It's that time again, folks. After a one-week absence, the Tuesday Boxing Chat is back on the rails. Special shout out to the folks in the Basement holding it down. Let's talk about whatever you are feeling. The floor is yours ...
A'int talkin' bout lovvvvvveeeee!!!!!!
I wouldn't expect anything else from ya, DLR.
Best one-punch power: GGG, Kovalev, Stevenson, or Roman Gonzalez?
A great question to ponder, isn't it. A bit frightening, too. As a viewer it appears that Kovalev is the scariest puncher of the group. I was ringside for his fight with Campillo and it was alarming. But it's a close vote along with the others mentioned.
Welcome back my man!! I know this fight isn't likely to happen but who would you favor in a Donaire vs Garcia fight?
Thanks for having me, Vimel. Always great to hear from a #TBC regular, as yourself. I agree, the fight will never happen. The weight difference is also rather large. I would have to favor Garcia unless I was convinced by something unseen that Donaire could make that kind of leap and keep his power.
Hey Brian! So is BHOP really going to fight the new mandatory Sergey Kovalev? How much of a threat is he to BHOP?
That's a great question, Hiubert, and I'm as interested in anyone to see where this goes. You'd have to believe that part of what makes B-Hop marketable at 48 (outside of just the age) is the fact that he has a belt. So it wouldn't help him to avoid Kovalev and drop the belt unless he was able to secure himself a HUGE fight that would warrant a move like that. It's also not in Bernard's nature to avoid guys, as we know. But good golly. #ThisAintPascal.
Brian: Don't you feel like the Refs should let fights go on longer especially in big fights? Giving a fighter a chance to come back?
It always depends on the situation for me and what is at stake versus who is fighting. I have to agree with my man Mauro Ranallo who said at the conclusion of Lopez-Maidana that he'd always be in favor of a fight being stopped one punch too soon than one punch too late. I can get behind a mission statement like that. The line does tend to get blurred when a major title is at stake or when a fighter has a known history for being able to withstand the storm and come back. In the end, safety has to rule above all else. I do realize, though, there is no bigger buzz kill than a fight being stopped prematurely.
Soup! Welcome back after a week off. I posed this last week, and most people were against me. I though Josesito should have been allowed to continue against Maidana. Not saying he was unhurt, but he was ahead, and not "out" in my opinion. He protested as well, though most fighters do. Your thoughts?
Scott, it's great to be back, my friend. In this instance, it was close. I was away all of last week at a conference and didn't get a chance to finally watch Lopez-Maidana until last night. In the moment, I agreed with Lou Moret's stoppage because of the fact that Lopez was getting rocked and was faltering back into the corner and simply wasn't throwing back. And that was a major part of the equation. I do understand that it appeared he had more to give and, as usual, the fighter seems to gain a burst of energy after a stoppage even though seconds before he wasn't showing any. It kind of reminded me of Calzaghe-Manfredo where it was obviously that Manfredo wasn't hurt or in trouble, but he was just simply not throwing anything in return and was getting peppered so much that it puts the referee in a tough spot.
BC, welcome back! WTH has happened to Gamboa? The guy was can't miss television a few years ago and now his career is going downhill and fast! I think he needs to drop 50 and get with a real promotion company.
Yeah, it's kind of a sad state of affairs because Gamboa has allowed himself to just fall from the ranks of relevancy. Yet he hasn't lost. Hasn't suffered a debilitating injury. He just seems to be making bad career decisions. I mean, let's remember, this guy was in the P4P discussion. He was vulnerable and exciting. And even now, he's not really in a horrible spot being that he's flexible in terms of which weight class he is willing to fight and he's with a third-party promoter so you would assume he could fight on either network. Yet each time he reappears, he only seems to hurt himself more. I'm not sure what the answer is. But the solution probably begins with him rededicating himself to his craft.
To Al (York Pa)'s point, if a leneal champion is on his two feet after a first knockdown, you HAVE to give him a chance to fight for his title. Chad Dawson deserved that.
It's a worthy debate. Watching the replay of that at full speed had me wishing referee Michael Griffin had given Dawson a chance, mostly due to the situation at hand. But, again, you have to go back to safety and if Griffin saw something he didn't like and something he wasn't going to let himself live with had he let the fight continue, than you have to, at your core, agree with that. Allow Chad to fight another day.
