How is it, folks? It's Tuesday Boxing Chat time and I couldn't be happier to spend an hour or so talking the sweet science with you. Fire away with whatever you'd like to talk about. Big fights this weekend. As usual, the floor is yours. Let's do this ...
And the cradle .... WILL ROCK!!!!
Indeed, DLR. Rock on ...
Thanks for doing this Tuseday Chat Brian. Makes the week go by
No problem, Gabe. It's my favorite time of the week. Thanks for joining.
Brian, a lot of critics saying Floyd finnaly fighting some good opposition. Would it be fair to say that its a two way street? Meaning Canelo is finaly facing a true Champion, in this case the best. Even though I think this is a big jump in competition level for Alvarez.
Thanks for the question, Angel. I think Canelo finally got off of that block when he stepped up and accepted the Austin Trout fight in April. Before that, he truly hadn't fought anyone. Some of it was his fault and the fault of his matchmakers and some of it had been bad luck with potential fights with Victor Ortiz and Miguel Cotto falling through. But I am more than happy to see Mayweather accepting this challenge against a bigger opponent. It should be fun.
Hi Brian ur my favorite , why u think mayweather wouldn't fight canelo at 154 but he did for cotto , who you think will win
Thanks Tomball. You might end up being my favorite, too. Or something ... haha. Anyway, Floyd exercised his right as the bigger draw among the two despite the fact that he currently has a title in the division. You would have hoped he didn't need to do that -- and more importantly wouldn't have wanted to do that. But it's obviously not unprecedented and it's a luxury you get when you call the shots. We know Pacquiao has done it and even Oscar when he made sure there was a catchweight for the Hopkins fight even though Oscar, too, had a belt at the time at 160.
Soup! You said to bring our "A" game today. Hopefully this little nugget obliges... on this day eight years ago, Ricky Hatton got the signature win of his career by stopping Kostya Tszyu in Manchester, England, thus launching himself into boxing stardom.
My man KT! Our resident historian. Great little nugget there, Sir. That was a great fight. I remember that night well. I had thought Hatton was a fraud and thought he was going to get exposed that night, but it was a heck of a performance. I still can't believe Tszyu didn't make it out for Round 12. I was blown away at the time. Yelling and screaming, haha.
I will look into this right away and apologize for any technical difficulties.
Chat and a glass of pee. Life is good
Hey, all are welcome to the #TBC. Even JMM and his cocktail of choice.
Matthysse-Provodnikov NEEDS to happen, agree?
It would be nice, of course. Not sure it HAS TO at this point as The Machine has some bigger fish to fry. But Provodnikov is basically in that category where I'd be excited to see him fight anyone.
Marquez gives new meaning to the word "cocktail" (sic)
Oh that's just plain grody, Chuck.
Is Mattheyse vs Garcia going to happen?
I hope so. No definitive word yet, but you have to think Floyd not choosing Garcia for his fight now completely puts the spotlight on Danny. No turning back now. Golden Boy wants it. The Machine wants it. And so do all of us. Let's do it, DG.
BC, While I am super excited for the Canelo-Money fight, I think people are getting ahead of themselves predicting 1.7-2 million PPV's. Canelo has never headlined a show and is not well known to the non-Mexican sports fan. Am I wrong?
You make a strong point there. I said last week I predict it will do 1.8M in the end and that I believe it has 2M potential if they really GO FOR IT and promote it like a major fight has really never been done before. But you could make the argument that Canelo isn't nearly as well known in the mainstream as Oscar and Floyd were individually when they broke the record in 2007. So could that put it back down closer to the $1.5M level? Possibly. But I have to admit, I nearly drove off the road yesterday on I-84 in Connecticut when I saw a Canelo billboard for a local clothing store. Right off Exit 68. Couldn't believe it.
Hey Brian, I understand the many reasons why the fight couldn't have happened, but hypothetically speaking do you think if Floyd fought Pacquiao this September it would still sell better than the Canelo fight given everything that has happened?
Yes. I think right now that's still a 2M PPV fight. Not only because the star power and the fact that it would still satisfy so many people who just need to see it out of their anger that it never happened. But also because you need casual fans to put a PPV up to the $2M level. In fact you need a LOT of casual fans and they don't care that Pacquiao is coming off of a loss as much as people think.
Brain.... stop with the dollar signs on the PPV buy numbers. You're reporting purchases, not revenue generated.
