I've had more than three days to process this whole thing ... and I'm still not sure I have the right answers to give you guys. I'll do my best to make sense of things but really, this is one of those deals where any opinion is a valid one. Unless you think the fight was fixed, in which case, ... (smh) I can't help you.
Likelyhood of Anderson fighting Roy Jones in a boxing match promoted by Dana and if it happens, how would it rate and who would win? (sounds weird even saying it).
No chance. At least I sincerely hope not. First of all, the rematch trumps everything. If Anderson had won, I don't think Roy Jones would have factored into anything but now that Anderson lost?! No way. And if it did happen, it would be sad. Have you seen any of Jones' last few fights? So unnecessary and something I think everyone would regret if it actually happened.
Hey Brett, I assume the superfight is now dead and burried? If Anderson doenst want to fight anymore, would Vitor be next in line and how do you think he and Chris wouild match up?
Anderson still wants to fight and it sounds like he wants to fight Chris Weidman, which isn't surprising. When he said he didn't want the rematch after the fight ... dude just got knocked out brutally in front of 12,000 people. You don't know what you want at that moment. The rematch will happen. The super fight is dead, but not buried. We might be able to revive it if Anderson goes in and runs through Weidman in the rematch.
Hi Brett, Still trying to get my head around what happened on the weekend with Anderson whilst his post fight statements seemed to make things sound weirder. Do you put them down to confusion / being upset in the aftermath or is he really hoping to see out his 10 year 10 fight deal fighting mid to low tier Light heavies and probably guys like Michael Bisping. Dont think Dana would allow that. Thoughts?
Dana would not allow that. And yeah, I chalk it up to basically 1. Anderson Silva is kinda weird. 2. He had just gotten knocked out. There was never any part of me who thought he might retire, or that the UFC would agree to just giving him non-meaningful 205-pound fights.
Dude! Im sad! And no its not cause Silva lost; ive recently been watchingg strikeforce rerun fights on showtime and holy crap, they had some good fights that are even and some better than some UFC fights. Where the heck was i when strikeforce was alive
I've always said, I never believed anyone would make a "Strikeforce Never Die" t-shirt, following the mold of WEC and PRIDE. If you don't think you're the only one feeling this way, Adrian, we may have stumbled upon a business venture for you brother.
How good did it feel watching that cocky chump getting knocked out live
You know ... I'm not sure what I felt when it happened. It wasn't, "good." I think it was more, "What the hell was that Anderson? Really?" That's what it was.
Mr. Okamoto , i was very happy for chris the new mw champ anderson,s fans have so many exuses!! Jbj said the gods of war played apart thanks rory ,arie, mcdoand!!
Ha, I like the Ares line. I'm not coming up with any excuses for Anderson, I give credit to Weidman, however, no one can really say Anderson's behavior had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the outcome. You just can't say that.
Is this the year of the upset? silva lost, GSP WILL loose; hendricks is a beast Jones might, could, possibly loose vs Alex Gus and dont get me started on Ben vs Grant and lets say they all DO loose can silva still figght either jon or GSP? Ill pay to watch any of those two fight Silva
Yeah, I was saying before this weekend it's interesting we're in a situation where Silva, GSP, and Jones all have losable fights. I don't think we've ever been able to say that about all of them at one time. Silva can still fight one of those guys only if he beats Chris in the rematch.
Love to see Nurmagomedov V Barbosa. How far are both away from a contenders bout?
I like that fight. They're probably three wins away still, just because that division is so ridiculously stacked. Let's say you make that fight, then have the winner in a big-name fight like against a Donald Cerrone or Gilbert Melendez, and even after that, depending on what's happening, they still might need to win one more.
Since Fedors streak was longer and against better competition do u think he's considered GOAT
I still consider Anderson the greatest. I did before this weekend. One loss doesn't change that. Remember, Fedor looked pretty bad in multiple fights at the tail end of his career. Anderson hasn't gone through that, he just had one loss. Anderson would have to screw up and do some weird things, like turn down a rematch or play around in the rematch, for me to move Fedor back ahead of him. At least that's my GOAT list.
Now that the Silva domino has fallen, excluding CW, the biggest MW winner from the weekend is ? The losers would be Zuffa, superfight fans and of course Anderson.