Chad Dawson was out on his feet. He would have quite possibly gotten killed if the ref let it continue.
Also, on the stopping fights too early: Joe Cortez gave us 44 unreal rounds of Pacquiao and Marquez and the defining rivalry of the generation that a LOT of refs would not have allowed to ever happen.
That point sparks a conversation, for sure. But Marquez had a much clearer head, or so it appeared, and was steadier on his feet upon beating the count.
Canelo against prime Vargas?.Imo, Vargas knocks him out.
I don't know. I like Canelo in that one. I think he's more polished and we are going to see that as his career carries on.
Steve Smoger would have given Lopez a chance to continue for sure
Smoges definitely would have made an educated decision based upon what he was seeing. But you very well might be right in that case.
Brian: When is ESPN going to give You and Dan and Teddy your own Boxing weekly show? Very much needed and could be the best show on TV?
Wow, thanks for the support, Al. That idea sounds good to me, haha. But what should we call it?
Dawson needs to find a new career. No way he is the same after 2 KO in a row
Dawson's problem has always been getting out of his own way mentally. If he comes back and makes another run at it, I don't think he's going to be as physically shot, necessarily, as people are suggesting. But I do think that mentally the doubt could begin to creep in. The guy has a ton of talent but I just don't think we've ever been able to find out how good he really is/was.
I know his team says he can but do you really think GGG can make 154 and be the same killer he is at 160?
First of all, you have to love GGG's willingness to go as low as 154 or as high as 168 to take on all comers and secure a big-name fight. That's so good for the sport. But I interviewed him in his hotel room in NYC in April and that was one of the big topics I really wanted to chat with him about when we were making small talk after the interview. Both him and his team confidently assured me that 154 would not be an issue. Fighters say things all the time, of course. But there wasn't an ounce of hesitation in his voice. He did end the talk about 154 by bringing up Mayweather's name and then laughing.
Hey Brian, i'm the guy formerly living in Ireland, back in the states now...Love the chats! It's like Larry Merchant says before a stoppage the ref should know the fighter, be able to see it in their eyes that they can continue.
Nice. Welcome back, Peter. Great point about knowing the fighter.
What is your prediction for Malignaggi v Broner this weekend?
Late stoppage for Broner. When he sits down on those punches from close range and begins to realize that Paulie can't hurt him, it's going to end bad for Malignaggi. But I am very interested in seeing the first couple of rounds and seeing how well Broner not only adjusts to moving up two weight classes, but whether Malignaggi can really be slick and give him trouble.
What do you think about Keith Thurman? who would you like to see him face next?
Like many, I was fairly skeptical of Thurman and how quickly he was being brought along. But I covered his most recent fight against Jan Zaveck and was thoroughly impressed with what he brought to the table. We knew he could punch, but his boxing and footwork were tremendous. Golden Boy is tremendously deep at 147 and 154, as we know, and I'd love to see him in there against anyone, especially Broner down the road. Thurman's also one of the funniest guys to interview.
Glad to see Riddick Bowe back in the fight game! He looked awesome in that mai thai competition. Sure that first loss was a set back but I can see him dominating the 300 pound weight division one day!
This guy Stevie has jokes, but obviously just a sad situation all around. Also love that you called it a "mai thai" competition. Great stuff.
Brian, Great Chat so far. I think there are 4 absolute beasts in boxing right now. Kovalev, Golovkin, Stevenson and Matthyse. Anyone else I am missing?
No, all four are very beastly. That is true. But please don't forget about El Chocolatito.
At what point in Broner's career do u think he gets that signature win? All his fights have been careful handpicked
The next one. Golden Boy is too deep in that 140-154 window for him to have another soft one. We are going to see just how good he can be over the next two years and I think he's going to live up to every bit of the hype.
Hi Brian, are you sold on Kovalev as 100% legit or do you need to see more? I don't even know if he has a chin because he blows guys out with his offensive barrages. I personally would like to see him do the do he does against one top ranked guy before I am completely sold.
