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September 9, 2:00 PM ET
Chat with Ryan McGee

Ryan McGee
  (2:00 PM)

What's up, my controversy-drenched brothers and sisters and welcome to the intermittent Monday Motorsports Block Party Chat. I've been watching JFK all day and have been working on my Jim Garrison accent, so...let's talk Richmond!

Jeff A. (New Jersey)

Ryan, the actions of MWR are an abomination to the sport. These acts will only continue until NASCAR steps in and does something significant, whether they "want" to be that involved or not. Would a hefty fine (high 6 figures), extending the Chase to 14 to allow for Newman and Gordon to be slotted in, and putting MWR racers at a significant points disadvantage (negative points?) entering the Chase be that unreasonable? Would seem to right many of the wrongs and likely be harsh enough to be remembered going forward?

Ryan McGee
  (2:03 PM)

I am going to go off on this tomorrow on the Marty&McGee podcast. (Download it now, we need the numbers!) I believe that if NASCAR were to do anything, and I honestly don't think that it will, then the best fine would be giant monetary fine slapped on MWR and then hit Bowyer with a 50-point penalty...

Ryan McGee
  (2:04 PM)

That would be twice as big as the usual hammer penalty and it would essentially guarantee that he can't win the championship. Because if you think people are mad about Richmond...just imagine what it would be like if one of the MWR cars won the Cup!

Ryan McGee
  (2:05 PM)

I don't think that Truex should be pulled. If there's an innocent bystander here - at least one not named Newman or Gordon - it's him. I feel like I have a pretty good handle on that guy and the guy that I know would have never signed off that chaos.

Ryan McGee
  (2:06 PM)

It was very obvious after the race he had no clue. When Marty Smith brought it up he actually started laughing because the idea sounded so outlandish.

BB (NC)

Ryan,I have been a NASCAR fan since 1993. From time to time over the years I have had moments where I go hmmmm. Over the last couple years I have found myself less interested in the sport due to what seems to be more frequent moments over situations that I thought were really suspect...again...hmmm. These situations have led me to believe NASCAR was becoming a little bit like WWF. Now, after Richmond I think my NASCAR following is over. Too many things in that race that makes me believe that it ultimately is about the money in the sport and is set up like the WWF and not true competition. Even within teams I think there are decisions made about who should win and resources are given accordingly.Just too bad this sport has to fall in the same category as wrestling. One less fan today.

Ryan McGee
  (2:07 PM)

Well, this is the problem with all of this. It reinforces that "NASCAR is like pro wrestling" stereotype that we've all had to fight over the years.

Ryan McGee
  (2:08 PM)

And that's honestly the part that makes me angriest. If this was what we think it was, then how horribly short-minded of the people behind it not to think about the potentially massive chain reaction they might set off.

Teddy Wright (Newark, Ohio)

Will Quicken Loans be following Ryan Newman to RCR? Also do you think NASCAR should expand the chase and include Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon due to MWR's shady racing on Saturday?

Ryan McGee
  (2:09 PM)

The Newman-to-RCR press conference is actually happening right this minute. As of right now, the only sponsor announced is Caterpillar.

Ryan McGee
  (2:09 PM)

And no, I don't think we'll see those cars added.

Tim (AZ)

I know bowyer's spin is extremely shady and its implications are frustrating, but I'd like to beat another dead horse. I am a bit appalled that NASCAR has a taken a see no evil approach to the final restarts in both the nationwide and cup races last weekend. After listening to their rants about not putting them in that position and the back and forth between them and the 48 this year,how can they think that any reasonable fan isn't going to find the way they stuck their heads in the sand Saturday night hypocritical to the highest degree. That win by the 99 had chase implications as well, let not forget. Thanks.

Ryan McGee
  (2:10 PM)

If there's any good to be found in the no-calls on the restarts it's that, hey, at least they were consistent! There's no doubt that Edwards hit the line ahead of the leader. But two things happened that I felt kind of dulled the edge about it all...

Ryan McGee
  (2:12 PM)

1. Menard kind of threw a wet blanket on all the hell raising when he said he couldn't get going...even as his crew chief, Slugger Labbe, was raising stink about it on Twitter. He essentially took away his own potential argument.