You are right. I stand corrected on that. Excuse me while I edit that out.
As big as Canelo?s star power is, I believe Austin Trout or Erislandy Lara would give Floyd a much tougher fight, and I don?t see him going anywhere near either of them.
I'll agree with you on that one. However, neither of those fighters have the same ability as Canelo to potentially end the fight with one well-placed combination. And that kind of perceived danger sells even more than red hair and colorful personalities on reality preview shows.
Haha, I didn't mean to sound like a ?!?@.
No offense taken, but thanks man. I always make that error.
Brian did you get a chance to go to Amir Khan wedding?
I did and it was a blast. I even got to dance with Breidis Prescott.
Only about a month away for Gary Russell Jr has a rematch vs TBA. I'm pretty excited!
Should be a real test to see whether Russell can start taking 8-round fights on a regular basis.
Prescott was at Khan's wedding? Did they have the rematch and no one noticed?
I got to sit at the back table with Peterson, Garcia and Freddie Roach.
BC, so who you got this weekend, and we'll just stick to the main cards on Saturday night? What a great overall boxing weekend though! Super pumped!
Saturday is going to be a blast and I'm right with you in terms of excitement. I predict a clinical UD for Dawson, a rough-at-times UD for Gamboa where he looks up and down, I still can't decide on Maidana-Lopez (game-time decision) and I'll take Lara by UD. I also like Huck in a war.
Khan moving up to WW, what a mistake. He couldn't take the punches at jr.WW but he expects to have success at WW?
Well, Khan always seems to say that the chin issues have come from having to weaken himself to make weight. He said that after Prescott and was able to stand his ground in the late rounds with Maidana. Now he is saying it again after looking vulnerable in basically all of his recent fights. Can we give him one more chance with that excuse? I'll try, but it does sound like a flimsy one.
Safe to say Matthysse hits harder @ 141 than 140?
He might be the most dangerous fighter the 141-pound division has ever seen.
Great chat Brian! Who do you have in the Mitchell vs. Banks rematch and why???
Harry, welcome to the chat my man. I like Mitchell to bounce back. I don't think it will be pretty and he may continue to show that he is vulnerable to taking a big shot on the chin. But I think he has enough fight inside of him to avenge this defeat and come back strong. As far as where he goes from there, I say the jury is still out.
Wussup Brian! Thanks for the chat! Do you think Canelo is a tougher opponent for Floyd than PacMan was when he was in his prime?
No, I think a prime 2009 Manny Pacquaio -- specifically post Cotto when he had reached rightful, mythical hype -- would have been the toughest opponent Mayweather has faced. Canelo is obviously dangerous in many ways, but a bit too slow and less-refined than Manny to be a tougher draw at this point.
Bc, who you got, Money or Ginger kid?
I like Money very comfortably, don't get me wrong. But I respect that there's danger in this one. And when you are the best fighter in the game, you have to take on these type of fights.
Howdy Brian!!! Just wondering your thoughts on Amir Khan taking on my boy Devon. Also, would you agree that the winner of this fight will take on Floyd next year on the weekend nearest May 5???
This guy, JStats, St. Louis' finest. Thanks for the question. I'm really looking forward to this potential Khan-Alexander clash and think it's a good style matchup in many ways. And, yes, I would think the winner would have a great chance at scoring Floyd in the future.
The Penguins are bringing home Lord Stanley!
We don't talk hockey here, Mighty Quinn.
I wonder what the penalty would be if Canelo shows up at 154, and refuses to even try to lose the extra weight, a la Money-Marquez.
Haha, good call. He should just show up to the scale with a bag of chips and a check book.
Finally saw Shane Mosley's last fight. Say what you want but he's still competitive against B level fighters. At his age somewhat impressive.
Agreed and I'll definitely give him that -- although, Cano might be more of a C-level guy overall if you want to get technical. But Mosley's biggest problem right now is that he still has a good chin. It will keep him around as he sells his name to younger fighters. I don't want to watch that. He's already been through the wars and isn't going to be going out and winning titles anymore. But who am I, right? He can make a living any way he wants and it's obviously what he loves to do.
Brian a lot of people ask this and are generally confused. In the ESPN boxing hierarchy are you over Dan or is Dan over you?
No, Dan's the man, all the way. He is THE boxing writer for our site and does a great job. I am a boxing/MMA editor by day who also does a decent chunk of writing (and other things) by night.
