Get some! It's the Tuesday Boxing Chat (#TBC) and I'm your host, Brian Campbell. Thanks for stopping by and talking shop with me. We will be doing a lot of talking about Lucas "The Machine" Matthysse's spectacular TKO of Lamont Peterson along with looking ahead to Saturday's enticing rematch between Mikkel Kessler and Carl Froch. As always, the floor is yours. Let's get to it ...
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Hey Brian, is matthyse the real deal. Top 10 p4p worthy? Do you think garcia will avoid him? Thoughts/prediction for garcia vs matthysse?
Let's go right after it here. Matthysse clearly IS the real deal. Many of us have been banging the drum for a while now, but Saturday's proved to be his "coming out party" in many ways to anyone who either didn't believe or was unexposed to how exciting a fighter he is. He is not Top 10 P4P worthy as of yet and will need another top-end victory in my mind (like a Danny Garcia). I do not believe Garcia will avoid him because the pressure is on for him to accept this fight ... UNLESS he wins the Mayweather sweepstakes.
What do you think about Matthysse-Mayweather?
Thanks for the question, Quinn. I love the idea as much as anyone, but it's just not realistic as of yet if you ask me (which, apparently, you just did). I think Matthysse would have to go through guys like Garcia and maybe Broner first and continue to build his brand before that was warranted from Floyd's end. And with Floyd, who knows if he would even accept that matchup anyway.
Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to get through this thing called life.
Haha, couldn't help but laugh at that one. Solid blast from the past there.
Soup! I'm sad today. I've got nothing for you. No history. The anniversary of Vazquez-Marquez IV is tomorrow. And Marvin Hagler's birthday is Thursday. But nothing of significance happened today in boxing history. I'm sorry.
Let this date forever live in infamy as the one day the great KT was stumped. Don't let it happen again.
Brian, I love these chats man!!! Tuesday and Friday are my least productive days, tuesday more than Friday. What do you make of Sugar Shane Mosley beating Canelo pretty easier than Pauly did! I would really love to see Khan-Mosley and then if Khan wins he can get Devon for the belt. Hasnt really proved he deserves a title shot at 140 yet alone 147!
My man Antonio. You are becoming a regular around here. Thanks for the kind words. I thought Mosley fought well and did enough to deserve consideration for the victory. It was actually a decent fight to watch, as well. His right hand was strong and he was able to hurt the more limited Cano enough to slow down Pablo's work rate. But that doesn't mean I want to see Mosley again. Richard Schaefer of Golden Boy saying things like this win proves Mosley "is back" and that he now deserves a title shot is just ridiculous. They are likely setting him up for a date against Broner and I can't stand the thought.
Was it me or did Garcia look like he saw a ghost Saturday night after LM dismantled Peterson, and im not talking about Robert Guerrero either...
Haha. Cain, my friend, Garcia produced one of the all-time great faces in boxing history on Saturday for that three seconds or so when he didn't realize the camera was on him. Him, myself and Macauley Culkin in "Home Alone" basically all had the same facial reaction to Matthysse's victory. That was even better than the "Canelo face" of watching his next opponent get upset in the ring twice in a row.
HUGE NEWS !!! Audley Harrison has decided to resume his career
I heard and there's nothing good I can say about it so I'm just going to move on.
Oh, and forgive me forgetting earlier on, but a special shout out to the "Tuesday basement" folks who keep this chat flowing from down below, as well.
Broner/Mosley has retirement on the stool, written all over it.
Is that you JoeRod? Yes it does, my man. Mosley still has some pop as it's always the last thing to go, but there's no way that fight doesn't turn into target practice. #ThisAintCano
Hey Brian, who are you picking for Froch Kessler? I wanna lean towards Kessler by KO, considering all the great sparring he got.
Thanks for the question, Peter. I'm about as split on this fight as can be and am just getting more and more excited about it as the days go on. I'm still leaning towards Froch, which is where I've been from day one. I just think he's a better fighter now than he was in their first meeting. But Kessler continues to surprise me every time I think that maybe he's lost a step. And maybe he just has Froch's number. It's going to be a lot of fun. You obviously can't ignore Kessler's power and how that factors in.
Fan of the WBC and their rankings?
I put them right below black licorice, spiders and the Rick Pitino era of the Boston Celtics in my power rankings of the worst things ever.
In the cyber flesh! Haha! Really looking forward to Kessler/Froch 2, but how much better would the card be if Bute/Pascal hadn't gotten cancelled? Hope they reschedule in a timely manner.
Great to hear from you, Joe. I didn't know if you and Mariachi Skull Guy were going to get out of your lunch date in time to make the chat. I agree that the doubleheader had looked mighty appealing as Bute-Pascal is a heck of a fight in its own right between talented, but flawed name fighters. But I have a feeling Kessler-Froch II is going to bring the heat and be a lot like the first one. Froch is one heck of a fun fighter.
