Welcome back to another edition of the Tuesday Boxing Chat (#TBC). We have plenty to talk about after an entertaining card at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn headlined by Broner-Malignaggi and a solid card to come on Saturday with Golovkin-Macklin. The 11-city Mayweather-Canelo Tour also kicked off yesterday and is ongoing. So, without further ado, let's get to it. Let's shout out to the Basement and, as always, the floor is yours...
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Come on Dave, give me a break ...
Brian: Keep up the good work with these boxing chats. Boxing fans need this interaction and expert advice and opinions. Thanks.
Hey, alright. Thanks Al. Appreciate the kind words.
Brian, my man, is there a possibility that 2 of Floyd Mayweather's last five fights will be against Canelo? I mean, I cant see ODLH letting Canelo fight Floyd without having a rematch clause in his contract, especially since the WBC always mandates a rematch.
Antonio, welcome back, my friend. You are a regular in these parts. As far as your question is concerned, it's an interesting one. Financially, you would have to believe that if there is ANY justification in making a rematch, they are going to do it as long as Floyd is on board. Let's just hope it would be justified, of course. I know most have forgotten by now, but we almost had to endure Mayweather-De La Hoya II a few years back until those involved backed off on the idea.
How bad were the conditions of the ring for the main event? it looked like they thought the ring was going to collapse after the fight.
I don't think I was there for 60 seconds at ringside before my colleague Michael Woods of ESPN NY looked at me and said something to the degree of, "Have you ever seen ring ropes that flimsy." And that apparently wasn't the worst of it with the ring surface itself being called into question above all that. To be honest, the ring conditions weren't something that stood out to me the whole night, but it was a topic of conversation at press row for a good stretch.
Brian, loved the recent segments on the website, thanks. Read your colleague Woods' comments about Paulie having served himself well....I think quite the opposite; that Broner dominated him as expected, even while taking the first few rounds off. Does Paulie have options at this point?
Thanks for the kind thoughts, Scott. Woodsy was a strong appreciator of how much Paulie made Broner work in the fight. But overall, yes, I lean much more strongly to your opinion that it was a thorough, yet unspectacular victory for Broner. I had it 116-112 and really don't see how anyone could have had it 115-113 for Malignaggi. Broner landed more punches, connected on nearly 50 percent of his total shots, constantly walked Paulie down and clearly landed the harder shots. The point I made about it being unspectacular is more aimed at the perceived level of Broner's talent and the fact that it appeared he could/should have been able to do even more. That doesn't mean Paulie didn't fight well, however, and with his name and the LOADED group of names under the Golden Boy banner in and around the division, he should be able to land a big fight soon if he should desire to.
Is Paulie the weakest puncher you have ever seen attempting to box?
I wouldn't say the weakest necessarily, but it definitely was the biggest factor in holding him back. If they had similar power, the result would have been a lot different.
How did you see Broener this weekend? Since he has Haymon, do you see him dodging tough fighters like Mayweather? I dont see him fighting Maidana nor Mathysee
I'm very interested to see if Broner, once he truly establishes his name and gets to the level of being a PPV entity, is the kind of fighter that selectively picks or goes for the top names. After Saturday's fight he was telling anyone within ear shot that he would fight whoever the fans chose. I looked at him and said, "Anyone?", and he said, "Anyone." So I said, "Even Floyd Mayweather Jr.", and that's when I basically got a, "Come on man." But there's obviously many other names that he can test himself against in the near future as Golden Boy is loaded. I'd love to see him against a Maidana type next, and then eventually against guys like Khan, Matthysse, etc.
Did Broner even finish High School? That kid's ignorance and lack of class is starting to get under a lot of people's skin.
Not sure about his education level, but his whole irritating style and shtick obviously seems to be very calculated. I think in general he does a great job getting under the skin of opponents and fans in an effort to build his brand and also build up his own self confidence. Did it go WAY too far in the buildup to the Malignaggi fight with all the joking about women and violence? Obviously. But I will say that Saturday was the first time that I felt this whole "persona" was actually getting in the way of his in-ring performance, as well. On one hand, there's not too much to complain about when you look at the punch stats and the way he handled Paulie in the second half of that fight. But on the other hand, there was a bit too much clowning and shaking of the head and Broner almost "allowing" himself to be hit so he can prove Paulie's power wasn't fazing him. If Broner would've established his jab more and took a much more offensive tone early, I think he would have gotten Malignaggi out of there and set a much different tone in the fight that wouldn't have resulted in him escaping with a split decision.
I don't have a problem with fighters selectively picking their opponents, but don't go claiming you've climbed a mountain when you've really climbed a molehill.
Agreed. You have to establish the brand first, and the best way to do that is by taking on the best.
Is it my believe or has floyd humbled down "Verbal" wise since he joined Showtime?
I think, in general, you are correct and I think it has more to do with the whole experience of prison mixed with getting older and seeing life from a whole different perspective. He appears to be valuing family a lot more and focusing his energies on things that are more important to him. We all grow up at different times. I'm happy for him as it appears he has a lot more peace in life now. But who knows?
