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January 24, 4:00 PM ET
Chat with KC Joyner

KC Joyner
  (4:01 PM)

Good afternoon! Let's talk some football!

buckner (NY)

KC - What kind of Fantasy(PPR) upside does Crabtree have for the future. Could you see him as a Blue Rated guy at some point next year and beyond? Could he be in your top 12 heading into the season?

KC Joyner
  (4:01 PM)

It would be difficult for Crabtree to garner a blue rating (the highest rating in the guide) simply because the Niners aren't a pass-first team. Could definitely see him landing a green rating.

person (dc)

Isn't that what they were saying about Peyton Manning in 2010?

KC Joyner
  (4:02 PM)

Sure. And Manning's turnaround is a very rare occurrence. Not saying Brady can't do it, just that he is on a downward trend and needs to get better.

Frank (Minneapolis) [via mobile]

KC, three questions: would Percy Harvin be traded before free agency if the Vikings planned on signing one of the top free agent receivers (Bowe, Jennings, Wallace), what would be proper compensation for Harvin and which receiver would benefit AD the most in terms of not having to face as many 8-9 boxes?

KC Joyner
  (4:04 PM)

Hard to say on the first two questions, as there is a lot that will happen between now and then that decide Harvin's future. For which WR would benefit most, Wallace would be the answer since he is the best vertical threat of that group.

Mitch (NC)

KC, how are we going to see defenses evolve over the next few years to deal with running QBs?

KC Joyner
  (4:04 PM)

Look for more teams to employ read-option QBs as backups on their roster. Having that type of QB to practice against makes it a lot easier to play against that type of QB.

Paul (new jersey)

Who is the starting QB for the New York Jets in week 1 next year?

KC Joyner
  (4:05 PM)

Nothing like an easy question. The guess here will be Sanchez, if only because Rex Ryan doesn't want to have to update that tattoo.

Andrew (SF)

Outside of QB (Flacco, really), which player on each SB team is most indispensable to their success in a week?

KC Joyner
  (4:06 PM)

Depends on the matchup. This week it might be the practice QB for Baltimore. As noted before, it's hard to prepare for a read-option QB unless a team can face one in practice.

Pedro (Rio de Janeiro)

What are the best fits for a Revis trade? Mostly from a business standpoint, since Revis would be a massive upgrade for all other 31 NFL teams... also, what do you think the Jets can get out for him?

KC Joyner
  (4:07 PM)

It all depends on Revis' health and how convinced other teams are that he can get back to his old level. As far as best fit, the Patriots could sure use a shutdown CB, but that deal isn't going to happen. A healthy Revis could draw a low-end No. 1 pick in the right scenario.

Ben (PA)

Who made the best haed coaching hire this offseason?

KC Joyner
  (4:08 PM)

Believe it or not, it might have been Cleveland. It's always difficult to say which coach is going to transition best to a head coaching job, but Chudzinski relates well to players, has a great playcalling mind and hired two terrific coordinators.

Ben (PA)

KC, whats more likely with the QB situation in Philly? Chip Kelly finds a mobile QB to fit his offensive scheme, or just find the best QB available and develops a scheme around that player?

KC Joyner
  (4:09 PM)

Best available. Kelly will adapt his system to whatever talent he has (he's done that in college as well). Wouldn't be a surprise to see Foles under center in Week 1.

Derrick (Garden City)

Hey KC, is Jake Long worth the money or should Miami let him walk?

KC Joyner
  (4:10 PM)

He's not the dominant LT he used to be, but LTs are a rare commodity. If they can keep the price below the top-end of LT pay, he's worth the money.

Doug (MI)

Megatron is better than you.

KC Joyner
  (4:11 PM)

Well, I sure don't plan on trying out for the NFL at any time in the future.

Doug (MI)

...and Mike Wallace.

KC Joyner
  (4:11 PM)

And he is better than Wallace today. But today's Megatron is also a LOT better than the 2010 version of Megatron. That is a fact that should not be overlooked.

Bill Walsh (Twilight Zone)

should reading my book be mandatory for any front office/coaching person in the NFL; ty 4 the plug on my book on FB; :).

KC Joyner
  (4:12 PM)

Walsh's book is absolutely a must-read for anyone coaching at any level. Sure, it cost $150 or more on Amazon but the detail and depth of information in that tome make it well worth the price.

