Yeah! It's that time again, folks. Thanks for taking part and welcome to this week's Tuesday Boxing Chat (#TBC). The floor is all yours. Fire away and let's get this thing started ...
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Yeah! That's three in a row I think with a DLR comment to get things going. Nice. Haha.
Hello Brian, I finally have something to look forward to on Tuesdays with your chats! Although it's sad to see him still fighting, Mosley fights Cano this weekend. How do you think that's going to play out?
Many thanks Tony. I'm happy to fill that spot in your week. It is sad to see Mosley keep going and I'm definitely not for it. But with that said, I'm kind of intrigued by this matchup. It's become a guilty pleasure just thinking about it. I think Shane can win this, but will ultimately drop a 12-round decision in a decent fight.
Hi Brian, do you think there will be a knockout or at least a knock down on Saturdays fight between Matthysse and Peterson? How do you think it'll play out?
Great question, Luis. I really am expecting action. Peterson has just evolved into this difficult boxer who loves to take chances -- maybe even the kind that his chin and power can't necessarily back up -- and he puts himself into some very exciting and dangerous situations. But he has just enough talent to get out of them. I could see Peterson getting knocked down and even winning in the end, like he did against Khan. But my pick is still Matthysse by late TKO. The "Demolition Man" is just too legit.
Are you a member of #TheMoneyTeam?
I'm still waiting for my t-shirt, sadly.
hi Brian, what's your prediction for Peterson v Lucas?
Officially it's TKO-10 for Matthysse. I think Peterson makes it a close, fun fight and wins some rounds. But he'll be too brave for his own good in the end.
When do you think Ruslan Provodnikov will be back in action? And does he get another TV date from HBO or Showtime?
I'm hoping we will see him paired with Mike Alvarado in an HBO fight in Denver. I don't know if it plays out that way, but that matchup clearly has my blessing.
floyd totally ducking Canelo... I wanna give him benefit of doubt but this the second time that floyd does this. 1st Manny now Canelo and to make matters worse these are winnable fights for floyd
As the very smart and witty Scott Christ of Bad Left Hook tweeted out yesterday, by Floyd making an opening statement like this of basically 147 or nothing, it says to me he doesn't want that fight. Plain and simple. I have to agree with him.
Whats next for danny garcia? anyway there's a unification bout with the i.b.f champ?
Unless Danny wins the Mayweather lottery (which is still a possibility) you will see him face the winner of Saturday's Matthysse-Peterson fight. That's a fight that needs to happen so we can truly identify who is the man at 140.
Been having this debate with co-workers, is a straight right hand a power punch?
It sure is from an orthodox fighter.
Soup! Time for your weekly history nugget? on this day eight years ago, Winky Wright dropped a 12-rounds-to-none boxing lesson on Felix Trinidad. This was right after Tito came back from retirement and blew away Mayorga. Aside from the knockout, I think Wright?s performance against Trinidad was better than Hopkins?.
My man KT! Great to see you back in the chat. It was more thorough of course than B-Hop's, but I can't agree with you that it was better because that clearly wasn't the same Trinidad in that fight. In fact, Tito's victory over a blown-up Mayorga proved to be a bit of fools' gold that Trinidad was really "back." But I have fond memories of that fight and Winky's DOMINANT performance. I also thought Trinidad's hair was fantastic that night. I only wish we saw more of that.
If you're Canelo's manager, what do you tell him? Agree to 147 or choose another opponent and let Floyd come crawling to him when he can't make 1 mil PPVs with anyone else?
I don't think Canelo can come anywhere close to making 147 anymore. He hasn't done it since he was 19. Some form of compromise would have to be agreed to. If I was handling Canelo, I wouldn't allow him to be put in a spot where cutting down too much left him compromised. It's not worth the payday at that point.
Memo to Floyd: 154 was good enough for you against Cotto. You won a championship at that weight. Man up, Buddy. If you want that "and 0" to have any credibility...
I have to agree with part of what you say. And it's not that I'm saying the weight doesn't matter. Yes, Canelo packs on the pounds the day of the fight and would have a true weight advantage once that bell rings. But the thing is, that's THE selling point that allows that fight to go above $2 million PPV buys and I don't think it would matter in the end. Floyd is just too good and this potential victory would silence so much of the chatter out there about him failing to dare to be great.
By the way, I hear Stephen Espinoza (SHOWTIME) is still counting the PPVs, LOL
Yeah, I'm interested in hearing the final numbers.