I have to agree with you on this. I would love to see more and get to see how he responds with a truly slick boxer who also has size and durability. Obviously he has that kind of frightening power that will keep him in every fight and give him a chance to put any fighter away. But I want to see how well-rounded he really is and what kind of adjustments he can make during a big fight. So I'm not skeptical in any way and I'm clearly sold on his power. But let's see a bit more. He sure is fun to watch.
Khan is 2-0 with V Hunter do u think he will be able to help Berto?
It all depends on whether Berto is willing to make the adjustments necessary. He's too eager to fall into a war and has gotten by too long on athleticism over technique. He'll always be a fun fighter and he's got a ton of talent, but there's always been some form of a disconnect there in terms of putting it all together.
BC, who would you favor if Gary Russell's recurring TBA was Mikey Garcia?
Garcia. He's got every tool he needs.
Brian, I really enjoy and respect your chat sessions. That being said, you need to chill on that whole..."I saw Trout beat Canelo." junk. Trout landing the occasional jab (when Canelo wasn't bobbing and weaving to make him look foolish) doesn't a winner make. IMHO, Canelo, had he not let off the pedal so much knocks the guy out.
Thanks for reading, Chris. Not really sure I've been pushing the pedal to the floor on this "I saw Trout beat Canelo" thing, though, like you are portraying. I may have mentioned it in a chat that I had Trout winning a close fight that could have gone either way.
BC, going back to Riddick Bowe, I can't help but feel that his career didn't live up to it's full potential? That guy could do it all in his day. I was listening to Max Kellerman's radio show on ESPN LA and he was in agreement that Bowe was the first of the "current" modern heavyweights in terms of pure size and prototype of what we expect out of our heayweights. Would you agree on those fronts?
Oh yeah. There is no bigger fan of Bowe in his prime than me. None. That was MY GUY. Name another 6-5 heavyweight with a granite chin who could fight on the inside with uppercuts and quick combinations like that? I've said it before and I'll say it again: I know it was the perfect storm that night, but I would put the version of Bowe who survived the war with Holyfield in their first fight and won the heavyweight title in a battle of unbeatens up against any other heavyweight in history. Unfortunately, he was never that good again and not only couldn't stay in top shape, he literally was a shot fighter at age 28. But when you are talking about his best day versus another guy's best day, Bowe at least belongs in the conversation.
Kovalev-Stevenson. 1 round of fury
I couldn't even imagine what happens. It would be insane.
Do you think Danny Garcia can hang with Clubber Lang uh I mean Lucas Matthysse?
Not for long, no.
Mikey Garcia looks like a future Juan Manuel Marquez, what is your opinion?
Garcia is the total package.
Brian, I've heard some people say they think Lara would give Floyd his biggest challenge...are you one of those people?
It would be such an interesting style matchup because Lara has his moments of brilliance in terms of avoiding punches and being a sniper with that overhand left. But there's something missing for Lara in that he is unable to stay at that level from round to round and fight to fight. He's a very nice fighter, but he's not Floyd, who never seems to have a bad outing. Even on Lara's best day, Floyd comes out on top in my mind. But heck yeah I would love to see it.
If Broner takes Paulie's belt, agree that his logical first defense would be against Kahn? GB wins either way. Briner wins they have a legit superstar, Kahn wins they have a rematch a born again star.
I like where you are going with that, Chris. I really do. But Maidana's on a four-fight win streak and is probably a more likely match for Broner to continue to build the brand and put him in there against a tough guy who won't back down.
What does Mikey Garcia need to do to get into the top 10 pfp conversation?
He's basically in that 11-12 range on my personal Top 10. For me, he needs one more big win against a quality opponent or titlist.
Forgive me Sean (Richmond), BC and pretty much everyone else in boxing.... But I'm so done betting against Danny Garcia. He doesn't do anything great, or even that well at all, but he knows how to win man.
This guy Chris is just plain bringing it today. He has made a career out of proving people wrong and overcoming labels of being so "average." Because of that, can he make a fight with Matthysse more interesting than people are guessing it would be? He probably could. But watching him eat leather late against Judah while he was getting worn down doesn't make me believe he gets past Matthysse's hammer hands.
To Peter (Albany),A PBF-Lara bout would be @ the level of Pacman vs Clottey...no thanks
Well, there you have it. The people have spoken. I'd still be intrigued, however.