Do you think Al Haymon is going to eventually get frustrated with the cold war? His guys are all going to have to face off within the next two years.
You ask an interesting question, Mark, as many have said that the Cold War takes a great deal of Haymon's power away from him as so many of his guys are locked in at Showtime. Maybe he goes the Bobby "The Brain" Heenan route of just signing them all so get a double cut of proceeds from each major fight.
Either way, the guy still carries a ton of influence and gets his fighters into the fights they want.
Thoughts on how Calzaghe-Ward would have played out?
All I can say is split decision and I would have loved every second of it. I favor Ward by a hair.
If Matthysse moves through Garcia for the title, do we see him move up to 147 and fight someone like Ghost or Berto?
It's an interesting question as to when he would consider moving up had he cleaned out the big names at 140. If the money is at 147 at the time and that's where the next big challenge for him is, I could see him doing that. He is somewhat of a smaller junior welterweight though.
Assuming the fight happens between Matthysse and Garcia, which of these boxers might have a crack at Pacquiao, and who wins?
Well, no one is getting Pacquiao from the Showtime/Golden Boy stable as things stand now. We know that. But in a mythical sense, I think Matthysse-Pacquiao would be an outrageously entertaining fight. I think I have to lean to Lucas right now because I'm still not sure how much that KO took out of Manny. But I think Pacquiao would handle Garcia.
Of all the fights going on this coming weekend, which one intrigues you the most?
There's only one answer to that question Paul and it's Kessler-Froch II.
P.S. Your drunk uncle reference Saturday was classic
Haha. Many thanks Tom. That tweet turned into its own blog on Richard Schaefer's post-fight reaction to Lucas Matthysse's win on Saturday. It was just posted to our site: http://espn.go.com/blog/boxing/post/_/id/2441/welcome-finally-to-the-matthysse-era
Do you think Broner will be protected over his career like Money, or will he face the best out there now?
That's a fair question to ask and one I think about often. You have to realize that Floyd is setting an unprecedented blueprint right now on how to make an absurd amount of money while taking over control of your own destiny and also taking the least amount of damage that will help you physically in the long run. Now, Broner doesn't have the exact same skill set defensively and isn't the same fighter, but he's a student of Floyd and if he could put himself into that position eventually, why wouldn't he? The fun part for fans now is that he isn't there yet and still needs to establish himself as both a P4P fighter and a viable PPV entity. You can only do that by defeating big names in dangerous matchups.
hello hello hello ! new to your chat and ill be a regular,first question is....barker v geale excites me i favor barker just bcos he can box and bang but geale is underated...who you picking ?
Welcome to the chat, Bill. Glad to have you and much respect to the fans in London. I like this fight a lot, as well. I definitely favor Geale in this one but Barker is not an easy out. So it should be a good fight.
Bri, what is your gut feeling on Floyd's Sept opponent. I don't believe for a second it's Canelo so let's go through the process of elimination. Devon (my pick) is now out w/ the hand injury. The Machine? Highly unlikely given his fairly low profile. Garcia? Probably the odds on favorite since he'd probably rather get out boxed and timed over the course of 12 rounds rather than eat Lucas' pile driving punches. Khan? I think that he may get the call since he'll bring UK money and fans to the equation, not to mention he's lobbied for it for awhile. What say you?
Nice breakdown there, Joe. My gut is telling me that right now it's Khan. It just makes sense. The only problem is that Khan has said he can't do September. So we will see what happens.
Brian,Is amir khan a second tier boxer due to his glass chin? Is he a de la hoya type fighter where his fame is higher than his skills, and loses the big fights of their careers
His fame is definitely higher than his skills. But he definitely has world-class hand speed and is a heck of an offensive force. But some of his intangibles make him so vulnerable. When you add that with his heart and the fact that he's polarizing to half of his audience, he's got must-see written all over him. Seriously, he might be my favorite fighter to watch for all of those reasons.
Happy Tuesday Brian. Do you think that there is anyone at 140 that would even be much of a challenge for Lucas? I don't see Garcia going 12 with him and he'd put Khan to sleep. I don't see any of the top 140 lb'ers hanging with him.
No, he's the class of the 140 crop. And it's not that I think he's unbeatable or that he can't get into a situation with a good boxer where he could fall behind in a fight. But he's just so relentless and obviously has that power. When you mix that with the fact that he's a changed fighter now and doesn't want to leave it in the hands of the judges and get screwed again, he's so tough to beat.
Better fight to attend Malignaggi/Broner or the BHOP fight a month later?
Malignaggi-Broner. More entertaining. And as much as I favor Broner big in the end, Paulie brings enough to the table to make it interesting and to really challenge Broner in ways we haven't seen.
If Canelo loses out on the Floyd sweepstakes, who does he target? I can't even bring myself to write the names I suspect.
I'm actually hoping it's Cotto still. Of course you favor Canelo, but not only would that fight be a HUGE event and a passing of the torch in some weird ways, it's not just a slam dunk, first-round TKO. I really think Cotto would give an inspired effort and make it a tough fight.