Ever follow College Boxing?
Can't say that I have. You?
Hey Brian, love the chats!!! Once again i have to disagree with you. When Pacquaio ask for catchweights, he NEVER received any scrutiny, but allegedly Mayweather asked for a fight with canelo at 147, he's ducking canelo (who didn't beat trout in my opinion). Why is there such a double standard with the media concerning mayweater and the catchweight king Pacquaio?
Thanks for the love, Michael. I want Floyd to take this fight at 154 (where he is a two-time titlist), but I'm not saying it has to be all or nothing, 154 or bust. He's the bigger draw. If it HAS TO BE where it's a catch weight and it's 152 pounds or the fight doesn't happen, than so be it. Let's just make this fight happen. When Floyd says 147 or nothing, it proves he doesn't want this fight.
And I don't necessarily think there is a double standard about Pacquiao in this situation. First of all, he came from a much smaller weight class to start (106 to 130) than Floyd did, so it was a much bigger stretch for him. But Floyd's fans are acting like going to 154 is comparable to asking him to fight at heavyweight. Give it a break. He is a defending titlist in the weight class.
Will somebody please sign one of Austin's very own...James Kirkland to a contract!! Please!!
I just want to see him fight again. Maybe I'll get out there and promote him. First fight: rematch with Angulo.
OK, let's try this: Negotiating a fight with Floyd is like negotiating with the NBA relocation committee. The demands are always changing until they get their way.
And he has the right to do that, by the way. Oscar won EVERY SINGLE stipulation when he fought Floyd, from size of ring to gloves to the actual weight. You get that power when you are the bigger bread winner. But in this case, if Floyd isn't even willing to work with a catch weight, than it's ridiculous. It's the Pacquiao situation all over again and it's robbing the sport. Floyd is No. 1 in both P4P and in drawing power and there is a responsibility there.
Michael must live under a rock saying Pacquiao never got scrutinized for catchweights.
I agree with that one, too. And people also love to think that if you criticize Floyd once, than you are a Pacquiao fan for life. I'm still sore Pacquaio wasted most of his prime with that Clottey-Margarito-Mosley run he had there. You can't blame a guy for cashing in when the opportunity is there and Pacquiao has been in enough major wars and took on enough challenges to deserve to make that call. But at the same time it wasn't much fun and I barked about it then, as well.
Hey Brian, 151 seems like a fair catch weight. That's the weight Floyd came with to DLH and Cotto. Canelo should counter offer with that.
I would think that 151 should at least be a starting point and Canelo and his team can then figure out what he can truthfully make. He was as low as 151 and 1/2 for the Matthew Hatton fight in March 2011.
When can we expect to get some kind of official announcement for floyd's next opponent? June?
I think that's probably when you will hear. But Floyd will do it on his terms, of course. And he has that right.
Spoke with Kirkland in a restaurant here in Austin and he indicated that he was in contract talks with Golden Boy but....no word yet. Yes, rematch with ANGULO! Great fight! Mandingo Warrior!!
Well there you go. Our man Rueben has been investigating for us.
Brian, I have to say that even though Floyd has been a two time titlist at 154, he has looked his worst when there and come the closest to losing. Do you think the 147 may be just where he wants to stay since he clearly fights his best there?
I agree with you on that point about maybe the two worst performances of his PPV run (but still, both clear victories) have come at 154. I'm sure he feels much more comfortable at 147. But his talent is too large to simply stay there for good when you look at the landscape of potential opponents available to him. He's not going to fight Pacquiao, Bradley or Broner under the way things currently stand. THE FIGHT in the sport right now is at 154.
I really don't get why this is so hard. Floyd is an all-time great fighter with a very good resume. A Canelo win at this point is a fine stamp to put on the end of that.
Great talking to you every Tuesday, Brian. If Floyd decides not to fight Canelo as it seems, may we see a decline in his Ppv sales that eventually lead him to do it?
Thanks for the question Jokin. I actually don't see Floyd's PPV numbers taking too much of a hit, even if he avoids Canelo. Obviously he needs to find matchups that have compelling angles, but the theory is still true that "Floyd vs. anyone" could still do $1M buys. He's that good and that compelling. One thing in his favor should he go all the way with this retire unbeaten thing and maybe even take one more fight on the end to try and finish 50-0, it's going to draw viewers as we get closer, even if he does match himself soft.
Could the 147 or No fight be a way to promote the fight, and then Floyd will later take the fight at 154 and look like the risk-taker?