Broner vs Ortiz? Can we all sign up for that fight?
Oh yeah. I'd want to have everything to do with that fight, Ronny. Hopefully they would do it in Brooklyn, too, and the two of us could sit together, haha.
I heard there are preliminary talks are in the works for a rematch between Garcia and Judah, any truth to that?
I've heard some rumblings about that but don't have any inside info on the situation. If Garcia goes anywhere but a fight with Matthysse right now then I think just about all of us have a MAJOR problem with that.
Khan took care of Paulie a lot easier than Broner did. It's just a matter of time until he is completely exposed as being overrated.
I definitely can see where a lot of people have that opinion. And to many, Saturday was a confirmation to them that Broner isn't as good as he and everyone else think he is. I happen to be someone who greatly respects Broner's talent and potential. I was impressed by a lot of Saturday's performance, but also felt like he never truly put his foot on the gas and made that full effort to get Paulie out of there.
Malignaggi also told me after the fight when I asked him that Broner's power was nothing at 147. Now, Paulie has a great chin, we all know that. But I was taken a back a bit that Broner wasn't able to knock him down or really stagger him too badly. But with that said, he was tagging Paulie with power shots all night and moving him around the ring at will.
Will you be at Foxwoods for GGG/Macklin? How do yo see that fight going? Do you have an extra ticket for me?
1) You better believe it. This is a home game for me and I'm doing involuntary shadow boxing just thinking about that fight. 2) I see GGG getting tested in a few ways we haven't necessarily seen him yet. But I also see him finishing things by massive KO. So we get a little of both out of it. 3) I wish I did, Maestro.
Are there any potential fights on the horizon (minus Matthysse vs Garcia) that have you shadowboxing at your computer?
This guy KT, haha. I've always used that as a gauge as to how exciting a fight sounds upon you first hearing that it's signed or talked about. And I'll tell you what, the more I think about Bradley-Marquez, the same thing starts to happen. That thing has been a slow build for me, but now I can't wait.
Ever since the Broner Paulie fight ended, I can't get the Allman Brother's song "Jessica" out of my head.
If Price loses to Thompson again where do you see his career heading?
It's over as a top-end title prospect if he loses. He would need to really go back to the drawing board and rebuild in a Wlad Klitschko-like way that you rarely see. And that's why I am happy he chose to go right back at Thompson and take this rematch. My co-host on "Making The Rounds", Jim Basquil, always gives me crap for standing by Price but I believe in him in the sense that the first fight was an aberration. I think Price comes back huge and stops him.
Brian, keep up the good work man. Great stuff! I'm really looking forward to the HBO card this weekend. Of course excited to see GGG back in action, but the Oosthuizen-Gonzalez has really got me pumped. Who you picking for these fights?
Thanks my man. This is kind of a sneaky good card, all things considered. I've been pumped at the chance to see both Oosthuizen and Willie Nelson in person for the first time. As far as predictions, I'm taking the favorite in all three fights and I'm picking them by knockout.
Sadly I fully expect Broners next opponent to be one of the following 3 names: Mosley, Judah, or J. Lopez. Just a gut feeling...
Man, I hope not. I guess out of that group that Judah wouldn't be the end of the world. I say that though with full disclosure that I'm a "Judah guy" and, as you know, you either are or you aren't when it comes to Zab. There's no middle ground. But Mosley would be bad. I hope they make Broner-Maidana and I really want to see Broner against a guy like Khan who has length and a quick jab, but can also punch a bit.
Could you please clarify the "Jessica" situation? Is Broner currently dating someone Paulie used to go out with? And when did a girl you really care for become known as a side"piece"?
Yeah, I'm out of that conversation and am glad we are all putting it behind us now, to be honest. I did appreciate the "Allman Brothers" reference from Sun Devil earlier, though.
How bored was press row after watching mitchell vs banks 2?
Second worst fight I've ever seen live. And as Dan Rafael said at ringside when I brought up the debate, even as bad as Mitchell-Banks II was, at least there was a knockdown, which means Alexander-Bailey (fought at the same arena) is safe for now. But forget how angry press row was for a second, the Brooklyn crowd not only started booing that thing about 90 seconds into the bout, they were slinging some straight hate at the fighters by like the 6th round. I've never before seen a crowd cheer an awful fight at the closing bell just for the simple fact that it was over.
If he were still living, do you think Manny Steward would have slapped Banks in the corner?
No doubt. And probably thrown out a few choice words to go with it. Look, what can you even say about Banks' performance on Saturday? At the very least, it just about destroys his chances of getting a showcase TV fight like that again any time soon. And at worst, it makes you start to question things. How could a fighter who is coming off a KO of a guy, who then hurts him twice during the fight, just completely take his foot off the gas pedal for the final six rounds. That wasn't even a sparring session. Banks just flat out stopped throwing punches. And it was his birthday, too. How could you not sit there watching and not question what the heck was going on?
In regards to Price/Thompson first bout, you said you saw that as an aberration, is that similar to how you saw Dawson/Stevenson's first bout?