Zuffa didn't lose in this. No way. The rematch will sell 1 million PPV, in my opinion. If Anderson wins, you have a potential trilogy or the super fight is back on the table. Zuffa is just fine. The biggest MW winner, if it's not Weidman? ... I guess Munoz? None of the other contenders really benefitted from this. They're all on hold until the rematch takes place.
Sanchez vs melendez? Two of my favorite fighters, i dont want either to loose, hopefully its a draw. Deft looks like it might have fight of the year written all over it
..... If you like one-sided drubbings it might have Fight of the Year on it. Diego always brings a good fight and I'm happy he's back at 155, very happy, but I'm thinking Melendez stomps him. I don't like that matchup.
Frankie edgar what nxt
Cub! Cub! Cub! Cub! Cub!
With GSP, Bones, Henderson and Cain all in tough fights coming up...who are the champions in each division by the end of year?
Cain, Jones, Weidman, Hendricks, Henderson ... but I think if/when Henderson runs into Pettis, Pettis beats him.
Not saying GSP was happy to see Silva get KO'd but I do think he is relieved he doesn't have to answer any more questions about a super fight (at least not with AS) any time soon.
I would say that is most likely accurate, yes. I'll still ask him about it next time I see him just to be that guy. "Hey Georges, you going to 185 next or what?"
Anderson a favorite fir the next fight?
Yeah, I saw one oddsmaker place him at -200 ... but another sent me a message on Twitter said he has it at -140.
Agree or disagree - the UFC waited too long for the superfights to simmer.
I would have to agree. Did we really need GSP/Diaz? As much as I like Carlos Condit, did we really need GSP/Condit? I mean REALLY REALLY need it? Did we need Silva/Okami? Hindsight is 20/20 here of course but yeah, I mean, I would have rather seen that super fight than the ones I just mentioned. And quite honestly, I love Chris Weidman and I think he'll have a special career, but if I was going to see Anderson lose, would I have preferred to see it happen against Jon Jones? Probably, yeah.
Ok, gut feeling, who wins the rematch? And do we see a much more businesslike Silva? I think Silva takes it.
I'm going back and forth man. Back and forth. I'll try to make this quick, my thoughts on the rematch:
Edge to Weidman, because now he's done it. He's been in there. He knows what to expect. He was able to take him down out in the open pretty easily, something I didn't see coming. His standup is underrated, you can tell it's really improving between each fight.Edge to Silva, because he did get Weidman to fight his type of fight, but then he got carried away with it. If he's able to get Weidman to fight him out in the open again, standup? How can you not favor him? I would say ultimately, gun to my head, I'd pick Silva in a rematch but I'll waffle on this until it happens.
Scenario: Silva waits until next year to fight again.... who do they match up Weidman with in the meantime? Belfort in Brazil?
You're crazy man. You don't risk losing this rematch. You think the UFC is going to put down 1 million PPVs on Red and spin the wheel? You must be out of your mind, son! Weidman is on the shelf until this rematch happens.
I'm going to switch topics for a second.....Holy Barboza leg kicks! I was literally cringing for Oliveira. In your opinion, is he a legit contendor for the strap?
Yeah I think so. I think the problem is you can still overwhelm Barboza, you know? His kryptonite is still going to be a Gray Maynard type who gets in his face, doesn't stand on the outside and takes him down and manhandles him a bit. If he gets a little "tougher" and I guess, "meaner" and can beat a guy like that? He's in the title hunt for sure. But think about it, does he beat Ben Henderson right now? I don't think so.
So, which fight did you enjoy the most on Saturday? Cub and Frankie fights were outstanding.
Frankie/Oliveira could easily be my Fight of the Year. No exaggeration. I thought it was that good. Too bad it was completely overshadowed by the main event. Because of what happened there, I like, barely remember Frankie, Oliveira.
Hello. When are we likely to see Messrs Dodson, Mousasi and Thompson (Josh) in the Octagon? In addition, which resource(s) do you check for future fights? Thanks
For future fights, ESPN.com has an MMA schedule. Most MMA websites do, really. Seems like Thomson and Pettis are willing to fight one another ... I don't know. I guess. I can't see why the UFC wouldn't want to have Pettis in Milwaukee, his hometown, challenge the winner of the Henderson/Grant fight next month. That seems like a no-brainer to have him step in the cage and have the crowd go wild, so on and so forth. Maybe he's finally reached that point where he's like, I will literally take the next fight the UFC offers just to get in the cage.