To correct KT, on this day 2 years ago, BHop became the oldest champ in boxing history defeating Pascal only to break his own record later when he beat Cloud.
Oh man, that's a great call Chicago Joe. And I was ringside for that fight in Montreal. One of my finest moments professionally. Just a great fight and event to be at. Shame on me for missing that one.
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Thanks for checking in, Gus. As always.
Another great fight never made...EDWIN VALERO vs MANNY PACQUIAO! southpaw vs southpaw
One of the great "What If's". Can you even imagine that fight? I think my eye sockets would explode.
More devastating puncher, Lucas Matthysse or Brad Pitt as Mickey O'Neil in Snatch?
Oh man, that's a great call. Tom Cruise in "Far And Away" had some pop for a little guy, as well.
Better shot against Broner - Paulie or Shane?
Paulie all the way. Yes, Shane can still punch and I'm not saying he was a walking corpse against Cano. But Broner is two levels above Cano. He's a different animal. He would have a field day and it wouldn't be fun.
Brian, maybe I'm being impatient, but I think Matthysse destroys Garcia...not much interest in that fight...bring on Broner please!
I have been saying forever now that Matthysse-Broner is just about the best or second best fight that realistically could be made in the whole sport. It's amazing. In fact, I just shadowboxed at my desk involuntarily at the mere thought of it. But I don't think that Matthysse-Garcia will be boring, either. Danny's a good fighter. I get on him a lot in terms of criticism because I just don't believe he's elite. I think he's very good, just not great. But I think that's still a fun fight to see how it plays out.
Going back to Lucas, how sensational would a prime Pac Man vs Machine would have been?
Absolutely ridiculous. They are the exact same height. I favor prime Pacquiao and think he wins, but he would have to endure a WAR unlike any he has been in.
With the way boxing is now would you blame T.V oulets, Promoters?
Everyone that continues to put immediate financial gain above the long term health of the sport deserves a share of the blame. Don't forget sanctioning organizations, too.
Does Mosley still have enough to win a championship, or is he fighting a lost cause?
He has enough to beat average welterweights that are flawed, which is just about the best way to describe him at this point. If he wants to be a full-time journeyman and carry on, it's his choice. But I hate to see him thrown in there with anymore top-shelf young lions. That Canelo fight was tough to watch. It really was.
Nobody (myself certainly included) has ever given Danny Garcia a chance and he keeps surprising... I'm done picking against him man!
That's a fair statement, too. And I must admit, his first 6-7 rounds against Zab Judah made him look like a million dollars. His left hook is a REAL THREAT to any fighter. But at the same time, I think Matthysse finds him, figures him out and gets him out of there after a fun few rounds.
my moneys on cotto to beat canelo if it happens,he will old man him out of it
It's a closer matchup than people think. That's as far as I will go.
Are you saying Broner-Mosley would have an Ali-Holmes feel to it?
I don't want to try to compare one debacle to another, but if Shane's chin wasn't as strong as it is, he would be getting KOed left and right and wouldn't be fighting right now. So it's become a detriment to him. And I hate seeing how giddy promoters get when they know they can squeeze another marquee fight out of his name.
Do you think the Klitschko's would be great in any ERA? I totally do!
Yes, I believe they both have all-time qualities to them. But I don't believe AT ALL that they would have this kind of longevity and domination. And I don't believe they would have had this great of a chance to be considered among the greatest had they not been in this barren era. They are fighting C-level guys and they have for most of their careers. It's not their fault, but it's true.
Thanks, Joe. I raise my hands in surrender.
First time to a Tuesday chat! Brian how do you see the Garcia/ Juanma fight playing out?
Great to have you, Oscar. I lump JuanMa in that Amir Khan category where he's brilliantly flawed and so fun to watch. I think Garcia is just too skilled and so absurdly polished in both his technique and his mental makeup as a fighter that he wears Lopez down and stops him.
The sane Cotto that looked rather ordinary against Trout? The entire arena was behind him that night. A first round TKO? Probably not. A competitive however many number rounds it goes? Absolutely not. There are a number of legit guys in the 154-160 range that would love a crack at this guy.
That's a fair counter point. I think Canelo would stop him late after Cotto was competitive for 6-7 rounds.
To humble down KT and Joe, on this day 3 weeks ago Ruben Guerrero wore for the first time the same black and white shirt that he would wear all fight week and Cinco de Mayo weekend!
Even though this is Gerald recycling his own joke from a few weeks ago, it still caused me to spit my water out on the desk in laughter. Well done. And recycling is good for the environment, too.
Much as I disagree with Bill on Barker over Geale, there's something to picking Cotto over Canelo. Cotto is tough, still has quick hands, deadly left hook, and will be very motivated, especially if it's in NYC... Could have FOY written all over it.
