
not right away, maybe next season
Okay so what happens first, a new CBA or your Cowboys winning a playoff game? LOL
Now that hurts :)
Hi Pierre,Am wondering whether the lockout is more about the global recession than actual revenues. In other words, do you think the owners are trying to get more money from the players because their other businesses are doing poorly? I can't help but think people buy a hockey team only after they've made their money elsewhere. And if they're losing money elsewhere then maybe they need more $ from their teams. What do you think?
Have to admit I'd never thought about that but it's certainly something that's worthy of thinking about
If the russians stayed home, which they wonÂ't, which top 5 NHL team owners would be most happy, Philly tops my list?
Ha, Philly for sure.... Got to think given their financial woes, maybe New Jersey as well?
Hey Pierre, do you think that there will be any significant rule changes like there were after the last lockout?
Nothing major... League hockey ops has been thinking about ways to improve the game during this lockout but nothing that will come out will be major like last time I don't think... General feelings around the game is that the game is better now
Pierre, they keep showing Ducks games from 2007 here and I am anxious for live action. Do you think the sides will eventually realize that they're not that far apart?
That's what it think, yes, that they finally get it done and save a short season
If there is a shortened 40 game season, which teams do you see that benefiting?
I'd say the older teams in the league
Kick Start Your Heart .... MAyvbe somebody should lend that to Jeremy Jacobs so He can Kickstart the hockey Season ... Maybe??
Ha... Now listening to Old Man from Neil Young...
If this lockout goes the full season, why are people already saying it could affect the 2013-2014 season? How do they know that?
Because once a season is cancelled, it takes pressure off negotiating right away... after season was cancelled last time, they stopped talking for a quite a while... in fact, they didn't get CBA done until it was so late that draft wasn't held until August of next year, real dangerous to delaying 2005-06 season...
If you put Crosby in Gretzky's era, and Gretzky in today's NHL, do you still think the gap would be as big as it is? For me, the hooking and tugging made the old nhl difficult but in today's game the goalies are much improved. Your thoughts?
Impossible to compare eras... coaching so much better today, defensive responsibility more acute today.... But for my money, Gretzky great player ever
Who should I start at my Flex spot this week in Fantasy Football? I'm leaning Denarious Moore over Reggie Bush, but also have Shonne Green...thanks!
I'm not fantasy football expert, my team is only 5-5 in our media league, hahaha
Do the owners really care about changing player contract rules beyond getting rid of the "cheat" contracts (like Kovy, Luongo, etc.)?
My sense is that what really matters in the end is implementing rules to carve out cap circumvention, like you say, the cheat deals
Who do you think will give in first? The Players or Owners?
hopefully they both do
I have already read articles that we will be back to this same situation when the new agreement is reached and it runs it's course in 6 years. There is a big problem and it looks like there is only going to be a band aid put on it. Do you agree?
yes that's of concern, no question. We have to stop the perpetual cycle of lockouts/work stoppages
Speaking of the Amerks, I was at a game last weekend and it was packed, loud, and a ton of fun. Pierre, do you have much experience seeing AHL games? Any favorite venues?
no haven't been to many over the years. I've gone to a few Marlies games here in Toronto but overall not many It's a terrific product though
When do you think is the latest a deal can be made to save the season? I know last time they cancelled it in February. Think they wait until January or will they cancel it sooner?
I could be wrong but my gut feeling says late Deccember
I feel your pain with the Cowboys, but what do you think the Stars could do with a shortened season?
They're intriguing team with the additions of vets like Jagr and Whitney. How Benn takes next step is important and is Lehtonen continuing to prove he's No. 1 material. I'm concerned about blue-line depth. I'd say they'd be in that 7-10 range in West
to start just wanna say keep up the work during the lockout! im sure writing and talking about the lockout everyday gets old.....with the NBA's new flop rule in place it makes me wonder what kind of effect this would have in the NHL, do you think there will ever be a flop-type rule in the NHL and do you think it would make an impact? i know its harder to determine an "actual flop" in the NHL, but the image of Mike Smith writhing around like a dead fish during the first series againt the blackhawks come to mind
NHL has already has a diving rule (unsportsmanlike penalty) but I know in summer discussions the league also talked about cracking down further on it
Three q answered, cant believe it:)In the past wings have found a few gems in Europe(Sweden) but it now feels as if everyone has a good knowledge about, for instance Sweden. This has coincided with the wings not being able to draft as well and dropping in the standings, is this a valid hypothesis and will the wings continue to fade?
The Wings have managed to stay among the most competitive teams in the league for two-plus decades without ever having to rebuild. Which is nothing short of amazing. But over time, that catches up to you in terms of never drafting high .... That time could soon come
I have an idea. They're not getting a deal done anytime soon, so cancel the entire regular season and just get a deal done in time for a 30 team playoff starting in Feb/Mar (last years Finalists getting a first round bye).
I like that, actually, LOL
Just wanted to second it. Wayne Gretzky is the greatest player ever.
What influence, if any, do the owners who are not present in the negotiations have on the league's position?
Lots. they're in constant communication with Bettman/Daly
Are you of the belief that the fact they are discussing contract rights right now instead of the usual HRR spilt and honoring contracts, that this signals lockout is in the final stages?
no, they're still not on same page on Make Whole _ which is huge part of this deal
Can we stop talking about expansion and start talking relocation? Move Phoenix, Columbus, Florida, Tampa to Quebec, Seattle, Milwaukee, Hamilton/Toronto.
Milwaukee? Never heard of Milwaukee as an option but I like it
Not sure if you are as big into junior hockey, but thoughts on Connor McDavid?
Incredible hands. He's the real deal
Do you think there comes a point where the season is so short the entire exercise, including the playoffs, is devalued? Should we just cut our losses and wait for next Octiber or still hope for second best?
yes, which is why I wouldn't want to see any season under 60 games. If I were in charge that is ...
I read a great article by your TSN collegue Bob MacKenzie the other day. The eligible candidates for the HOF are growing exponentially each year (due to multiple league expansions) which, in turn, is making harder to get that elusive call. Do you think the # of inductees will increase any time soon? I would think they would need to with all of the eligible high quality players coming up the next few years. Not to mention the numerous snubs that happen each year - Pat Burns, Phil Housley, etc. To me, the Pat Burns snub is inexcusible.
yeah great point. I'd be ok with pushing the max to 5 a year
How good can Mikel Granlund be? Is there anybody you can compare him too?
He was going to be my pick for Calder if there's a season this year, scouts are huge on him... but the way Schultz is playing in OKC, might change my pick for a shortened NHL season...
OK folks, appreciate you taking the time despite the soul-sucking nature of this lockout to still populate my chat once again this week with terrific questions. Sorry to those I didn't get to.Until next week.