Good question and I guess there are some loose similarities there, but I don't think it's the same situation. Maybe Dawson could beat him if they fought again and he fought safer, but I'm fine with that ending.
Better fight: Banks/Mitchell 2 or whatever broke out in the crowd during the 3rd round of that fight?
Haha, great call Dude. Like I said on Twitter, that's 3-for-3 now in seeing at least one major crowd brawl in my last three fights at the Barclays Center. And if you throw in the nasty one I saw at Cotto-Trout at MSG involving a chair, than you can see how intense a fight crowd you can find in NYC. But all jokes aside, the one in the crowd trumped Banks-Mitchell. In fact, maybe it lit a spark in the actual action because it was only seconds later that Mitchell landed the knockdown with that right uppercut/rabbit punch combo he threw.
Heard a lot of that on Saturday, yes.
If Garcia ducks Matthysee does he fight Broner?
I hope not. Garcia-Matthysse is too logical and perfect not to happen. And since we are talking about boxing and all, we probably won't see it, haha.
Would you consider a fight with Gamboa a step up for Crawford even after Gamboa's lackluster performances his last 3 fights?
Beverage of choice when watching the Sweet Science?
At ringside it's water. At home it's a cold one. I would say IPA's are best for fights.
chris mannix said there was about 100 people at the post fight press conference and only a couple were boxing journalist should they only allow media members to the press conference?
Boxing press conferences typically have this issue where they are packed with a large amount of hangers on and non-journalists. The problem at the Barclays is that the room to hold the press conference is so small. There was also a very large security presence trying to figure out who should be in there and who shouldn't. Looks like it wasn't a perfect science in the end.
Hey Brian, are you going to England for Price/Thompson? I've always wanted to cross the pond to see a fight, maybe a little higher caliber/profile of a fight, but that one probably will have a nice atmosphere.
Not going to England for that, no. I agree with you, though, that seeing a big-time fight in the UK would be a thrill. Hope to cross that off the list someday. We should do it together and take the Tuesday Boxing Chat on the road. Everyone's invited.
any chance we see Chris John Vs. Mikey Garcia?
I would really like to see that fight. I just don't get the picture John wants to come back to fight in the US at all. But, Top Rank has really been making some moves in terms of building a live presence with cards in Asia, so who knows?
Brian, love the thorough answers in these Tuesday chats. If you had the choice to pick Broners next opponent and you wanted to see his "0" go, who would you pick?
Many thanks Randy. Thanks for taking part. Well, saying I "wanted to see his 'O' go" would imply that I wished he would lose. So, from an impartial standpoint, if I was the matchmaker and could pick the fight that would best challenge him -- while also being the best fight to make business wise -- I would love to see him against Mayweather (which is not likely) or Matthysse.
Any chance this fight sets a trend, and there will be a side piece at every press conference for a big fight? WWE has managers and boxing has side pieces...not bad.
You know what, as much as I want this whole classless Paulie-Broner love triangle thing to go away, the old school pro wrestling fan in me form back in the day can appreciate that question, haha. Is there a place in boxing for valet managers? Interesting thought. Not likely, but it's an amusing thought.
Brian, I am real excited to see Javier Fortuna again on ESPN in August. What are your thoughts on his potential?
LOVE his potential. Right along there with you, Rick. When he punches people, they hurt. Of course I want to see him tested against big names to confirm these feelings.
BC is Gary Russell, Jr. still fighting on July 13?
Will he ever fight again? Was Oswald the lone gunman? We may never find out the answers to these important questions.
Floyd should have gotten rid of the "ducker" by fighting Canelo the best at 154.
I can only agree with that comment. The cynical, worn down boxing fan in me is obviously just happy we are seeing that fight. But I can't say you are wrong.
Lord Stanley is going back to Chicago! How happy does this news make you?
I can't say I was moved. Wife had the TV locked up last night and I was stuck following the madness on Twitter. Not the same experience. It did fire me up, however, to see if I can find my Sega Genesis and get a NHL '94 tournament going again with a few friends. Now that's something that gets me fired up.
Since Banks and Mitchell decided to stare at each other for the last 6 rounds of last weekend's fight, who would you say is now America's top heavyweight prospect?
Good question. Where do we go with that question? Wilder? Jennings? I'd like to see them fight each other so we have an answer.
I'd go to England for Froch-Groves (or Froch-Calzaghe if Joe's that crazy)
Joe ain't that crazy.
Brian, TR/GB mess aside, how great would it be to have Pac-Broner to take out "mini-floyd" to re-ignite the fire of a Pac-May fight?
This guy Randy "The Macho Man" is making some moves in today's chat. In a perfect world where water fountains flowed with Yoo-Hoo and gas station hot dogs were an essential part of a balanced dinner, the thought of a fight like Broner-Pacquiao with Floyd potentially watching ringside and being willing to take on the winner would be awesome.
has the Barclays surpassed MSG as the #1 boxing venue in New York right now?