Floyd (with Al Haymon in his corner) is the smartest guy in the room when it comes to these things so you have to keep that in consideration. Maybe this is just a front to get Canelo's price down or to begin the process of getting him to bend to a catch weight. Heck, maybe Floyd thinks he beats Canelo no matter what so maybe this is just a way to drum up interest in a 2014 fight that breaks all PPV records. I just want to see it. Bottom line.
And I'm not one to really enjoy the "marinating" process because too many things can go wrong. To me, you have a great fight -- you make it.
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There's your Stanley Cup Playoffs update for the week. Thanks Quinn. Go Whalers.
Brian, Pacquaio made Cotto (the champion) drain himself to make 145 and made Margacheato drain himself to make 150. And JJ, I'm a big boxing fan. There was not a level of scrutiny that Pacquaio faces compared to Floyd. Brian you did bark on Pacquaio but in the same breath you refer him as a eight division catchweight champion.
Again, the weight is a bit different in this case. Pacquiao started at 106 and won his first world title at 112. There were people who thought 135 was too big for him. So to see him climb the ladder like that was simply impressive. Floyd has ALREADY won two titles at 154. It's a different comparison.
A better comparison is Oscar De La Hoya. Both he and Floyd began their career at 130 pounds. Oscar moved all the way up to winning a title at 160 and challenging Hopkins (at a catch weight, yes, I know.) He did that because he dared to be great. Just like Pacquaio did. Just like Roy Jones did at heavyweight. Just like Ray Leonard did at 168. To me, Floyd is better than all these guys (with the exception of Leonard). It's not too much to fight Canelo at 154 to continue to prove your greatness.
Brian, can you please talk some sense into Raskin over there? Ward over Floyd at this point in their careers is ridiculous...
Hahaha. It was definitely a polarizing take from the great RaskMan. But I greatly enjoyed the piece and thought he really presented his argument well. But Floyd is still my No. 1 P4P fighter.
My prediction is if Devon Alexander gets through Purdy on Saturday he'll hit the Floyd lottery. Which will suck!!
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to Mayweather-Alexander any time soon either. I don't hate that fight as much as most do in terms of the actual matchup, I just think Floyd needs to reach for a higher and shinier piece of fruit.
Brian, this is an all Mayweather chat today ha. You giving Macklin any sort of a shot against Golovkin?
Sorry about that Peter. Floyd has definitely stolen the narrative and rightfully so. I like Macklin and believe he is the toughest opponent Golovkin will have faced. I'm expecting a real good fight, too. I just don't see it ending really any other way than a KO for GGG unless Macklin really hides behind the guard and is content to hold the ball.
Golovkin from 154 to 168, anytime, anyone, anywhere...ok back to your regularly scheduled chat with the Tuesday afternoon ESPN Boxing Boss!!!!
I love it when the Berndawg starts barking, haha.
The only daring Mayweather does is daring to fight soft competition to preserve the "0".
Wow, this guy Tom is BRINGING IT today.
What's your Froch-Kessler pick. (memorial day weekend afternoon boxing) + (food) = pure bliss
Yeah, I have to agree with you that Froch-Kessler II is the best thing to happen to Memorial Day weekend in a long time. And let's face it, this fight is really hanging low under the radar. I really think it's going to sneak up on us and be a blast. Man, that first fight was just so sneaky good. And through injuries and all that, you just can't count out Kessler and that power. My pick is Froch by close decision to set up the need for a third fight.
Dang Brian must not like me today!!
HUGE fan of Antonio. A true regular in the #TBC. A guy who everybody knows his name.
How did you score DLH- Mayweather?, do you think Mayweather ducked a rematch?
I'm on the side that thought a was a CLEAR victory for Mayweather. I didn't score the fight because that was my wedding night (I know, cripplingly poor timing ... again), but I remember thinking you couldn't score more than four rounds for Oscar at most. He had success with that jab and really made you believe he was doing more than he was due to the crowd's exuberance whenever he threw. But a strong performance from Floyd who adjusted nicely. Once ODH realized the use of that jab was going to lead to a possible KO from all those clean right hands landing, he abandoned ship to save face.
And the two of them NOT pulling off that rematch the following year was one of the best things to happen to boxing in my mind because EVERYONE knew that was a blatant money grab and I'm glad that didn't happen. Just as I'm glad Pacquiao-Bradley II didn't happen right away. And speaking of that fight, is it just more or does every day go by and I kind of want to see it more and more than I originally did? Combo of Bradley's guts and Manny maybe fading a bit could make that more fun a second time.