Sonnen beats Shogun, beats...Rockhold....fights again for the MW belt. How does that sound?
Brett, who do you think was the biggest winner of the Silva debacle? It sure doesn't seem like Weidman. I'm thinking it's Bones.
Bones? You mean the guy who would have made millions in a Jones/Silva super fight? I don't think so. Honestly, it's the UFC! Why do you think Dana wasn't harder on Silva for the way it went? Because he saw $$$$ in the rematch.
Who do they give Pierce next? He's a straight wrecking ball. His only losses recently are SDs (which could have easily gone the other way) to Kos and Hendricks? He needs a big step up IMO
I suppose. I also went back and looked at his record though, you know it's something like 7 of the 9 guys he's beat in the UFC are no longer with the UFC? He runs through weaker opponents and can't quite get it done in the must-win cases. Plus his style isn't fun to watch, which hurts him no doubt. How else do you explain him being the first fight of the night? He might get somebody decent but I doubt a big name off that win.
Who's next for Munoz, maybe Okami?
Okami is fighting Jacare. I'd be cool seeing Munoz/Belfort honestly. Belfort is going to need a fight. I'm intrigued by that style matchup. Why not?
Brett, i watched at a bar- glasses and bottles dropped as anderson got koed!! ?What was the scence like around you?
Absolute pandemonium. The crowd was already on the edge of its seat of course with how the fight was going. When he went down, it was deafening. I'll never forget it. Unlike when Werdum submitted Fedor ... silence. They couldn't have been more different.
Was it just me or did you get real excited looking at Gustafson square up again Jones yesterday? I know it's a tall order.....but at least we aren't starting that fight with the normal overwhelming size advantage for Jones.
I definitely love the fight. Ultimately, I think Gus still needs work. I always have. I think he's developing. But for sure, that fight has to be on your radar this year.
I can take Anderson's lost seriously just because of how he looked before all the playing around. He looked stronger than chris in the clinch and striking was much more crisp. I how can anybody think chris can beat Anderson if Anderson is really trying to win?
Eh, he looked fine in the clinch yes. And after that initial takedown from Chris, Anderson defended the only other shot of the fight really easy in the second round. But he never really hurt Chris, either. I agree with the idea Anderson could make it a much better fight if he didn't clown around, but I don't think it will be as easy as, Okay, Anderson actually wants to win this time so go ahead and put it in the books for him. Chris will give him a fight even at his best.
Was I the only one who had the initial reaction that Silva was still goofing and "playing dead" when he first hit the canvas? That's how shocking it was to see that man get KO'd.
No, most reporters I talked to after the fight said the same thing. For like a hundredth of a second you were thinking, wow he's really playing this possum thing out isn't he?
Silva didn't throw many strikes in this fight. Was it because he was scared of a take down after the first take down? Looked like he got rocked with a right and a pretty good submission attempt.
Yeah, he barely threw any it seemed like. He got Weidman to fight his type of fight. Mission Accomplished. At that point he should have been countering instead of screwing around. That's the problem a lot of us had with this. It's like, you didn't need to act like you were out on your feet, you had him committing anyway. At that point it was showboating. 100 percent.
How do u rank ur pound for pound top 5 now?
Jones, Anderson, GSP, Aldo, Weidman
Andersons body language looked off leading up to the fight. did you notice anything that stuck out to you? thanks.
He's a strange, strange guy. He was acting strange during fight week, but not really any more strange than usual. HIs answers to questions pretty much sucked, but they always suck. He'll say one thing to one camera and turn around and say some contradicting thing to another.
What are your thoughts on AS's comments about how the perfect outcome of UFC 162 would be if he was no longer champion? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, OK maybe a little, but that sounds fishy given the outcome.
The only thing you can really say about that is that some subconscious part of Anderson was sick of holding the belt. It got heavy around his waist and he wanted to breathe a bit. That's the only potential thing I read into it.
Any updates on Nick Diaz?
Supposedly he wants to fight, is what Dana said. And the UFC would love to have him, of course. I've heard other off the record stuff about Nick ... it just sounds like Nick stuff. I hope he gets it together and he fights because if he doesn't, he's just wasting a huge talent he's spent his life developing. That's tragic to me.
I see Mousasi as the future champ at 185...do you agree?
I don't. He's a good, technical fighter but I don't think he'll be able to put together a title run. I think Belfort knocks him out ... I could see Bisping outpointing him ... Jacare would probably beat him ...