Disagree with Jorge. Mikey has a much better disposition than JMM. Much more patient fighter, I think he's going to take a page straight out of Mayweather's book. Stick and move, until you smell blood
He's almost robotic in his patience and technique. But his power moves guys and he's such a student of the game in terms of not taking unnecessary chances until the time is right to end it.
Hey Brian, is there any reason why I should think the Banks/Mitchell rematch will turn out any different than the first one? Has Seth learned some more defense since his first loss?
This fight really intrigues me for a lot of reasons. Mostly because I believe in Mitchell's heart. I don't think he's a world beater. But there's something to him that's just hard to put your finger on, even in light of his limitations. I do think he has what it takes to win this and it won't necessarily be a replay of the first. I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
Isn't Mattysse vastly overrated and just a hard puncher who will get embarrassed when confronted with a great boxer who moves well?
Obviously some of that still remains to be seen. But we know he responded well to the boxing of Alexander and Judah and put himself in a position to win those fights. And because of the result of those two fights, he seems to have altered his style and is bringing the heat a lot earlier in fights. I don't think he'll get embarrassed by anyone. But is there some level of overhyping going on? Maybe.
Does Gary Russell Jr. finally step up in competition by the end of 2013?
I hope. But I have to say I'm plenty confused on how he has been brought along, as is just about everyone. Injuries have only made that situation worse. A lot of air has come out of his balloon, for sure.
Hey Brian, I'm a brand new boxing fan. My friend, who knows a lot about Boxing, told me this guy Kimbo Slice was the next big boxing superstar. When's he fighting next? Has he already beat Packyao?
He fights Mayleather on July 4.
Fear me little man. Fear Rigondeaux too.
Hola Brian, ESPN's double standard on Rigo/Floyd is a graver misjustice than anything I've been accused of in Cuba. Why is Floyd's "masterpiece" over a severe underdog Rigo's "snoozefest" against the 2012 Fighter of the Year when Rigo took far more chances and came is as an underdog dismissed entirely as unready and not a mature professional?
Not sure what double standard you are talking about. I've given Rigondeaux plenty of credit for his victory over a top-5 P4P guy in Donaire. I was at the fight and aside from some very slow rounds in the middle where Guillermo relied more on defense than throwing back in return, it was a very compelling fight and a heck of a performance.
Matthysse has already faced Judah and Alexander... it took some adjusting, but he put them both down and lost a debatable decision. I think he has learned how to face real boxers by now.
Assuming David Price wins against Tony Thompson. Who would you like to see him fight next?
I think a fight between David Price and Tyson Fury is the best heavyweight fight that could be made. It's mighty intriguing.
i agree with you brian. Trout won the fight against canelo. Close fight. Punch stats dont mean everything but it backs up our point. Trout outlanded him by 40 blows
I had Trout winning but have zero problems with anyone scoring it for Canelo because the impact of punches was obvious to anyone watching. Canelo simply landed the harder, more meaningful blows. But he also took a few rounds off and only fought in 90-second bursts. He left the door open a bit too much, despite proving a lot of doubters wrong in the quality of his performance.
Brian, don't you dare mention Tyson Fury's name. I am so tired of his Muhammad Ali act.
It's not for everyone, that's for sure. And he's likely a bigger attraction than he is a prospect, but he's sure fun to watch.
Would you have had Drago over Clubber Lang?
Pre-Rocky fighty, oh yeah. That jab was ridiculous and the right hand would have ended Clubber's night early. I still can't believe Balboa had the key to the lock and was able to take the Giant down. Must have been the fact that he was the only fighter in history who could absorb 500 flush power punches to the face and keep coming back for more.
Ahh...finally able to make the Tues chat! this may not b a real popular question, but i would like to know. is Haye-Fury going to get made?
Clay, my man. Great to see you taking part. Not sure yet if the fight is going to be made, but I sure hope so. That's appointment viewing for me. You can judge me if you want, but I want everything to do with that fight.
Hi Brian! Welcome back! Can you give a shout out to the basement! We love you down there!
High five's to the guys downstairs.
BRIAN DO YOU SEE MAYWEATHER VS. CANELO POSSIBLY BREAKING THE LIVE GATE RECORD???