It's making a run. You have to say that. And the fact that MSG is closed for boxing for the near future while undergoing more renovations, it gives the Barclays more time to keep building on what has been a great start. But the Northeast kid in me who grew up idolizing anything that happened inside the hallowed walls of MSG, I can't say that Barclays has surpassed as of yet. There's NOTHING like a big sporting event/concert/anything at MSG and I don't want to live in a world where that is any different.
If Khan defeats Alexander could you envision Khan vs Broner ppv ?
Yes I could. I would really be excited for that fight.
If you could just talk the English into having a big Tuesday fight in England on the same day as the chat...that would be magic.
What is your FOTY so far?
Rios-Alvarado II. It was better than the first, folks. I know you don't want to hear that. But it was.
great chats bri guy. i truly dont think broner will be able to have a carerr as good as floyds. he didnt impress on saturday. and his lifestyle isnt as clean as floyds. your thoughts
Lots of people bringing up the lifestyle as the reason he may not reach his lofty potential and I have to agree with you. Obviously I don't know what his day-to-day lifestyle is like, but how it is perceived through the window that Broner opens up to the public, it appears that it could hold him back a bit. One thing you have to respect about Mayweather has been how serious he takes his job over the years and how much he puts into not just being the best, but maintaining his position.
You said something in an earlier response about Broner being handled similar to Mayweather once he is a PPV attraction. And it's a great point, mostly because he isn't a PPV attraction yet. In facft he is several fights (minimum two) away from being one. And he won't become a PPV star fighting tomato cans. His next two opponants are going to be very very interesting!
Well said, Chris.
FNF's season finale is at Cellular Park, Home of my White Sox, on the south side of Chicago. Will you be there?
I won't be there. But where do you get off being a White Sox fan and living in NYC?
Two questions from Uncle Drew in a row without mentioning Amir Khan! What is going on here?!
The Jessican tiff between Broner and Paulie pails in comparison to the love triangle between The Macho Man Randy Savage and The Nature Boy Ric Flair when they were beefing over Miss Elizabeth!
That's my favorite comment of the chat so far. Well done, Brando.
I think the American heavyweight problem has an immediate fix and his name is Jimmy Hart
It just keeps getting better.
I'll preface this by saying I'm not hating, rather asking a serious question. Is Broner currently the most overrated athlete in any sport? Who else in any major sport gets so much hype for accomplishing so little? Neymar?
We are trained to say Tebow as the answer to this question. But I don't talk like that.
Can I get a Mt. Rushmore of fights that never happened that you wished would have?
My personal Rushmore as a fan is: 1) Mayweather-Pacquiao, 2) Lewis-Bowe, 3) De La Hoya-Trinidad II and 4) Tyson-Foreman.
Brian, who is the best competition at the moment for Andre Ward?
I see floyd didnt really give a straight yesterday when asked about why the catchweight, instead saying something about it being a part of the negotiations
I think he said something to the tune of because Canelo's team mentioned it.
Keep Calm and Tebow on.
Whoa, whoa! Neymar is balling, did you not see the games against Mexico and Italy?
JMM might get knocked down, but he always gets up and almost always finds a way to turn the fight in his favor. Do you see Bradley, who probably doesn't have enough power to drop JMM, making it the distance?
I don't know, honestly. And that's why I am so crazy intrigued by this. I don't know what day Marquez will wake up and be too old. I don't know whether Bradley will rein himself in better and not go to war. I don't know if Marquez really does have legit power now at 147 or if he just caught Pacquiao with the most perfect punch in a major fight that I've ever seen. Out of any fight I've been asked my opinion in the past few years, I don't know yet who wins this one. And that's a fun feeling.
Hi BC. Do you get annoyed at the lame and stupid questions journalists throw at mayweather such as "why canelo?" or "why didnt u wait next year to take this fight?"? No wonder he keeps on saying "like I said b4"
Good call. I do get annoyed. Before the Guerrero fight, all his major TV interviews started with non-boxing people going right to questions about Pacquiao. Kind of ruined things right off the bat.
Does Brandon Rios give Manny a better fight than Margarito did?
Great analysis, Macho Man!
How much longer before Audley Harrison returns for Prizefighter and finds his desire again?
Oh please, no.
Broner will have more power once he gets use to the weight remember he jumped up to weight classes an he is only 23. But he needs to shut up now an just fight he talks to much
Good point on the moving up two weight classes in terms of let's see him two fights from now when his body is more comfortable there. Also agree on toning down the act inside the ring and focusing more on business. I really don't care if he clowns before hand to sell the fight. But him trying to knee Paulie to the face during the fight was classless.
Canelo is a PPV star after fighting a bunch of tomato cans and a champion with no pop in his punches. Broner is on the same GBP plan.
Well, Canelo isn't a PPV star yet. But obviously this Floyd fight will be his "passing of the torch" moment to cement his brand. And, when you fight two difficult, unbeaten champions in back-to-back fights like Trout and Mayweather, the "tomato can" thing tends to start disappearing. With all that said, I really hope we see Broner go big in his next three fights.
Thanks for responding. Just want to ask you which was crazier, ray allens 3 pointer last week in game 6 or chavez jr knocking down sergio martinez in round 12 of their bout?