Ryan McGee
  (2:12 PM)

2. I actually would have been more irritated had they called on Saturday night what they didn't call on Friday night.

Dee (Vegas)

2 years ago Menard spun on purpose at Richmond to help Harvick win the race and NASCAR didn't do anything. Even though the totality of circumstances seems pretty damning to MWR, everything NASCAR has is circumstantial. There is no smoking gun (ie, illegal parts or jet fuel). If they do anything after not punishing RCR two years ago, I'll be disappointed. I bet they get a private warning. But, if the final restart is any indication, NASCAR is nothing if not inconsistent. If I was the 48 team and saw the 99's final restart I would be PO'd. Looked just like Dover to me.

Ryan McGee
  (2:14 PM)

I hear all this, but I do think that circumstances can dictate what deals are bigger than others. The totality of this is so massive and altered the future for so many different teams...and the entire postseason.

Ryan McGee
  (2:16 PM)

But as evidence goes, keep in mind that NASCAR used video replay/telemetry evidence all they time. That's how they sort out confusing field orders on restart. They'll even use it to see if a pit crew had a violation, no different than the replay booth in football.

Ryan McGee
  (2:16 PM)

And if you sync up the radio communication with the video and also with telemetry/timing & scoring...there's a lot there.

Matt R. (Pittsburgh, PA)

Given the massive financial ramifications of a driver not making the chase, could a lawsuit be on the horizon?

Ryan McGee
  (2:18 PM)

Could be. I know there was a little noise about all that. But I wouldn't hold your breath.

Chris (Bryant)

Why are most races measured in miles, but a few in kilometers?

Ryan McGee
  (2:20 PM)

It's entirely up to a racetrack how they want to do it. As you might know, I'm always screaming about shortening races. For those tracks that are still in love with that magic number of 500 at the end of their race title, then I have long said that they should do what Phoenix does and use 500 for kilometers instead of miles.

Ryan McGee
  (2:20 PM)

You see that sometimes in IndyCar races, too.

Brian (Buffalo NY)

Did anyone ask Bowyer what his crew chief meant by "Itch It"?

Ryan McGee
  (2:21 PM)

We're going to have Bowyer on the Marty & McGee podcast tomorrow, we'll ask him.

David (Florida)

Not to bash you guys but I feel that the media plays its own part in how the cup drivers are dominating the nationwide series. If there were no interviews of cup drivers, no in-car cameras for them, and if the media didn't pay any attention to them on the racetrack or when they win, maybe the sponsors would no longer care about sponsoring them and could instead focus on the nationwide regulars, and the cup drivers would disappear.

Ryan McGee
  (2:23 PM)

So, what are we supposed to do? Ignore the guys who are leading all the laps and winning all the races? The problem is that sponsors want name guys. That's why you see Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski and even Dale Jr. jumping into their self-owned cars. Sponsors want names. That hurts, but it's a fact.

Ryan McGee
  (2:23 PM)

So, what are we supposed to do? Ignore the guys who are leading all the laps and winning all the races? The problem is that sponsors want name guys. That's why you see Kyle Busch and Brad Keselowski and even Dale Jr. jumping into their self-owned cars. Sponsors want names. That hurts, but it's a fact.

Ryan McGee
  (2:24 PM)

But as you may or may not know, I'm a huge proponent of limiting the number of races upper level guys can run. I say set it at ten.

Mark (Maryland)

Hey Ryan, any news on Furniture Row racing???? Is Jeff Burton a possible driver there??? I thought I'd change topics since you are going to get bombarded on the Bowyer spinout today.

Ryan McGee
  (2:24 PM)

That news will be coming soon. How about Mr. Montoya making the Miami-to-Denver work commute?

Jay (New York)

I think Jeff taking Clint out at Phoenix last year, pretty much knocking him out of championship contention, is a lot worse than what happened Saturday night. What do you think?

Ryan McGee
  (2:26 PM)

That was bad. In my opinion the low point of Jeff's career. But what he did only ruined it for one guy, and a guy who'd been flirting with knuckle sandwich anyway. What happened on Saturday night altered the entire season for multiple teams.

