Let's do this! Welcome to the Tuesday Boxing Chat (#TBC). It's a pleasure to be with you, as always. My favorite time of the week. Let's get right to it ...
Yeah! A little VH to open the chat. Can't go wrong with that. Thanks DLR.
I am a huge Mayweather fan, however, I dont think he was as dominant against Guerrero even though he clearly won. He has evidently lost a step. Maybe im just so used to this man being so dominant that this seemed like an okay performance for Money May's stature.
I really couldn't disagree with you more, Jose, although I will do so respectfully. I thought, if anything, he turned back the clock with that movement and hand speed on his counter shots.
Brian, how can anyone call Rigondeaux/Donaire a snooze fest yet go goo goo ga ga over Mayweather/Guerrero? That opinion reeks of bias to me.
I think the snooze references were more for that section of the fight (Rounds 5-9) where Rigondeaux was more content moving away from punches than landing them. I enjoyed it, but it's not for everyone. Mayweather on Saturday was much busier offensively.
Do you see rios being a legitimate threat to pacquiao?
Thanks for the question, Cain. I think Rios is always dangerous because of his motor and instincts to brawl at all times. Obviously I favor Pacquiao here. But how close this fight ends up being really comes down to whether or not the KO took a lot out of Manny.
Brian, considering May ppv #'s will go way down, is Pacquiao the PpV king again?
I think Floyd will likely see his recent PPV numbers drop, but I don't think this means it's all downhill moving forward. It's all about the matchups. That's why a Canelo fight is HUGE for Mayweather, in my estimation and I hope he takes it. As far as Pacquiao, an exciting KO of a crowd-pleasing fighter like Rios would help reestablish his brand, but I don't necessarily see him leapfrogging Floyd just because of one PPV below $1M (if the final numbers play out like some have predicted.)
Enough about Floyd's handpicked opponents, I want to talk about Manny's next handpicked opponent....I see this ending very badly for Rios, assuming Manny is not totally shot, which I don't think he is, as has was great in the JMM fight (1st knockdown doesn't count) until he was put to sleep.
I really don't think you can give Manny too much heat. This is a good fight and he's coming off a devastating KO loss. Was Rios chosen for specific reasons, yes. But let's see where he goes AFTER this. I don't have a huge problem with it.
In fact, I want to see it. Who doesn't like fireworks?
What's the PPV numbers pertaining to the Mayweather's fight last week? Also, do you think that a Pacquiao fight in Macau will generate a lot of PPV buys?
There's been no final word on the Mayweather PPV numbers as of yet, but people in the know have speculated it's looking to be below $1M. We have to wait and see, but I think it's clear it won't be up to the level of his last five bouts. And I do see this Pacquiao-Rios fight as one that will sell considering the exciting fighters involved and their fan bases.
Hey Soup!!! How's it going? I was wondering if you had to guess who would be Mayweather's last Five opponents left?
Haha. Thanks for joining the chat, Bron. No one knows for sure where Floyd goes from here because he calls the shots. But here's something to think about: If Saturday's fight did poorly as some have predicted and Showtime actually loses money after signing Floyd to the guaranteed deal, can they get him to go after matchups moving forward that move the needle better? And there is obviously two ways to do that. You either go after a vulnerable guy with a big fan base, or you go after a legitimately dangerous opponent. But there's only so many matchups void of even perceived danger left to Floyd that could sell.
Went to Movie Theater for first time for the fight and was surprised it was full. it was about six theaters in my area showing it and i pick this thinking it would be empty. It was nice experience. Was also surprised by the make up of the audience
Thanks for the report, KT. I always thought the movie experience for a big fight would be a real unique one and really hope to get a chance to experience that someday for myself. I actually watched Game 4 of the 2005 NBA Finals in a similar type of setting at a music festival (inside a closed tent on a big screen) and the atmosphere was just amazing. And if you remember, that was far from an exciting Finals pairing.
Brian, come on!!! This is handpicking, cherrypicking, pacpicking you name it. He picked Rios because Rios has no defense, can't counter, no head movement, and he made a video in disguesting taste!!! Why did Pacquaio did not pick Alvarado who just beat Rios????
I'm not saying you are necessarily wrong in your argument, Michael. But, again, the guy was just knocked out cold in one of the most violent endings to a major fight in many years. Some questioned afterwards whether Manny should ever fight again considering his age and the wars he has already been in. So I'm willing to cut him slack and give him a soft fight right after. And, again, despite the odds against him, Rios can't be exclusively labeled "soft." The guy comes to fight and if Manny has lost it, we will find out quick.
I am a large man....6-4 350 pounds. I have never fought professionally...in fact my only fights have been street fights. I am 32 and kind of out of shape. Think I could take Daniel Ponce De Leon?