Every time someone misspells your name "Brain" it makes me want to ask you: "What do you want to do today, Brain?" "The same thing we do every Tuesday, Pinkie..."ANYWAY, what do you see as the ceiling for the Baby Bull in his comeback? Think he can pull a title?
So there's that, haha. Anyway, Diaz is in a relatively weak division so I could see him grabbing a belt again, for sure. And he definitely has the name and the style to get himself in some fun fights moving forward as well. I'm all for having him back.
You think this fight is too big for Canelo? Maybe he isn't ready for this big of a fight?
I wouldn't go that far. Canelo had been waiting, just as much as we all were, to get himself into a big test and he finally got that against Trout and fought well. The thing that really impressed me, as I have said, was his poise and the way he stuck to the game plan and carried it out. I don't think even this stage will be too much for him in terms of going out and doing his best. He's got that thing in him that stars have. Seriously, meeting him in person even is impressive. It's hard to really put into words.
Just curious.....Don't you find it AWFULLY strange that after fighting him on three separate occasions and never knocking him down a single time, Juan Manuel Marquez fights Manny Pacquaio a fourth time and puts him on the canvas not once, but twice, w/ one of those knockdowns resulting in Manny going into a coma? Wouldn't you agree that that is quite strange? Hmmmm.......
Are you implying something?
If khan and mosley fought right now at 147, who do you think would win?
I think Khan would destroy him due to his hand speed and movement. Obviously Shane might land that one shot that ultimately wobbles Khan, but in my mind that fight would be a one-sided mess.
B.C. Floyd can learn a thing or two about being a ALL-TIMER...Sugar Ray Robinson fought guys like Jake Lamotta and Graziano and Maxim all very good fighters and they usually outweighed SRR by 15 pounds since they were MW's...That's Greatness!!
Brian, can Danny Garcia become a PPV star?!
My main man Antonio. Thanks for joining. I like Garcia's charisma a lot and his dad brings enough fireworks to likely make any "All Access" show a blast, but I don't see him making that leap, no. He would have to really leap into an even higher tax bracket in terms of his accomplishments and ability.
Sup Brian. I don't see how Canelo wins this fight seeing as tho the pace seemed too much for him at times in a slow Trout fight. He already fights at Floyd's pace and can only manage to throw in spurts. Can his conditioning get that much better by September? How do you see Khan/Alexander if that happens?
That's definitely something that Canelo appears to be up against, Josh, I agree. Unless he has a game plan that we haven't thought of yet, he's going to have to be BY FAR in the best shape of his career so he can really attack and try to corner Floyd and do some of the things that Oscar was successful doing. His jab really has to be there for him to have a chance outside of him catching Floyd with one big shot. But, that's why you buy the fight and watch what happens and it's why I'm just happy Floyd said yes. I can't stand when people say, "Oh Floyd would've beat him anyway so it doesn't matter." Some guys just have a way of matching up well with others that you don't see coming.
Fantasy matchup - Tommy Hearns vs Floyd at 147?
It's such a good matchup that it's ridiculous. Obviously Hearns had that kind of one-punch power that truly could finish anyone. He had the reach, too, with that jab. This one is really tough to pick.
Was it just me, or did Froch look sluggishly slow against Kessler in their rematch?
I didn't have that feeling, necessarily, no. I thought he was quick with that jab and it really kept Kessler's counter attacks from mounting any consistency.
BC, I know most consider the 140 lb. division as the deepest in boxing, and that's tough to argue; but if you had to pick a second, which would it be? I might have to go 126 lb. on this one...John, Mares, Garcia, Donaire (will be), Lopez, Ponce, and not to mention a slew of up and comers.
Not a bad call, and it would only be bolstered should Rigo ever move up, as well. Same thing with Santa Cruz eventually. But I really like 160, as well. There are some real strong fights that can be made there.
There is no Blueprint on how to beat Canelo
Not yet, you are right. I did score the fight for Trout, however, and it was very close. Could have gone either way in my view, but I understand why people rewarded Canelo for landing the heavier shots.
ESPN posed a question on FB the other day on the formula for the perfect boxer....mine is Pernell Whitaker's defense, SRR's offense, and Gatti's heart.What's yours?
That's a great call. I'd also add Nikolai Valuev's body hair and Jonathan Gonzalez's neck tattoo.
Don't forget Holyfield's Chin.
I'd take his heart even more, but I agree.