James (Ga. )

Is #2 driver on the hot seat after going winless, missing the Chase and being out classed by teammate Joey Logano?

Ryan McGee
  (2:26 PM)

No.

Saul (San Diego)

Clint what happen? Uh, everything's under control. Situation normal. Uh, we had a slight tire malfunction, but uh... everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How is Martin? Did he make the chase?

Ryan McGee
  (2:27 PM)

I post this for no reason other than it is a very solid Star Wars reference. "Boring conversation anyway..."

Frankie (Tenn)

With the "changing of the guard" in progress , who do you think will be the next driver replaced? Gordon, Biffle, Kenseth, Dale jr?

Ryan McGee
  (2:28 PM)

Of that group, Gordon.

James (Ga. )

Understand the #24 fans are upset but do you honestly believe that Gordon deserved to be in the Chase with his sub-par 2013 performance?

Ryan McGee
  (2:29 PM)

He's had a blah year, but he did come with within one point. If he'd made it in, he would've deserved it.

Justin (Alaska)

It seems like they knew going in it would be close on points, don't you think they could have come up with something less obvious? Do you think this was a knee jerk reaction? Michael's a likeable guy but he cheated early on at MWR if I remember correctly.

Ryan McGee
  (2:32 PM)

Whoever ultimately made the call, it was not well-planned. And this also goes to my earlier point about short-sightedness. You've spent all these years trying to make up for the benefit of the doubt you lost in '07 (and deservedly so). You come back from the brink of bankruptcy and become a Cup contender. And then you put yourself right back behind the eight-ball in the eyes of the public.

Scott (Charlotte)

I think we can give NASCAR a little break on restarts. Double file restarts are very hard to police. I do not think fans would like to go back to single file restarts.

Ryan McGee
  (2:32 PM)

Amen, sir.

J (NY)

I don't even care about Bowyer intentionally bringing out a caution. Honestly, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often at the end of these races. Anyways, I'm more disappointed with the restart. NASCAR has to be consistent with the restarts. It's becoming a joke.

Ryan McGee
  (2:33 PM)

I have heard this a lot over the last two days.

Clint (Big Whiskey)

James--Ga.---Deserve's got nothing to do with it..

Ryan McGee
  (2:33 PM)

Nice.

Ryan McGee
  (2:33 PM)

You guys are bringing it with the movies today.

Brian (Island of Misfit toys ( Cuba))

Love the podcasts Brother !!!!!!! Can someone wake up the Hendrick drivers for the chase please !!!!!!

Ryan McGee
  (2:34 PM)

Thanks, man. We have a good time with them. Tell your friends to download the show so they'll keep letting us do it!

Jack (Fort Wayne, Indiana)

Your response to Jeff A. states that you honestly don't think NASCAR will do anything and then you tell Dee that the totality is so massive and altered the future for so many teams and the entire postseason. I'm confused. Why did you start out by holding back on this? Why would NASCAR refrain from throwing the book at MWR and the crew chiefs and drivers who participated in this fraud? MWR has a record of cheating....

Ryan McGee
  (2:35 PM)

I haven't held back anything. I think they should drop the hammer. I just don't think they will. Certainly not to the extent that I think they should.

Cory (Geneva, IL)

I can see NASCAR doing nothing if it was circumstantial evidence, but a CC telling a driver to pit 3 times because "we need the 1 point" is pretty damning. Wouldn't the easiest thing to just put Gordon and Newman in the Chase? Is there really an issue with having 14 drivers?

Ryan McGee
  (2:36 PM)

No. But that's a little too out of the box for the boys and girls in Daytona, isn't it?

Ryan McGee
  (2:37 PM)

Listen, I think they should do everything within their power to make this right. Whether that's parking cars or taking massive amounts of cash and points or putting two more guys into the Chase. But I also think that's not really in their DNA.

Matt R. (Pittsburgh, PA)

I see two scenarios for Clint's ESPN "carwash" tomorrow: 1)He shows up feeling "relaxed" and proceeds to get progressively more "relaxed" throughout the day or 2) He finally cracks and admits to spinning on purpose after having to talk about it for the 300th time...

