It's the Tuesday Boxing Chat (#TBC)! Thanks for taking the time to join me over the next hour. We can talk about whatever is on your mind. A final shout goes to the folks in the Basement who will be undertaking a final go-around with the old system. Much respect goes out there. As always, the floors is yours. Let's do this ...
Gimme a bottle of anything, and a glazed doughnut ... to go.
Are you talking about a Yankee Rose?
At what weight class does Mayweather become uncompetitive?...super middle?
Great question to kick us off today, Ben. I've always wanted to see him really dare to be great and do what comparative fighters like Sugar Ray Leonard and Oscar De La Hoya have done by attempting to move up and win a middleweight title. I think he could be very competitive there, although there would be obvious concern regarding how heavy a shot he could take as he moved up. Certain matchups would present an almost unfair size disadvantage, but clearly would be the greatest test of his all-time great skill. I think 168 pounds would be too high. He may be able to beat a name there under the right circumstances, but we all know Floyd walks around at a lot less weight than most of the great welterweights in history.
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That's a great point. Now make sure you stay away from my kids' bedroom.
BK, Loving the Tuesday chats it is now on my permanent schedule! I love the potential Alvarado-Providinikov fight. Thinking about flying to Denver for that one. Get it done Bob!
Roy, thanks for the love, even if you did identify me as BK. For a fan of action, could it really get any better than Alvarado-Provodnikov? Seriously? That, Pacquiao-Rios and Marquez-Bradley would make a fun trifecta for Top Rank of potentially combustible matchups this fall. I hope it gets done. It's also good to see a major city outside of the traditional boxing hubs of recent years (Vegas, NYC, greater LA, Atlantic City, the major Texas metropolis') getting a good fight like that.
Bigger puncher pound for pound right now...Mathysse or Golovkin?
Golovkin. But hot damn it's close.
Does Fury really have no shot against Haye? Is Fury that much less capable that Valuev, who gave Haye a close fight?
The problem is that Fury doesn't appear to take a punch anywhere near as good as Valuev does. That's really the deciding factor. Could Fury lean on Haye and hang around and even win some rounds should Haye prove to be unaggressive while he looks to load up with a big right hand? Possibly. But Haye has legit TNT inside of his gloves for that division. And Fury is there to be found.
Will GGG ever get a big win seeing as the big names are scared to fight him?
If he remains as busy as his handlers are planning for him to be, he may end up just building a big enough must-see brand due to his exciting style and knockout ability that the opponents won't be able to stay away in the long run. That's my theory. But, he still has more work to do in terms of proving himself each fight. I believe in his true stock more than some, but still would love to see him tested by a slick boxer with a good chin.
Am I wrong in thinking that more people would want to see Provodnikov and his style more than they want to see Alvarado?
Alvarado's got a bit more name value and proven track record. Obviously Ruslan made the leap with that performance against Bradley, but Alvarado is still the name fighter in this matchup.
What has got into edwin rodriguez? I mean... Wow!
My sentiments exactly. I've always liked him as a prospect and respected his ability to box, but no one can deny he has been all along missing that "it" factor and that ability to raise things to the next level in a big moment. In fact, his career had completely lacked any big moments because of that fact completely. This KO of Grachev was a complete diversion of that. I hope we see more of it because it could make him an interesting player in the division.
Who is your prospect of the midyear?
Felix Verdejo. Enough said.
Brian, what are your thoughts on the performance by Edwin Rodriguez last Saturday? Who would you like him to face next?
I think Rodriguez-Stieglitz would be a very interesting matchup.
Hey Brian, what's your thoughts on the Rigo situation with HBO? Seems like a double standard since they still regularly put on Dawson and Ward, two fighters who bring the same exact excitement level as Rigo.
I have to be honest and say that I don't understand it. Again, I get why people don't enjoy him. It sort of comes with the territory for a pure, defensive-based boxer who is so dominant in his technique that he doesn't need to put himself in position to get hit in return. It's not for everybody. And maybe I'm just a mark for him and have been since he turned pro. But his skill level is so high that he's a joy to watch perform. And I say that acknowledging that Rounds 5-9 in the Donaire fight were relatively brutal on the eyes.
What does Mikey Garcia need to do to get top 10 p4p consideration?
In terms of my personal list, he's right there in that 11-13 range and is basically one more convincing win away. He has shown Top 10 P4P talent for a while now and I've been close to pulling the trigger. He's the future of that list, above all the other names on the verge of breaking it, if you ask me. And I think you just did.
Did you enjoy watching the Donaire-Rigondeaux match?...I thought it was way high-level.
I just re-watched that fight last night, ironically enough. There were some really sensational rounds of just high-level chess early on and then again late. I did think the crowd had every right to boo the middle rounds and that no matter which side of the line you stand on regarding Rigondeaux, you have to agree he should have done more those rounds to at least crush any remaining doubt that he wasn't winning those rounds. But from ringside it was a fun fight altogether. He set the tone with that first left hand in the first round and stole Donaire's confidence.