You sound like a promoter, or at the very least an NYC resident hoping to get that fight in your backyard, haha. Can't hate on that.
Could boxing writers force change anymore? I understand Richard Schaefer probably wouldn't call you back once you panned a match, but enough of the garbage. That guys sells junk for a living.
Promoters aren't selling fights to boxing writers, though. They are selling to fans. And when people buy PPVs or tune in to fights they don't want to see, nothing gets accomplished.
Not saying there is an easy solution here.
I saw where you said you would only support Mosley continuing if he fought Oscar again. I think he should retire too, but if he continues I wouldn?t have a problem seeing him against someone like Erik Morales or Ricky Hatton.
My tweet on ODH-Mosley III was a joke and more of a reference to the fact that I don't want to see Molsey against anyone close to their prime. I was also a HUGE Oscar fan during his prime so it's hard to see the end of his run go the way it did, especially the demoralizing loss to Pacquiao.
The only reason cotto vs trout went the distance it's because the lack of power from trout
I was ringside for that fight and it was sort of alarming how bad Cotto faded after going on such a run in the middle rounds to make that such a competitive fight. But you make a good point.
Whats your take on Victor Ortiz, is he done, or could he have a headling fight in the near future and against who will be the mostlikely candidate?
That's the thing about Ortiz. He's so wildly unpredictable, yet is still young and obviously has legit power, that you can't really predict where he goes next or what direction his career turns. He's always one big win away from getting a huge fight like a Mayweather rematch (and you know they would do that) or even having another meltdown and walking away for a long time. I hope for his sake he puts some wins together and tries again to make the most out of his talent.
First time to the chat, which do you think is the most talent rich division. I think there are lots of really exciting fights down the line is the middleweight and welterweight divisions
Welterweight has basically been the glamour division in boxing year after year during this post-heavyweight hangover. It's helped by the fact that because it's such a money division consistently, that you get guys from below and above so willing to come back in for a big fight. I agree that 160 went from barren to suddenly stocked and along with 140 and 122 are stocked at the moment. 168 still has big names, as well, who have yet to move out.
If Stevenson wins against Dawson, do you se Ward going up to 175 to get the line championship?
I see Ward moving up to 175 no matter what. I think he will stay around at 168 as long as he can to see if he can land a big-name fight against a guy like Chavez, though.
Is there a fighter at 175 or below that you would pick against Andre Ward?
Your question really puts it all into focus. Obviously a guy like Mayweather is just way too small. So ... you the heck would you even consider favoring against him? My answer is that there isn't a fighter I would favor, but the one fighter who I think has the best shot is GGG.
I can see the Klitschkos doing well in the Golden Era of heavyweights (70-80s) but I don't see them having the same skill set as the Alis, Foremans Holmes, etc. They'd survive due to size. Your thoughts?
Well they are not unskilled, by any means. You could argue they are more robotic than naturally athletic, but Wlad in particularly is a very skilled boxer. They have power and they have size. But there just hasn't been ANYONE remotely close to them since around 2005/2006. It makes it hard to put them in context. No one has been able to expose their flaws because no one has been even above average. We never saw that big puncher put Wlad on his heels and hurt him or that slick boxer confuse and give Vitali problems.
Is Mayweather vs. Sergio Martinez a possibility?
Not unless Sergio's deal with HBO was up and Floyd had a change of heart in terms of taking on big-time challenges. If Floyd wants nothing to do with Canelo at 154 than he clearly isn't going to touch Sergio, even if he's slowing down.
Wlad/Foreman would be a hell of a war. Holmes pounds either brother, I think...and makes it look fairly easy.
Good point. Holmes is the perfect example of a guy I believe would stand up to their size and be able to get past them in tough fights.
Do you see Paul Spadafora getting a title opportunity after getting his career back on track, or has his window closed?
You never say never because he still has the unbeaten record and some small name recognition remaining. There's also about 1,000 different titles out there. But I think the window is closed.
What are your thoughts on Tszyu allowing Lebedev to continue? Thought it was disgraceful myself...
I don't have a great stomach for even looking at that kind of stuff. I know there are people that LOVE seeing gruesome MMA replays of arms being snapped or cuts so deep you can see the bone. That's not me. So it was alarming enough looking at the state of Lebedev's eye and the fact they kept that thing going is so ridiculous that I can't even begin to understand.
Holmes would definitely drill both Klitchkos
BC, I am huge boxing fan, i know all the narratives and barriers to the fight. With that being said, WHY WHY WHY WHY cant Mayweather-Pacquiao still happen? Isn't it still the most lucrative fight in all of Boxing?
No disrespect, Brett, but as a huge boxing fan you understand the whole Cold War and the fact that Bob and Floyd will never work together and be in a position to have the other one make money off of them. It's just not happening unless someone had a HUGE change of heart (Bob) and Manny was willing to take a huge cut in money. Even then, Floyd seems so past it.