Um ... no.
wuzz up brian love the chats. just wanted to hear your opinion on who do you you think deserves a fight with floyd now? im hearing names like amir khan, danny garcia, devon alexander......why should they get a fight with floyd and not canelo? i think floyd vs canelo would be epic
Thanks for the kind words, Alonzo. Canelo deserves to be the next guy and it's obviously a fight (especially with Alvarez being undefeated and coming off the breakthrough win of his career) that would sell a RIDICULOUS amount of PPVs. And, no, Canelo is not too big. Floyd has already twice claimed titles at 154 pounds. But it's the intrigue of Canelo's potential power that really adds on to the number of PPV buys and makes this such a grand event.
But many a fight has fallen apart on the negotiating table and if it comes down with Canelo offered Robert Guerrero money to fight Floyd, he probably isn't going to take it. Floyd has to want this. And if Saturday is an accurate representation of who Floyd is today at 36, he would beat Canelo. And he knows it. So it probably comes down to business above all else.
I know Dan Rafael has been very critical of the promotion for Floyd-Ghost....and might blame that for the possibility of low PPV buys....do you agree with Rafael that the promotion was very poor?
I don't think it was promoted as aggressively as previous Floyd fights so I agree with Dan on that. Floyd is also getting guaranteed money now so there might not be the same incentive to go get out there and bang the drum for it. Guerrero also took a step back from the spotlight after his arrest. It just appeared from the outside that more could have been done to get it out there.
How much of a favorite would floyd be against canelo if they do agree to fight this year?
I would favor him, for sure. But obviously Canelo has size/power in his favor, along with the fact that against Trout, he showed he can box and carry out a strategy more than maybe we thought he could. But you have to think the Floyd from Saturday would still be able to neutralize that.
Do you think the stoppage was premature with Mares-PDL? I realize the fight was essentially over....but it seems like PDL was still moving and throwing punches.
In the moment, I did think it was premature as PDL was still throwing back and looked like he had it together to a certain degree. But when you watch the replay and see that right before that, Mares caught him twice with devastating shots right on the chin, it's hard to blame any referee for jumping in to save a fighter from anything unnecessary. So I don't have a problem, all in all.
Hey Brian. What you think about Canelo moving up to 160 and winning titles?
I think you will see it eventually but I don't see why he would be in any hurry just yet. Staying at 154 also keeps him in the conversation for any potential big fights should a big-name 147 move up.
Give Mike Alvarado a fight. Give him one, Brian. Seriously.
Haha, it's out of my control at the moment. But like everyone else who loves a great fight, I'd be more than happy to see him against Ruslan Provodnikov.
Brian, congratulations on the chat and big thanks for calling on twitter/espn the other night's fights. Maybe I'm a bit off topic here, but how amazing does the Macklin vs GGG look to you? And who do favor on that? Thanks
Yeah, this guy Jokin with some nice words. Thanks man. I'm a big fan of this GGG-Macklin fight. Not sure I'd call it amazing, but it generally excites me. I favor GGG by late stoppage, but Macklin should help us find out a little more what Golovkin has inside of him.
Hey Uncle Drew from Ohio. I see your Floyd question. I'll get to it eventually. Please stop posting it. Thanks.
Brian, isn't PacMan - Rios a terrible match-up for Manny? Rios, for all of his limitations, is a beast. And Mike won the last fight because he boxed effectively moving backwards -- not exactly Pac's strength. While I agree it should be exciting, I see a brutal beating and late KO, a potential career-ender for the Filipino icon.
I think it's a tougher matchup than most seem to be reacting to it. I still think Rios is tailor-made for Pacquiao to use his style and get rid of him eventually. But I agree on your classification of Rios as a true beast. That's what makes the fight fun, even though he is coming up in weight again. He's going to empty the tank and we'll get to see right away what Pacquiao has left. Fun fight.
Hey Brian, I keep seeing all this praise being heaped on Abner Mares for the way he took out Ponce De Leon, but I really don't get why, I mean I thought Mares was winning however he didn't look amazing and was getting hit with some decent shots nonetheless, but in the end how big is a win against De Leon, the guy has beaten nobody great, and was knocked out in the first round by Juan Manuel Lopez. What's your take?
I have to admit I had been slow to fully come around on Mares and questioned some things about him. But Saturday did make me a believer. Maybe you don't love PDL, but Mares showed us some boxing in that fight and he clearly showed us his power is real at 126. The biggest reason why I am impressed is that this is three titles in three weight classes in 17 months. That's 17 months! And he has a top-notch attitude and wants to fight only the best and doesn't just hide behind this promotional war as reasons why he can't fight guys. He wants Donaire and Rigondeaux BAD and constantly talks about it and seeks ways to make it happen. I respect that a lot.
What is the liklihood of a Sergio Martinez vs. Mayweather fight in 2014?
To me, even with Martinez appearing to have slipped a bit in his last fight, this is THE fight that could be made in the sport. I still believe that and LOVE the matchup. As of right now, I still don't think we ever see it. But, seriously, if Mayweather WAS going to pick a time to do this and dare to be great by moving up to take THE middleweight crown (even in a catch-weight) the time is now. It really is. I hope we see it. I just don't think Floyd wants it or cares.
