Welcome to the Tuesday Boxing Chat (#TBC). Shout out to the folks down in the basement keeping the conversation flowing. Let's get right to. As always, the floor is yours ...
Somebody get me a doctor!!!!!
It wouldn't be a proper #TBC without Diamond Dave kicking things off.
Brian my man! This chat is starting to kick butt, good job.On Froch-Kessler, is it only me or did anyone else notice that Kessler legs looked like he had cement shoes on? To me his legs looked really stiff and this is usually signs of warn out fighter. Don't think he has many, if any, fights left in him.
Thanks for taking part today, Tek. I definitely thought it took Kessler too long to finally get things going. As you saw on Saturday, he was ridiculously accurate once he did let his hands go (I believe it was 55 percent), but he just simply wasn't accurate enough. Was that because he is slowing down? Maybe. But I credit Froch, instead, for pushing that pace and dominating at times with that jab.
good show by froch, happy for him, now he needs to avenge his other loss
That was a tremendous victory for Froch, who seems to be doing the opposite of what most fighters do in their mid-30's -- he's actually getting better each fight. It sounds like the fight he really wants above all else is that Andre Ward rematch and you have to love his desire to constantly face the best.
I taught that GUS fellow everything he knows...Hard work and dedication.
Gus is a strong contributor to this chat. The only problem is he shouts a lot. All caps isn't so pleasant.
Any word on PPV buys for Mayweather ve guerrero?
Great question Phil. I still haven't seen the final numbers. And it makes you wonder why we haven't.
Hey Brian, do you think Froch will fight Ward next? If not, who do you think they will fight?
I don't get the feeling that Ward wants that fight considering he defeated Froch rather handily the first time. Plus, when Ward finally returns to the ring it will be after such a long layoff that I would expect him to match a bit softer. I would look for that one, if it happens, in 2014 and I would love for it to be in England due to the great atmosphere. If Froch keeps winning (and he has his pick of good fights available with Hopkins, Groves, etc.) it's a fight that could end up looking better and better.
Love BHop but don't you think at this point in his career Froch takes him out?
I do. But I also predicted Tavoris Cloud would finish Hopkins in his last fight. Just as many have predicted Hopkins to lose in previous fights. Can I say I finally learned my lesson?
Brian, I have to disagree. If Froch really wants an Andre Ward rematch, he wouldn't be making his ludicrous demands about the fight having to be in the UK. Grow a pair, and go to Oakland. Ward's they guy at 168. No disputing that. You want to fight him? Fine, but it's going to be on Ward's terms. Period.
The only problem with that is Ward doesn't draw so well and, as we saw with that rocking arena in London on Saturday, that fight would do VERY WELL overseas. But I would understand if Ward basically said forget it and moved on. He already beat the guy.
BC, your opinion: What's worse for a career...getting KO'd cold as Manny was or taking an absolute beating on an eye as Lebedev did?
That's a great question as to what is worse for you long term. I'd have to think it would be Lebedev's eye should it lead to the kind of problems that Antonio Margarito endured after the Pacquiao fight. That would have to shorten your career even more than a devastating KO would. But either way, both are not healthy, let's put it that way.
Is there anyway Paulie can beat Broner?
Your gut reaction tells you no, doesn't it? But, man, can Paulie talk a good game. And as much as everyone (including me) wants to put the crown on Broner as the next big thing, we still haven't seen him tested too much (outside of the awkward PDL fight). And he's moving up two weight classes. And Paulie can really box and is a smart fighter with a good chin. But, in the end, I just can't imagine Broner not stopping him late unless he truly isn't worthy of all this hype.
How do I go about getting credentials? I love all these fights in the east coast but I am stuggling public school teacher and I cant afford every fight, like I would like. Can I get credentials if I start a school newspaper?
Start your own website.
History time, Soup! Two of the best Depression-era boxers, Barney Ross and Jimmy McLarnin-- both of whom were in Bert Sugar's all-time top 25-- met in the first fight of their trilogy on this day in 1934. And then their third fight was also on this day in 1935.
Where would we be without KT's history nugget of the week, right? That guy is the best. Great call on "Soup", as well. I don't hear that name too often these days outside of when I visit my hometown, but basically everyone called me nothing but that from about age 12 to 28.
After seeing Martinez take a decline, Is it ok for Dibella to make a Martinez-Jermain Taylor fight now? What ever happened to Taylor anyway?