Brett from Minneapolis, if you were a huge boxing fan, like me, you wouldn't be asking that question.
I think prime tyson would have handled vladamir klitchko
Canelo vs Mayweather most lucrative fight in boxing now.
Agreed. That's why we need to see it. No more excuses. To me, it's RIDICULOUS if this fight doesn't get made in some form at some weight. I don't know how Floyd's reputation could survive two hits like that.
Speaking of Ward staying at 168 to potentially face Chavez...How long can Chavez continue to make weight at 160? He's young, has had difficulty making weight in the past, and typically rehydrates to cruiserweight... he obviously can't keep that up forever.
You would think not much longer. I just hope he comes back focused and really wants to maximize his talent and see how far he can go. He is such a fun fighter that he adds so much to any matchup in any weight class.
Brian, I know it is not a popular division here in the states, but it would be great if we could get a unification with Guillermo Jones and Marco Huck. Wouldn't that be a war?
I'd be all over that. Yes.
In your opinion, who's got the best ring entrance in boxing? Naseem Hamed's ring walks were actually really entertaining
I was a HUGE fan of just about everything the Prince did back in the day. Sharif Bogere just might have the most unique ring walk these days. But off the top of my head, there really isn't anyone who jumps out at me as being No. 1 right now. Let me open it up back to you guys ...
Brian, hands down man, love your commentaries. You know your stuff :)
Hey, alright. Thanks Martin. Who doesn't like flattery, haha.
macklin v GGG how do you see it ?
Love it. Can't wait and I will be ringside as that's basically the closest possible venue to where I live. And a great venue, at that. Such an intimate place to see a fight. I like GGG by stoppage but have a lot of respect for Macklin and the challenges he will bring as the toughest opponent Golovkin has faced up to this point.
i think may-pac has sailed, where does he go assuming he beats Rios if Marquez and Bradley is not on...
I hear a lot of people saying that Manny has no one left to fight and, at least for me, I couldn't disagree more. A Rios fight is appointment viewing and is going to be a war. I'd love to see him a fifth time against Marquez or in a showdown with Alvarado. And I can't believe I'm typing this, but the combination of Bradley becoming more of an action fighter and Pacquiao potentially slipping just a bit could make their rematch compelling. Top Rank's cupboard in that coveted 140-147 area is definitely small, but the fact that there's five guys who could all fight each other a few times (and sprinkle in some Ruslan Provodnikov, as well) makes things interesting.
Seriously, if you are ringside June 29, there will be blood. Be prepared.
Haha. Should I bring a tarp as if I was headed to a Gallagher concert? Or did I just completely date myself with that reference?
I'm gonna have to go with the fan man's entrance in Bowe/Holyfield II. His entrance is the one to beat.
Haha, interesting call. He may have had one of the best entrances to a fight of all-time, but he also took a LEGENDARY beating from Bowe's handlers for interfering in that fight.
Is this scenario possible or too expensive: Sept. 14th. Mayweather vs. Garcia, Canelo vs. Cotto, Broner vs. Mosley(or Judah) on the same card
No chance. Way too much money to be made on separate PPVs there. You're never going to see Floyd and Canelo on the same PPV again unless they are fighting each other.
Brian,Are you ready to smash some fruit?
Yeah! This guy Gallagher is back. In fact, I just saw him in a commercial not too long ago.
Not quite that dramatic, but expect some splatter on the jacket. GGG carries a pair of clubs, but nothing like that thing Gallagher swung.
If Broner gets past Paulie I'd be down to see Broner vs Judah. I think that would be a good test for him at this point in his career.
That's the first time I've even thought about that fight, and I like it a lot. Zab's a good test for anyone right now. He's too talented and has too much left in the tank to call him a gatekeeper, but you need to get by a guy like that impressively to show you are for real. But it looks more likely right now that we see Peterson-Judah, which could also be fun.
unfortunately, i am a rios fan, but how many more brutal fights can that kid endure? a fight with pac will be brutal as well.
Lost in the excitement for this fight is exactly what you just said and I thought the same thing. You've got to take a rest at some point and take a soft one or maybe take 9-12 months to enjoy your money and relax with your family. That's a lot to ask anyone.
There is something strangely awe-inspiring about Guillermo Jones--started as a 6'4 welterweight 20 years ago, made his way up to cruiserweight primarily by developing a rather large gut, and at 41 years old beats up and stops a top young cruiser with a good chin. Is there any precedent for his career arc? This guy deserves some more recognition, no?
A very interesting character and man did he fight with heart and skill on Friday. You just can't ever get him in the ring. But his arc is clearly a unique one.
I think macklin takes GGG. Macklin is the only guy that adjusted to Sergio Martinez in fact was beating him thru 10rds. Ask Martin Murray who's game plan he followed. Stamina is the only issue for Macklin
Not a bad point. But Sergio's power doesn't appear to be close to as frightening as Golovkin. In fact, I asked Macklin that same question in NYC on the day of the Rigondeaux-Donaire fight. He said Sergio doesn't actually hit that hard, it's just that you don't see it coming and the angles constantly catch you off guard.