Hi brian mayweather v.s a prime sugar ray leonard who never ducked anyone who you got?
We talked about this on "Making The Rounds" a few weeks back. I always lean slightly to Leonard here because of the power and that "go get it" attitude he had in the ring. But that would have been an amazing fight. Hold it 10 times and you get 10 different outcomes. Not sure that last sentence even makes sense but you know what I mean.
Brian, my brother from another mother!!! Now that it has been mentioned, would you care to make a prediction in the bout involving the Champ Devon Alexander against Lee Purdy? I see Devon winning on a late TKO...maybe the 10th round. What say you?
Yeah! This guy JStats. No one loves them some Mariachi Skull Guy more than JStats. Well, besides Mulvaney. Anyway, I like Devon huge in this fight and really don't like this matchup. Not sure about the TKO, but we will see.
Aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh the Love Child..
DTM in the house! Nice. Does this make me some weird form of "step uncle" to ole Joel or am I reaching here?
Sugar ray leonard ducked hagler until he was battle worn and made Duran rematch really fast because Duran used to drink a lot and gain a lot of weight. But I still think he beats Mayweather.
Leonard did wait to take the Hagler challenge but let's not forget he was retired with a really serious eye injury. He came back once, looked bad and got knocked down in a victory, and went back into hibernation until the Hagler fight. No chaser, folks. Say what you want about SRL, but he made his middleweight debut against a true HOFer after a three-plus year retirement. That's daring to be great.
Will the outcome of pacquiao vs rios all come down to strength and conditioning?
I think it comes down to Pacquiao's technique and movement in the end. If Manny can be the same guy who appeared to turn back the clock a bit during the middle rounds in the fourth Marquez fight than I think he can get Rios out of there. But there is plenty of drama in the fact that you just never know how a guy will bounce back after such a brutal KO.
You don't agree that in their absolute prime Roy Jones was more untouchable than Floyd?
Roy was more spectacular in many ways but Floyd is the superior fighter.
Good job Brian, as you can see I'm always in a no-win situation, damned if I do/ Damned if I don't. Some pay to see me lose, some pay to see me win, but at the end of the day; They All pay
And they all watch, too. I can't deny that because I'm right there with them.
Hello Brian,Do you believe that Tyson Fury can be a champion? Also what do you think about his younger brother's boxing future?
It's really too early for me to tell on Tyson's cousin Hughie Fury, although I did see the stoppage in his second fight last month. My take on Tyson Fury in the end is that he has enough size and enough talent to maybe one day claim a title in this division (he's still only 24 and we know HWs mature late), but I don't see him ever winning a belt through a top guy, i.e. a Klitschko.
If Bradley beats JMM, would he be Mayweather's next opponent in May 2014? Im already looking past the Sept snoozer since we know it wont be Canelo....
Only if Bradley found a way out of his Top Rank deal.
BRAIN IS IT JUST ME OR DOES THE WEEKEND ALWAYS FEEL LIKE A WASTE WHEN THERE'S NO BOXING SCHEDULED???
HEY GUYS, GUS IS HERE!!! LET'S HEAR IT FOR GUS!!!!!!
I think Pacquiao has slowed down as he's gotten older. Rios may have a good chance of making it a competitive fight.
I think he's a livelier dog than how some people immediately reacted. He is still a fresh and prime warrior with a crazy motor who is hellbent on destruction. I know he's moving up in weight again, but if Manny has slipped, this will be a real fight.
Brain, please impart on your readers that Floyd has never turned down a fight. Also, I look forward to working with Bob to make Pacquiao/Mayweather. Finally, those photos of Oscar in drag were photoshopped.
Thanks for the breaking news, Schafe.
What does the WBC Do if a Boxer Tests Positive for Steroids or PEDs?
Yeah! This guy Chris Fiegler is back! Always the best part of the chat. And I'm still researching to find where the coldest boxing match on earth was ever contested.
B Dot, what do hear of Amir Khan vs Devon Alexander in December? Richard Schaeffer said that he feels Amir has done enough to comeback and get a title shot and Ramadan will halt him facing Garcia in September.
My man Antonio. I really like that fight, to be honest. If Floyd doesn't do the Khan fight and prefers to honor the Sept. 14 date, I could see this happening for Khan. Not sure who I would like in that fight. Could be fun.