Hey Brian. love your chats. Question: do you think that floyd has re-found his legs?
Many thanks David and I appreciate you taking part. I don't know if it was the change in preparation and how much Floyd Sr. appeared to be preaching more rest during training camp or what, but it did appear that Floyd somehow got younger on Saturday. The quickness and anticipation was as good as I've seen it in years. He is the rare fighter who seems to really benefit from these long breaks physically without losing any of his timing. And maybe this exposes that the training camp leading up to the Cotto fight maybe wasn't held under the best circumstances with the jail sentence looming. This new Floyd seems a lot more at peace with a lot of things.
Floyd would never fight Sergio Martinez
Probably not. But MAN would that fight be good.
Do you think Santa Cruz s next for Mares?
I don't think next, no. But how great would that fight be? Think about it? I really can't think of two or three fights I would rather see and I was pleasantly surprised to read that Richard Schaefer was talking about it on Saturday. Oh doctor that's a fight right there.
And Mares might end up finding that he could be out of big-name opponents with Rigo and Donaire playing for Top Rank. So it's a matchup that seems logical as we move ahead.
FLOYD RAN LIKE A CHICKEN!!!
Hahaha. Man, how classless was that of Ruben to yell after the fight? You can always partially justify any of the pre-fight trash talking as being "part of the promotion", but this was kind of sad.
Santa Cruz vs Mares would b a war. Hopefully they can match em up soon
I'm with you Gabe. Sign me up right now.
What city has the best fight fans?
From my experience, it's Montreal.
What is the defining victory of Wlad's career?
That's a tougher question than it probably should be if you really think about it. I'm sure all of us were hoping Haye would've given him enough of a challenge so that he finally had one of these "defining wins." Because he really doesn't since winning back the title, I think you have to point to his first fight with Samuel Peter when he finally put the chin questions behind him and survived the three knockdowns. Let's face it, if he loses that fight, this long run probably never happens.
What's your record in street fights?
I'm very untested in the streets. It wouldn't be pretty for me.
As for Reuben Guerreo, 14:58...14:59...
Haha. I think you're onto something. He had a cool look going there for a while though.
Rueben Guerreo vs Angel Garcia. Who wins?
I've actually seen this get debated on Twitter probably more than it should have, haha. Right now I have Garcia by 2nd-round TKO. Am I wrong?
Does Floyd really believes he's the best because he never fights the best!
Here's my man Uncle Drew. Floyd believes he's the best, yes. It's not that he never fights the best, it's that he's intelligently selective in his matchmaking because of the clout he has. I said it on Twitter and I'll say it again: His defining wins post-140 are still Oscar and Hatton -- and they both came in 2007. If he retires after 2015 without having bested those, than he deserves criticism for not taking the necessary challenges over the second half of his career that are comparable to how great his talent is.
Hey Brian, nice little chat you've got here ;-) Rios is though match for Pac, just look at that right hand that stopped Alvarado in first fight. Unless Pac learns how to duck it, it could very well spell disaster for him...
Thanks Tek. Welcome, my friend. Rios has never really been a huge one-punch KO type guy, but is just so active and nasty in his attack that he overwhelms and wears you down. One thing you question is how much the power carries overall to 147 (although, obviously, Manny is a small welterweight). I think he is dangerous enough to make this fight fun, but not too dangerous where the focused Manny we saw at times in the Marquez IV fight doesn't put punches together and put him away.
Who is the worst fight turned commentator? Jameel McCline was pretty bad BTW, Dan needs to get back ASAP?
I think Lennox Lewis still holds that undisputed title, right?
Why don't more fighters fight busy fights at home between tv appearances it would help their profile?
You make a good point. Fighters on the top end just don't seem to fight enough each year for most of our appetites, so when they do, they look for the biggest showcase possible (usually Las Vegas). I always say that keeping busy calms down the critics who say you hand-pick your fights too much. You can take soft ones in between when you stay active.
I would like to see my nephew fight Amir Khan!
I hear ya, Roger. Don't count that matchup out for later this year.
Too bad Bute hurt his hand and had to bail out of the Pascal fight. Was looking forward to that.
I'm with you on that. This was breaking news in from Dan Rafael just as this chat started. I was really looking forward to that May 25 doubleheader on HBO along with Kessler-Froch II.
I see Floyd going to 49-0 vs the hand picked opponents, then, in 2020, a broke Mayweather and a broke Pacquiao will fight, in a new arena, that is yet to be constructed on the Wynn golf course.
Haha, interesting theory. I've been thinking a lot about Floyd's exit strategy lately. If he does go the route of considerably soft matchmaking for his final five fights, it obviously would leave him at 49-0 with a shot at maybe taking one more fight to reach 50-0 and best Marciano's "record" that isn't even a record. As much as critics would have a right to jump all over him if he goes soft down the stretch, that final fight has the potential to be a HUGE PPV event. Like gigantic. And if he saved a major opponent for that fight, it would be interesting. But long road to go before we get there.