Now that's an interesting question. I love trying to rank amazing sports moments like that in relation to where I was and what the feeling of disbelief was like. I have had a pretty rock-solid Top 5 for a few years now in terms of those moments. The two above that you mentioned came close to penetrating that list, but ultimately fell. But to answer your question, Allen's three was obviously way more important to the sports' world and had a much bigger impact. But I was WAY MORE shocked at the sequence in that Sergio fight with him, being the REAL middleweight champion, getting floored and almost beaten in absolutely desperate fashion by a guy who just got shut out for 11 rounds in almost embarrassing fashion.
Hey Brian :) Great fight this past weekend, I myself had it 117 - 111 for Broner. Quick Question, 2 questions. First, do you see broner being able to handle marcos maidana, and 2, are you going to attend the mayweather/canelo press tour in Phoenix? That would be awesome to get the chance to meet you in person :) Thanks.
Martin, great to hear from you man. Unfortunately I won't be making any stops on this tour. But I appreciate the thought. And to answer your first question, I do see Broner being able to handle Maidana and pick him apart shot by shot. But he will sure have his chin tested in the process and the need for him to use that jab more will be on display. It's a real fun matchup and I hope we see it.
Brian, are there any questions about Golovkins chin?
He claims he hasn't been knocked down in 350 amateur fights or 26 pro fights. I talked to him on the phone last Thursday and asked him if he has even ever been hurt in any fight, and he couldn't recall that ever happening. So it appears to be granite. But, if we are honest with ourselves, he also hasn't been truly tested on the highest level yet as a pro. So I'm looking forward to seeing what happens when he finally is.
Call me crazy, but I think the fight with Paulie is the best thing to happen to Broner, because he just learned the extent of his capabilities. I see him working to be a better all around fighter--knows he can't just be cute with what he's got.
Let's hope so, Carlton, for his sake. How he performs the next time out will go a long way in showing whether he truly is a student of the game or not.
Correction regarding Canelo. Beating Trout was a major feat.
I'm with you on that sentiment.
Micheal Canelo has a signature win Broner doesn't
Hey Brian- I think the 10pt system is a flawed scoring system. Do you think any governing body would experiment other ways of scoring other than open scoring? I've always had an idea of adding bonus Pts at the end of the fight for the fighter who delivered more damage. What do you think?
You bring up an interesting point. But it's not like boxing is a sport real focused on change, though. We can't even get the best fighters to square off when there's truckloads of cash waiting out back. Nor can we, necessarily, get a centralized governing body to regulate universal and consistent testing for things like PEDs. So a change to the scoring system isn't likely to happen.
Brian, is the rumors of a Garcia-Judah rematch anything other than Garcia ducking Matthysee? I mean it's pathetic. There is no reason to make that fight. If he fights Judah or frankly anyone else for that matter at 140, he's ducking Lucas. Plain and simple.
You are speaking truth Jake.
Great job last Saturday Brian, what's your thoughts on a potential Broner vs Juan Marquez fight?
Thanks CJ. I appreciate that. Obviously I would love that fight, but it depends on how tied down JMM is to Top Rank, his co-promoter. I don't see it happening.
If the PacMan takes the punches of Rios well, do you think he'llmove up to face GGG to really prove how tough his chin is, and then move up to face Stevenson at light heavy on his way to the Ukrainian brothers?
Come on, that's just crazy talk. Obviously he'd fight Ward before Stevenson.
Oh where has James Kirkland and Andre Direll gone? What a waste of boxing potential.
You said it Adrian.
Great sense of humor, BC!
Your thoughts on Kovalev/Cleverly?
Love it. And from what we have seen of late, I wouldn't be truthful with myself if I didn't predict a fun fight and a KO for the Krusher.
Hey BC, great chat today!!! Did you ban me today and I didn't get the memo!!!!
Nah, I've just been sitting here waiting for you. Welcome back.
As I was watching the Banks-Mitchell II, I was truly hoping that Fanman would fly onto the ring so I would have something to cheer for
That Brooklyn crowd would have given him a BEATDOWN.
What do I have to do to get my questions answered in the chat?
Well, typically in chats the best method is 1-2 of the following: Type in all caps, make an outrageous claim, toss a gratuitous compliment, make a fun 80s or 90s pop culture reference, misspell my name or say something funny. Did I miss anything?
BC, Hope all is well!!! Question what's the future looking like for Tim Bradley if he beats JMM being as though Golden Boy and Al Haymon basically rep all top fighters at 140 and 147?
Great to hear from ya, Luis. Even though Top Rank's cupboard in that coveted, money-making 140-147 tax bracket is somewhat thin, the names available are all-action and fun. If Bradley got past Marquez he would have options like rematches with Marquez or Pacquiao, or potential clashes with Alvarado and Rios. There's always the thought of a Provodnikov rematch, too, especially if Ruslan can come back quick and get a solid, televised victory.
The 147 class is so stacked. I can't imagine a bad fight between anybody in the top 10
Ray, keep posting! Throw the jab brother and you'll eventually land the straight-right. That's how I am doing it. Ha, ha.