Oh please, no. I don't want to see Jermain Taylor near a ring anymore. Plain and simple. I watched his comeback attempt and he's just to vulnerable now. It's a shame. I was a humongous fan during his initial MW title run. But when it's gone, it's gone.
Prince Brian, Do you think Mr. Rafael was trying to send you a message by chatting for 3+ hours last Friday?!
Mr. Rafael doesn't need to send a message. That guy is the already the king of chat endurance.
Who were you picking when GGG was supposed to face Pirog?
I had Golovkin. But I still want to see him tested. Maybe see him work out of some vulnerability.
Rafael threw out the idea of Froch-Golovkin and honestly, how can that not be fight of the millenium?
That's such a great call that it's ridiculous. I hadn't even remotely thought of the idea either. When I read that I was already throwing combinations in front of a mirror getting pumped up. I hope it happens.
Will we ever see another Super 6-like tournament? At 140 it would be grand!
I was just thinking about this the other day. I hope we do. It has to be better organized though, but I think it would be exciting. I don't like round-robin formats or anything with a point system. But instead just elimination style and you have to do it quick. Stretching it out gives people outs. Lock the fighters in so they can't take any outside fights and determine a winner. Obviously it's easily said than done and very often we end up with these unofficial four-man mini-tourneys. But I hope we see another one with all the pomp and circumstance that the Super Six had.
Super 6 tournament at 160, yes please
Not a bad idea.
Regarding an earlier question, I just don't think B-Hop's tactics will intimidate Froch one bit. Cloud lost the fight mentally as much as physically, as did Pascal and Pavlik before him. Froch won't have that problem.
Outside of the whole "B-Hop will find a way thing", I think you might be right. Froch appears to be too fresh, too versatile and a bit too tough mentally to be a prime "mark" for some of the things Hopkins does to get an edge.
You need to challenge King Freak to a chat-off. Loser dies.
Can I renegotiate the stipulations? Good Lord.
mattyse v marquez ..who wins ?
First of all, the fans would win. But we'll never see the fight, as you know. As for which fighter gets the nod, I say it's Matthysse. I have this building feeling inside of me that Marquez truly emptied the tank to get himself mentally and physically prepared to survive that war with Pacquiao. Something has to give eventually, right? I think he starts to decline heavily now.
Can I get my copy of Byrd-Williamson? I've been having trouble sleeping.
Haha. That was the stipulation for bringing a friend to the chat today, right? Let me get those copies fired out to everyone right away.
Just me or does it seem like UK fans create such a better fight atmosphere?
All I know is I was watching that fight on Saturday and feeling that excitement and wishing I could leap through the screen and be part of it. Just great stuff.
How does the starting 2 guard on Brians All-Star chatter list, not get any buzz and we have been a half an hour into the chat!!! AHHHHHHH!!!! Dont make me request a trade Brian!!! LOL! Love this chat!!
Haha. I would never forget the great Antonio.
"mattyse v marquez ..who wins?"Allow me to answer...THE FANS
You neglect to mention that Froch can get frustrated i.e. Dirrell fight and I imagine Hopkins using the hit and grab technique would frustrate the heck out of him playing right into BHOP's hands.
Good call, LD. And that would have to be B-Hop's strategy. It's just hard. When will Hopkins get old? When will it finally happen? The guy is amazing. Smartest fighter in the game, with the exception of Floyd.
Any ideas on Khan's next fight, don't think they should touch the machine with a 10 foot pole, far too dangerous for that famous Khan chin
Looks like a December meeting with titlist Devon Alexander at 147 as long as Devon's hand heals and Floyd doesn't come calling for Khan.
Its a shame that Mattyse and GGG are separated by 20 pounds. If they were close in weight, imagine the fireworks in that fight.
And imagine the facepalm from everyone in this chat when the buzzkill reality of the COLD WAR sets in and ruins this fantasy.
Do you think Pavlik would come back for Chavez Jr. fight? I would hazard a guess that the fight would be given fairly even odds by the odds makers.
Not a bad call, Jimmy. It's a fight I would like to see if I had to see Pavlik get back in the ring. The matchup with Andre Ward was a horrible one for him on paper, as we all know. But the Chavez one could be interesting. But it's obvious that Kelly has lost that fire so you really have to respect him walking away rather than being carried out.
What do you feel is going to happen with floyds next fight?