And as far as seeing Pacquiao-Mayweather, obviously I'll tell you there's no chance, especially with the way things stand with the battling promoters and networks. But things to change over time. Who knows?
How can you say that Marciano's 49-0 is not a record ?
I mean it doesn't mean anything outside of how glossy it is and the fact that Marciano was a heavyweight and retired on top.
The old time fighters had to fight more often as they didnt get paid very much per fight.
You are correct. That was a major factor as to why things are different now.
How is 22-0 in championship fights 'calculated match making'?
It's a combination of finally facing guys when they are past their prime and avoiding others altogether. When you are the greatest fighter of your era -- as Floyd is -- you need a resume to equal it. Floyd has a very good resume, but there are holes in it. And part of that came from taking long 18-month breaks in the middle of his absolute prime.
Out of curiosity, why is it that the clear P4P #1 had to make the weight jumps to fight guys some of you want? Shouldn't guys come down to him, I mean it would be like asking the Miami Heat to play 4 on 5 to give teams a chance. Floyd shouldn't have to make concessions so guys get a shot, they should come down to him.
First of all Floyd doesn't have to do ANYTHING to please any critics. He's already beaten the game and established himself as one of the all-time great talents in history and maybe the single greatest businessman the sport has ever seen. But I am simply talking about taking challenges that other fighters in his spot have in an effort to dare to be great. Floyd can fight nothing but 147-pound guys and retire. It's his choice. He holds the cards and has the clout to make anyone bend to his terms or not take the fights at all. But that didn't stop Roy Jones from moving to heavyweight one time or stop Ray Leonard from challenging for the super middleweight and light heavyweight titles. Throw a catch weight in there, it's cool. But take some challenges to show how truly great your talent is.
If Floyd-Canelo 9/14 SHOPPV at MGM happens, does Top Rank move Marquez-Bradley?
I don't think they would go head-to-head with dueling PPVs, no. It just isn't smart for either and kind of hurts the sport.
Do you see Golovkin v. Ward in 2014?
First of all, I LOVE the idea of that fight and have gone on record in saying that if ANYONE has a shot at giving Ward trouble (and who really does?) it's GGG. Now, with that said, Golovkin has to prove himself and continue to raise his profile. But they both are featured players on HBO and it's something I really hope we end up seeing if Golovkin first can prove he is the top middleweight in the sport.
With Sergio done for 2013...what do you think JCC Jr's year will look like?
That's an interesting question. You wonder if he will go ahead and maybe take some softer fights as he angles to find the right PPV dance partner. I'd LOVE to see him against Golovkin, of course, but it probably isn't likely.
With all due respect Brian....all the fighters from Ray Robinson to Roy Jones legacy can be picked apart with a fine tooth and criticized. Why has he been #1 p4p for the better part of 5 years if his resume isn't good enough?He's an All-Time Great... just admit it.
Everyone can be, for sure. But Floyd is in a position that not all of these other fighters were. He truly controls the game and can call all the shots and do what he pleases. I think because of that it has allowed him to take a softer run than maybe he could have (or should have) taken. Guys in the past were given as much of a luxury. But there's also that other argument of whether Floyd should ever care. He has made a RIDICULOUS amount of money and hasn't been damaged by the marks that this cruel sport leaves on 90% of its participants. And all that would be fine if he wasn't saying things like "I broke all the records" and "I'm the greatest fighter to ever live", etc. You never want to look back and have to debate in your head "well, I'm sure Floyd would have beaten this or that guy" when you had a chance to actually have seen it happen. I personally think Floyd would have beaten all of them (Manny in 2009, Sergio right now, Canelo this year or next), but I want to see it so I can then label him as great as I perceive his true talent to be.
I would love Santa Cruz vs Javier Fortuna!!!!! Takers, anyone?!
I can get behind that.
Mr. Watson he never said Floyd wasn't great he said his resume lacked challenges.
Thanks for the backup, Rory.
GGG would be a showcase fight for Ward. Look no further than what Ward did to Kessler, who is bigger, stronger, throws harder, and has better movement than GGG. Ward could use that fight to leapfrog some guys in the P4P discussion. In my humble opinion, of course.
It would be a big win for him, no doubt. And I definitely would favor Ward. But Golovkin offers that rare mix of lights-out power and the lengthy amateur background and ability to box. That's a mouth-watering matchup, folks. Bang the drum with me.
Good explanation for why Klitschko-Peter I is Wlad's defining fight. But in a way, the Ibragimov fight is his defining fight, summing up the multiple ways in which we'll remember Wlad's career. It was an utterly dominant win over a quality opponent, and it turned off American audiences completely. What do you think of that as his "defining" victory?