People who think Silva threw the fight drive me nuts. Unless you're the Undertaker, not too many people can roll their eyes into the back of their head.
I can't believe the amount of people who sincerely believe this fight was fixed. Come on America.
Assuming Silva doesn't want a rematch or loses the rematch, what other middleweights match up well with Weidman?
The opportunity would go to Belfort but there is no way. Sources are saying Anderson has already changed his mind and wants the rematch. It's not even worth talking about. The UFC is dying for this rematch.
Isn't the showboating the reason he was fighting Anderson's type of fight?
See, here's the real question and the point of debate among people I've found. Either you think Anderson was just being the same Anderson he always is and paid for it ... or you believe he was doing some of the typical Anderson stuff but ratcheted it up to another level. I'm of the latter way of thinking.
Belfort wants a title shot, Bispen wants a title shot, Anderson says he does not want a title shot, Dana White says no rematch this year. Who fights Weidman next? Will Weidman not fight again this year?
Not unless it's against AS.
Hey Brett, thanks for the chat as always. Could the argument be made that the Anderson loss (circumstances aside) is actually good for the UFC? Certainly it brings about a rematch & potential triology which will do huge business
Awesome for the UFC.
Thoughts on Aldo and the KZ? Does the KZ have any shot? Based on what I've read, nobody is giving him any possibility of taking down Aldo.
Nor should they. He has some striking to set it up, but not anywhere near the level of Frankie Edgar. If there was one guy who could stand with Aldo, get in get out, set up takedowns, time them correctly, it was Edgar. And he couldn't really do it. I give KZ basically no chance. He's entertaining as heck, but who has he really beat? He put it all together against Dustin Poirier, but Poirier is no Aldo.
Which was the bigger upset: Serra/GSP or Weidman/Silva?
Do you think Anderson Silva saw how much money he could make with a rematch and changed his mind? He said he wanted "big money' fights.
That's a logical conspiracy theorist thought, but I don't buy it. He would have made basically just as much in a fight against GSP or Jones.
Is Weidman the next Matt Serra (one fight wonder), Rich Franklin (good champ, not great) or Anderson Silva/GSP (GOAT territory)?
I think he's in between Franklin and Silva right now. He'll have a better career than Franklin, I would say that pretty safely. Will he have the career of Silva? I mean, Siva is the greatest of all time. You can't jump the gun and say, oh yeah, Weidman is going to be the best ever. Has he got that type of potential?? ... Maybe.
Any shot we get the rematch, along with Rousey-Tate on the year end card?
Doubtful. Both are main event fights.
Brett - what's up with Krzysztof Soszynski? Is he retired?
Oh yeah. Has been for awhile. Last time I saw Krzysztof was early this year in Southern California, he was working at a UFC gym teaching a basic class to amateurs and seemed to be thoroughly enjoying himself.
Looking ahead, assuming the rematch happens, what will be the impression of Weidman if he manages to beat Silva a second time?
Dude is a badass.
Are there any plans or rumors about Overeem's next appearance?
The Reem will be gracing us with his presence on Aug. 17 in Boston against Travis Browne. Free TV, too.
Update on D. Cruz???
I only saw him at the fight and didn't talk to him but there was a clip on UFC.com where he had a sign next to his booth at the Fan Expo that said, "My knee feels great. My goal is to fight by the end of the year." He said to the camera, "I'll answer any other question, for real." He's in the gym working multiple times a day.
Brett, lets not downplay Rich Franklin...dude was 22-1 and 7-0 in the UFC when AS beat him.
I'm not downplaying Rich Franklin, I'm just saying Chris Weidman will have a better career than him when it's all said and done.
Brett - if I'm Weidman and I beat AS a second time and Belfort is next in line, I'm demanding that Belfort come to Vegas to fight. Are you?
Ohhhh yeah. Love that idea.
Just imagine for a sec that was Chael Sonnen who KO'd Silva. Can you imagine how that post fight interview would have gone? I'd pay $60 just to see that.
Yeah, I always got the feeling though that if Chael actually realized his dream of becoming a champion at something he would have dropped the schtick and we would have seen genuine happiness out of him.
What does Vitor do while he waits for Weidman/Silva rematch? Munoz? Gegard? Wandy 2?
I say Munoz. Please not Wandy. I like Wandy.