This guy Gus is always shouting. It very well could, my friend. I have held back from predicting this fight to break certain records because I just don't think it will, but I very much acknowledge it has the potential to. The next few months are going to be fun as this fight continues to get hyped.
My main beef with Lara and Rigo is that they are too unwilling to exchange when ahead. Compare them to counter-puncher-boxers like Donaire, Mayweather, Mikey
I can't argue with that. I felt in the Donaire fight that Rigo left the door open too much by simply dodging punches. It was brilliance, but it also allowed Donaire to pile up a few jabs and make a strong case for stealing the round since he was the fighter constantly moving forward. That's why my scorecard at ringside was closer than a lot of people watching at home.
"absorb 500 flush punches to the face and keep coming back for more"Why I am a fan who converted to the TBC
Brian - Where does Angulo go from here? After a setback against Lara, I think he can match up with Cotto, Martirosyan, or maybe Ishe Smith.
Considering Angulo was an action fighter coming in and not a guy taken too seriously as a title contender, I don't think this fight was too much of an actual "setback" for him. And that's even with the talk by some that he "quit." Pretty much everyone believed that Lara would box circles around Angulo for 12 rounds so the fact that Perro was able to cut off the ring like that and make it such a fun fight has to help him moving forward.
drago vs. lang = klistchsko vs. tyson
Very interesting parallels there, yes. But, if we are going to take this kind of fun debate seriously, I don't think Lang was even close to the fighter that a prime Tyson was. He was a flash-in-the-pan tough guy who came in, talked his way into a title chance, knocked out an emotionally wounded and distracted Balboa and then disappeared after likely pancreas and liver failure from all those body punches in the rematch. Lang-Tommy Gunn would be an interesting bout, however.
Creed v Tommy Gunn...Are you talking about Tommy Gunn post-Rocky street fight?
Pre-street fight when he still was full of confidence, but post-breakup with Rocky when he now had that bizarro Don King guy promoting him. What was his name?
Hey Brian! Can I get a shout out?! Think Berto will FINALLY get his shot at Mayweather?!
Shout out to Rueben, folks. Berto will only get a shot at Mayweather if he goes through the guy everyone has to beat in order to fight Floyd, and that's .... Berto. Wait, what???
Dont forget Mason Dixon.
No forgetting here. Still can't believe he let a 50-something ex-champion take him into deep waters.
Dan from Houston just won "Message of the Day"
That is true, but seriously, you gotta jab against a guy that old and make him come find you.
George Washington Duke = Don King."Hey Tommy... I didn't hear no bell." - Best line of any Rocky movie.
That's it right there. That's the guy.
Seems crazy putting this out there, but who would you have winning in their prime--Mike Tyson or David Tua? That would be like two rabid bulls going at it.
Tyson was more technically gifted pre-Don King and used too much head movement, defense and combination punching.
His name was George Duke "LETS PUT SOME HUSTLE BEHIND THIS MUSCLE!"
Rocky ends the Cold War. Is there anything this guy can't do?
Is it more likely for Top rank and golden boy to work together, by one of the companies temporarily leasing a fighter out to the other? Or a straight up co promotion?
Kind of hard to see any scenario as things stand right now where they work together. But what would need to happen in my mind is where you have two big-name fighters (one from each promotion) who get themselves on such a collision course to face each other and do nothing but constantly call the other fighter our for such a long time that maybe ... just maybe ... that forces the hand of both promoters as public demand increases for the fight to be made. But it would have to be short of a Mayweather-Pacquiao type level fight for it to happen. It was all a dream, right? Word Up magazine.
Brian, what does it mean if your favorite fighter is Maxie Rosenbloom?
It means you are really, really old now.
Stop it Brian, you can stop it at anytime.......... Brian Campbell is going to let them keep chatting
Oh that comment just straight up ruled. Nice work. That's probably my favorite Lamps call, too. Watched it again the other day and drew a tear.
What is the hardest punch you have every witnessed in person, BC?