I am actually in the camp that is looking forward to Paulie / Broner. Broner is coming up two classes to face a slick boxer. This could be a pretty good fight that doesn't get all the hype.
Agreed. I'll be an interested spectator.
Matthysee-Rios how would it go?
Violently. I think Lucas has too much skill not to outlast him in a great fight.
Vimel has sparked my intrest in broner v judah
Vimel is the man. Off the top of my head, he's clearly a member of the starting five to the All-TBC chat team.
We can throw Vimel at center. Maybe trot out Gerald and Antonio from Philly in the backcourt. This could be a good team.
GGG has more power but also slower.
But he's a heck of a technical fighter, too.
As old as Sergio is do you see him coming down to 154 for a payday fight against Canelo assuming he reworked his contract with HBO ?
I can guarantee you Sergio has wanted and will continue to want fights with guys like Canelo, Cotto and Mayweather. All names he has tried like heck to land but has been unsuccessful. It would just depend on his HBO situation.
After the prospect of Mayweather Pacquiao dissapeared, I no longer look forward to Mayweather fights as much as did before . I know he will never take a REAL challenge, albeit there are not many out there.
That is an unfortunate reality moving forward and won't be helped by Floyd not taking a Canelo fight. I really hope we see it.
Whats your take on broner labelling paulie a "one arm bandit"?
It was humorous. One of the only times I did laugh, however, during some of their pre-fight rants against each other which have jumped many lines of decency.
Hey Brian, first time chatting on a Tuesday. I was wondering how do you think Peterson would bounce back from his KO loss? Do you think he'll defend his title next?
Peterson's such a game fighter and a tough dude. I think he'll be back and will be looking right away to get back into a big fight. I'd love to see him against Judah.
I would definitely like to see GGG v Chavez Jr
That would be VERY fun and would give Golovkin the boost he needs in terms of exposure. Not sure I see Chavez's team wanting anything to do with him, though.
Yeah, uh, look at the tail end on my comment to see where the seed of Judah vs. Broner was planted
This guy Bing is all fired up.
Brian,On a scale of 1-10, how big of a Game of Thrones fan are you? I peg you as a big Jeoffrey fan.
Not sure if that's a compliment or not as I have never seen the show. I have too many Dog the Bounty Hunter episodes to catch up on.
Being a CT native, I had no choice but to snag tix for GGG fight at Foxwoods. Guy is must see. Also, going to Broner fight in Brooklyn. A chance to see 2 of the more exciting young fighters the sport has. CANT WAIT!
I have to say RadMan, after a real tough stretch for most of 2012, the last nine months or so have been nothing short of amazing for fight fans in the tri-state area. It's ridiculous how spoiled we are right now. I love it.
More ppv buys Amir Khan vs Floyd or Lucas Matthysse vs Floyd
Right now it would be Khan since Matthysse's brand needs to be built. But, if he continues mowing people down and learns English quick enough to have an impact with American audiences, how can a guy with that look and that much power not be a draw?
Hey Brian, maybe you can answer what the watson twins actually do?
You know, if there is anyone in the business of boxing who is not a fighter that deserves their own "All Access" or "2 Days" show, it's the Watson's. I'm not sure I could be pulled away from watching.
I just find it laughable how people keep giving Paulie a chance against Broner. He has no power to get Broner's respect. How can you not pick Broner by (t)ko?
Well, that's why my pick ultimately is Broner by stoppage. But let's not discount what Paulie does well, which COULD make for an interesting number of rounds before Broner sits down on his punches and starts moving product.
If they stripped Andre Ward, why hasn't Floyd been stripped at 154?
I really don't like sanctioning bodies and alphabet belts and diamond emeritus titles.
That Uncle Drew, still loving himself some Khan! He's gonna get knocked out Drew, Virgil Hunter can't save him!
Take that, Drew.
Watson twins have the best job in the world aside from Brian's job lol
I have to agree with you on that one.
Have you heard anything about Ruslan Provodnikov? Who would you like to see him fight next. I heard he his people are talking to Showtime, is that true?
If I had my pick it would be against Mike Alvarado.
Malignaggi did a pretty good job handling Cotto's power. He ended up with a broken cheek bone, but he made Cotto work and he won some rounds. I think the fact that he's tough enough to hang around is what makes it an interesting matchup.
Exactly. Good call, KT. Paulie showed me a lot that night against Cotto. That was a good fight.
I was just thinking how epic the fighter meetings and trash talking would be like if Broner fought Judah.
Oh man, great call. That would be a real fun fight altogether.