When you look at all of the available options and the fact that the Canelo fight has negotiation hurdles, the fight that seems to make the most sense would be Khan. But Khan has said he can't go in September. So for me, it comes down to Floyd either being willing to wait until then, or maybe giving in a bit on the Canelo deal to make it happen. Because if that falls through, who does he fight? Alexander has an injury. Is it Danny Garcia?
You'll always be Soup in 6L!!! Keep up the good work. Love seeing your name associated with ESPN. Always knew you'd get there.
This guy Aussie Nick! Thanks for the kind words, my friend.
Crowd you most want to be apart of, UK or Montreal?
That's exactly what I was thinking. As I've said here, still my best crowd experience was being ringside for Hopkins-Pascal II in Montreal. Man that was electric. But I have to say, it looked even better on the TV in the UK.
Prime Marquez vs. Prime Mosley at 135...who do you pick?
Man, I love these kind of debates. I'm taking Mosley all the way. That guy was a DESTROYER at lightweight.
No cold war with K2, just six world class fighters :)...Hello Mr. Machine....
Bern, baby, Bern.
Fine, you can negotiate the way the loser is killed.
Haha. Whatever happened to a "Loser Leaves Town" match?
Knowing how Khan's chin is, how exciting would a Khan vs. Matthysse fight be? Fans would be on edge after every punch/exchange.
Absolutely. Look, Khan versus anyone is exciting. We know that. This fight would be unreal and for the three minutes it lasted.
B.C. Since B-Hop's name is mentioned w Froch. What do you think of Ward vs B-Hop that would just add to Ward's already incredible resume!!!
I wanted nothing to do with that last year when some had brought it up. But, man, after being ringside for Hopkins-Cloud, I really started changing my tune. Not so much that I believe Hopkins would win, because, seriously, there really isn't a fighter from 106 to 175 that I would favor against Ward right now, but just that it would be interesting. I know Cloud was limited and that allowed Hopkins to shine, maybe above all else, but Bernard was ON that night. He was not 47.
Hey Brian, love your chats. You do 'em the way they should be done. Much props to you. One thing I've been dying to hear your take on.....Do you buy into all the talk of Pacman being diminished and/or that he should start thinking about retirement? Even though he is 0-2 in his last two bouts, in my opinion, he barely lost perhaps 3 rounds in those two losses. Also, both of those losses could very well have been wins had it not been for pathetic judging and one perfectly placed, perfectly timed, home run shot. Your thoughts? Thanks
Thanks for the kind words, my man. Obviously even before the Marquez KO it looked like Manny had lost something off his fastball. He was still elite, just naturally getting old. But with that said, he looked great against Bradley and, at times, he looked like the Manny destroyer of old while taking apart Marquez in the middle rounds. But when you are trying to predict how much he lost AFTER enduring a knockout that vicious, it's really hard to do. You really just don't know what he has left after that. It takes so much out of you. And a lot of it is mental, too.
I agree with LD that Froch can get frustrated but I believe his mental game is improving with age as well. He may not get too flustered by the master craftsman that is BHop. However observe one other thing: With all this debate already.... it's a great fight!
Yeah, I'd sign up for Froch-Hopkins right now. Do it in London. Bernard is game. This would be fun.
Guerrero-Alexander.....Would that fight make sense, is it doable, and would it interest you? Who would you pick in it?
Both have same promoter. Both are in same weight class. It makes a lot of sense if you ask me and is good style matchup between pure boxer (who can punch a little) and aggressive brawler-type (who can box a little). I would get behind that and would favor Alexander.
I saw that press conference with paulie and broner. I was kinda surprised to see that paulie still had a job with showtime
I'm sure they must have had some talks with him afterwards. I usually love anything that comes with Paulie's entertainment value, but a lot of that stuff was just classless. I felt bad for both of them. Hopefully it's now in the past.
It was a good win for Carl Froch but to keep it real I didn't see nothing different to make me think he stands a chance of beating Andre Ward he's better off making a rubber match with Kessler or fighting BHop
I think he's grown from his two losses and there's something to be said for that. Froch looks more confident to me. Looks like he's a smarter fighter now than even a few years back. Ward is obviously a strong favorite. But even though a lot of us had Ward by a wide margin in their fight, don't forget that two of the three judges had it 115-113 for Ward. Does that speak to awful judging or speak to the fact that Froch's style of keeping busy and coming forward with that jab is a kind that gets rewarded by judges? I think he can keep it close and hope he can get Ward to trade with him. But, yes, it's Ward in the end.
But how do you not love Froch wanting that fight, though? When a guy always wants to face the best, it makes the sport better.