Who do you think would win a Mayweather vs Jon Jones boxing fight Im pretty sure Jones would win the mma fight
Yeah, I'd take Floyd by easy decision in a real boxing match. Size be damned.
Are we going to see Zou Shiming on the Pacquiao vs Rios undercard in Macau?
You know they want to keep Zou active and get him prepared as quickly as possible for a title shot. I could see them adding him to that card should he have little trouble with his July 27 bout against Jesus Ortega. It might depend on how much they can make off of him on his own, though. They are stacking his next card with two more title fights like last time, but the card overall isn't nearly as strong so far. It will be interesting to see.
Do you see Leo Santa Cruz as a P4P Fighter in the future?
I don't necessarily think of him that way because he's just such a firecracker and just keeps coming with volume punching and that vicious body attack. But if the guy keeps winning and keeps moving up, it's going to be hard not to think of him that way. I'm interested in seeing how he responds when he faces a real top-end boxer who is slick and can avoid him.
How come no one is talking about peterson vs mattysee?
Mayweather talk has taken over thus far today, but this is really a great fight on Saturday and I simply can't wait.
Fiegler always has ?s about the coldest this or hottest that (prize fight, golf tournament, baseball game, etc.). You should see him in the NASCAR chats with his ?s about Danica Patrick. (I think he has a crush.)
Thanks for the heads up there on our man Fiegler. His question is typically the first one entered and then I don't hear from him again. Must be a trivia buff.
Would we EVER see the Klitschko brothers fight against each other, even if it was for charity?
Did David Haye think Manuel Charr is too risky of an opponent? Ironically, last year he called Charr a "terrible" opponent for Vitali.
Yeah, Haye is just bizarre if you ask me. The long layoffs. The constant injuries and pulling out of fights. The problem is, the guy is must-see in the division and makes fun fights and is one of the are heavyweight talents to combine power and the ability to box. He would give a lot of guys problems. But it seems like it's all or nothing to him. He wants the Klitschko payday and isn't interested in taking any other fun fights in the meantime against some of the other names.
I think Raskin is right with Ward #1. Beating Dawson, Froch, Kessler, is more impressive than beating Guerrero, Cotto, Ortiz and old Mosely.
Well, there you go. Team Raskin adds another member.
Hail Vic Darchinyan!
LOVE watching Vic fight. I'd watch him at a county fairground under a tent. Doesn't matter to me.
Hi brian maybe its just me but pacquiao is ready to be taken he clearly has lost a step plus when u get ko'd out cold it allways takes alot out of you i.e roy jones jr.
That is a compelling angle, for sure, that will help this PPV with Rios sell even more. I personally don't think he's done, though. He could be and you would understand and wouldn't be surprised. But I think he can still beat second-tier guys and do it excitingly (while showing flashes of vulnerability).
How many "like I said before" did u count in mayweather's post fight interview?
Like I said before, I'm not really sure, haha.
Speaking of Vic, after Nonito's loss...it's finally the right time for a rematch, right? Sign me up...
Yeah, I don't think you are alone in those thoughts. You can sign my name to that petition, too. Should be fun while it lasts. Crazy how long ago their first fight feels like, though. It was 2007, but it feels like 10 years. And the fight was in Bridgeport, Conn., of all places! Haha, I'm hoping they bring a rematch back there for nostalgia sake. It's a short ride for me.
I really enjoyed Raskin's piece. Ward is definitely "daring to be great" by cleaning out his division and knocking out the champion at a higher division. I don't think his position is unreasonable at all.
Agreed. It was well-written and laid out. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't think Ole Rask was sniffing anything.
Brian, great chat you've got going on! Could you discuss the legality of clinching--is it legal to constantly clinch your opponent, or is it a 'grey area', like using your elbows? I think when casual fans describe a Mayweather fight as 'boring', it's probably due to all of the clinching he does
Simon has been one determined chatter to get this question in. Thanks for joining, my man. I agree that it can generally be a gray area and can also depend upon the referee as to how much is allowed. I think people that wrongfully view Mayweather as boring don't appreciate the sweet part of the science and just want to see nameless dudes slugging it out.
Ray from Pomona, welcome to the team. We're in the minority on ranking Ward #1, but our numbers aren't as weak as the 9-to-1 ratio in the ESPN poll would have you believe.
Yeah! The RaskMan speaketh. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Chad Dawson came down to fight Andre Ward at super-middleweight. Why can't Canelo come down, for his biggest payday?