To Jackson Amir Khan is 2-0 with Virgil Hunter
Hiya Brian...Just wondering what you think is up next for my boy Devon Alexander. I'd like to see Devon take out Khan. Also what do you think of Golden Boy promoting an outdoor show here at Busch Stadium? We've already sold out Scottrade Center, so that would be the next largest venue
Yeah, this guy Jstats. A #TBC regular. I think for Devon it all comes down to how well his hand recovers from the injury he sustained against Purdy. I thought he looked great and really tried to up his output and project a more exciting style. I'd love to see him against Khan. That's a fun fight to me. And I hadn't heard about the Busch Stadium idea but that sounds great. I love when boxing is willing to consider unique venues like that.
Hi brian, In your opinion what boxer in this modern age of boxing has the most annoying fan base out there?
The equivalent of Dave Matthews Band fans? Haha. I don't think Floyd's fans are annoying, I am just constantly blown away by how loyal they are to his legacy and always have his back in the most extreme ways.
Klitschko-Povetkin, thoughts? I can't figure out any scenario where Povetkin wins. He falls short in literally every pertinent category.
I agree that he likely falls short in every possible scenario but about time we finally see this thing, right? I will be entirely more excited for this fight than anything involving Wach, Pianeta, Charr, Sosnowski, etc.
Haha...just getting at ya a little Drew. Love the enthusiasm. Amir will be happy to know someone still loves him when he wakes up on the floor after the Mayweather fight.
Ouch. That was a bit harsh.
hard work and dedication, Brian. Obviously you are not on the "money team".
My membership request was denied, apparently.
Hey brian, have you done any boxing training yourself? I just started. Hell of a workout
I haven't done it in about eight years and miss it every day. Still trying to find a good gym close enough to me with a good program. Would love to get back into it, along with some light sparring.
Assuming Garcia still wants to fight Matthysee, does the winner still fight Khan in December?
That was the original plan from Golden Boy at one point, but that September to December turnaround is a bit ambitious should the Garcia-Matthysse fight be particularly grueling to the winner. Now it looks like Khan will likely face Alexander at 147 later this year.
Brian, do you believe Gamboa is being mismanaged by 50 cent? He went from fighting contenders like salido and de leon to tomato cans like farenas and perez.
I am just thrown for a loop in general about what has happened to Gamboa since the Solis fight. I couldn't have been more high on a single fighter and more excited to see him climb the ladder. He's not young anymore, either.
Who's more obnoxious? Jame Toney or Tyson Fury?
That's probably the hardest question I've fielded in this chat so far. Real hard to choose.
Best ring entrance was Roy Jones at Radio City Music Hall when he came out with Red & Meth doing "Da Rockwilda". Larry Merchant could barely hide his contempt
Haha. Great call, Bing.
To dust off an old boxing cliche, styles make fights. Anyone giving Cotto zero chance against Canelo due to their respective fights against Trout obviously does not understand this old adage. Canelo is not going to be bringing anything to the table that Cotto has not seen before. This will be a good fight.
Nice work, Alec. They should put that quote on the fight poster.
You're the max kellerman to espn, Dan being jim lampely.. But i like a young face talking boxing. So who do you got in a potential cotto-canelo scrap?
Interesting comparison, but I'll take it. Thanks man. I've got Canelo by late stoppage in a good fight.
I never saw the lebedev vs jones fight. where does it rank in your opinion for fight of 2013?
I still have to go back and see it in full. I was following it on Twitter for a stretch while working on some other things and finally threw on the feed with two rounds to go. From what I saw, it was a war.
Do think Khan's team would let him anywhere near Matthysse?
I do. Khan isn't the kind of guy, if you ask me, that wants to duck anyone. Despite his limitations, he acts like a champion and I like that.
Any chance we could see Rigondeaux v Mares?
When does "Making the Rounds" come on? Thanks.
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One potential 140 fight I haven't seen mentioned is Broner-Olusegun Ajose. Gave Matthysse a pretty good go and is an entertaining lefty who fights with a Manny-type aggression.
I have a lot of respect for Ajose and really hope he gets himself into another big fight. He waited a LONG time and went through a lot of hoops to get the Matthysse fight originally. He's a tough dude.
Got to disagree with Bing. Greatest ring entrance was Prince Nasim Hamed 15 min ring entrance in the Kevin Kelley fight at MSG.
It's unrivaled in many ways.
Does Ramadan possibly ruin the idea of a Mayweather-Khan matchup? It ends 5 weeks before the September 14 fight date, which wouldn't be an optimal camp for Khan, but the payday is likely too much to turn the fight down.
I think it's a legitimate hurdle. It would probably come down to Floyd being willing to wait until December. Still, I see Khan in the lead right now for contenders to win the Mayweather sweepstakes.
Amir Khan has taken himself out of the pseudo-140 tourney by moving up to 147, where he said he would rematch Peterson and Garcia. Good 'ol Amir Khan...the man who dictates the terms of rematches after LOSING the first fight.
See, like I said, he talks like a champion. I guess you can do that when you are the draw.
The cold war has to end at some point. Over/Under 3 more years.