The Hitman is the ONLY person I would pick to stop Floyd at 147lb. Just a terrible matchup, his jab is ridiculous and his skills were great.
Do you think Golovkin would be a solid betting favorite against Sergio Martinez?
At this point with most thinking Sergio is on downhill, yes. It appears injuries and age have caught up with Martinez at the same time. But like I've said before and I'll say it once more, I think if he gets the chance to rest and heal that he will be back up there at a high level.
Seriously, Prescott was NOT at Khan's wedding. You have to be kidding.
Nah, I was just joking, he was really hanging out with me and "the man with the black hat" from the Peterson fight.
Who's better all time Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield?
Brian, everyone seems to suggest that the way to beat Floyd is to pressure him like Castillo. That seems wrong to me. I watched the old SRL vs. Floyd Sr. fight, and SRL broke down Floyd Sr.'s shoulder roll with a stiff jab and occassional right hand over the top. Isn't that a better blueprint than the Castillo fight?
That sounds like a great plan in theory, but guys with SRL's skill set don't grow on trees. I think the Castillo and the adapted Oscar game plan is what you have to look at if you are the bigger and slower opponent.
To be fair Rick, you really can't compare Floyd with his dad. Two completely different levels of talent and accomplishment. Roger was by far the most accomplished of the 3 Mayweather brothers.
Have you seen Lucas vs Sergio sparring? It's legit!
No, is there footage? Pictures or it never happened.
Would you like to see B-Hop finally get knocked out?
No, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
Somebody should've brought Prescott as their +1...
Hold on folks there's a fire drill. Not kidding. I'll be back ...
And we're back ...
I repeat, this is only a test.
Hey Brian, any word on Gamboa? Is he still promoted by 50 cents? Is there a title bout in the horizon?
Yes, still promoted by 50 Cent and you will see him on Saturday when he moves up to 135 to face Darleys Perez for a vacant interim title in Montreal.
Is the fire out?
False alarm, but thanks for the concern, haha.
Hi Brian, great chat!! If Mayweather wins the upcoming fight against Canelo, will this be enough to finally silence the critics of Floyd? Thanks!
This guy Joey Chestnut! Thanks for the question. It will do a lot to begin to quiet those critics, especially in comparison to him having not fought Canelo (and Pacquiao). The greater point is that it's true regarding Mayweather that his legacy is already determined. He has all-time great ability and is one of boxing's biggest individual stars in history. Those are things that no one is disputing. It's just when Floyd starts saying he's the best ever and his legion of fans start taking that and running wit hit, that's when people start to push back a bit and put things in better perspective.
Brian, I thoroughly enjoyed the hypothetical matchup of Floyd vs. Sugar Ray Robinson. You folks can keep coming up with more as often as you like. Such as 60s Ali vs Vlad, Henry Armstrong vs Roberto Duran, etc.
Many thanks, Keith. Glad you liked it. Plans are already in the works for more in the future.
Do you agree with me that David Haye has not fulfilled his potential in the sport of boxing? I mean, the guy is super talented, he's exciting to watch, but he doesn't fight as frequently as he should.
I can get behind that, Al. By the decisions he has made in his career (calling out the Klitschkos, then pulling out, only to take a fight and not give his all) it appears on the outside like he was after the payday above all. But I hope that's not the case and I welcome him in more fights. He brings a lot of excitement to one of boxing's most stale divisions.
Hey Brian, why do people try to discredit Floyd's career and will it take for people to acknowledge his greatness?
Again, I really don't think anyone is discrediting him when they complain about his resume. In fact, it's because his talent is so well revered that people naturally want to see him test that talent against the best possible opponents so that we have no question how great he truly was. It's really that simple. Everyone would love to say a fighter they watched from start to finish was truly one of the handful of greatest fighters ever. But you need to consistently dare to be great to get to that level.
HEY BRIAN, I REALLY HOPE CANELO'S CAMP CAN MAKE IT A MUST TO DEDUCT POINTS OFF OF MAYWEATHER'S HOLDING. HOW CAN THEY MAKE THIS CONSTANT HOLDING BECOME A MAIN CONCERN TO THE REF AND JUDGES THAT NIGHT? HOW CAN THEY STOP BURNT NINJA TURTLE FROM HOLDING, GRABBING, ETC?
Maybe if they write a letter to the commission in all caps.