Give AB a couple fights. This is the path of the GBP star fighter.
Exactly. I had enough I didn't like about Saturday's performance that I mentioned. But all in all, the guy just moved up two weight classes, walked down a titlist all night with hard counter shots and came away with a title in his third weight class at the age of 23. Not too bad.
You mention how Paulie was never staggered or dropped by Broner. While he was clearly hitting Paulie flush, he never seemed to land much squarely on the chin. Do you see his lack of knockdown as more to do with power at 147, lack of accuracy when he counters or Paulie's solid defense and movement? Maybe a combination?
Throw in Paulie's chin and it seems to be all of the above. It was a little odd, however. But I need to see more of the 147-pound Broner before I can make any lasting declarations.
Brian, Why is there so little boxing on hbo and showtime this summer? I think HBO only has 1 show in July and August combined and Showtime has like 2. I know the summer is usually a slow time for boxing, but never this slow.
Boxing is always slow in July and August. Nothing to worry about. As long as April/May and September are overflowing with good fights and then that late November/December time frame starts to heat up again, we are good.
BRAIN CHAMPBELL. PACMAN WILL DESTROY MAYWEATHER AND KLITSCHKO AND BECOME PRESIDENT!!!!1 amidoingthisright?
Yeah, that's about right. That's how people get posted.
realistically how many quality ppv fights can top rank make without pacquaio?
Pacquiao's relevance moving forward will have a lot to do with their PPV success, obviously. Not just fights he is in, but with fights like Bradley-Marquez where the winner has a great shot at facing him.
BC, how do you think the current boxing landscape at 160 or in general would be changed had Junior knocked out Martinez in that 12th Round?
Would his suspension for weed be in play still?
So I got into a small fender bender and when my State Farm agent popped up I asked for Kovalev-GGG! Am I wrong?
Can I get a hot tub?
Who do you view as the best challenge for Golovkin at 160, assuming Sergio is damaged goods?
Because I don't think Sergio is damaged goods, I still say Martinez.
Brian if Paulie had more power do you think he could've been a potential superstar?
Considering his ability to talk and his marketable look with the crazy hairstyles and trunks, yes I do. He would have been a very marketable fighter with that.
Top Rank has officially lost the boxing promotional wars. Agree/disagree? Even their better roster at 160+ is no match against the stable that GBP keeps at <154
I wouldn't agree they have lost anything at this point. GB is obviously on a hot run right now and has a lot of big names in the money divisions of 140-154. But Top Rank has been a strong company for a long time. They are constantly repackaging and reloading.
Come on BC, do you really think the weed was a PED?
No. It's a "dehancer." We all know that.
Mayweather vs Whitaker, each in their prime.. Who you got?
Realistically, Pacquiao has only a limited shelf life after his fight with Rios. His stock plummeted after the loss to marquez and his options of who to fight may also be limited by his slowing ability and also his obligations to the Philippine government.
They will have to be careful with the matchmaking moving forward, for sure. But I don't think he's done, done. But he's entering the twilight. How he looks against Rios will go a long way in telling us how much he has left, of course.
If pacquaio fought marquez a fifth time who would you bet the house on?
I am not a homeowner.
Brian any chance Golden Boy starts letting their fighters fight against other promoters fighters? Not TR ofcourse
Well, they already do in some fights, just not as often in the headlining, marquee fights. Johnathon Banks, for example, is with K2 Promotions and fought in the co-main on Saturday.
Will the Mayweather fight be as big as any of the Tyson fights in his prime? Will the fight exclipse the fight with de la hoya?
My prediction is 1.8M ppv buys. I think it has 2M potential. I don't think it breaks the record. Tyson's two biggest fights were in the 1.9M range so it could get there.
Shout out from TEXAS! I just refereed some amateur fights this past Saturday here in Austin and there was the name James Kirkland on the bout sheet! I freaked out when I saw it at first (as you could imagine) but come to find out it was a kid fighting in the 70lb weight division! Show was put on by one of the greatest...Ann Wolfe herself! Great show! Boxing is alive!!
Let me get this straight: Ann Wolfe put on a show featuring a different fighter named James Kirkland? And Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln? And Einhorn is Finkle!!!!!
Here in the Philippines Pacquiao has been MIA for a while now with no tv appearances. I fear that he's gonna be a no show come november 24th against brandon rios.
No show in the sense that his heart has left the sport and a shell of himself will show up in the ring against Rios? Or do you mean he physically won't show up that night and will instead be playing pickup hoops with Buboy?
Slapboxing at its finest: Malignaggi vs. Alexander. Would you agree?
Duh! I guess I asked a stupid question. .jonathan banks. I guess I was thinkin about a real fight . .lol!
Don't worry, you won't be seeing him on Showtime again anytime soon.
lol good way to dodge the question. 4real though. Who you got to win if Pac and Marquez were to fight a 5th time?
If Pacquiao beats Rios and doesn't appear to be completely shot, I'm going with the PacMan. For real. Manny was on his way to stopping Marquez when he got caught with that punch in their last fight and for a good stretch there the old Pacquiao was coming out of him.