I think it all depends on if you can make the weight and still be a credible version of yourself. Oscar couldn't against Pacquiao and was a skeleton. Dawson clearly compromised a portion of himself by coming down that far and being so willing to do it without negotiating a catch weight first. Both he and his former trainer John Scully have been open about that fact. I just don't think it's a smart move for Canelo to go down that far. He needs to figure out what he can make and stick with that. Or just move on.
What are the chances that Mayweather will fight Amir Khan next? Been hearing a lot of rumors.
To me, that's the fight we will see next from Floyd. I just have this feeling and it makes a lot of sense for different reasons. It would have to be closer to December though if it happened due to Khan's observing of Ramadan.
Lets not forget Ward made Chad come down to his weight! Not the other way around.
Not sure where this "Ward made Chad come down in weight" thing has come from lately. Dawson came right out at the beginning and boasted how he could still make 168 and how he was willing to do it.
What kind of opponent would you like to see Ward fight in his return to the ring? I cant think of any.
I'm equally baffled by who he will end up fighting. He isn't interested in any marketable rematches against some of these big-name Super Six alums and will probably match a bit softer after being away for so long due to injury. I'm just not sure who it will end up being.
People thought Pacman had slipped prior to the Bradley fight and he beat Bradley 11-1. Does not bode well for TB in the Marquez fight.
Vimel really proving to be a key contributor to these chats. His stock is on the rise.
Ward vs. Golovkin would be epic!! I hope we see that in 2014!
Hot dog, my friend. I want everything to do with that. Golovkin is the only fighter who I think could maybe give Ward some issues. There isn't any one else.
Khan makes perfect sense. Big money, big name...absolutely zero percent chance Floyd loses. Just another year gone by...
While I obviously would favor Mayweather big here, I don't hate this potential matchup as much as a lot of people. Yes, part of that is my Khan crush in terms of how entertaining he is to watch. But Khan just brings such flashing hand speed and exciting combinations that it would be fun to watch for a few rounds before Floyd made his adjustments and started to introduce his right hand to Khan.
hi again brian i agree with whats being said about ward so why doesnt he just move up allready there's plenty of good fights at 175 i would love to see if hopkins could beat him even tho im only dreaming right?
I think he's holding out hope of getting a fight with Chavez which would allow him to move up to the PPV level and get that kind of exposure. That's just my take.
Where do you rank Floyd in terms of best defensive fighters?
Right up there at the top. As far as guys I've seen regularly, it's him and Pernell Whitaker. I will say Mayweather is by far the smartest fighter I have ever seen. Guys like Hopkins and Ward are brilliant in what they do, as well. But Mayweather's brains and his accuracy are just ridiculous.
Virgil Hunter would come up with a good game plan to beat Floyd.
I would hope to just see that fight competitive as long as it could be but even if you eliminated Khan's chin issues, that's still a fight Floyd wins going away in my mind.
Good call, Brian...and that's the exact reason why Floyd takes the Khan fight. Khan is marketable, fun to watch, and perfectly flawed for Floyd. It would be....well, a Floyd Mayweather fight. Once, just once, I want to go into a Floyd fight wondering what the outcome will be...
Good stuff, Jackson and I agree on your last point. That's why I want the Canelo fight so bad because even though I think Floyd wins that, there's doubt and there's danger. When was the last time we had that? We've had portions of that, but maybe not real danger until going back to the Corrales fight. And that's a testament to how great Floyd is, to be honest. But the Khan fight offers the perfect package to Floyd because the PPV buys would be good. And a lot better than Garcia, Alexander, etc.
Bowe vs Holyfield trilogy followed by Hearns vs Leonard on ESPN Classic tonight!
Oh man, are you serious? Nice call, Gabe. That's some DVRing waiting to happen.
A lot of Floyd hate goin on today. Lets not forget a lot of people were picking Guerrero to beat him.
Totally agree there. A LOT more people had Guerrero not only winning, but at least keeping it a competitive fight. That's why you have to beware going too overboard on a "Floyd doesn't fight anyone" rant. I had no problem with him taking a hot fighter in Guerrero who was coming off a big win.
I know I'm jumping the gun here, but let's say Rios losses to Pacquiao. What are the chances we see Rios-Ortiz at 147? They don't like each other and their styles would make a fun fight.
You wouldn't see that because of the Cold War between promoters and networks. Plus, there are PLENTY of great fights Ortiz can make right now in the Golden Boy stable. Because let's face it: Ortiz makes fun fights. REAL fun fights. I'd love to see him rematch Lopez, Maidana or Berto. Would LOVE to see him with Khan. And don't count out Ortiz, should he put a few wins together, being a possibility for a Floyd rematch or even a Canelo fight.