KC Joyner
  (4:13 PM)

And kudos to Seth Wickersham for writing that article. He's terrific at penning that type of material and hit a grand slam on this one.

Robert (Orlando)

Who's going to be Cleveland's starter at QB next season?

KC Joyner
  (4:14 PM)

Tough call. It would not be a shock to not see Weeden under center, although I think he would do a lot better in a Chudzinski offense, especially if the WR were upgraded. No QB is going to succeed with the WRs Cleveland was putting on the field last year.

AJ (Oakland)

Who wins in a footrace: Tom Brady or Vince Wilfork?

KC Joyner
  (4:14 PM)

Now that's just cold. Brady has slowed but he'd torch Wilfork in a 40.

Ben (PA)

Expaning on Kelly - Could Alex Smith be the perfect fit in Philly as potential long term or even a stop gap? Semi-mobile, right in his "prime."

KC Joyner
  (4:15 PM)

He could be a great fit. Issue would be that, if history is a guide, Kelly wants at least a certain level of mobility from his QB. Smith may not reach that level of desired quickness.

Mitch (NC)

Should Tebow try QB in the CFL or RB in the NFL?

KC Joyner
  (4:16 PM)

Tebow is actually a very good runner, as his vision and ability to hit the correct hole on running plays is top-flight. If he's up to playing RB in the NFL, some team should give him a shot at doing so.

AJ (Oakland)

The Bengals have a good young QB, WR, and defense. What are they missing to become legit playoff contenders? Or is it just giving them time to gel?

KC Joyner
  (4:17 PM)

They could use another top WR target. Dalton is good but in order for him to be great, the Bengals have to give him someone other than Green to attack a defense with.

Straight Cash Homie (Rand WV)

KC, I'm sick of all the media promoting this "win the SB for Ray" stuff. What about Randy Moss? This might be his last year and he is the 2nd greatest WR of all time. Where's the love?

KC Joyner
  (4:19 PM)

Not sure that the win the SB for Ray angle is ubiquitous, but that is a good point about Moss. He's been the proverbial good soldier in SF and topping his career with a Super Bowl ring is a storyline that should, and probably will, get some attention over the next 10 days.

Haloti Ngata (New Orleans)

Tom Brady couldn't outrun me..and Wilfork has a pick 6 under his belt...

KC Joyner
  (4:19 PM)

Well, he couldn't outrun Ngata while running sideways and looking behind him to see if Suggs was closing in. But Wilfork's pick 6 does show he has some mad ball skills.

mike (new jersey)

which receiver could the steelers target in rounds or 2 or 3 if they go defense in the first round?

KC Joyner
  (4:20 PM)

Hopkins or Austin look to be good fits for that Haley offense.

Ben (PA)

Is CK a top 5 fantasy QB next year?

KC Joyner
  (4:21 PM)

Probably wil have him on the borderline of that level. He'll run the ball more than most QBs but until he starts throwing it more, there is a ceiling to his upside.

Super Charger (SD)

The Chargers have put together a great coaching staff around Rivers. With a good draft could you see them contending for a SB?

KC Joyner
  (4:23 PM)

Sure, but a lot of it depends on if Rivers ever convinces himself that he can beat Peyton Manning. The entire Chargers team fell apart after The Sheriff brought Denver back in that comeback game. Until the new staff can convince the team they can best Peyton, San Diego will be a wild card playoff contender.

person (dc)

pardon me if you've been asked this before, but which rookie QB impressed you most this year?

KC Joyner
  (4:24 PM)

RG3 had my OROY vote since he played well the entire season.

Aron (STL)

KC, where do you see Sam Bradford progressing in this tough NFC west in the coming future?

KC Joyner
  (4:25 PM)

Bradford was one of the most impressive rookies I'd ever seen. Look for him to get back to that impressive level in 2013, especially if St. Louis can add just a bit more talent on offense.

TOM (MASS)

KC, did you notice the pats giving up in the 4th quarter. Heads were down and Brady had no fire in him on the sideline.

KC Joyner
  (4:26 PM)

They were demoralized at the end of the game, that's for sure. Brady also had some other times late in the year where he looked much less confident than he had in the past. I hope I'm wrong about his downward trend but there are way too many signs pointing in that direction.

Kelly (Iowa)

will Ed Reed be with the Colts next year.

KC Joyner
  (4:26 PM)

Is this a serious question?

mike (new jersey)

what about terrance Williams or cobi Hamilton?