That's a heck of a question right there. I've only been covering fights for just over two years now and there's always those undercard one-punch knockouts that sort of temporarily stop everyone's conversation and wake up the entire arena. Thomas Dulorme had one in particular in early 2011 that was jarring. I don't have a great answer off the top of my head. Kovalev finishing Campillo was impressive. Danny Garcia's left hook that demolished Erik Morales in their rematch was plenty violent. Still the best punch I've ever seen live was Victor Ortiz's left hook that floored Andre Berto late in Round 6. You know, the Manny Steward: "OOOhhhhh MYYYYYY GAWDDDDDD!!!"
Nice B.I.G. reference!
BC Have you seen 30 for 30 "the real rocky"? Creed was Ali
Yes I have and yes he was. But the real Ali wouldn't have lost to Balboa. Unless maybe he faced the Balboa from Rocky III and beyond who was roided out of his gourd.
It's too bad Rocky can't end the current Cold War. To me that is more important than an arms race against Russia.
Interesting perspective. Rocky hasn't done much for the ravages of head trauma, I'll tell you that.
R.I.P. Emanuel Steward ONE OF THE GREATEST!
Creed= Ali (flashy, talker, popular)Lang= Tyson (feared, KO artist, black trunks) lolDrago= klitschko (europeans best)
Where does Spider Rico fit in?
Question without the REF taking 2 points from Khan does he win the Peterson fight on the scorecards ?
I thought Khan won that fight even with the two point deductions. I really had a problem with the scoring in that fight.
Who you got Bronner or Malinaggi
Broner, dude. Late TKO. You heard it here.
heeyy yoo a Brian what if a you know ThunderLips were to take on Drago?
Boxing = Drago. MMA = ThunderLips.
Nah, I don't know if I can get behind that. Rico was like a real-life journeyman.
What do you think of Gamboa ?
Love Gamboa. So fun to watch. But that was two years ago, at least. Not sure what's happening now and he's older than most assume.
BC, what's the fantasy boxing game you guys play and how can I jump on that?
If you are referring to Twitter, a bunch of boxing writers take part in what is basically a "picks league" run by the great Adam Abramowitz of Saturday Night Boxing. It's just for fun. Dan Rafael won the season title last year.
I dont even remember spider rico! who in the hell remembers journeymen
Come on Rocco, he's currently your dishwasher.
They'r putting some serious promotion on for the Canelo vs Mayweather fight.
They are and it's really good to see them going city to city like that. This is big for boxing.
Can a fighter who doesn't make weight get an enema? Or take water pills to lose the weight?
I wouldn't be surprised if they have tried literally everything.
Hello Brian, love these chats! Thank you for having them! I was really impressed by Crawford. I see him outboxing and schooling Gamboa. Would love to see that fight and it can happen since Gamboa is with 50 Cent. What say you?
Interesting call, Tony. I, too, have been impressed by Crawford's poise and slickness. I would love to see that fight against Gamboa and it's clearly a dangerous one for Yuri in terms of there being potential for him to lose on the cards. I'd be all over that.
With September creeping up, is it just me, or are the Mathysee-Garcia negotiations taking a bit too long? Especially with them having the same manager?
I agree. Let's get this thing signed.
okay first things first....am i the only one who thinks your partner Brian Grisham looks like eminem??
You mean Todd Grisham? I don't see the resemblance.
Do you think David Price will win the rematch with Tony Thompson?
I do. I think he wins big, too.
Soup! I'm going to need some help today. I can't come up with any significant fight or event on this day in history. Yesterday's history was loaded, and tomorrow has the anniversaries of Louis-Schmeling I and Trinidad's first title fight against Maurice Blocker, but I'm out today. Will you guys help a fellow freak out?
The great historian KT could use a little help here, folks.
Hi, Brian. Just catching up (that darn work thing). I'd prefer not to acknowledge Rocky V even exists.
I'm not sure what you are talking about? (Agreed.)
Spider Rico = Emanuel Augustus?
There it is!
Dont these silly "Rocky" questions irritate you?
I wouldn't say irritate, no.
Brian, I've always wondered why people say that fighters that come out of the midwest haven't been "tested" yet or aren't as skilled as fighters from the east and west. Any sort of answer for this?
The dreaded east coast bias.