Do you see Danny Garcia coming up in weight to fight Floyd in 2014?
Only if he remains unbeaten before then. It all depends on who Floyd picks. If Mayweather doesn't choose Garcia in September and Danny faces winner of Matthysse-Peterson, than I believe Garcia likely catches a loss. But you never know.
Before you say it, there's the Corrales fight for Floyd. Like...a decade ago. That's crazy...
That really might be the last time Floyd entered with real danger to get hurt. Now we've entered a few Floyd fights thinking he realistically could lose since then like Judah (although Zab was coming off loss), maybe Mosley to some people and this Guerrero fight. But sometimes these opinions come from people being bored of him being so flawless or thinking finally, this will be the fight he slows down. For example, I for some reason thought he was going to get a little old in the Ortiz fight and have to survive a knockdown in order to win.
BC! Sure enough! Khan does not deserve it, I think he should fight Alexander first so it can be a unification fight, BUT Mayweather vs Khan is a hot fight!!!! Big Money & Great Matchup!
I agree that Khan doesn't technically "deserve" it by any means and as a fan, you almost wish he was coming off a big win. Because think about this, if Khan had beaten Peterson in that fight (which I though Khan still won, even with the ridiculous point deductions) than he probably would have gotten the Mayweather fight soon after. At that point, it would have been a MUCH bigger fight. But instead he gets the loss, then gets KOed by Garcia and now he has looked super vulnerable in two comeback outings.
Talking about defense, can't forget Winky Wright's wall! How many times did you ever see him get hit flush?
Great call, Dave. Which is why his draw with Jermain Taylor is one of my favorite fights ever. I tell people that and they laugh, but it seriously is. That was a great little unexpected action fight between two top-end guys. Man I wish we had seen that rematch right away.
If Amir Khan and Floyd does fight you guys are underestimating the Virgil Hunter factor.
Virgil is a great trainer but you can't fix a chin and outside of some technical things that could be ratcheted up, that's obviously what holds Khan back on the highest level.
If Floyd does fight Khan, do you believe it will be in the UK or Las Vegas?
I hear people argue for both sides in terms of where they think Floyd could make the most money. Obviously Floyd would be more comfortable fighting again in his own backyard. But to spice up the promotion and add an extra angle to it, how fun would it be to see it in a soccer stadium?
VIRGIL HUNTER CAN'T FIX KHAN'S CHIN!!!!!
I second that emotion.
To Gabe in Saginaws point, don't you think that had more to do with a version of "voter fatigue"? In the same way voters didn't give MJ and/or MVP votes? Guerrero was a good fighter...better than some Floyd has fought recently...so why not him win?
How long does it take steroids to leave the body and test ok if a person gets off them prior to a fight?
I'm just starting a cycle of the "clear" right now, so I should be able to let you know in next week's chat.
Ortiz v.s anyone at 147 is gonna be a hell of a fight ortiz v.s berto 2 would be a war and do great numbers what u think?
Yeah, I still want Ortiz-Berto II. The first one was the best fight I was ever ringside for so maybe I hold affection to the matchup closer to my heart, but they are both so perfectly flawed for it not to be fun.
I rather see Floyd fight Errol Spence Jr
Ofcourse we all know Khan is guaranteed to get the Mayweather fight if he Beats Berto! :P
Hahaha. That is the quickest path to Floyd, yes. Maybe Canelo needs to prove himself there first.
Khan vs Mayweather is a fun fight. Definitely sells on PPV.
To Mike: Ask Marquez! (Low blow, I know)
Oh, how dare you Vimel. Haha. You said it, but you can't mean it.
Floyd vs Kimbo Slice MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!! that will get 10,000,000 PPV Buys NO DOUBT
I'd settle for a Kimbo Slice-Butterbean fight any time. I'm sure they would, too.
I'm terrified to know if that dude was serious or not...
Let's just all pretend it was a joke and move on.
I am the way, the truth and the fight! And NO ONE comes to the P4P King if its not Through ME!
Wow, how equally blasphemous and true.
Would be fun to see Floyd finish out his last 5 fights in key, historical venues, NYC, Chicago, LA, England, etc.....
Now that would be interesting. And pretty fun for the sport, too, if they all happened in historic venues. But I don't think, in the end, we will ever see Floyd not fight at the MGM. But that's just me.