Brian, any news on Magomed Abdusalamov? What's the latest on him? That cat is must see if you ask me. Thanks
Haha. I don't have any updates on him but agree that he's an entertaining fighter. And it's not just that Count Dracula cape he used to wear to the ring. His flaws make for fun fights when you mix it with that power.
BRAIN, GUS HAS JUST ENTERED THE CHAT ROOM.
Guys, he's back. It's Gus, everyone. Welcome.
The loser leaves town... in a bag.
How ... dare ... you.
A side from Canelo and Ortiz...who would you most like Cotto to fight in September?
I personally don't want to see him move up to 160 and believe it's a bad idea for him. I would obviously take a fun fight with a guy like Angulo. Similarly, a fight with an Andre Berto definitely intrigues me. But back to what I said about him fighting as a middleweight for a second. Cotto calls his own shots, as we know, as a promotional free agent and is in a great spot. He only wants to fight the best. So if a move to 160 is in the cards for him, how about a real super fight on PPV against Sergio Martinez for the middleweight title. Maybe work out a catch weight. Am I the only one who likes this?
Really.... How good is Mike Alvarado?
It's tough to get a real handle on because most of us believed him to be an exciting brawler who could box a bit. But a guy who probably would be unable to get over the hump against a top-end guy. Then he came out against Rios in the rematch and really stuck to his game plan perfectly, survived another war and won a close fight by finishing strong. But do I believe he can do that against a guy who can really box? I don't think so. A fight that would really intrigue me personally is Alvarado and Bradley to try and answer that question.
At his age, and given his recent history of injuries you'd have to favor Cotto over Sergio wouldn't ya?
I would still favor Sergio as the bigger and more dynamic fighter. But I also am not in the camp who thinks Sergio is old or on the road to being a little shot. I just think Sergio is injured. And even though Cotto is definitely in the twilight of his top-end run, I think he makes that a fun fight and has a shot. Two years ago we would have been saying Martinez by dominant KO. It's closer now, but I still really like Sergio.
B.C. So any word on the coldest boxing match ever?...lol
You know what, I'm a little disappointed. I haven't seen every question that has come in, as they have been coming pretty fast the last hour. But as far as I can tell, no appearance from Chris Fiegler yet. It really isn't a #TBC without that guy.
Mike Alvarado is THE best junior welterweight in the world Chris in LA....
Felix has spoken.
Let's say Cotto moves up to fight Martinez for the MW title and wins. What does he do? Does he defend the title?
He probably would and it's not that there aren't middleweights that he couldn't beat, but the size factor would really catch up to him quick for my money.
Lamont Peterson vs Zab Judah fight wouldn't be bad fight to see put it on the under card of Matthysse vs Garica the winner to fight each other
I believe that is the plan, already. Love that as an undercard fight.
Hey Brian, always enjoy your chats!!!!! I thig Mattysse is a bit overrated!!!!! He fights very flat-footed, and hits behind the head a bit too much for me. He did beat up Peterson who chin is suspect in the early rounds of all of his fights. Mattysse true test will be when he fights two of the best boxing technicians in the game right now which is either Mayweather or Broner!!!! I always enjoy talking boxing with the astute BC!!!!
Many thanks, Michael. I understand there are going to be those who share the same belief as you. And it's only natural considering just about everyone wanted to crown Lucas after that fight. But I really believe he's going to keep proving himself as being the real deal.
Froch is such a exciting fighter, so many fun fights to be made. Probably will never happen but how good would Froch vs JCC be.
That would be a fun one, right there. It's a UD for Froch no matter which way I slice it in my head, but I'm of the belief that I want to see Chavez in there with anyone and I know it's going to be fun.
If we call you BRAIN as opposed to BRIAN, do we all get a shout out like Gus did?
No, you don't. I figured Gus was just so excited to make his entrance that things like spelling and grammar aren't important to him.
DO YOU THINK FROCH NEEDS ONE MORE SIGNATURE WIN TO MAKE THAT PUSH FOR THE HALL OF FAME???
All I know is Froch is making moves quick by piling up these big-name wins and simply being so willing to constantly face the best. I think he's going to end up with a much higher ceiling than especially I ever thought.
Was De La Hoya's biggest mistake moving up to MW? The difference showed in the Sturm and Hopkins fight.
We look back and say it was a mistake, but I have a lot of respect for that because it's called "daring to be great." Oscar took his swing and he came up empty. He made a ton of money trying, of course. But it's not like he was on some kind of an unbeaten streak or anything where he you look back and say "that was a poor move at that point in his career." I respect him going for it.