You almost seemed logical with that reasoned weed response. But really BC, Money over Whitaker?? Blasphemy! Whitaker's combinations would leak through, even with less powerful punches than $. And his defense was at least as good as Mayweathers
Hey, it would be a great fight. No question. I just favor Floyd by a hair. Just like I'll take SRL by the same hair over Mayweather.
At their welterweight peaks, Paul Williams vs Floyd Mayweather: who you ridin' with?
I'll jump in Floyd's car. But I have to admit, that is the fight I wanted to see Floyd in above all of them. Even more than I wanted to see him against Manny. In that short window from 7/07 to 2/08 before Williams' was upset by Quintana and after he outslugged Margarito, if you caught me on the right day, there would've been a chance I offered a kidney on the spot for a chance to see Mayweather-Williams.
who do you want to see malignaggi fight next?
Zab Judah in a "Loser Leaves Town" match.
Top Rank has three easy to make PPVs. After Manny and JMM dispatch their opponants with KOs, a fifth fight will be extremely compelling and do massive PPVs... On top of that Top Rank has Chavez to make a legit PPV with Martinez and maybe even GGG or SOG at some point...
This guy Chris is always on the ball.
We have to see Pac again, Andrew. No knowing what that nap did to him.
That decides everything. You are right.
Always wanted to see the Punisher get a shot at Floyd. Would have loved to have seen Floyd try to counter that length and activity.
You Only have SRL over Mayweather by a hair? I think SRL would be way to big for Mayweather. Plus the speed is about the same.
I have thick hair.
Brian, I still hope to see J Lopez in some quality fights. Any chance. I personally think he could beat Paulie
You know what? That's not a bad fight. You should get into matchmaking. I like that.
If Mayweather fought Khan later this year and Canelo beat another solid 154 pounder later this year, I think the Hype for them to fight would have been greater meaning more ppv buys. If they fought next May during cinco de mayo they would break De La Hoyas vs Mayweathers PPV buyrate record.
There is danger in marination young Jedi.
PacMan over Marquez?! May your dreams be haunted by the spector of Ruiz-Banks!
How ... dare ... you.
Whoa. Zab-Malignaggi. Sign me up! Then they get the winner of Berto-Ortiz
Let's do it. We've got a bunch of quality matchmakers in here today.
Paulie needs to sit ringside for the fights.
Two thoughts about Paulie: 1) Bad hair choice this time around. 2) He might be the best fighter/analyst since the 90's prime of George Foreman.
Brian, my man, honestly, if Al Haymon decides that instead of Matthysse and Garcia fighting, that he just wants to put on Garcia-Broner, would you not rather watch that fight than Matthysse?
I would rather the succession of Garcia-Matthysse and the winner gets Broner.
Nobody wanted to fight prime Punisher Williams. Dude was scary looking. Took a (junior) middleweight to stop that train
He was way too cocky in that first Quintana fight, too. It kind of took some air out of the balloon of his hype. He obviously avenged that emphatically, of course.
Maybe Judah-Malignaggi can fight on the Rafael-Campbell undercard on the loser dies fight card.
That's just not polite. You're better than that.
Brian you have to give credit to Paulie for saying what no one else wants to. Al Haymon runs boxing. He could get me a title shot right now and I've never boxed.
Good news, you'll be fighting Gary Russel Jr. in place of TBA.
Couldn't agree more on Paulie.
Do you think Paulie put himself in jeopardy of his Showtime job with the post-fight rant?
I wouldn't guess that everyone was universally happy. But I also think people understand that fighter's are emotional in the seconds after a big fight. I interviewed Paulie on camera in the locker room about 45 minutes after the fight and he had calmed down a lot and mentioned how most of that was just an emotional reaction. He still thought he won of course, but was being more realistic.
Matthysse-Broner is a fantasy type of a fight that has a really good chance of happening.
Agreed. I love it.
Ray, you've made it! Ha, ha.
I like Garcia, he acts like a people's champ. I think his reputation is seriously damaged if he does not take this fight with Matthysse
Preach it, Kherbs.
Loser dies? That will leave us with just one Boxing chat a week. Come on, JJ!
I know. Seriously? How selfish can one guy be.
No disrespect to all the brooklyn natives but how can u root for a guy dressed up like mother goose?
Floyd Mayweather and Richard Schaeffer can knock that crap off about caring about the casual fans anytime now. We had virtually no chance at these overpriced tickets that went on sale today. It's a disgrace.
I'm getting a lot of that in the chat today.
Who are you favorite boxers to follow on twitter? Or boxing personalities in general?
B-Hop. Sergio. Froch. Trout. Just a few off the top of my head.
Brian, Do you agree with Dan Rafael ranking Broner #5 on his list of welterweights? I dont simply because he's only had 1 fight and he fought the guy with the less risk/reward factor...
True, but he was the reigning 135-pound champ who just moved up two weight classes and outpointed a veteran titlist by walking him down and landing nearly 50 percent of his punches.