Brian is it safe to say the winner of the Canelo Floyd fight is the best fighter in the world
If that winner is Floyd, yes.
Soup! Could you see a Broner/Russell matchup happening at some point down the road. Some serious speed in that fight.
I hope we see a lot of matchups involving Gary Russell Jr. I just don't know when he is ever going to take that next step and be healthy and do this. The guy is like a ghost.
Brian I agree that Mayweather has the bargaining advantage, and can ask for any demand he wants. But seeing how critical he was of Pacquiao for asking for catchweights for Cotto and Margarito, isn't it right to ask why he himself is now doing it to Canelo?
Based on his comments about not asking Cotto for a catchweight in their fight, yes, it is fair to question why Floyd is doing it now. I think we all know the answer though.
Floyd's camp is saying Canelo asked for the catch weight.
I read that. Not sure how that would/could be possible.
Any update on who Alvarado is fighting next. Fight with provodnikov would be epic.
No update, but I hope it's Provodnikov just like everyone else. Although, let's give Alvarado a break. He just had two consecutive wars. If he wants a "softer" touch, I'm all for it. He deserves it.
Had Trout won the fight against Canelo, would Mayweather have dared to fight him? I just can't see Floyd beating the much bigger and talented Trout. Your thoughts?
I wonder that same thing. They are both managed by Al Haymon so it wouldn't be a hard fight to make. You wouldn't think Floyd would so willingly engage with a difficult southpaw who can box and is bigger, though. With that said, it would be a very interesting fight. I think Floyd's boxing is just too good, though, and he would win a fun chess match.
Remember B, Defense wins Championships! Hahaha... My Prediction is JCC Jr will be fighting for the WBC super middleweight championship in Sept. (165 lb Catchweight)! What do you think? #WBCisDisgusting
This guy Glasses Malone, haha. You do love defense. I think JCC JR will be up at 168 sooner rather than later, yes. But I hope we don't see anymore catchweights in general. I really don't like them.
Brian: Though I think Canelo is not an easy fight for Mayweather, and Pacquaio would sell well even the moment he had smelling salt under his know, I actually think stylistically Khan is most dangerous because of his length and range (despite the bad chin of course). Do you agree?
I agree with you on most of that, yes. Even the Khan part. I don't see him ever beating Floyd, but I've always wanted to see how his length, speed and jab do against Mayweather in the early going and how Floyd adjusts to that. It would be fun, which is why I don't hate that fight for Money and have always hoped we got to a point where we could see it.
How would you compare this year in boxing, so far, to 2007? A plethora of great fights are on the schedule.
Great call, Wiston, on the fact that 2007 was such an amazing year. I have really, really enjoyed 2013 so far. It's been hard-hitting and been a really strong run. But I can only put it close to the 2007 level if I can go back to Sept. of 2012 and add the last three months in with it. Because, seriously, 2007 was something special. Off of the top of my head: Mayweather-ODH, Mayweather-Hatton, Taylor-Pavlik I, Cotto-Mosley, Calzaghe-Kessler, Vazquez-Marquez I&II, etc.
Are not Froch-GGG, Matheese-Providnikov 2 of the best fights that can be made????
I would love to see them both, yes.
100% agree with Terry (St Paul MN). This has been an unspoken truth for several years. Khan presents a huge stylistic prblem for Floyd provided he can eat a few straight rights.
Brian quick question: Do you have any idea about the undercard of the Floyd-Canelo fight?
No idea yet. But I'm hoping we get another good Mares fight to pair with it.
Holy Crap! My boss is back from lunch!
Ask him if he knows where the coldest boxing event of all-time was.
Brian, over/under : Wlad v Povetkin will never happenI don't believe Alex will ever face him, $ or no $
How can Povetkin not take this kind of money for a fight he has put off over and over again? It's time.
I think GGG would starch Froch....just one man's opinion.
Are they really talking about putting Garcia-Mathysee on the west coast? That fight doesn't belong anywhere west of New York City or Washington, DC.
I have to agree with you and would love to see that fight in Brooklyn. But that's just me selfishly saying that, haha.
Do you think Adrian Broner will be as great as Floyd Mayweather?
Not as great overall in terms of the combination of skill and stardom, but I think he has the potential to be boxing's biggest star and one of the top P4P guys once he enters his true prime.
Any hints as to who you'll feature in the next edition of "classic matchups". butterbean vs joe louis? (just kidding)
John Duddy-Andy Lee.
hi brian,who are some names you would like to see gamboa face after the weekend ?