You have to bet on either GGG (vs Ward) or Matthysse (vs Mayweather). Who do you pick?
If I have to bet on one of two to win and both fights are happening tonight, I go with GGG.
Who is your favorite person to watch a fight with?
Unfortunately, I have watched pretty much 90% of the fights I have consumed in my life alone. Boxing really wasn't big at all and even today none of my close friends are really interested in it at all. It's kind of sad, if you think about it. Makes you feel like it's a closet habit or something, haha. Can anyone else relate to this?
Felix I Agree just wanted to see what the experts think. Alvarado KO's Bradley just as ruslan almost did!
Big-time Mike Alvarado fans in the house, today.
My dream fight for Alvarado would be against Danny Garcia n or Lucas Matthysse
Unfortunately it will remain a dream. But I agree those would be fun.
Hey Brian, Note to all overly dramatic and utterly pretentious boxing blow by blow announcers: It's not a "frame" and it's not a "stanza".....It's a doggone ROUND, for crying out loud!!!!! Wouldn't you agree? .....HaHaHa
Haha. No necessarily, but I love your passion just the same.
Wlad vs prime riddick bowe. Who wins?
If we are talking about the Riddick Bowe from Nov. 13, 1992 on the night he defeated Evander Holyfield in the best shape of his life as a 6-5 heavy with fast hands, an iron chin and the ability to box on the inside -- I take Riddick. I'll take Wlad in almost every other incarnation of Bowe. In the great debate of "on your best night" I would put Bowe of 11/13/92 up against any heavyweight of all-time.
Brian, What's your preference? pure boxing skills at the highest level or raw punching power
This guy Peter making a run at the All-Chat team with a good run of questions. I lean to pure boxing skills when it's done at a high level.
STOP THE COLD WAR!!!!!!
You should organize a protest outside of the Golden Boy and Top Rank offices.
Yes, it seems as though whenever I bring up a boxing match, even a Mayweather fight, no one in the office knows anything about it. They may know who the Pretty Boy is, but that's about it.
Yeah, isn't it the worst? Whenever I meet a stranger in public (like in line somewhere or in a waiting room) and they even remotely have some fight knowledge, I jump all over them and talk their ear off. They probably think I'm crazy, haha.
Dan Rafael vs Tom Arnold in a street fight.Who wins.
Oh man, love the matchup. Two funny guys. Close call.
Oh man!! I can totally relate to the closet habit...sometimes I feel uncomfortable even bringing up boxing around my friends. Some people just don't get it...thats why I Love these chats!!!
Agreed, my man. These are our support groups, in a way. Twitter allows the same thing.
Who does GGG have to beat to get a mega fight.
I think he's got to just keep doing what he is already doing and that's stay busy, look outstanding and keep knocking them down one by one. Eventually he will get THAT FIGHT that springboards him.
Whenever there's a boxing fight and a UFC card on the same night my roommates and I set up 2 TV's. They prefer to watch UFC on the bigger TV and then at the end they ALWAYS say, "man, the boxing fight was crazy."
I can relate to that. Although I definitely enjoy the UFC, as well.
I feel your pain, Brian. A couple of my friends have shown interest in boxing, but I feel like they are humoring me more than anything else. They simply don't act like a giddy school girl like I do before big fights. It's embarrassing sometimes.
Haha. There really is nothing better than that shot of adrenaline you get when the two fighters begins their ring walk. Best moment in sports.
You left out the best part of my comment!! haha
Haha. Editing keeps us both out of trouble.
What do you mean "funny"? Am I a clown? Do I amuse you?
Haha, well played.
do you cover fights for espn and if so how often and where
I am an editor and contributing writer so I only get out to a handful of fights here and there, typically all in the Northeast. But believe me, no complaints here. Best part of the job, by far.
Hi, my name is Kyle... and I am a fight freak. I'm so glad we now have a support group.
Welcome. We feel your pain here.
Can Tyson Fury give either Klitschko a competitive fight?
At this point, no. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't be excited for it to get signed.
More impressive...Froch UD over Kessler or Ward TKO of Dawson?
I like the Ward one better. Total domination against a fighter who was the lineal champion of a weight class above him. Can't argue with that.