Now that's a good point, my friend. No matter what Wlad does from here on out, he may never be able to shake the stigma about him being too boring and cautious, which came from performances just like that. Well done.
Hi, I am Perry, from Beans. Thanks for this chat...do you do one every tuesday?
Thanks for the support, Perry. I've been on a good role the past few Tuesdays. I hope it keeps up.
Adrien Broner vs Paulie Malignaggi! Am I the only person who thinks that Paulie WILL give Adrien some problems?! People who just watch boxing for the fun and dont know about weight classes and all should know that 135 to 146 is a HUGE leap! I still think Broner wins but Pauilie will show us what Broner is really about!
I think the same way now that I always have on this matchup. Paulie provides enough difficulty early where we really see Broner have to make adjustments and begin to show us how large his overall talent is. Then he starts to finally sit down on his punches late and gets Paulie out of there. If Broner wins, I think it will be the kind of victory that makes him better in the long run.
Does Sam Watson always come to your chats to defend Floyd?
Looks like that was a first-time appearance from Big Sam, but I hope we have him back each week to state his case, haha.
And by the way, I can't believe it took me this long to say this, but congratulations to Leo Santa Cruz on Saturday. Not just for the victory, which was spectacular in its own right. But he may have become the first fighter in history to have both Mariachi Skull Guy and the Watson Brothers in his corner during the introductions to a fight. Now that's representation.
*banging the drum* Ward vs GGG April 19, 2014! *continues banging drum*
Nice! I'll get the programs printed. In the meantime, someone tell Gennady to clean out the middleweight division first to make this fight possible.
Do you feel Floyd is almost obligated to fight Canelo and if he doesn't will it come down to floyd ducking Canelo?
I think there are a lot of unanswered questions financially that affect this matchup more than any "Floyd is scared" type of angle. I also think we have the potential of another Mayweather-Pacquiao situation if this fight gets delayed and in the meantime, Canelo continues to climb the ladder rapidly and enters the P4P discussion and starts calling him out. How many times do you get an unbeaten guy in and around your division who has a MAJOR fan base and can make a case to be a Top 10 guy (not to mention things make sense in terms of promoters) and you DON'T take the fight. We can't blame Bob if this happens.
Which is why we need to give Floyd a chance before we start saying anything absolute.
People were saying how jail and the time off plus the way he looked against Cotto might b Floyd slipping but he looked great against Guerrero. The way he fought would u say this was one of his best performances?
Without a doubt I believe that Saturday was one of his finest performances. Don't forget, there were some major pundits predicting Guerrero would either win or lose in a close, great fight. And it took Floyd exactly two rounds to completely figure him out.
I'll advise GGG of your wishes BC....
Haha. Excellent. Nice seeing you here, Bern Man.
All those people in Santa Cruz's corner, and nobody to brush his hair!
I was hoping Mariachi Skull Guy was going to light up his cigar for him afterwards, Mayorga style.
Has Chavez Jr or Canelo ever been down?
I don't recall either of them going down, no. But let's throw it out there to everyone ...
Is Andre Berto done? I'm a huge Mayweather fan, and I see Broner being the new Mayweather when he retires. Your thoughts?
Nah, that ship has sailed. Berto's second pro fight was actually the first live boxing event I ever attended as a fan and I was blown away by him. Something was just missing, in the end -- a disconnect between his actual talent and his performances in the ring. Part of it was being too in love with trading shots when he fought top-end guys and the other half was getting too much too soon on HBO during his early Haymon push.
Please tell me you weren't the "expert" who had Floyd ranked 4th in the ESPN P4P rankings a couple weeks back?
Haha. Heck no. Floyd has been No. 1 on my personal P4P list for as far back as I've kept personal P4P lists. That's the thing people don't get when they get angry -- I'm as big a respecter of his talent as anyone. And BECAUSE of that, I want to see it matched against the best and most dangerous opponents of this era. Any true fan of his should want that.
Do you not believe that Gennady can clean out the division Brian?! Who do you believe poses the most threat to that not happening?!
No, I clearly believe he can. But you have let it play out. The mythology that follows GGG right now is unreal. He's talked about like he has super powers. And I've been on the front lines doing a lot of the talking. But the truth is we still haven't seen him in there with a real top guy yet.
Brian, in my honest opinion, I think Canelo is entirely too big big for Mayweather. Come fight night, Canelo rehydrates to 170 lbs. or better, Floyd, maybe 152 lbs. With all of the talk of calling out and talk of fighting Mayweather, why don't Canelo go up and fight Sergio Martinez at 160 lbs., or maybe even Andre Ward at 168 lbs.? Those guys seem to be more his size then a 152 lb. Mayweather.
That's fine. Yes, there will be a size difference. But that's a huge part of the intrigue of what makes the fight so compelling: Floyd's all-time great speed, defense and counter-punching against Canelo's size, power and unknown ability to adjust. Mayweather has twice held titles at 154 pounds so this isn't too big of a stretch by any means.