KC Joyner
  (4:27 PM)

Two other good fits for the Steelers.

Jeff (Wichita)

What do you see Andy Reid's most important area to focus on for the upcomming season?

KC Joyner
  (4:27 PM)

QB. The Chiefs have a playoff caliber team in many areas. They just need to get solid QB play. Good thing that's Reid's main area of expertise.

Paul (Denver)

How much does Trestman's WCO benefit the current WRs on the Bears roster?

KC Joyner
  (4:29 PM)

Chicago just needs to get solid WR play out of the wideouts opposite Marshall. Trestman's system should be able to get that out of them.

Paul (Denver)

Have studied film on Alshon Jeffery? If so, what does your keen eye tell you?

KC Joyner
  (4:30 PM)

Jeffery has been on the tape reviews since his days at South Carolina. He isn't the cleanest route runner and has trouble getting separation at times, so a playcaller may have to do some setting up to get him open for big plays.

Joe (Philly)

Hi KC. How did your numbers grade the Eagles O Line last year? As a fan it was really hard to tell if the problem was the line, Vick or the playcalling.

KC Joyner
  (4:31 PM)

At times, the O line graded out quite well, especially in the area of run blocking. Having said that, when an O line goes through a slew of injuries, it is very difficult to keep up a consistent level of play. If Philly's O line is healthy next year, that fact alone would go far to improving that group's performance.

Scott (Northglenn, CO)

If you pro-rate Crabtree's numbers with CK under center, he's Brandon Marshall - 100 catches, 1300 yds, 8-10 TDs...is he really capable of that kind of year?

KC Joyner
  (4:32 PM)

As long as he's healthy, he's capable of that. Not saying he'll reach that level, but the talent is definitely there.

Big John Studd ((parts unknown, weight unknown))

Is Jonathan Stewart a breakout candidate next year? Assuming health of course. He adds more of a dimension in the passing game than DAngelo.

KC Joyner
  (4:34 PM)

Studd had a really cool post-career radio call-in show before he died. Like the idea of Stewart as a breakout candidate. First guess is he will end up top 25 on the RB FFB board and maybe a bit higher.

Aggie (TX)

Is there a worse run organization than the Jets? Now with this Revis news?

KC Joyner
  (4:35 PM)

The Jets don't look like the model organization in many ways, but the Revis news actually looks like a good move. Might as well weigh the options for what can be had in trade value for him.

matt (colorado)

which player does cobi Hamilton compare most to? terrance Williams?

KC Joyner
  (4:35 PM)

Depends on which Hamilton shows up, the 2011 version or the 2012 version. The 2012 version has some vertical capabilities the 2011 version did not showcase.

Joe (Philly)

I was happy to see you mention that 4th and 4 play in the article today. That had to be one of the worst plays of the year, shocking it came from Brady.

KC Joyner
  (4:37 PM)

Hate to say it, but he looked slow and somewhat confused on that play. Being indecisive has never been a Brady weakness but it was the case on that play and for most of that game.

Scott (Northglenn, CO)

What do you make of the fact that of all 14 new HCs, none were minorities? It looks bad even if it isn't...

KC Joyner
  (4:38 PM)

Most coaching hires are made either due to politics or money. Having said that, it isn't right that Lovie Smith was not able to land a head coaching gig given his long track record of success. Some team in 2014 is going to wise up and sign him and be quite that they did.

Jim Neidhart ((the Anvil))

Do you see this Jamarcus Russell comeback going anywhere? How did he rate on the key Scientist metrics?

KC Joyner
  (4:40 PM)

Russell graded out well at times in the TFS metrics. If he's cleaned his act up and can land with a team that can put a stable environment around him, it isn't beyond belief that Russell could become a quality NFL starter.

SonnyMooks (Brooklyn)

Why isn't Bill Walshs Book "The winning edge" available in e-book form ?

KC Joyner
  (4:41 PM)

I asked Seth if he knew of any plans to publish a second printing of that book in hard copy form and he said there are none that he is aware of. That being the case, there probably aren't plans to put into e-book form, either. Darn shame, as that tome would be a consistent year to year seller.

David Goldberg (University of Chicago)

If Dashon Goldson leaves in free agency this year, which looks to be increasingly likely, does FS become the biggest need for the 49ers? Or is depth at DE, for security behind an agin Justin Smith, still the priority. Also, while I'm not complaining, shouldn't teams have waited to hire coaches so that they could at least seriously considered the genius of Greg Roman. He has just as much football acumen as Jim Harbaugh and, I imagine, would be an appealing candidate for many teams.