It's hard to imagine that GGG won't be in a major PPV with JCC or SOGin the next 18-24 months. Isn't it tough to see how the three of them DON"T make two PPVs between them eventually?
I am of the belief that he'll end up getting two PPVs out of the three major names in front of him that fight on HBO around his division: Martinez, Ward, Chavez. As long as Golovkin keeps winning and continues to look impressive, people will start lining up. The best way to build a captive and travelling audience when you are from a country that doesn't necessarily translate well in America in terms of a fanbase is to finish people the way he does.
After watching ER's destruction of Grachev I started thinking about a Bika fight. I think ER gets it done with the straighter shots but not convinced. What says you?
That's a wonderful idea, Paul. Bika, as we know, is cagey enough to potentially give him trouble and also has enough guts to go for the win every single round.
Canelo or Mayweather? Does Canelo have a legitimate shot at winning?
Obviously he has as decent a shot as anyone would right now when you consider he's in his prime and he has a distinct power and weight advantage. But some things would have to happen for him to really win this. He's not going to straight outbox Floyd. He's most likely not going to just one-punch KO him when you consider all the factors involved. But ... can he be the first guy to REALLY get to this aging, yet still spectacular, version of Floyd? And by that, I mean can he score multiple knockdowns and give himself a shot to grab some rounds, add up the points and make a run at swaying the judges into a split decision?
If the Mayweather from the Guerrero fight shows up, however, it ends in a wide UD. I think we can agree on that.
Do you think non-boxing fans will be drawn to May-Alvarez in the same way they were to May-De la Hoya and Tyson-Lewis?
Not in the same way as the other fights were because of different factors. First of all, it's Mike Tyson we are talking about. And it was the version of Mike who was still certifiably crazy, which created a belief that maybe he really could get to and break down the undisputed champion of the world, who in the past had shown a chin that could be toppled. That sells itself 10 times over. The Mayweather-De La Hoya, on the other hand, was hugely fueled along by the debut of "24/7" and also was an obvious "passing the torch" moment from the commercial star of the sport to the potential one in waiting, who also happens to have been the P4P No. 1 fighter. Mayweather-Canelo has a little bit of that idealism in it, but it's different. If they go straight nuts in the promotion of this fight the final month like you expect they will, it has 2 million potential. If they load the undercard it helps even more. I still predict a solid 1.8 million. I don't think it tops those two you referenced.
Do you think by this time next year Gary Russell jr. will fight a legit opponent?
I can't say yes with any certainty. And neither can you, BP. He seems like he's one bad hand injury away from pulling out of a fight against TBA and never being seen again. Oddly enough, that side drama has become this weird and compelling story all unto its own.
Do you think freddie roach would be able to refine Zou's boxing like he did with manny years ago?
I don't know. Obviously it's hard to judge Zou from one fight, but I have some doubts. I do think he will be a ton of fun to watch and will really drive a huge following each time he steps up to the next level.
BC - following up on that Gary Russell Jr question... any idea why he supposedly turned down a fight with Daniel Ponce de Leon? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I have no answers. This guy should have had a fight like that two and a half years ago. At this point it's a complete "wait and see" type of thing.
Mayweather 8x champion.. how about the 14 14 14 14 14 14 14x champion.. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Look at this guy Natcha Boy taking part in the #TBC. Nice.
Adrian Broner said he'll fight anybody?? Do u believe that ?
Anyone not named Mayweather who also happens to be promoted by Golden Boy. I have no reason right now to believe Broner isn't telling the truth, though. The test will be Matthysse, should he roll through Garcia and then, say, not get a Mayweather fight right after.
Who are some of your favorite boxing writers?
It may sound like in-house propaganda now that we are good friends, but I've always been a huge Mulvaney guy.
BC, Am I the only one who thinks the Money-Canelo fight does NOT draw casual fans. Canelo is not well known outside the Mexican or boxing fan base. None of my sports fan friends who are not boxing fans know who this kid is. I think this PPV does 1.5-1.7 tops, an absolute resounding success but with all the financial guarantees it might not be the success it should be.
Your theory is what drives the belief that this fight won't touch Mayweather-DLH, because Canelo just isn't on the same level as both of those guys were back in 2007. But ... don't discount the ammunition Showtime has in terms of this promotion. If they make an assault on the general public and casual fan like we haven't seen in a few years, this thing could make a late run at some HUGE numbers. Canelo isn't on the front of the mind of every casual sports fan in middle America. That is true. But can he be over the new few months? How well can they sell that this is Mayweather's most dangerous opponent (in terms of power, although not in terms of a defeat) in arguably a decade?