Brian, considering how Estrada defeat Brian Viloria, does it raise the (already high) stock of Roman Gonzalez? Anyone a rematch at flyweight?
Great call Jokin, and I believe it clearly does. Estrada is a bad, bad boy and the fact that Chocolatito was able to hold him off in a very fun fight, definitely hammers home even more that Gonzalez is a pound-for-pound entity right now. I would love to see it again.
brian which are your perspectives on matthysse peterson fight?
There will be lots of action and the "Demolition Man" will win by late TKO in a very entertaining and tough fight. Matthysse is on too hot of a streak right now.
Whos your pick for Maidana vs Josesito?
Holy sackatoga do I love this fight and I have Maidana in the end.
If I can answer Kason's question, its personally IMO because Floyd has fought greats (after their prime to some) at 154 and Canelo wants to show what he really has! Leave it to Canelo to be the one to outdue Floyd! Even if Canelo loses, he can make his legacy and Floyds legacy much more!!
Good way to put it. Everyone wins. Unless, that is, Floyd doesn't offer him enough of the cut and Canelo keeps walking. I hope we don't end up there.
Who are the 5 mostlikely candidates to box Mayweather in his 5 match contract hes currently involved in?
Good question. It depends of course on how other fights play out and who develops as a worthy candidate. It also may depend on how well or not Floyd's fights sell as we move on. But I'll say this, I would rather have the next five include one or more of this group of names (Canelo, Martinez, Broner, Matthysse) than I would three or four of this group (Alexander, Garcia, Khan, Peterson, Malignaggi).
Whos your pick for Lara vs Angulo??
That's a fight set up for Lara to do what he does best and win with clean counter shots. But he's got to step up his level of activity a bit more.
Even with PPV money, can Showtime even afford to pay Mayweather his $30 Million AND pay Canelo what he's worth/wants?
Another great question. Makes you wonder how much they are dipping into the CBS fund to make this happen.
Arrived at the chat late and shocked to see people rip Pacquiao for picking Rios. Guy just got cold KOed... I'd accept it if he fought a random 19-0 prospect! Cut the dude a break.
I couldn't have said it any better, Chris.
If Sergio can make 150 like he was saying a year or two ago, then Mayweather really doesn't have much of an excuse other than, well, an excuse
I think those days are gone of Sergio offering to make 150 or 152 or whatever. But if he gets himself healthy, you would think going back down to 154 for a major fight wouldn't be ridiculous. Floyd would have a LOT to gain from that. The REAL middleweight title to add on top of his accomplishments and a fight that would really sell. Plus, Martinez finally shows some real vulnerability and age. But who knows if it is even possible as Sergio is an HBO guy and Mayweather has the Showtime deal. The reality of this sport always brings on the heartburn sooner or later. Remember when guys would just fight to see who was the best?
Brian, I saw you mentioned "the Watson brothers"? Are those the two black guys that are in practically every fighters corner at the introductions? What is their significance? Who are they?
They are Brandon and Marcus Watson and are brothers that are three years apart (not twins, like many assume). Brandon was a MLB player for a few years, as well. But they are the sons of Sam Watson and all three work for Al Haymon.
Maidana v. Lopez, "The battle of fighters who made ortiz quit on his stool"
Now that would make a great t-shirt.
Canelo was down against Cotto's brother
No, he wasn't down. But he sure took a flush shot to the chin.
5 next opp for pbf in this order khan, Garcia , canelo, matthysse, and that knock off broner. Good call? Bc?
That would be awesome, obviously. Could you imagine how good a Mayweather-Broner fight would be in two years? A true passing of the torch type of fight.
Now Darchniyan is w/ top rank, do you see him rematching wirh Donaire later this year?
That is a very realistic possibility. Darchinyan still makes fun fights and probably always will. Love watching him fight.
And Bob Arum is a genius. Pacquiao will stop Rios late, Marquez will do ungodley things to Bradley before stopping him and Pac/Marq 5 will be a monster event. And he still may make Rios Alvarado III a PPV. Four great fights and lots of money all around? Whats not to love?
I could see that happening. Although I'm still not sure how Bradley-Marquez plays out. I usually have an instant reaction as to who I think will win every fight and I still can't get my mind around that one completely.
brian don't you think vera has the style to beat chavez more than murray??
I love me some Vera and he's one of my favorite guys to interview but I don't see him beating Chavez, no.
What does Manny do if he does indeed get passed Brandon Rios in November?
A Pacquiao rematch against the winner of Bradley-Marquez would be a great fight that would do very good business in my mind. That is, unless Bradley looked really bad in winning or won a decision he didn't deserve.
Sad note... on this day six years ago, Diego Corrales died as a result of his motorcycle crash. Rest in peace, Chico.
Great call, KT. Very sad day. I was on my honeymoon in Mexico and it was the front-page story in the local paper there that day. All I saw was the name Corrales in the headline in Spanish and a picture of the banged up motorcycle. Very sad.