Why can't the UFC remember their own history? Calling Barboza's 2 leg kick TKO's a record? (Hello Antoni Hardonk?) And they darn near called Gonzaga's 17 second KO a record as well. Don't they have a statistician of some sort around (like most other sports) to keep them from saying silly things like that?
Don't know. You would think. Maybe Rogan just thinks his mind is a steel trap and he has every UFC stat memorized.
Are you concerned that Silva's legendary chin may be shattered forever. Once someone at his age gets knocked out like that they seem extremely susceptible to it happening again. I don't want to see Silva's lights go out many more times, it's tough to watch.
Interesting point to bring up. It's worth mentioning. He's never really been beat up before though and he strikes me as a guy who trains extremely intelligently. I wouldn't worry about his chin yet but you're right, those add up quickly at his age.
how many more defenses at lhw would bones need to overtake the Spyder as the GOAT? Does he have to win a HW title to do so? (I believe he could beat both Cain and JDS 7 out of 10 times)
I would say yeah, probably, depending on what happens with the rest of Silva's career though, he's not done yet. But as it stands right now, I think Bones needs either 16 wins in a row as well or he would need the heavyweight belt to surpass him.
If Anderson loses two more times in a row, how will he be viewed? Will he receive the same flak that Fedor received at the hands of new school fans?
Yeah probably, if he loses two more times and falls to 0-3? This is different than Fedor right now though. Fedor didn't look like he wanted to be there anymore when he lost those fights. He looked sad, like, "why won't they let me retire already." Anderson just acted a fool and got caught. He still has bounce in his legs.
Is Chris Weidman for real in your opinion?
For real. Will fall no further than No. 4 middleweight in the world for the next four years.
I think Silva believed that Weidman couldn't hurt him and disrespected him by believing in his chin too much. Anderson has never been hurt in a fight so maybe he felt he felt like he couldn't be hurt by this kid, boy was he wrong. Makes the rematch very interesting.
I agree. He thought he could get out of the way of most of them and the ones he didn't, he thought they wouldn't hurt.
Haven't heard much about the guys from the last ultimate fighter, when will we see guys like Luke Barnett and Dylan Andrews fight in the ufc?
Ummm, I think they have fights scheduled no? I don't know them off the top of my head but you would think soon. I know Uriah Hall is fighting in Boston and to be honest, he's pretty much the only one I care about.
What new aspect/discipline/technique of martial arts haven't we seen utilized in MMA that will play an important part in the future?
Maybe a litte more karate in the future? I don't think we've seen the full impact of Lyoto's success from the younger generation of fighter. You see Gunnar Nelson, a guy who can successfully use karate within his style can be real tricky. That's the only one that comes to mind.
If the rematch doesn't happen for whatever reason(it should), Machida should drop down to 185 and challenge Weidman after he beats Phil Davis. The revenge factor for his friend could be a selling point.
I like it. Or if Anderson takes the rematch and loses again? Machida can make 185 no problem. Guy looks positively svelte lately. Maybe Anderson moves to 205 and Lyoto to 185? They switch classes? Each win their second title in a second division? I could see it.
You must have been pretty shocked at how quickly Weidman put Silva on the canvas considering your commentary before the fight.
Come on Ken, whether you picked Anderson to win or lose, everyone was shocked by this fight. Nobody had Weidman by KO. I was shocked and not shocked. Shocked because Weidman knocked out Silva of course, and not shocked because you could basically see it coming. Like, what is Anderson doing tonight? He's really being cocky. Hope he doesn't pay for it ... oh too late.
thoughts on Brian Stann doing color for ACC college football?
Congrats. He's well spoken and knows the sport.
What's going on with Eddie Alvarez? Isn't he wasting away his prime with the legal battle?
No doubt about it. Personally, I think he should just drop it and fight for Bellator. Is it the ideal situation? No. But how bitter is this guy going to be if he sits out until late 2014, loses the court battle and has to fight for them anyway? I'm sure he'll make the best decision for himself and his family, though.
Hey Brett,An overlooked matchup I'm estatic for is Rory vs. Ellenberger, the twitter war doesn't hurt either. Who ya got? And who does the winner get?
I agree, we haven't talked about that one enough yet. Great fight. My early lean is Rory but I'm going to take a closer look at it. Ellenberger was awesome in his last fight against Marquardt. He could do to Rory what he did to Marquardt if he has his best night. If Ellenberger wins he's a title contender in my mind. If Rory wins, same, we'll have to see what happens with GSP/Johny.