KC Joyner
  (4:42 PM)

Regarding Goldson, if he does leave, the Niners can be glad the draft is chock full of quality safety talents. Regarding Roman, history shows that teams don't usually want to wait for the Super Bowl to end before hiring a head coach, so Roman's future potential in that arena may have to wait until the Niners either don't make the Super Bowl or after they rack up a couple of Super Bowl wins.

King Kong Bundy ((old country buffet))

I'll give you the count of three -- no, FIVE -- to answer this. How do you feel about the Arians hire? I think the cardinals job is less appealing because seattle and SF are set up for long-term success, and St Louis is on the rise too

KC Joyner
  (4:44 PM)

The five-count was one of the best angles ever! BTW, check out Bundy on Twitter - he's actually a stand up comic nowadays. Like the Arians hire but, as is the case with many teams, he's got to come up with an answer at QB. If he does, that team will win some games. If not, well, you know how that goes.

Alberto del Rio (my Bentley)

It is my destiny to get this question answered! Where does Vick end up in your estimation? Where would he flourish the most??

KC Joyner
  (4:45 PM)

It wouldn't be a surprise to see Vick not land anywhere right off the bat. He may want to wait until a team is in need of a starter and then parlay that into a good contract.

Craig G. (Fairfield, CA)

Hey KC, what is your favorite, most obscure metric to follow?

KC Joyner
  (4:46 PM)

Any metric related to special teams. That area of the game doesn't get enough attention.

John Harbaugh (Baltimore)

KC! I read the Countdown chats, and you've been pretty harsh in your criticism of my boys! In the words of Ice-T..."How you like us NOW?!"

KC Joyner
  (4:47 PM)

Had I known that Rahim Moore would decide to take a break on the biggest play of the year, I might have been more on the Ravens bandwagon.

person (dc)

from what you've seen, next year is manning more likely to be as good as he was this year or to have a 2010 favre type season?

KC Joyner
  (4:48 PM)

Taking the under for QBs in their late 30s is usually the best bet. The prediction here is Manning will have another very good season in 2013 but it will fall somewhat short of his 2012 campaign.

nick (california)

would you give up a first round draft pick for revis?

KC Joyner
  (4:48 PM)

Depends on the team situation. It wouldn't be a high-end No. 1 pick unless adding Revis could give the team an inside track to the Super Bowl.

Favre Lives (Twin Cities)

I disagree with your view on Revis. The JEts have one of the worst offenses in the NFL with no signs of improvement considering the cap situation. They will need to win with defense. Why trade your best player?

KC Joyner
  (4:49 PM)

Hey, I didn't say to trade him. But at least listen to trade offers. Heck, Al Davis used to listen to trade offers for Ken Stabler back when Stabler was one of the best QBs in the NFL. Doesn't hurt to keep all the options open.

Jake Roberts (somewhere not good)

I think that Ed Reed question was serious...he's coming back next year, the Ravens may move on, and he has ties to Chuckstrong. Colts could use his fire!!

KC Joyner
  (4:51 PM)

The Jake Roberts DVD might be the most depressing WWE bio ever. It's either that or The Ultimate Warrior or the story of World Class Championship Wrestling. It would be a shock if Reed was not on the Ravens roster next year.

Scott (Dallas)

KC, how does Vince Young not have a backup job? Do you think the new infatuation with the run option will change that next year?

KC Joyner
  (4:52 PM)

Terrific suggestion, Scott. Young could provide value as a backup and as a scout QB for read-option matchups. Assuming he is OK with taking on those roles for a team, that is.

AL DAVIS DISCIPLE (Oaktown)

Do you see Aqib Talib returning to NE?

KC Joyner
  (4:53 PM)

NE has the cap space to make him a good offer. As long as Talib is looking at the best overall situation for him and not just taking the deal that has the most money, the Patriots should have a good shot at retaining his services.

Andrew (SF)

C'mon, KC. I agree that the Ravens weren't good in the reg season and a bearish outlook was the proper assessment....but let's not pretend Moore's play is the only thing that has led to their success. 2 return TDs against them- you could say they easily deserved to win that game. They've played well.