What you said earlier is why I feel the real reason is JMM passed on a 5th fight. He took care of business and got the win he craved more than any other... I just think he also knows he was starting to get beat up a little before that perfectly timed punch.
That's an interesting take. We may need to direct that question to JMM chat resident and superfan Chris from NYC.
Was anybody successfully in getting tickets to May/Canelo?
I'll bet you Mariachi Skull Guy will be there.
Should Pacquiao retire if Rios stops him?
Took a long lunch, come back, and this chat is still going. Brian, props for providing us a great middle-of-the-week outlet to talk boxing.
No problemo, my friend. It's my favorite two hours of the week.
Brian; marathon chat potential here! THANKS! I don't say much, but I am here every time!
Thanks for taking part, Scott. About to wrap this jam up.
Speaking of B-Hop, what did you think of him as a commentator? Based on that I would say Pauly is in no danger of loosing his job.
Yeah, it wasn't as strong as I've heard him in the past. I agree. He did a "Friday Night Fights" a few years back and was a lot better.
You and Dan should chat on the same day and have a chat off!!
I could never match his legendary endurance.
Brian, is Donaire truly as good as we think he is at 122? His best win was Arce but Arce to me, looks shot. Mathebula isn't a great win. Vazquez was a weak world champ and he only won by SD. He finally got in the ring with someone legit and he was dominated. Is he good as he was advertised at 122?
I don't like when people downgrade what Donaire has accomplished off of one loss. He was ranked as high as No. 2 and 3 in the P4P list before that fight and was on such a hot streak. I just think it all caught up with him on the same night: He wasn't in top shape, had a minor injury and clearly took his talented opponent lightly. Let's see how he bounces back.
The thirty seconds after the fight opitimized JMM's career: drenched in blood, on the ropes, arms raised and Nacho arms around him (not sure if anyone notice how quickly 72 year old Nacho bolted out there). That will always be the defining moment of his life and he wants to savor it, period. Plus he's a counter puncher the fact that PacMan was catching fire is what allowed the punch to happen.
There he is. That's my guy. Great analysis.
Brain, my Dad was a huge fan of Holyfield. So I showed him the Bradley fight aganist Ruslan and he said Bradley is the Holyfield of this decade. Do you see that? I mean both have huge heads and are in great shape and have huge hearts! I think it is a good comparison.
It's a GREAT comparison and myself and many others have been saying that for the last couple of years. He also is constantly under appreciated in a way that Holyfield was throughout his entire prime.
What's the best boxing application to download to keep me fully up to date with the latest news??
What's your cell phone number? I'll just text you every few hours.
Would you be happy or disappointed if you found out the Mariachi Skull Guy was really the ghost of Chico Corrales?!
Interesting thought. For a while I was wondering if there was any chance that it was Kieran Mulvaney. I mean, it was kind of curious for a while why they were never in the same fight city at the same time.
Well yea but that's at different weight classes. At Flyweight, Super Flyweight, and Bantamweight, I think he was a terrific, dominant fighter. No questions there. But at 122, I think he was exposed. He never truly had a great win and he went up against Rigo and the guy was dominated. I personally don't see him beating Rigo or Mares at 122 or 126.
That's a strong take. I do agree he has a lot to prove now at 126 in terms of whether he can be a big puncher and get guys out of there.
Kellerman made a Holyfield comparison during Bradley-Provodnikov.
And people have been making it based on the head-butting going back to Alexander and before.
B. C. fantasy fight Paulie v Gatti who u got?
Gatti got it.
Brian, whats your thought on Broner making so much money and flushing $20 bills down the toilet, yet his mother still lives in a nearly broken down shack?
That was my first thought when I saw that video on Showtime before the fight. Not sure how to comment against that. Didn't he say: "That's how I know I haven't made it yet."
I had to step out of the chat to do work for awhile. Did I miss anything?
A little bit here and there. But what do you say we park this thing?
I knew Holyfiled I worked with Holyfield Holyfield was a friend of mine. Bradley ain't no Evander Holyfiled
First-hand sourcing in the #TBC. I like that.
For whatever reason, has Golden Boy put a bad taste in your mouth of late?
Nah. I'm cool. I brush regularly.
DId you think Paulie was a great pick for Broner because of Paulies lack of power?
Yes. And marketable name.
Hey Brian, always a pleasure to have you join us. Can Canelo become a crossover star if he upsets Floyd even if his English is limited currently? Thanks
No question. Plus, he's working very hard on the English part.
Mikey Garcia owns 126-all the way up to 135 for the rest of the 2010s!
Put it on a t-shirt. You might be right.
Great Chat! See you next Tuesday, BC
Right back at you, my man.
if paulie had pop he couldve been the sergio martinez of light/welterweights.
I thought Matthyse was a Haymon fighter ....
He's new to the club. Yes.
Does Paulie have that good of a chin or is Broner's stopping power not as relevant at 147?
It might be both.
Thanks for the chat BC! Gotta get back to work! Have a great week bro!
Alright folks. This was a fun one. Thanks for joining and spending your time with me on this Tuesday afternoon. Let's do this again next week. What do you say?
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