Provodnikov almost stopped Bradley with only one weapon. You don't think that the best combination buncher of the generation who's coming off a KO of the iron jawed Pacquiao can find him and put him to sleep?
Well, Bradley has already proved he has RoboCop's chin. But I also wonder which day Marquez will end up looking old. He had a LOT of motivation to come out in that last Manny fight and finally beat him. One of these days he will be flat.
The fights we could have witnessed around 2007-2010 with prime Cotto, Williams, Pac, and Mayweather... sigh
I'm with you on that. Floyd took the necessary breaks he needed from the ring to build his crossover brand with appearances on "Dancing With The Stars" and in the main event at Wrestlemania. But after the Hatton fight in Dec. 2007, he fought just once in the next two and a half years while his division was STACKED with talent. And his one fight during that stretch was against a lightweight fighter coming up two weight classes. To have that break and not come back right away with huge challenges hurt him in some people's view.
Its easier to call them the Watson twins, even though they aren't twins.
I actually agree with you completely. I was disappointed in that sense to find out they weren't twins. It has a better ring to it.
Also on this day... but eight years ago... Corrales met Castillo in their first epic encounter. What a fight.
Oh yes. That was THE fight. And I hate my story for that fight. I was pumped up for this thing for months in advance. But the day of the fight I asked my two roommates if they would watch it and they both declined and claimed the TV. So I drove the nearly hour ride to my sister's house considering she had a HUGE TV and every channel. It wasn't until I got there that I found out she somehow didn't have Showtime. I was so disappointed but it was too late to turn back. I ended up watching, of all things, a replay on cable of the Riddick Bowe-Billy Zumbrun fight that was part of Bowe's ill-fated comeback. Then I got a text about an hour later from one of my roommates that said: "You just missed the greatest fight we've ever seen."
Can we expect Zou Shiming to be on the Pacquiao v. Rios undercard?
That's a great question and I wondered that myself last night upon the announcement of the location of this fight. It wouldn't be a bad idea to give him a showcasing spot as the co-main.
Is Cotto even a legitimate opponent for Canelo these days? It has been a while since he won a fight. If he gets the fight vs. Canelo in Texas, it would be simply for a payday.
You obviously have to favor Canelo to get past him considering we saw Cotto fade against Trout and has clearly been through the wars. But I don't think it's a complete wipeout like some. Cotto still has so much pride and experience and should be able to make this a fight for a while. It's definitely a passing of the torch kind of fight in its own right, but I don't think you can just dismiss it. Canelo has size advantages and should come out with a statement win, but he also might learn a few things about himself in the process.
the JMM excuse guys have made it up 2 weight classs before and Broner is doing it now or do you mean going up 2 weight classes and then facing a superior fighter
I think Floyd would have beaten Marquez at any weight class so let me get that out there. But obviously, unlike Broner who clearly has the body frame that makes a weight jump like that very easy, Marquez had somewhat topped out at 135 at that point. He took the fight with Mayweather and made the move up but didn't take the time to build out his body the way we saw him in the last Pacquiao fight. And to top it off, Floyd had no intention of making the catch weight and bought extra pounds on top of it the day before the fight for $600K. When that is your only fight in a two and a half year stretch of your absolute prime, I don't think it's ridiculous to criticize it a bit.
Who would you favor in a Khan vs Alexander fight?
That's a matchup I really like and one I haven't necessarily thought about. That's a pick 'em on my end right now.
dan rafael said thar the pac-rios fight will be $4 on PPV in China. how will it make big sales on PPV that way??
Whether that fight is in China or Las Vegas, people in this country will buy it on PPV in large numbers. Rios also brings in a strong fan base. Lots of potential there.
Marquez/Mayweather on their best day at 135 coulda been something.
Agreed. I still like Floyd, but that would have been a classic.
Also on this day, but last week: Ruben Guerrero wore the shirt that he decided to wear the entire Fight Weekend
There it is folks ... we have a winner! There's your line of the chat.
Better chin: Chavez or Khan?
Genghis or Amir?
So the same roommate who claimed the TV actually ended watching the fight? What a ?!?!?!bag!!
Yes, a very sad story. We are still best friends, however. Haha. I doubt he would remember either. But man that still sits poorly with me, haha.
Dang, Gerald! And I thought my history nuggets were getting me somewhere...
Gerald is your clubhouse leader for MVP of the #TBC.
Better chin, Rafael's newborn or Khan?
If Pacquiao beats Rios he'll most likely get the winner of Bradley Marquez?
I would assume so.
BTW, nice long chat here. Approaching Rafael level. You know the Fight Freaks love it.
Appreciate the love, but I could never approach that man's longevity. He is a legend in these parts, haha.
If Chris' scenario plays out, you're looking at 1.5 million+ nuys. That would be awesome.
How's that for quick math?