KC Joyner
  (4:55 PM)

All that comment meant to say was that had Moore played the ball properly, we likely would not be talking about the Ravens having a shot at winning the Super Bowl. Let's not act as if they dominated that game the way the dominated the Patriots in the second half of the AFC title tilt.

Silver/Black (Dark Side)

Who was your favorite player as a kid?

KC Joyner
  (4:55 PM)

Hands down, Walter Payton. I can't even bring myself to read that recent bio about him because he still has hero status in the Joyner household.

Silver/Black (Dark Side)

Why do the Packers continue to be committed toCapers? The defense seems to get worse every year?

KC Joyner
  (4:56 PM)

Because he's an excellent coach when asked to create turnovers against pass-heavy offenses. That's what is needed to win given the GB offense and the state of the NFC North.

Razor Ramon (chico)

I may not have a DVD yet, but my story is definitely depressing enough...I haven't heard your SB prediction yet, have you made one??

KC Joyner
  (4:58 PM)

There is a video out that chronicling Scott Hall's decline and it is entirely depressing. It's worth watching but only if you are mentally ready to take on such a down note. Still kicking around SB prediction. Am leaning Baltimore but want to look at a bit more tape before the final weigh in.

Dan (DC)

Re: Brady this year. 4800+ yards passing, #1 offense, top 3 in MVP voting. Yeah he's really going downhill fast. Are you really basing this all on Fran Tarkenton???

KC Joyner
  (4:58 PM)

You know, the Tarkenton comment was about 75-90 words out of a close to 1,100-word article. Do yourself a favor and read the rest of it before commenting.

Ryan (Salisbury)

What do you think the odds are that a big name receiver comes to Washington in free agency? I assume they would be drawn to RGIII throwing them the ball.

KC Joyner
  (5:00 PM)

That is something that could draw the attention of FA WRs. Only issue is the FA WRs will likely want a shot at being the No. 1 target. That won't be the case with Garcon on the Redskins roster, so it might be a situation where Washington has to pitch the value of being a 1A player.

Barry Sanders (Detroit)

I'm thrilled Carolina retained Rivera. He took over a 2-14 team, drafted a QB, and has shownn improvement each year 6-10 and 7-9. Why would he be on the hot seat at all? do owners not understand things take time?

KC Joyner
  (5:01 PM)

Agree that Rivera deserved another year. He's got his work cut out for him this year, though, as Newton did not progress much in 2012 and now will have a new playcaller to adjust to.

Mark (RI)

What is it that Brady needs to get better at?

KC Joyner
  (5:02 PM)

Accuracy. Not getting rattled by the pass rush. Improving his speed (he looks to have slowed down).

Dan (DC)

Would love to but I'm not an Insider, lol. Why don't you answer the question? What leads you to believe after the season he had that Brady is going downhill?

KC Joyner
  (5:03 PM)

Well, I didn't answer the question in part because I want people to become Insiders. The volume of quality material one gets for the price makes Insider absolutely worth the price.

KC Joyner
  (5:04 PM)

Having said that, the quick answer is Brady showed some stat and tape-review declines this past year, especially late in the year.

KC Joyner
  (5:04 PM)

See the question two questions back for more specifics.

Mitch (NC)

Speaking of Carolina, promoting their OC from within seems like a great idea for me. Especially promoting the guy that has been working the Cam from the beginning. Thoughts?

KC Joyner
  (5:05 PM)

QBs often tend to struggle when having to change systems and Cam Newton has already gone through enough systematic changes in his career. Stability is good.

Tim (NH)

Do you find a lot of 35 QBs who can improve their speed at this point?

KC Joyner
  (5:05 PM)

Nope. Very few 35-olds physically improve in any area.

Dan (DC)

Stat and tape review declines? You're serious? Wow.

KC Joyner
  (5:06 PM)

Hey, I can't summarize 1,100 words in a quick chat write-up. Seriously, subscribe to Insider. It's worth it.

Barry Sanders (Detroit)

Every expert agrees that Stafford is not good with his mechanics and with better coaching could be great. With that said, why is there not more of a shake up in Detroit with some of the position coaches?

KC Joyner
  (5:07 PM)

It's likely because the Lions believe the 2012 season was an anomaly. If that is the case, don't shake things up for the sake of shaking them up.

KC Joyner
  (5:08 PM)

Well, it has been an interesting hour to say the least. Before hitting the road, want to mention that the TFS material is always posted on Twitter @KCJoynerTFS. Thanks again for all of the questions and I hope to see you all here next week!