Even though Ortiz' punch against Berto was a great punch, it didn't knock him out. Search up Stevenson vs Jesus Gonzalez. That punch was just silly
Oh, I know about that one. And it was unreal. I was just referring to great punches I have witnessed live.
On this day in boxing history the original Filipino icon Pancho Villa KO's Jimmy Wilde in 7 to win World Flyweight Title in 1923.
There you have it, KT. Not sure that moved the needle, though.
Say what you will about Rocky V. Morrison (along with almost everyone on the planet) was a better actor than Tarver.
Forget Rocky V? The Tommy Gun street fight was a pure war...and don't forget "Hey Tommy", you knocked Paulie down, how bout trying to knock me down"...or something like that.
Haha. Love that you included that line. For some reason, it was my Dad's favorite of all the Rocky movies. He still catches me off guard once in a while with a: "Won't you try knocking me down?"
Thanks, Brandon. #freakshelpingfreaks
Spider Rico = Vinnie Maddalone.
Actually, considering we are talking heavyweights, you might be right on Ben. By the way, Maddalone's war with Brian Minto in their first fight in 2004 is my favorite FNF fight of all-time. It was the best bar fight that happened to take place in a ring.
What do you think of Peter Quillin ? Do you believe he could beat the top middleweights like Martinez or Golovkin ?
You know what, I'm not really sure what exactly I think of Quillin in relation to the other top middleweights. He's exciting and he seems to raise the bar each time I want to question him. I'd be very interested to see him against some top guys moving forward. His power is impressive.
Creed in Rocky 4 (before he died of course) vs. Tommy Gunn (post street fight) in a crossroads fight. I think Creed takes him.
Yeah, Creed outclasses him badly there.
How come no one has called you Brain yet? What's going on here?
Mayweather v Quillin at 160 (i know it would never happen). What would your thoughts/pick be?
I'd still take Mayweather but it would be mighty intriguing with Quillin's size and power.
Brian-what is your prediction for Pacman-Rios? I am having a hard time dealing with Manny on downturn give me some hope.
As long as Manny isn't finished, I think he gets by Rios. He's just too talented for him in my view and Rios will also be moving up in weight again. But I don't see any way that this fight isn't fun, especially with the fact that we really don't know what Pacquiao has left.
Will the almost year long layoff hurt Pacquiao?
I don't believe the layoff will be a problem. After a KO like that, you need to take some time away and take a long, hard look at things before coming back.
Ali got knocked down by Henry Cooper on this day, too, in 1963. His second trip to the canvas ever. He got up and went on to do other things.
Those "other things" were pretty awesome.
Do you rate Andy Lee? Do you think he could win a world title?
I think he's got some real talent, but he gets pulled into a battle too easily and doesn't seem to have that extra gear to beat a real top guy. Love watching him fight, though.
Do you think Bowe gets the message or do you think won't stop until he boxes once more as a heavyweight??--- He has been tweeting for everything for Lennox Lewis to come out of retirement to a fight with the Klitschko's---and he's serious too !! Do you think his 2 round fiasco brings him back to reality or does this not stop until he loses to a journeyman Heavyweight ??
He's just fighting for the money. Bottom line. And in this case, someone was willing to pay $150K for his name. It's just sad. I don't think we will ever see him in a boxing ring again and I sure hope we don't for his sake.
why don't you have Tyson at your top 10 of all time heavyweights? no disrespect but i think that's crazy man
His run at the top was just too short, unfortunately. If you are talking about a ranking of guys one their best day or in their absolute prime, he's up there. His top-end talent was unreal. But he couldn't keep it together.
Best quote from Rocky 2: hey Rock you ever think about getting into condominums? Rocky: I don't wear them
"I never use 'em." And, yes, that's hilarious.
Brian, big fan! Love the talks. Who do you think could be on the undercard of Floyd & Alvarez to boost the PPV?
Nothing has been announced as of yet. Would love to see Mares again in one slot and an entertaining bout with noted action fighters in another one, at the very least. I give Golden Boy credit for being committed in the last year or so to trying to build up these undercards more.
I don't think it's crazy at all to have Tyson outside of the top 10 and I agree Brian. I think people get too caught up in his hype. The truth is his prime was fought against very week opposition (not his fault) and his reign at the top was too short.