I just hope it doesn't take the sport taking a nose dive for the Cold War to end. I don't think so because boxing is on such a great run right now going back to September of last year. Everything is cyclical and it's going to take a big star with real clout to want to make a fight happen so badly that he's willing to clear any hurdle to get there. Hopefully that happens the ice begins to melt.
"Khan isn't the kind of guy, if you ask me, that wants to duck anyone. Despite his limitations, he acts like a champion and I like that."******Tell that to Breidis Prescott.
I knew that one was coming. Does anyone REALLY believe he ducked Prescott? Like seriously?
Mayweather-Khan is a JOKE. Man, I can't say it enough.
Xavier is on record, folks.
Is it in your contract you have to chat 2 hours? My favorite football team, the ESPN division blogger goes 35 min, maybe. He has even been quoted as saying "I don't have to do chats at all". Goes to show, if you truly love what you do...
Oh man, I would go eight full hours if I didn't have other responsibilities in the office. But getting a chance to connect with real fans and just "talk shop" is arguably THE highlight of my week.
To Alec Economic it makes more sense to chase a floyd fight than a rematch with garcia or a beaten peterson whom he already beat
What is Berto's potential now? Is he potential Judah type or can he salvage his career?
He's definitely at some form of a crossroads. He's not the hot prospect we were led to believe. But there's still something in the tank. He's just got to find a way to bridge the gap of this disconnect between his mind and his talent. He's too willing to get into a brawl and it cost him badly in the Ortiz and Guerrero fights. But I like the Judah comparison if Berto can end up being a guy who finds a second act to his career before it's too late.
"tell that to Breidis Prescott"...you can find him working his day job at Home Depot.
Ouch. Was that really him?
Bryant Jennings v. Deontay Wilder. Who would win?
My gut reaction was to type Wilder by right-handed, one-punch KO, but I stopped myself. I think it's a real good fight and hope we see it.
Wouldn't a "true champion" want to avenge a 54-second KO loss that sucked the life out of an entire arena? Pretty sure I recall Prescott BEGGING to rematch him for years after that fight. But I suppose Khan fighting Oisin Fagan was what the fans really wanted, huh?
Could he have avenged it? Yes. But he had bigger and better things to get to and I think at that point, the KO was more of him being unable to make weight with their careers going in opposite directions.
Why does Shane continue to fight, does he need the money.. I would hate to see him get seriously injured.
Not sure if it's just him really needing the money after his rough divorce or just that he loves the game so much and doesn't want to leave.
I was ringside for the Matthyse/Peterson fight. Very sparce crowd. More responsible, the fighters and their popularity or the promotion of the fight. Didn't see much as far as promotion around AC.
I was shocked by the numbers being that low. I realize both guys don't have huge crowds following them and that it was probably better served to have had it in Washington where Peterson would have drawn. But AC is still a fight town, right? To me, that's a GREAT fight. Shocked it was that low.
Brian, I think Froch handles Kessler this week, do you think he'd beat B-Hop at a catch weight?
My gut feeling is to say yes. But can you ever really count out B-Hop? I'm the guy who said Cloud by TKO.
I don't believe Khan was ducking Prescott, but I do believe that if you get knocked out by someone and you don't avenge it, it does nothing but hurt your legacy. Of course, Khan will never be a IHOF fighter, but fight fans never forget a knockout.
I'll give you that. Khan left that door open for that argument to carry on by not just avenging that. In fact, the best time for that probably was after one of the two defeats he suffered in 2012. But, whatever.
Hey Brian. With all this talk about fighters who need to hang it up, is there any retired fighter out there who you think still has it and could make a successful comeback if they wanted to? I think considering the layoff Hatton made a nice statement even though he lost.
I have to agree with you on the Hatton part that I felt like he still had something left. But at the same time, you really have to respect a guy who ONLY wants to compete at the highest level and when he can no longer do it, doesn't feel the need to toil and linger. Outside of that, there isn't another name jumping out at me. I had hoped for a while that Calzaghe was going to give us one more before turning 40. Never happened.
On Matthysse-Peterson, Matthysse sure got away with lot of hitting behind the head, and those were not pity-potty punches. I rewatched his fight with Judah and he was hitting behind head there too.
I agree that it wasn't 100% clean. It sure as heck wasn't Guerrero-Berto either, however.
I appreciated what you and Dan do for boxing fans. I make it my mission to tell friends that don't follow the sport to watch some of the most intriguing matchups that are not PPV..bring back boxing to its former glory
That's well said, my friend. Thanks and I appreciate you doing that for the sport. I try the same thing with my friends. Not easy.
Alright folks. GREAT chat as always. Got to wrap it up now. Big thanks to everyone for taking part. Hope you have a great week and enjoy Kessler-Froch II on Saturday. Also a good matchup on "Friday Night Fights" with Delvin Rodriguez and Freddy Hernandez at 10 p.m. ET on ESPN2. I will see you next week.
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