When ever Im down I think of Marquez going down for the third time agaist pac and getting his nose broken, how the hell was he able to get up and win all those rounds..... Marquez great inspiration
I like that. There's obviously a lot of inspiration we can pull from many of these fights. And that's why we love them. I always think of the face Gatti made when he got up from that body punch against Ward in their first fight. Seriously, name another fighter on the planet in that same situation who would have gotten up. That image alone should be able to motivate you to get through anything.
I have successfully converted two of my close friends into jr. freaks. However in general, boxing seems to be at large. It also drives me nuts if I overhear two people discussing it and how no idea what they are talking about.
I had that same situation at jury duty a few months back. One guy was just going off about how Marquez would destroy Mayweather if they had a rematch today. That was one of those situations where I just stayed out of it and shook my head.
Ward against GGG, who you got?
I've got Ward, but I think Golovkin is the only fighter alive who could make 168 that has an ok shot at beating him.
BC, humor me for a moment - ignoring all business aspects of it, name me 1 or 2 guys at 147 or 154 that Floyd Mayweather would avoid at all costs if the only thing that mattered was preserving his undefeated record. I asked Chris Mannix this and he threw out a couple of interesting 154's - Lara and Carlos Molina.
Lara is a good call. No chance he would fight Sergio or GGG at 154 under the same thought process. I think the same with Broner, too. I know they will say it won't happen because they are friends, but similarly I don't think Floyd would want to take that challenge. Obviously that's providing that Broner is truly as good as a lot of us think he will end up being.
1988 Tyson vs prime Wlad?
Tyson. How can you stop that?
Hi Brian! Love your chat :) Question. Who wins. Prime Floyd vs. Prime Duran and Prime Mosely at 135
I'll take 135 Floyd over Duran and I think the Mayweather-Mosley at 135 fight is seriously a toss-up.
Hi my name is Rob and I have been an avid boxing fan since 1986. I DVR Friday Night Fights every week and I have watched every episode of Legendary NIghts at least a dozen times...my wife thinks i have a problem
Haha. Best part about your speech there was the "Legendary Nights" part. Obviously every true fight fan has seen them all, but the funny part is they were so good and are so ridiculously rewatchable, that the next question becomes how many times have you seen each one? I swear I've watched the Bowe-Holyfield one at least 40 times.
Hey brian, do you feel floyd should give in to the15 or 20 pounds canelo may have come fight night if they fought?
Under the heading of "daring to be great", yes, I believe Floyd should take the fight at 154 against Canelo in a division where he is a two-time titlist and currently has a belt. I don't disregard that there is a legit size difference come fight night, but that is inherently what sells the fight and pushes it up above $2 million PPV buys potentially. Let's also not forget the speech Floyd made about why he wanted to fight Cotto at 154 and not force Miguel into a catch weight.
Did someone really say that Mike Alvarado would KO Tim Bradley? Amateur hour...
First sign of Alvarado hate in this chat. We were headed to a shutout unanimous decision of straight Alvarado love before Alec jumped in.
Brian, do you think that Tim Bradley will ever be an elite P4P fighter in the future?
In the future? He already is. He's No. 9 on the ESPN P4P list right now: http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/9249693/espn-pound-pound-rankings
My friends do however think I am crazy when I get my notepad out and hand draw my scorecard and score the fights.
Haha. Now that's a total "nerd" fact that I can relate to.
Brian, what was Froch talking about when he said that Kessler was cheeky for coming to England to fight him? I don't understand what Froch meant. Would he rather have had Kessler refuse to fight in UK and mandate a fight in Denmark? It doesn't make any sense.
Not really sure, I don't speak British.
Agree with Alec, Bradley is seriously underrated by fight freaks.
He's as flawed as anyone, but man does that guy bring it.
Bowe must have not felt the same way you do about his skills cause in 92 he was ducking lennox lewis
Good point. But even though Bowe had lost to him by KO in the '88 Olympics, a lot of that whole circus scene of throwing the belt in the garbage (which is pretty hilarious if you think about it) came from above and his manager Rock Newman. I think they knew what they had, which was a talented but unmotivated guy and they were looking to match him soft and keep the money coming in rather than match him right away with Lewis after such a tough fight with Holyfield.
OH!! Corey's throwing haymakers!! Mauro Renallo would love this guy.
That was a good counter shot from Corey. Much respect.
Here is a schizophrenic question that will spin ur head for a second---but I'm always curious--- Young, strong, prime George Foreman vs. Old, More Patient and experienced, still strong George Foreman ??----and lightning fast Cassius Clay vs. older, more experienced and ring savvy Muhammed Ali??