I think Bowe didnt put into account that legs are longer than arms! his opponent was using kicks to put him at a distance so bowe wouldnt be able to land a clean punch
Bowe wouldn't be the first boxer to move over into the MMA world and believe his punching power alone would carry him through.
Touch me and I'll sue. (VICIOUS Street Fighter uppercut) Sue me for what?
Haha. Great Rocky 5 reference there from George Washington Duke. And you are right, HECK of an uppercut.
Okay Brian, so you're in a dark alley, and these three jerks are walking up to you, and you get to pick any boxer in history to be by your side, who do you pick?
The 1988 version of Mike Tyson.
Who wins in their prime money may or sugar ray leonard
Leonard. But it would be amazing and close.
I like Kid Chocolate. Sure he has awkwardness and doesn't always throw the prettiest looking punches, but I like the ruggedness in him, and it's something that will continue to carry him UNTIL he reaches the top tier fighters.
Good call, there is a real ruggedness to him. I definitely need to see more, but love what I have seen so far. I really liked how he stuck with it in the N'Dam fight and kept coming even with an opponent who was threatening to turn the tide and maybe steal that fight on the cards.
I'm picking Guerrero for the dark alley, YOU KNOW HIS PACKING!
Oh, low blow.
Brain, I must break you.
Go for it.
how good would a fight between Kelly Plavlik and Arthur Abraham be if it happened right now ?
Ehhhh ... I'd watch it. Does that make me a bad person?
Brian, folks dont KO'd like Manny did and come back like nothing happened. That shot aged Pacman big time.
I can't argue with that necessarily.
Speaking of arthur abraham. u think he's gonna retire any tme soon? does anyone care?
It was looking for a bit like a third fight with Robert Stieglitz was possible, but not so much now. It looks like he's done at the highest level.
Both Duran and Lewis came back after rough KO's.
Brian, have you boxed?
Nothing formal. Just some light sparring and training.
who would you pick prime larry holmes or klits
Holmes. Too skilled and tough.
Do you believe Carl Froch is making a mistake calling out Andre Ward ? considering he would get crushed by the REAL champ . .
Depends what you call a mistake, in the end. He wants another shot at the best in his division and a guy who is arguably the best in the sport. That's why you get into boxing, to be the best, right? So he's daring to be great, only this time wants to do it in his own backyard.
If Brain dies, he dies.
Who is Brain guy you all keep talking about?
speaking of Abraham, would you be interested in seeing him back at 160?
Nah, I've had my fill.
dark alley 3 jerks approaching me..ill take tyson with his 2 white tigers...pretty fair fight ill say
B$, why does Robert Garcia gets a pass again for another one of his fighters missing weight. He trained donaire by phone, missing weight, come on Brian, it's a disgrace!!!!!! Your thoughts
It sure isn't good, I'll tell you that. Many were surprised in this case because of how much of a professional Mikey is. But in listening to Mikey after the fight, he was adamant that it was a one-off due to him being sick leading up to the fight. He really wants to come back and try it again at 126. Only time will tell.
I reject the challenge because Brian Campbell isn't a challenge, but I'd be more than happy to beat on him some more!
He'd still get crushed in his backyard . .
I agree that Ward won the fight by a comfortable margin on my scorecard, but Froch did "technically" lose by split decision. And I think the was the case because Froch really pushed the pace late and kept coming forward while down on the cards. I didn't agree with those scores, but they happened and maybe that gives Froch -- who has improved a good deal since that fight -- more confidence to believe he can do something different.
Will Mayweather ever fight outside Vegas again?
B$, how do you leave off Marquez and Ward your top ten fighters with star value and Brandon Rios as high as four???? Every fight Marquez and Ward are big fights, your thoughts please!!!!
Marquez was a tough omission. But that wasn't star value, it was just the top 10 fighters who entertain me. Being a brawler can get you on there, but so can being a flashy entertainer or, in Floyd's case, just a dominant practitioner of your craft.
When I ask the dark alley question everybody either answers Tyson or Frazier.
You need someone who is going to go for the jugular right away, even against guys bigger than him and one who also can take a punch.
Dark alley with 3 guys approaching...surely you'd pick Valuev. One look at him and the guys would be turning tail
Only if he was shirtless.
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