Hey Brian, If I'm Floyd I would fight Canelo next, not later. I think it's a winnable fight for Floyd now because Canelo is only gonna get better and better.
I support your theory, Peter. I wouldn't want to wait until Canelo is top 5 in the P4P list.
Still no answer for "coldest fight ever"? All of my friends laugh about that.
Haha. I've been wondering where my man Chris Fiegler is. Not sure I've seen his name pop up yet.
Do you think that Floyd Meryweather will beat Rocky Marciano's Record?
Wait ... there he is! This guy Chris Fiegler. It was the second question of the whole chat. Thanks for joining us. Do I think Floyd could run his record to 50-0 and retire claiming to be the greatest? Yes I do.
For the record, I am NOT Chris Fiegler.....
Thank you for clarifying. I never believed it to be the case.
That awful realization that, if Paulie beats Broner, we might get Paulie/Floyd in the last 5
I had the same exact moment on Sunday afternoon while raking leaves in my backyard. Yup. That just happened.
If only Khan was 6'7, he would be able to compensate for his weak chin like Wladimir Klitschko.
If Bradley boxes instead of trying to brawl with Marquez do you think he pulls out a decision?
I think he has a shot, yes. I am starting to love that fight more and more each week.
You need to pick better best friends my dude! haha
Haha. No way, that guy is the best. Just a bad moment. I'm sure I've done equally worse back to him many times over.
Had his story not ended so tragically I'd have liked to have seen Valero vs Matthysse. That might of been the Corrales/Castillo of this generation.
I just fist-pumped involuntarily upon reading that. So ... yeah. I'm with you.
Thank you Brian!! For making me feel sane! Im not the only one who wants to Matthysse and Floyd!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh no. We are blood brothers in this one.
What's your take on Terrence Crawford as a prospect?
I'm a lover of the chess match when it's done on an extremely high level (Rigo, Floyd, etc.). I really liked what I saw out of him in his last fight and hope to see more.
holy sackatoga!!! LOLOL
Hi Brian! Love the chats. There really doesn't seem to be too many options for Floyd if he does fight in September. The only ones I could even imagine happening would be Alvarez, Kahn, or maybe Alexander. Thoughts?
If he doesn't face Canelo this fall, it will be interesting. By fighting Garcia, it would mean that Golden Boy goes against what they've been saying, which is that Garcia gets the winner of Matthysse-Peterson. If that's Matthysse, then it's another dose of hard luck missing out on the one fight he wants above all. I like the Khan fight just because to me any Khan fight is must-see, but obviously many will feel Khan doesn't deserve it as he hasn't looked great in the two fights following his two defeats. So where does Floyd go next? Devon Alexander? Let's just make this Canelo fight a reality.
If Floyd fights Alexander, the fight may sell 500,000. That would be just horrible.
Can't say I disagree with you.
I would watch Matthysse fight a dude outside of a bar. And FYI, I desperately wish I was at the bar when Amir Kahn wrecked those four guys trying to jack his Range Rover...
Haha. In this day and age of cell phone cameras, it's amazing we haven't seen footage of that yet.
If Floyd were to beat Canelo, would that be his best win in his career?
It would be a good one against a bigger guy in his unbeaten prime (I know Canelo is just 22, but he's been a pro for almost eight years). I still think the best win of his career was the dismantling of Corrales.
Alexander and Bradley do not belong anywhere near a PPV.
How about against each other? Haha. You ready for the rematch live from the Silverdome?
name the fighters that floyd is accused of ducking that aren't top rank fighters?
It's not so much outright ducking as it is sometimes fighting them outside of their primes when a fight could have happened years earlier (Cotto, Mosley). It's the perceived reality of regularly taking a path of less resistance disguised as a difficult challenge.
Do you think Stevenson's decision to go with Dawson was the good one ? Obviously, he was the mandatory to go for the title a SMW. Do think it's a dangerous fight for Adonis...
I love that matchup. Dawson should be favored, but Stevenson's power and motor makes this so compelling. I don't think it's dangerous for Adonis. He's going for it and making his move. I think it's Dawson who has the pressure to avoid his power shots and come through with a strong performance as the better boxer.
How little do you think of your sister that you chose to watch a Bowe-Zumbrum fight over spending quality time with her?
Haha. Now there's an interesting spin to whole Corrales-Castillo debacle story and one I never really considered. Maybe I do need to call my sister and make things right. Good point.
What about Floyd vs Khan or Alexander on CBS for sept 14th????
Now that's an idea I can not only get behind, but one that I wish they would do and use that platform to set the stage for his next big PPV. But there are a lot of numbers and dollars that need to be weighed out. I do hope in the end we see a Floyd fight on CBS.
Joe with the best question of the day!!
That is some award-winning stuff right there. If Gerald is the MVP of today's #TBC, then Joe is the runner-up.
Joe, good sisters of fight freaks just understand...
I think they do. You're right.
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