Let's be honest here. If he can get his career back together and regain that P4P form to mix with his exciting style and crazy talent, he is in a fantastic spot being with an independent promoter considering he can take big fights with either network. If his goal is to continue to put on weight, then the opportunities are obviously endless at 140. I had always wanted to see him face Broner, although obviously Adrien is going to 147 now so that isn't as likely. I just want to see him fight and see him stay busy and try and figure out just how good he truly can be.
hey brian..What do you think is next for trout..on his fb he wants in on the september card>?
I saw him Tweet out where he was interested in facing Gabe Rosado. If that fight ever comes together, I would be interested in seeing it. Rosado is becoming very fun to watch against anyone.
Don't forget Casamayor-Santa Cruz was in 2007...I think that fight blows every Izzy-Marquez fight clean out of the water.
How ... dare ... you.
Does Broner really have chin issues, or is that all urban legend?
I haven't seen it yet, but you know, there are those rumors.
Brian, Canelo did say he would fight Floyd at a catch weight after he beat Kermit Cintron and he stated he would be comfortable to do it so Floyd ran with it!!
Yeah, but that was two years ago back when Floyd was still at 147 exclusively.
Great call on the "classic matchups". 2 "can't miss" Irish guys that both missed (at least so far for Andy). Lots of blood in that fight.
Why is everybody acting like Canelo clearly won the Trout fight? I am very confident in my scorecard of 7-5 Trout......Troiut is the best fighter at 154 and should be fighting Floyd.
I had Trout, myself. I thought he deserved a rematch, at least. But business called.
I disagree w/ Khan being that dangerous to Floyd. Yeah, he's fast and can jump in and out well. But he's not that technically sound, has bad defense, is reckless and would get outboxed. In fact, I think Floyd could walk him down Zab Judah style and beat him up. Khan can't fight backing up, he just fights and then runs inbetween.
I agree with you Kieran, especially on the defense part and the fact that he doesn't stick to his game plan enough. Khan's offensive brilliance would make it interesting to watch for a few rounds, but Floyd would make the adjustments and really start picking him off one shot at a time.
Yes, Chris John.
Marquez said in an interview that he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao anymore. Do you believe him? Up to now, I'm still thinking how come both Bradley and Marquez decided to fight each other for less money...
I was always drinking the juice (not the yellow kind) about that being just a ploy by Marquez to raise the price tag this whole time. But I have to say, I'm still surprised he chose the Bradley fight for less money, saying the chance to gain a title in a fifth weight class was more important to him. I still really hope we see a fifth one. Heck, I hope we see a lot of fights. Half of boxing is longing.
Weren't Duddy and Lee suppose to fight, and then Duddy suddenly pulled out and retired?
That is true. It was Jan. of 2011.
Over/Under on the number of kids Adrien Broner has.Line Starts at 10.5
Oh come on, that's inappropriate.
Brian, in your opinion, and for the good of boxing, what needs to happen to make GB and TR begin to make fights together again?
I really don't know. I used to have this scenario or that scenario and now I really don't know what to say. Time changes things. Sometimes two fighters with clout who are determined and deadset on fighting each other can change things. I just want this period of our lives over with.
Since everyone who beats up Berto gets a shot a the Pretty Boy, did Canelo at least get to slap Berto around in the Golden Boy offices on the final day of negotiations?
Haha, that might be the line of the chat. I'm sure Canelo had to spar Berto in a secret session at the Golden Boy gym under dim lights to earn the chance. No one gets to the King without going through Berto first. Everyone knows that.
Will Chris John ever fight a legitimate opponent ever again?
I don't see him coming back to America any time soon unless the money was overwhelming.
Gary Russell Jr's fight vs TBD on July 13th. Is that a rematch?
I think this is their fourth meeting, actually.
Speaking of the Cold War between TR and GB, what happened to fighters holding control? If two fighters of opposite stables want to fight, why aren't they demanding it?
It would take two guys with a LOT of clout to keep demanding and for them to be in a weight class where there really weren't any other options for each that made remote sense in comparison. So then they make the fight and it's a huge success and suddenly Bob and Todd are inviting Oscar and Rich over for a cookout. And then all is well again.
What ever happened to Lou Duva?
He's 91 and is retired in New Jersey.
Aside from another fight with Froch, what other matchups can Kessler make?