I pick Old George because he was way smarter and patient (and still had an iron chin) and I'll take young Clay. But that second one is a lot closer.
Rematch, jones vs toney?
Coming soon to a state fair near you. Each ticket gets you a free pass to the tractor pull right after.
On the subject of "daring to be great", nowhere near enough fighters do that nowadays and it is the most frustrating thing in boxing. For example, there is talk of a catchweight for Froch v Hopkins, why? Go out there and win the genuine title at 175.
Good point, Liam. In this case it's Froch feeling so comfortable at 168 and knowing he can lure Hopkins (who doesn't have a long list of suitors) into something like this. But overall, I'm totally with the daring to be great philosophy. I should patent the phrase and make t-shirts.
BC, I made it! Thanks again for the tweets Saturday night - what a lifeline! FYI freaks: if you're away from home and beyond the reach if HBO (and Sky Sports), ESPN Boxing's twitter feed (BC's play-by-play) is an oasis in the desert.
This guy Chris from NY making an appearance from vacation in Italy. Many thanks, my good man. That's first-team All-Tuesday Chat type stuff right there.
Brian..since Dan won't answer. 3 years ago. Pacquiao-Money. who wins? My gut is if they fought 10 times, Floyd wins 8 by decision, and manny puts him to sleep twice.
Floyd by decision in a fight that wouldn't completely live up to the hype due to Floyd's unreal prime dominance, but would have definitely had its moments thanks to Pacquiao's relentlessness. I've always felt a Floyd victory from the beginning, but if they did it 10 times, I'd give Manny three because his power was real and the angles he came at you were just ridiculous. Especially the version of Manny that beat Cotto. So I'm not too far away from you on that one.
Brian please assure me Floyd won't ever fight Danny Garcia or Devon Alexander
You know I can't do something like that, Uncle Drew. Floyd calls the shots. All of them.
De la Hoya vs Cotto, who wins?
BC there are alot of rumors about who floyd is going to fight next. If you had to bet your life on it right now, who would you say out of Canleo/Khan/Alexander/Matthysee/Garcia
I hope my life is worth more than this scenario, Ray. But I'd go with Khan.
Floyd vs. Matthew Hatton: make it happen!
One fighter looking to avenge his brother's biggest defeat. I can imagine the promotion now. Hey, it worked for Canelo-Trout, right?
If GGG did step in with Froch, do you think there might be some similarities to the Froch-Abraham fight, or is GGG too active and talented to let that happen?
Which weight class? (Cotto-ODH)
Do you think with a better team and attitude, Mayorga could have made the hall of fame? He could have had one of the more dominant runs at welterweight with the right attitude. His power and chin at 147 were no joke
Nah, I don't think his ceiling was too much higher than what we saw, even considering he threw away a lot of opportunities by not training properly. I think part of his maniac gimmick is what helped in in the ring. That awkward style where it looked like he was throwing punches with both hands at the same time.
So we are basically talking about the 2007 version of Cotto who beat Judah and Mosley in consecutive action fights at MSG versus the Oscar of 1999 from the Quartey-Carr-Trinidad fights. I'm going with Oscar here. Too skilled of a boxer. Great chin. Enough speed. Great left hook. His technique was fantastic.
No one beats a prime De la Hoya
Well ... except for Trinidad and Mosley.
I think Prime De la Hoya vs Prime Cotto is a real tough call! I assume we're talking at 147. Oscar had the height and hand speed. Both had devastating left Hooks. Cotto had relentless pressure. Both had big fights where they lost steam down the stretch. Such a tough call. Oscar maybe had the hair better chin so I give the slight edge to Oscar? You agree...
Margarito vs Mayorga now
I'd watch that fight and enjoy it. Right now. I don't care if you judge me.
Prime Willie Pep vs. Prime Alexis Arguello at featherweight?
What is genuinely the biggest case of a boxer ducking a fight?
Riddick Bowe literally throwing the belt in the trash to avoid Lennox Lewis has to be a huge one. He wasn't even trying to hide his ducking there.
Brian Oscar was robbed in the tito fight
You're darn right he was. Unreal how we never got a rematch when you really think about it.
BC which fight are you most looking forward to in June?
Zahir Raheem-Justin Juuko.
Just kidding, obviously. Maidana-Lopez probably has me the most excited with Malignaggi-Broner right behind it.
Brian, correct me if I am wrong but Ricardo made an entire career off beating 1 person. Vernon Forest and he beat him twice.