Am I wrong to think that Vitor is the best MW in the world right now?
All due respect Brett, Franklin's had a stellar career. Set aside the brutal losses to Silva and we're looking at someone who's been pretty darn successful, especially since he fought up a weight class for most of it. If Weidman has a similar career, he's in good company.
Why do you guys think I hate Rich Franklin? The guy has had a terrific career. Hall of Fame career? Not sure. Chris Weidman is 10-0, has the belt and one win over Anderson Silva? Am I really that insane to suggest his career has the potential to be better than Franklin's when all is said and done?
Anderson was extremely cocky against Griffin and Bonnar and did ridiculous things in the cage but they didn't make him pay for it. Ed Soares called Weidman the "great white hope" before the fight. I honestly don't think they thought much of Weidman as a fighter.
Definitely possible. When we asked Anderson what Chris brought to the table during an ESPN on-camera interview after the weigh-in, he said ... "Nothing."
Pettis v Thompson, you gotta love that fight Brett. Who wins? Does Thompson get a title shot with only two wins in UFC?
Yes, Thomson would get a shot. It's a good fight but you guys should know by now I think Pettis is the real deal. If that fight happens, Pettis beats Thomson then beats Henderson/Grant.
Speaking of Bellator and Eddie Alvarez. It seems to me that Bellator is getting quite a pass from the press regarding this situation. I guess no one wants to tick Rebney off and incur some sort of Dana White-like wrath, losing event privileges, etc. If I were a fighter watching this situation and I thought that I might want to fight for another promotion in the future, I would think twice before signing to Bellator.
I don't think Bellator has gotten a free pass from the media. There have been plenty of articles stating this is a lose-lose situation for Bellator. That being said, I don't know if you can really blame the company for wanting to keep its most visible title-holder of the past four years. Without getting into the specifics of the case, Bellator is still offering Eddie a lot of money.
Any word on Hector Lombard's 1st fight at 170??
Lombard is fighting Marquardt in Houston ... we'll see how it goes. Lombard is intriguing but I don't think he's got a long win streak in him. And I'm not sure how easy it's going to be for him to lose that weight. Cutting muscle sucks.
What do you see as a next fight for Wand? Would he be a top 10 MW if he had finished Franklin?
Probably not ... top 15 more like it. Not sure what's next. Nostalgic type fight. Also ... Chris Leben looks done. He won't be cut but he doesn't got it anymore. Hopefully he retires and the UFC creates some sort of job for him and gives him some money. Guy had a fun career.
I heard you say at the beginning of last chat "Greetings United Statesians" and that deserved a punch in the face. I know why you said it, but still...punch coming. Let's talk about this.
I'm sorry. I just heard it myself and you're right, I deserve it.
Last week I asked you what non-belt holder you would bank roll for the next five to ten years and you said Rory. Weidman didn't have a belt last week! If you could go back and time, would you change your answer?
Probably yes ... but don't underestimate the power of being Canadian. Georges can't fight forever. Who makes more money in the next 10 years, Rory or Chris? Rory will only be 33 in 10 years!!!! No, I'm sticking with Rory.
Re: Bellator and Alvarez. I guess I just don't understand why you would want to *force* someone to stay with you if they don't want to. If it turns out in Bellator's favor, I have no problem foreseeing a very ugly relationship between them. *That* is how you want to portray your organization? I really don't get it. You want to make Bellator the *preferred* organization for fighters, not the place where they have to take you to court to stay.
I agree with all that, but if you give up the lawsuit, you're effectively saying, "We can't give you what the UFC can give you." That's not a statement you want to make as a business either.
What,s it like to replace a legend you replaced chost, j.A.?
You gotta want that spot. You gotta want what the champ's got. That's the mindset you need in this game.
Fighter with the biggest mental toughness? The one who just goes in there with a killer instinct and allows the least amount of distractions to affect them?
Frankie Edgar is mentally tough. Dan Henderson is mentally tough.
Brett, if BJ wanted it, how many wins would it take at 155 for him to get a title shot? I kind of think Dana and company would find some way to get him a shot after maybe 2 wins.
In that division? I don't think so. They would give him fights to get to that spot though. I think it would still take at least three, unless he did something craaaaazzzy in one of them.