I'd like to see him against Robert Stieglitz.
Lou Duva went absolutely berserk!
"You're going to watch Lou Duva go crazy now! You're going to watch Lou Duva go absolutely berserk! This is one of the most unusual calls by a referee in the whole history of the sport!"
That's one of Lampley's most fun calls to hear again every once in a while. That guy truly has a whole lot of legendary ones. One of my underrated favorites has always been the Jones-Tarver II call: "Jay Nady stops the fight! And Jones is still on queer street. And that's ... AMAZING! What a statement by Antonio Tarver ... one big left-hand shot."
I still don't see how people have Trout winning. Canelo slipped alot of Trout's punches, and when Canelo landed he hurt Trout almost every time.
I felt Canelo left the door open for too many rounds by not being active enough. And even though Trout wasn't hurting him, he was effective with that jab and his constant flow of shots to the body. But, yes, Canelo's shots were definitely heavier and did more damage.
Your opinion on Steele's call in the Chavez fight? I thought he made the right choice.
One of the toughest calls to make in that spot. Knowing the situation, of course I want to say that I wish he let Taylor continue so he could win. But I give Richard respect for putting the fighter's health first no matter what the situation was. Deep inside, you have to agree with that.
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
That's his funniest one ever. No question.
You know what's a real underrated one from Steve Albert, too, it's his call from Holyfield-Tyson I: "No matter what happens from here on in, we are looking at a sports legend in the purple trunks. Evander Holyfield!" And don't forget Ferdie Pacheco jumping in with: "I can't believe what I'm seeing, it's the most unbelievable thing I've ever been privileged to witness." Great stuff.
"Stop it Frank. You can stop it anytime. Arturo Gatti is out on his feet. Frank Cappuccino is going to let them keep going!!"
Pound-for-pound, that might be my No. 1 favorite Lampley call of all-time. And rightfully so. Seriously, I get tears forming just thinking about that call.
OH MAAAW GAAAAAWD!! RIP Emanuel Steward
That's Emanuel's finest hour behind the mic. Ortiz-Berto Round 6.
Do you think Canelo will be content to coast to a decision loss?
Absolutely not. I see nothing but warrior inside of him and believe he is going to go for broke. That's another reason why this fight will sell so well.
More notable fights from 2007Barrera vs JMMEarl vs KatsidisMayweather vs De La HoyaPavlik vs MirandaHatton vs CastilloCotto vs JudahWilliams vs MargaritoMarquez vs VasquezJ. Diaz vs FreitasHopkins vs Wright (not FOTY quality, but 2 massive names)Katsidis vs Amonsat
Nice work, Julian. Almost forgot about Earl-Katsidis. LOVED that fight. Williams-Margarito was also a really good fight that gets completely lost looking back.
De la hoya did a great job getting floyd on the ropes. If canelo is going to land that one great shot that hurts floyd, he's GOT to get him on the ropes often.
Good call, Bri Guy.
amir khan vs. victor ortiz who would win?
First of all, I would win because that fight has been on my top 3 of my "Fights I want the most" list for years now. I really don't know who would win that because both have such vulnerable and unpredictable sides to them. Love that fight.
"He's not gettin' up, Jim!!!" RJJ
Great call. That one gives me chills, too. Not sure I've ever been as physically moved watching a fight as I was during that one.
BC I'm tired of hearing JMM is not elite. He lost his 1st fight by dq. Lost twice 2 PAC. List twice to 2 undefeated fighter that r still undefeated. Any thoughts?
That guy's elite. End of story.
Of course, Larry Merchant making jokes and being the first to laugh at them was always entertaining.
Larry Merchant during Mosley-Mayorga. "Shane Mosley, I love you!"
"He is 10 yrs younger! And he is the stronger man! And he is fighting in his home town!" Kellerman: "And he's hurt."
Berto Ortiz II has been marinating
I'd still order that dish in a heartbeat.
Been gone for most of the chat, did anyone bring up the BEST Junior Welterweight in the World, Mike Alvarado? Per the GOT, fighting on HBO in the fall in Denver...
Bern, Baby, Bern.
Who is saying JMM is not elite? #2 Mexican Fight of all time
"A sensational one punch knockout by a bloodied Juan Manuel Marquez and that is the keystone moment of his career" As a diehard JMM fan, that call literally brought tears to my eyes...