Not a bad way to look at it. Mayorga was also the perfect foil for guys who were hoping to look good in big comeback bouts (i.e. Trinidad and De La Hoya). He played the villain role so perfectly and because of his lack of technique, was so easily handled by guys who could punch tightly.
where would you rank by number lennox lewis in heavyweight history ?
I recently updated my Top 10 for a segment we did in "Making The Rounds" and had Lewis at No. 7.
Prime Iron Mike vs. the Jones Jr that defeated Ruiz for a heavyweight strap.....Who ya' got?
Oh come on, you can't dislike Roy that much to even offer that, can you?
Who do you like in that fight Maidana or Lopez?
It's a really interesting matchup outside of just the action potential if you think about it. My gut is telling me lean to Maidana but I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Harder puncher, matthysse or maidana?
Brian do enjoy watching MMA at all? I actually was a fan before I got hooked on boxing, and now I have no interest in the sport.
I am actually a pretty big fan. I do a lot of editing work on the ESPN.com MMA page and used to work on ESPN's "MMA Live" show a few years back. I'm just a fan of combat sports, in general. Started watching UFC back in 1993. Was huge into pro wrestling in the 80's and then again in the late 90's. I watch pretty much every UFC and Bellator card today. But with that said, there nothing that compares with boxing for me.
Wait, so are you saying you give Matthysse a shot again Mayweather Brian?!
I don't think you could come out and say he has no shot. I would obviously favor Mayweather by a good margin, but man would I love to see that fight.
I me crazy but during the time of Jermain Taylors run as Champion I always wanted to see him fight Tito Trinidad
Not crazy. That would have been fun. Trinidad just lost the fire after the Hopkins loss and was never the same. He was kind of like Hatton and Hamed in that regard where once that balloon was popped once, too much of the fighter's heart was taken with it.
Can you call MMA a sport? Where's the sport? If I don't want to stand and trade with a guy, I can dive at his legs? That's sport?
It is its own animal altogether. There are parts of the ground game that are so intriguing to watch and obviously elements of the stand-up game are comparable to boxing. But in the end, it's just not boxing.
I can't stand Dana White. He is the reason I don't watch the UFC.
I actually got to meet him a few months back during his visit to the ESPN headquarters in Bristol and it was a blast. Got a chance to pick his brain for awhile and hear his philosophy on things. The guy is such a huge boxing fan, too. I have a lot of respect for him but can obviously understand why his critics dislike him.
Funny how you referred to Hatton and Hamed with a line about balloons...considering both of those guys blew up like big, fat balloons.
Aaaayyyyooooo! He's got jokes.
That's just part of the sport, KT. That's like saying: "Is football a sport? If I don't want to throw passes, I can just run the ball?"
Still thining about it..... I like Oscar over Cotto at 147 in a Classic Matchup. Oscar did have the heart and chin to stand up to Cotto's relentless pressure and I think was more dynamic in his style to pull out the decision over Cotto. The Margarito Scandal makes it tough to settle on how good the Prime Cotto truly was. But trying to envision the fight over and over I see De La Hoya's range, handspeed and workrate prevailing even if he has to pick himself up off the canvas to hang on.
Brian, do you think that Ward should give Froch a rematch in the UK?
I hope he would be willing to for the betterment of the sport. I realize he doesn't need to. But let's see what happens.
Hey Brian ! Where do you see Jean Pascal going from there, since he got nothing in the books for this summer ? Yvon Michel must not be thrilled about that, since it's Pascal last fight in his contract with him...
Great call JP. I really don't know what to expect from Pascal, which is why I was so intrigued by the potential of the Bute fight to see who he was as a fighter now and what he has left. I know he had injuries, but you have to wonder how much Bernard took from him mentally in that win.
Brian, i can definitely relate to your characterization that watching boxing feels like a closet habit. But then I log onto the chats and I realize that's not true. I've gotten so used to watching it by myself that when a big fight comes up (i.e. Mayweather) I just tell my friends I'm not watching and I watch by myself. Less noise that way.
That's why I love connecting with you guys so much on here each week. Same thing on Twitter. One of the real positives of technology for fight fans.
Alright folks, another solid chat in the books. Thanks to everyone for taking part. Highlight of my week, as usual. Slow fight weekend coming up, but things bounce back big the following week. Look for me on Twitter at @BCampbellESPN and be sure to check out our weekly web show "Making The Rounds." New episodes each Wednesday. Let's talk again soon.