Brian--what's your view on Danny Garcia? I think a lot of people under estimate him and don't give him credit where credit it due. I think he's a really good fighter and might be the top, or 2nd, guy at 140. Love to see him get a shot at Floyd if he dominates 140 and can do 147 comfortably. Do you find he's over rated? What do you think of the Floyd fight?
I think he's a bit overrated, yes. I have a lot of respect for him as one of those "sum greater than his parts" guys who doesn't impress or overwhelm in one area but is just a solid guy who can really fight. Great attitude, etc. But I think he was given the 140 crown a bit too soon and now has to go back and earn it by, first the Judah fight, and now the Matthysse-Peterson winner. I think Floyd absolutely destroys him in another wide decision. Unless, of course, he catches Floyd with that left hook. Because say anything you want about Garcia, and I've been a bit down on him this whole time in comparison to where he stands, but his left hook is true.
people say Khan cant take a punch, lets watch the replay of the 2nd rd with floyd and shane mosley
You are kind of confusing me there with what you typed, but if you are defending Floyd's chin, than I have to agree with you. It's solid. The guy can take a shot.
Hey Brian , I have to give credit to Floyd fighting some of these young up and comers that are hungry like Ortiz and Guerrero! If he didnt I would be saying he omnly fights washed up champions like Oscar and Mosley.
I try not to get down on him when he's fighting a prime guy who is deserving and coming off a big win. And full disclosure, I was happy when the Ortiz fight was announced because of that fact. Here you had a fresh guy who you thought would go for broke and show his power. Floyd's problem for me in the end is the inactivity. When you make matchups people don't love and you're only fighting once every 12-18 months, the bad feeling adds up. But I had no problem with Ortiz and Guerrero when they were signed.
He's not, Brian. He's talking about the one time Floyd got wobbled in the last 15 years. And comparing it to a guy that has been down several times, to much worse fighters, and even out in a few. Uncle Drew...time to sit out a few...
Brian please let me answer Uncle Drews comment! He showed he had a chin by taking that shot and finishing the round off stunningly IMO!
There you go, Uncle Drew.
Who do you see Alvarado faces next in his hometown of Denver?
I hope it's Ruslan Provodnikov. That would be explosive to say the very least. The VERY least.
Brian: Is it just me or is Vernon Paris just a slow plodding very average fighter going nowhere in boxing?
Oh man, Paris looked bad on FNF last week if you ask me. Not a great comeback performance. Got the win, but just didn't seem to have a lot of fight in him throughout.
Hey Brian, couldn't help but notice when looking at the ESPN boxing schedule that British medalist James DeGeale is scheduled to fight on Wealth TV on the 17th vs TBD. That's coming up pretty soon. Any idea who he's fighting? Or are they just going to pick someone random from the crowd?
Jevin, I'm hoping they go with the "pick someone random from the crowd" strategy. Might as well go full "Diggstown" style and just take on all comers.
I second that Jackson (IA)! Uncle Drew has typed too much for his own good!! Floyd went down against Carlos Hernandez but on his own accord because he severely hurt his wrist so he took a knee. Other than that, he didnt officially go down against Judah but he did if that makes sense. Floyds chin is SOLID and unlike Khan, he can take a huge punch if need be.
Hey Brian, why are the Klitschkos not known to well in the USA?
Because of their fighting styles and personalities and lack of compelling opponents. And the fact that their fights are readily available to the average casual fan on American TV.
If Berto is the path to Floyd, we can expect Jesus Soto Karass to face Floyd if he wins.
Never say never.
Gary Russell Jr vs TBA....AGAIN.....
Love that matchup. Lot of unknown there with TBA.
What version of tim bradley do you think youll see vs JMM? Boxer vs. pacman or brawler vs. ruslan?
I think he will try to be more of the safer version of Tim Bradley. But there is just too much fight in him for it not to come out at some point, which has the potential to be very exciting. I know he realizes how much it wasn't smart to stand and trade with Provodnikov. But he's also a warrior. If things get heavy early with Marquez, this thing could be amazing.
Sadly, Adrian, that might happen. Carlos Baldomir, anyone?
You know what, I've never ripped Floyd for that one. Everyone was all over him, and rightfully so, for taking the Judah fight even though Zab had just lost to Baldomir. So he beats Judah and then goes after the guy everyone said he should have fought in the first place. It was an absolutely dreadful fight, but Baldy was the man at 147 at the time so it had to happen.
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