"They've had three very good fights... Is this too much of a good thing, or is too much of a good thing a good thing?... Let. The thing. Finally. Begin." -- Larry Merchant right before the first bell of Pacquiao-Marquez 4.
Alright, that one just got me fired up. Like, legit fired up. I might need to just end this thing and fire that fight up.
Brian, Was there ever an incident w/ Trinidad and his hand wraps? Could have sworn I had heard something about him getting caught up once in some funny business. If so, what was the story behind that? Thanks, brother.
I believe you are referring to his middleweight debut against William Joppy in May of 2001 at MSG. There were some issues with his wraps, if I recall. I'm not sure of all the specifics.
Jim: "Marquez's mouth piece is out"Roy: "No it's not, that was soemthing else"Larry: "I hope it wasn't a bridge"
Haha. I forgot about that.
How much do you get paid for these chats? just askin'
Are you not entertained?
IT HAPPENED!!!! IT HAPPENED!!!!!
That's my No. 2 favorite. It has to be in your top 3 or there's something wrong with you. It's as good as any in boxing history.
"Outclass is too big a word for what is happening here. But it's verging on that." Lampley on Trinidad/De La Hoya. Classic.
Its odd that people are praising Mayweather for taking a career high payday for a fight in which he is better than a 2-1 favorite. Its like he is doing us a favor taking our money.
Unfortunately it's come to that, yes, where we are praising him for doing his job. But, again, it beats the alternative of him retiring unbeaten having not faced much danger at all in the second half of his career. Some thought we were headed there.
Brian, who broke your shnozz?
I did. Ran full speed into a wall at age 2. Never recovered.
Antonio Tarver calls himself the "magic man", but Hopkins is the one making him dissapear right now. --Larry Merchant
"And we have a new era in boxing"...oops, sorry wrong guy.
The great Barry Tompkins on the call after Tyson-Berbick. Love that one.
Serious Question: How the eff can we consolidate these damn belts and have a unified sanctioning body? What is the political move that needs to be made?
Too much money being made with these belts for them to go away unfortunately. Kind of like the college football bowl system in some ways.
As a 9 yr old that Foreman ko of Moorer made me a boxing fan for life.
I feel embarassed to ask, but "IT HAPPENED, IT HAPPENED" is from what fight?
You're better than that, Chris. It's Foreman-Moorer.
2001 Floyd Mayweather vs. Diego Corrales"This is as bad as bad blood gets in our blood sport, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Blood is good. Blood is emotion. Blood is a story, a drama. Blood is what we want to see in terms of passion. What we want is a bloody good fight tonight."
Merchant should have his own category for this stuff. He's never been one for those "in the moment" reactions like Lamps, Albert, Steward, etc. But his closing comments before the opening bell were often epic.
You made a good point on how guys just matchup in a way no one see coming. Canelo is a thinker in the ring,, obvioulsy not on mayweathers level but thats why I see this fight being more disputed than most think.
One of these days, someone could end up being Floyd's kryptonite. Maybe not at a level to beat him, but maybe at a level to give us a great fight.
I know most people think Adonis Stevenson is a one trick pony. But that trick puts people to sleep. Think Dawson gets wobbled? I do
It's going to be interesting because that power is scary. I think Dawson outboxes him, myself and makes a mini-statement that he's back and strong at 175 again.
"I'm undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, WHO NECKS!! I want who's NECKS!!" - Sam Peter, like a boss.
Haha. Another classic.
I know it's not a ringside call, but "You better f-ing get inside him" right before Corrales TKOs Castillo is my favorite.
Maybe the best quote from a trainer during a fight since "You're blowing it kid."
How can you have Guillermo Rigondeaux in top 10 P4P when he has only beaten one quality fighter?
Did you miss the Donaire fight when Nonito entered as high as No. 3 P4P?
"Take him to the center of the ring and box his a--" ~ Manny Steward at ringside for the last time
Rest in peace.
Alright folks, great chat as always. Thanks so much for taking part and contributing such great stuff. Big shout to the Basement for keeping things fresh down there. I'm going to close with maybe Lampley's most emotional call and one of my favorites:
"This would be the most satisfying moment of Oscar De La Hoya's career. If he could finish this guy. If he could make Fernando Vargas eat his words. If he could KNOCK HIM OUT! AND HE DOES!!! Oscar De La Hoya has the most satisfying, the richest, the biggest, the most emotional win of his whole career!"
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