What % chance do you give Miesha of beating Rousey? And what would she have to do to pull it off?
It's possible. I've had lots of talks with people about Ronda's style coming from Judo and one thing that is just fact, Judoka's do have a tendency to give their back. And Miesha is the only girl I think who could *maybe matchup with Ronda's grappling. Like, Marloes Coenen is a fantastic ground fighter, but she doesn't have the right style against Ronda. You need that power wrestling base that Miesha has. If she wins, it's because she takes Ronda's back and submits her. Honestly, I think that's the only way. And right now I'd give her a 30% chance of doing it. Ronda isn't invincible.
Brett - as a huge Anderson fan, I looked at my wife in the middle of the first round and told her I couldn't handle 25 minutes of Weidman laying on AS. I was so happy when he got him to stand up and fight Anderson's fight...then poof. Very sad.
It was a fun fight to watch, I think we all can agree with that. The rematch really will be bananas. I want it right now.
You really have Weidman above Cain in p4p? REALLY?
Oh yeah. I think I don't have Cain until No. 8. I have Demetrious Johnson ranked over Cain.
In that same vein, does Rory get the shot immediately after GSP loses?
Depends on what GSP would want.
Any chance Moraga beats DJ for the flyweight title? And does the UFC use the term "flyweight" when promoting the fight?
Haha, interesting question. Yes, they use the term when promoting the fight. And there is a chance. I've always liked Moraga a lot. Good power and a really strong guillotine. Watch for that thing. But I think Demetrious Johnson is just outstanding. No holes, capable of fighting different strategies, unique set of athletic abilities. Love that guy. I think he wins.
What are the chances that you give Silva of winning the second fight?
I am literally 50/50 sitting at my computer today. Maybe 55/45 in favor of Anderson.
What is going on in the Flyweight div....sparse fights coming from them after the UFC promoted that tourney.
Champ was injured and simply not as many guys fight at 125. Much smaller roster size than say 170.
If Jones runs through Gus, how many more fights does he have at 205? I would say only 1 or 2. It's gotta be getting hard for him to make weight.
I don't think it's hard on him to make weight at all. The bigger question is what's left? I've always said and continue to say there is no need for him to rush to heavyweight. He's still so young. He'll have plenty of years as a heavyweight. Let him fight Gus. Let him fight Glover. Let him fight whoever. To you point, it's going to be much harder for him to ever come back to 205 once he's left, so let him chill there for awhile.
Credit to Weidman for taking advantage of Silva's silliness, but it seemed like at points when Silva was loosening up, Weidman looked scared of standup. You think?
I wouldn't say scared ... I'd say tense. Not strikingly so, but there were moments where I think he was like, what's coming? what's coming? what's happening?
One of the gripes I had about the fight is how much heat AS took for 'clowning around' in the fight and I think it was Rogan who said 'you can't do that in MMA' etc. and expect to win...that's what Silva has been doing forever. He just happened to finally get caught.
Not to that extent Bill. He had never played around that much. And in the past, when he played around, he threw counter punches. This time, he really wasn't. That's my take at least.
Having watched that fight several times now I don't get why people remark about Weidmen laying on silva like he was stalling. He was very active and pounding on silva the whole time he had him down. And then hit him when they were standing up. Silva got beat straight up.
No, Chris was never going to just "lie" on him. He attacked the leg! That was what allowed Silva to get back up. Who goes for a leglock against Anderson Silva once you have him down? There was no lay and pray at all in that fight.
Im in the camp that thinks Glover vs Gustaffson shouldve happened to create the real number 1 contender...I dont see Gus giving JBJ much trouble...thoughts?
I loved the Glvoer/Gustafsson fight. I think that's a barn burner and I hope we see it at some point. As far as Gus giving JBJ much ... we'll see. Like I said, he's not a polished fighter yet. But he's so durable. He took some haymakers from Shogun like they were nothing. I could see him clipping Jones and giving us a few, Ohhhhhh here we go! moments.
Missed most of the chat today, sorry if already asked but they HAVE to make Edgar Swanson, right???
Please. I started calling for that fight before Frankie beat Oliveira on Saturday.
How dangerous at the end of rnd 1 was it for Weidman to head-push Spider against the cage....I was expecting knees to the face ala Franklin!
Haha, that was weird. It was like he didn't know exactly what he wanted to do and they just sort of awkwardly bro-hugged into the fence.