Ryan McGee
  (2:37 PM)

And I hope that 300th time is in the middle of the Marty & McGee podcast.

Bill S. (High Point, NC)

Who do you see that's not in the Chase winning in the last 10 races?

Ryan McGee
  (2:38 PM)

Brad K, Newman, and keep an eye on McMurray.

Ted (Conway, Ma)

So who wins the chase Ryan?

Ryan McGee
  (2:38 PM)

I want to pick Kyle Busch, but I need proof he can finally make the regular season-to-Chase transition before I buy in. And I am reluctant about the 48 right now. So give me the 20.

Mike P (Lenexa, KS)

Is there concern in the 48 team... 3 or 4 weeks in a row know of sub par finishes... he almost had another before this streak where he came back and finished 13th..

Ryan McGee
  (2:40 PM)

It's a mess right now. People keep trying to tell me that pre-Chase momentum is overrated, but I don't think I want to be the 48 right now. Then again, they are who they are, aren't they?

Jon (Florida)

I see a lot of people complaining about the Chase format but as a Gordon fan, aside from the shady Bowyer fiasco, I thought this season has been very exciting. I think the Chase makes the first 26 races of the year exciting. Although I am bummed that Gordon is out, the last 6 weeks have been nerve-wracking and exciting, which they wouldn't have been if we were in the old format. Going forward, is NASCAR thinking about tweaking the Chase format in any way?

Greg (South Bend, IN.)

Ryan, I love the chase. It adds lots of drama and what if's. Any chance NW or CWTS goes to a chase format?

Ryan McGee
  (2:41 PM)

I'm with you guys. I like the Chase. Even just from an exposure standpoint. You think if we were still on the old points system...Richmond wouldn't have even been on the sports radar this past weekend with football cranking up.

Ryan McGee
  (2:42 PM)

I don't think we'll see it in the lower divisions. There's something to be said about your top series having it's own personality.

gee davis (chgo-beverly)

What Jay from MY forgets is Bowyer and Jeff had some get togethers in that race and OTHER races all last year. Jeff's action wasn't some spur-of-the-moment action

Ryan McGee
  (2:44 PM)

Yeah, but I got his point. I just think Saturday night's setting does absolutely change the atmosphere and attitude when it comes to making calls. My father was a college football referee for decades. He'll tell you that circumstances absolutely factor in when it comes to some calls.

Steve (NY)

Think Burton will be gone from racing next year or be picked up by a small team? What about Labonte?

Ryan McGee
  (2:45 PM)

I think Burton's chances are better than Bobby's, to be honest. If I was still in the business of hiring NASCAR TV talent like I used to be I would already be standing on Burton's front porch with an NBC contract.

Vinnie (ATL)

Senya takes out Probt in Japan to win the championship. Rubens ordered to let Michael win. An engineer giving McLaren. Racing needs controversy. I love it!

Ryan McGee
  (2:47 PM)

Controversy is great. But "team orders" have always been low as far as I'm concerned. If you want to wreck on the track trying to win, fine. But taking a dive is taking a dive, no matter what the sport.

Ryan D. (Winston-Salem, NC)

Are you and David and Terry enjoying being harassed by your twitter followers for covering "that other sport?" Which side is more angry, NASCAR fans about football tweets, or football fans about NASCAR tweets?

Ryan McGee
  (2:48 PM)

Hahaha. That's how I roll this time of year. My college football followers get mad...and my NASCAR followers get mad. Fine by me. My people live in that oh so sweet spot right there in the middle.

Casper (Dc)

Does the attendance to the chat today versus other weeks show how badly the hands expect nascar to step in? Doing nothing will be the worst thing nascar can do

Ryan McGee
  (2:49 PM)

This is easily some of the highest chat traffic I've ever had for a non-Daytona 500 race. And I've been doing these for a while.

Ryan McGee
  (2:49 PM)

And yes, doing nothing would be the worst of all.

Carol (California)

Do you think Boyer will show up for your show tomorrow?