Roy from Reno has to remember: casual fans will be brought in if they see that major networks like ESPN are taking notice and believe me, there is notice being taken. I've seen PTI, Around the Horn, First take etc. discuss this fight in some manner.
Good call, Ronny.
Brian, if Richard Steele allowed Meldrick Taylor to finish the Chavez fight, do you think it would still be considered the best fight of the 1990's?
That would have stolen a great deal from the drama, obviously. So, no, it wouldn't have been on the same level or have remained so historically significant.
Is Joe Tessatore one of the best announcer in any sport? Not sure Joe gets his due
I have much respect for Joe's ability to call a fight. He's very smooth on the mic and I like him a lot in college football, too.
Does Floyd know how to fight when he's badly hurt?
He knows how to survive, I'll give him that. I think his ability to avoid trouble the few times he has been hurt has been outstanding. The only real fight we have seen him have to stand and fight due to the perceived thought that he was losing on the scorecards late in the fight was the first one with Castillo. One thing Floyd has is those true intangibles that real champions have and I would assume he would be able to lean on those to a decent degree in times of trouble. But he has also made a career out of 1) not being in those spots and 2) selling to fans the hope that each fight will be the one that he finally will have to.
If canelo beats mayweather, does that make him #1 p4p?
No. He's not even ranked right now on our ESPN Top 10. Unless he pulled a Rigo on him, I don't see how you could just make him No. 1.
I was at the Barclays last night for WWE Raw and I gotta say: I was all the way high up and still had a perfect view of the ring. It's a perfect boxing venue, no question
I have had no complaints from a boxing perspective as of yet. It's a great facility.
Don't forget round 2 against Mosley Brian; he was facing serious adversity and stayed calm and weathered the storm. Still doesn't get enough credit for that.
Great call, and that was essentially what I was referencing most in saying that the few times we have seen him hurt, he knew exactly what to do in order to save himself. Watch those two punches in slow motion and you really get a feel for how flush and huge they were and he stood his ground amazingly well, especially on the second one when he was leaning backwards.
Can Curtis Stevenson get a shot at GGG !! Is it a dangerous fight for GGG or a easy win!!!
You mean Curtis Stevens? Heck, I'd watch it. Curtis is a fun fighter. I don't think he's on GGG's level though and I think it would end early.
Hey Brian, I thought Cotto and Pedro Diaz had good chemistry and was surprised to hear that Cotto has hired Roach for his next fight. I mean eventhough Cotto is coming off a two losses but it's not like he underperformed or something. On the contrary, he gave Mayweather the toughest fight of his career, and also gave Trout some fits in the first rounds of their fight. So do you think it was a bad decision to part ways with Pedro?
It's tough to say whether or not it was a bad decision until we see how well he does with Roach, of course. But I have to agree on how much I was surprised and had assumed they were as perfect a pairing as Cotto was going to have in his career. Sure, he wasn't the stand-and-trade, go to the body fighter he had been, but the influence of Diaz's pure boxing teachings looked pretty good in their three fights together. He had some real good moments in that Trout fight, too. People forget that and just assume he was dominated. Not the case. Cotto simply ran out of gas just as Trout, the much bigger man, made a very strong late stand.
Do you think Trout would have a better chance at the W against May?
That would be a very, very interesting fight. I would love it. But I don't think there's a chance we end up seeing it.
A prime Lennox vs a prime Wlad Klitschko: who wins?
Thoughts on Carly Rae Jepsen's first pitch?
What is your top 5 fights covering ringside and what is your top 5 worst fights covering ringside?
The two worst, BY FAR, were Devon Alexander-Randall Bailey and Seth Mitchell-Jonathan Banks II. Not even close.
And since you already know I'm a sucker for this kind of stuff, we can indulge each other. The best in order were: 1) Berto-Ortiz, 2) Hopkins-Pascal II, 3) Quillin-N'Dam, 4) Bika-Periban and 5) Lee-McEwan. I thought Cotto-Trout was a real underrated and fun fight. And the best atmosphere may still be Cotto-Margarito II.
Trout couldnt deal with canelo's hand speed much less mayweathers. he even said in the post fight interview after his loss to canelo. Easy win for money may.
I think Mayweather wins, as well. But Trout has enough unique tools to make it interesting in my mind. I also thought he beat Canelo in a close fight that could have gone either way.
Any truth to the Erislandy Lara v. Austin Trout match? I saw it on Lara's fb page, but I haven't seen one article for it yet.
I don't have any truth to confirm that but would be very interested in seeing it. Obviously the fight has some potential for it to be a snoozer, but also a fun chess match.
Zab Judah vs Paulie Malignaggi at the Barclays, loser must retire; thoughts?
You have the makings of a fine promoter.