I know this is an unrealistic what if, but if a fighter could any division to fight in, which provides the opportunity for the quickest road to a title?
Flyweight is wide open. Just look at who's fighting for the belt this month. John Moraga. Great fighter but didn't exactly have the hardest road to get there. Heavyweight also, pretty open.
What's your opinion on recent European import Conor McGregor? He's fighting on an upcoming card on fox and I'm looking forward to seeing him. Do you think he has what it takes to ascend the ranks of such a stacked 145lb division in the next 18 months?
I think it's too early to tell. He knocked out Marcus Brimmage. Let's see what he does in his next few fights.
Who takes that one though, Frankie or Cub? I have Frankie but Cub lands his fair share of haymakers.
Oh man, tough call. We're talking about two of my absolute favorites in the sport right now. Seriously. If you ask for a top 10 of guys I want to see fight on any given night, both these guys are on that list. I think Cub is on something special right now. I lean Cub.
JDS-Cain. Trilogy. Who gets it and how? And who the heck gets the winner? Miocic?
No, no, no, no. Easy with the Miocic rocket ship. The guy had a great win against Roy but he's not ready for Cain or JDS. Werdum gets winner, as long as he doesn't lose in the meantime. Trilogy? I think you have to like Cain ... but that's going to be an awesome fight. We'll see.
What's next for Roger Gracie at this point? I thought he'd do well against Kennedy, but there was a huge discrepancy in strength and cardio between the two.
And honestly, heart. Gracie needed to dig deep after that first round and ... nothing. He did basically nothing in the final 10 minutes of that fight. I think this was kind of always his destiny in MMA. Beat the lower tier guys who can't deal with his BJJ, lose to any one who is above average. I wouldn't expect much more from him than that moving forward.
Will Jon Jones break Silva's title defense streak?
What's interesting and something I hadn't really thought of ... will GSP? GSP has eight, the record is 10. All of a sudden, GSP is like, "Hmmmm, tree more veectories and I will hold zee title." He just became more motivated for the Johny fight.
With all the bashing AS is getting for goofing around, in some respect he really pushed the boundaries for MMA fighting. Not to say it was masterful, but in a certain way, couldn't you say that what Silva did was pushing himself to see how far his "loose" fighting style could take him? No one else would have the confidence to fight like that in a championship fight against a major force (i.e. not Kalib Starnes v. Nate Quarry).
Yeah, that's always been the case with Anderson. He walks a fine line. But I always thought he did it while still maintaining his head. He messed with guys' heads, then made them pay for it. In this fight, he probably got Chris thinking, but then didn't try to capitalize on it. Just kept going about messing with his head. It didn't make sense to me.
can you pleaseeeeeee explain why you have cain so low on your p4p list???
It's nothing against Cain, I'm just more impressed with the other guys. You know how technically advanced Demetrious Johnson is? You know how much better his combinations are than Cain's? It's difficult because you're comparing two completely different weight classes, but if you suddenly shrank Cain to 125 pounds, could he beat DJ? No. DJ's takedown defense is insane. His footwork is insane.
I'm with you Brett on Franklin. He rolled through an extremely weak division. I personally slightly downgrade Anderson for that reason. MW has always been a very weak division. A good chunk of the guys Anderson beat aren't even n the UFC anymore.
You have to fight who is in front of you, but yeah, generally speaking Weidman will have fought better competition in his career than Franklin as well. He's 10 fights in and has already fought Anderson Silva. He fought Maia, who is a Top 5 welterweight now and fought for the 185 pound title before.
How is UFC deciding who works pre-fight/post-fight shows? Interesting to see Cormier in the 162 booth given only one UFC fight.
I've never talked to anyone about it, but they have a handful of guys. The show is produced in LA. Probably is just based on who is available, who has a fight coming up they could promote at the same time, etc.
Who holds the 205 and 185 belts in 1 year?
One year ... July 2014 ... well ...
Middleweight: Anderson Silva. I have no confidence in this pick. Who can say they do at this point?Light Heavyweight: Jon Jones. I still don't think he'll be a heavyweight at that point.
Alright we'll wrap it there. Marathon chat. Was prepared for it though with what happened over the weekend. Thanks for the questions/comments as always. Talk to me on Twitter anytime, @bokamotoESPN. See you next week. And seriously, the fight wasn't fixed so ... stop it.