Ryan McGee
  (2:50 PM)

It's funny, I talked to Marty on the phone a little while ago and we actually discussed that. I bet he shows up, though.

Larry (MI)

In his post race Clint said the 88 made contact and that caused the spin. Clearly there was no contact, is that why Dale Jr told the media and everyone to check the onboards and radio communications?

Ryan McGee
  (2:50 PM)

Yep.

David (Florida)

I think ignoring them is exactly what you guys should do. At least during the pre and post race. During the race, make them a footnote. Let them run out front as much as they want but talk about the other guys in the race, up and coming guys in the regional series, anything else. Just so the focus isn't on the cup guys all the time. I don't see why a sponsor would want a "big name" driver if they are getting zero attention on the TV. NASCAR should press harder to work with many different sponsors to get them to focus more on the Nationwide drivers and not have everything be about money. Leave that to the cup series.

Ryan McGee
  (2:52 PM)

On paper, this sounds great. But again, it's not reality. Sponsors dictate what they dictate, and as long as there has been a Nationwide/Busch Series they have wanted to be affiliated with name guys (see: Mark Martin & Winn-Dixie). And that goes back to way before all those races were on TV.

Oscar (Fl.)

Were you disappointed in the post race behavior of T. Dillon after Canada and A. Dillon after Kansas, whining about other drivers?

Ryan McGee
  (2:53 PM)

I just say be careful there. I didn't think that Chase Elliott did anything that I haven't seen Ty do, especially when he was that young. Pretty much everyone in the ARCA series will tell you that.

Saul (San Diego)

Eagles or WA? Chargers or Texans?

Ryan McGee
  (2:53 PM)

Skins & Texans.

Mike P (Lenexa, KS)

Does NASCAR need to go to FIA rules with no team orders and punish those who blatently break that rule.

Ryan McGee
  (2:54 PM)

People need to be careful, that's for sure. Ask Nelson Piquet Jr. how all that's worked out for him. He was racing in Monaco just a few minutes ago.

kevin (florida)

Why would you want that cheater on your show to begin with?

Ryan McGee
  (2:55 PM)

He's kind of a big story right now. And he's also a legit title contender.

Branden (Pittsburgh)

Any chance Montoya goes to the 78?

Ryan McGee
  (2:55 PM)

Yes.

Laura (Manhattan Beach)

Didn't NASCAR fine and penalize Dale Junebug for intentionally spinning to bring out the caution at Bristol '04, so he wouldn't get lapped?

Ryan McGee
  (2:55 PM)

They did.

Jonesy (Delaware)

Ryan do you think it's time to give some point recognition in the chase based on point standings after 26 races. The Clint Incident may not have happened if point standings after richmond meant anything.

Ryan McGee
  (2:56 PM)

I don't mind the reset. But I do think that the regular season points leader should get a bonus as if he'd won another race.

Ryan (Virginia Beach)

Hey McGee - I haven't seen/heard many people bring up the fact that the 2 team lost 31 points to penalties this season...and then look how many more points they needed to make the chase!!

Ryan McGee
  (2:57 PM)

I talked about that last week. That was a big hole they were in, but in the end, penalty or not, that team just wasn't consistent enough to be real title contenders. Down the stretch they had a lot of chances to get over the hump, but couldn't close the deal.

Dave (Seattle)

Newman should punt Bowyer in one of the chase races, as it would be equaly as damaging to him. Thoughts?

Ryan McGee
  (2:58 PM)

Hmmmm

Saul (San Diego)

Your Top 5 for Chicagoland Speedway

Ryan McGee
  (3:00 PM)

Give me the 20, 5, 29, 18 and 99. Darkhorses: 42, 1.

Ryan McGee
  (3:01 PM)

Wow. That was one fast hour. Easily some of the busiest traffic I've ever had on a chat. Be sure to download the Marty & McGee podcast (ESPN.com/podcenter) on Tuesday. It'll be ready for downloading late afternoon. Clint Bowyer is scheduled...we'll see if he shows up!

Ryan McGee
  (3:02 PM)

Until then, tip the wait staff and enjoy the music of McDeeGee.