I know the fight is a LONG way off, but I'd love to see Wilder vs Wlad. Wlad's skills and Wilders tremendous right hand would be an interesting few rounds before Wlad takes his head off. SOUP!!!
"The Macho Man" returns! Welcome, my friend. I love the idea of this, of course, as long as Wilder can take that next step and prove himself. Who wouldn't want to match an unbeaten 6-foot-7 American with a rocket right hand against the real champion of the world? I hope we see it, but Wilder has some explaining to do first.
BTW, has anyone seen Dee?
Is Broner popular enough to carry on for Floyd and Manny after they retire?
He will be. I don't know if he has their same juice in terms of being able to, at times, almost singlehandedly carry the ball as the true PPV star of the sport as they were able to do at times, but he will be plenty popular unless he catches a few losses in the near future.
What is the best boxing movie ever?
It's definitely not "Diggstown", although I'll never turn the channel if that one comes on.
Mosley vs. Malinaggi. Regardless of the outcome, Mosley retires.
I like the end outcome, but I'll still pass.
Lara-Trout? Sign me up
Why is Donaire playing around and not fighting the best out there? Mares-Rigo-Garcia-Gamboa?
I think the guy deserves a break after five fights in such a short period of time, including the last fight which was his first loss in 30 fights. He has done a lot in a short period to raise his name and push his career along. If he wants to rematch Darchinyan in a fun fight and work his way back to a major name, it's cool with me.
Charlie z vs floyd sr. Was a pretty entertaing fight.
It was worth one viewing. Not bad.
Were you ringside for Corrales-Castillo 1?
I was not, as my boxing writing career began in early 2011. I do have a heartbreaking story from that night that I shared in an earlier chat a month or two back. It's basically the sole reason I have never been able to include it in my list of Top 5 favorite fights of all-time. I of course rank it the best fight of the modern era, but got screwed out of watching it live as it happened.
What do you think about Pacquiao vs Rios? What is your prediction on that fight?
It's going to be an absolute blast. Pacquiao will show a bit more vulnerability than his supporters would like to see early on, but he ultimately gets the job done and stops Rios late on a cut or ref stoppage. It will be fun.
Donaire and mikey garcia are both trained by robert garcia.
Yes they are. Here was his response when I asked him in June if he would ever, under any circumstances, consider a fight with Nonito: "I doubt that we'll be fighting any time soon as long as he's with my brother [trainer Robert Garcia] and we are both managed by Cameron [Dunkin] and promoted by Top Rank. We have a different relationship, so it's hard to say that I want to fight him or that he wants to fight me. [HBO] might be interested in something like that because that might generate a lot of attention and a lot of viewers, but there are so many variables that you have to look at. It's one of those fights that could be like a dream matchup, but it's probably not going to happen. We have a friendly relationship. I support him in every way and he supports me. It's different than fighting someone else that you don't really know. It's not something that you want."
Ever ruined a suit due to blood falling ringside?
No, but at my wedding reception I dropped the first fork full of penne all over my white tie and shirt. Wife was REAL happy about that one.
I agree do you know how long I've been waiting to see a rematch between Darchinyan vs Donaire! let these two fight then the winner(Donaire wins in a great fight late ko) fight Rigondeaux early next year
I think a Rigondeaux-Donaire rematch would be a good fight, especially if Donaire has some time away and can get in top shape and be injury free. It will be fun to see if Rigo can do that again.
Despite the cold war, how fun would it be to see Mikey Garcia v. Abner Mares?
Big-time fun, but I'd still rather see Rigo-Mares.
Brian: Have you ever met a boxer who you just din't like at all personally?
Not yet, but there's still time.
BC do you think Corrales cheated or had general ring saviness when he kept spitting out his mouthpiece to buy him time vs castillo to win the fight?
The latter. He knew what he was doing. And it worked. Somehow.
Can we expect another easy fight and KO by Wlad when he fights Povetkin later on this year?
I tend to think if he wanted to that Povetkin might be able to avoid a KO and drop a decision. But KO is the best bet. I really hope it's competitive and fun because it's really the best heavyweight fight that could be made.
Was boxing your favorite sport growing up?
Not favorite, but I was a DIEHARD fan of heavyweights and all things Leonard-Hagler-Hearns from 1987 to the late 90's. The Leonard-Hagler fight, and the fact that my non-sports watching Dad bought the PPV because the buzz for that had even reached him, was a turning point in building the grounds for me becoming a superfan and then writer.
BC, Dee is busy asking Antonio Margarito how to properly wrap hands.
Along with the phone numbers of everyone who has ever wrapped him.
Alright folks, got to shut it down a bit early today. Had an absolute blast. Great talking to you as always. Thanks for taking part. Follow me on Twitter if that's your thing at @BCampbellESPN and, as always, be on the lookout for our web show on ESPN.com called "Making The Rounds" every Tuesday night.