What's up guys? Thanks for joining the chat as always. I'm a little all over the place today, with MMA going on and Mayweather/Alvarez in town. Plus the disappointment of my three fantasy football teams, all of which I already hold zero hope for after one week and the Rockies have officially hit "let's lose all our games in the worst way possible" mode. It's good though. Good time to be a sports fan in general. In that spirit, feel free to ask me anything. Let's have some fun today.
Excluding Matt Hughes, if starting out now (2013) , do you think any of Zuffa?s Hall of Famers would be as successful / regarded as highly as they were? I think most would struggle although I?ve never really seen much of Dan Severn ? Thoughts
Chuck would have been successful and he would have still had fans with his style and personality. Randy and Tito wouldn't have been what they were, but they'd win some fights. I want to say Randy would have had to be heavyweight because speed was always going to cost him ... but the way the heavyweight division has evolved, there is speed there now so he might have struggled in both divisions. Obviously, Forrest would have been about as successful as he was in his own era ... won a fight, lost a fight, won a fight, lost a fight sort of guy.
Hey Brett, Can you any (realistic way) that Floyd loses this weekend and down the track likely ?problem? matchups? I assume a fight with Manny is not going to happen now.
I mean, none of us can say we're super confident about a Manny/Floyd fight happening at this point, but I wouldn't remove it completely from the table. Both would clearly have to win their upcoming fights. How would Floyd lose this weekend? Few scenarios ... A. The easy answer: the one punch shot. Anything can happen in combat sports. That's always a given. B. He looks old. He's 36 going on 37. I am a firm believer in one day you can show up and look very old, especially against a 23-year-old. C. The least likely, Canelo is actually a far better technical boxer than we are giving him credit for, he slows Floyd down with body shots enough to not give away later rounds which Floyd is notoriously known for dominating.
Where does a Gustafsson win over Jones rank among biggest upsets in title fights?
According to Vegas, Jones is a 7-to-1 favorite in this fight. I don't know if I see it quite that lopsided, but after living in Vegas for awhile, I've learned you typically don't doubt Vegas oddsmakers. I think just speaking odds-wise, it would be higher than Edgar over Penn, but lower than Serra over GSP. In my mind, Edgar over Penn at that moment in time was a bigger upset than if Gus were to down Jones.
In honor of the wrestling news, do you think Anderson Silva, GSP, JBJ, and other UFC elite would perform well under wrestling rules?
Are you just asking how would they do like in a wrestling tournament? Against other wrestlers? Probably not good, is my guess.
Wassup brah! (Check out my American) Three questions this week brah. 1. Why the hell is Weidman ranked above Cain in your P4P rankings?? 2. Are you coming to the UK show later this year? 3. When did you start hosting that MTV program Catfish?? Don't lie its clearly you brah!!!
I appreciate the effort, but from now on two brahs or less per post please. I rank Weidman above Cain because he beat the man, man. He beat the No. 1 fighter in the world and I think he has a damn good chance to do it again. And because I think soooo highly of Anderson Silva, any fighter who I think can potentially beat him twice, I have to rank real high. 2. No. 3. That guy is shrimpy, I have muscles for days on that guy.
With Boxing having a SUPERFIGHT on Saturday, does that put any pressure on the UFC to make a superfight considering they bashed boxing for not making those type of fights?
I don't think so. It puts pressure on them I guess to perform and put on good fights in general, but not necessarily a super fight. I don't think anyone is complaining about GSP/Hendricks or Silva/Weidman rematch.
So Reems fighting Frank Mir? Both are on 2 fight skids?how do you see the fight going and will the loser be cut?
Gotta think the loser will be cut, or in Mir's case, retire. I honestly wouldn't be SHOCKED if Reem were to stay in the UFC even with a loss, but it certainly wouldn't look good. He's paid a lot of money and at that point, even though I still think people would be intrigued by him, man, he will have fallen so far that yeah, I think he does get cut. How do I see it playing out? Overeem KO's Mir within 2:30 of the first round.
Hi Brett, How do you see Glover matching up to Bones and Gus and who should he fight next? I?d like to see him fight Vitor but I?m pretty sure that won?t happen. Thoughts?
It sounds pretty solid he'll get the Jones/Gus winner as long as there are no injury delays. Jones/Gus is in a week so no need to book Glover to something else in the meantime. I think he's an intriguing matchup for Jones and I think you can almost slightly compare it to GSP/Hendricks. Glover has good takedown defense, he comes straight forward, he's unafraid to get hit, great chin. He'll take a punch to give a punch, as well Gustafsson in next week's fight against Jones. I would pick Jones to win the fight but it's a fight I'm still interested in. Don't necessarily see it as a blowout.
Any word on what's next for Josh Thomson?
I would think Rafael dos Anjos makes a ton of sense, but no official word.
Dont mean to ask 2 stupid questions but why were there 3 UFC events close together (Milwalkee, Brazil and Boston). I enjoyed Milwalkee and parts of Boston and Brazil but it was almost too much. How did the 3 rate and will they continue doing events so close together?
Throw Indy in there as well. They have contractual obligations to Fox. There will be instances where fights run together like this, yeah. I think the Brazil card was basically used as a run-up to The Ultimate Fighter. Milwaukee was just your standard PPV. I actually agree though, it felt like a little much this month.
Seems like a tall order (no pun intended), but what does Gustafsson have to do to win the fight?
Defend the takedown first and foremost. I could be wrong, but when I look at this matchup, I think Jones looks to take Gus down early and test his grappling improvement. If Gus stays on his feet, pressure Jones, be aggressive, force him to fight backwards, take away his kicks, deal with the inside elbows instead. If he goes inside it gives Jones an opportunity to take him down but if he thinks he's going to win an outside, standup fight ... I don't see it.
Whats your take on Texiera after last week? Stock up or down? And man, Souza looks like he has bad intentions in there! I like him. Excited to see him paired up w/ some of the top guys
Teixeira's stock stays the same for me. He's not a perfect fighter, but he has one undeniable quality in that he can take a meaaaan bunch and he has maybe the best flash knockout power in that division. So, in terms of fighting Jones ... I don't think anyone is going to completely "out-fight" Jones, so maybe the guy who beats him is a guy who can zombie through offense and land that one knockout punch to Jones' chin. You know what I mean?
Ever just started immediately posting boxing questions in an MMA chatroom before?
I post most boxing questions I get, unless they're repetitive. I don't get a ton of them.
Don't tell you started david wilson on your fantasy team too
And it doesn't look like my late "steals" in Montee Ball and Chris Ivory are going to work out.
Why in the world would they pair Overeem with Mir? no disrespect to Barnett or his striking ability, but Overeem is worlds ahead of Josh when it comes to striking and Barnett gave Mir the business. I get it if the fight hits the ground but in all honesty I only see this fight ending in only way and that's Frank Mir getting beaten to a pulp and retiring. The boy gets hit a lot and Overeem gonna clean his clock. what you think??
Yes and ... yes.
This is as close to win-win though for UFC as it gets in my opinion in regard to Overeem. They give him a shot at a sacrificial lamb in Mir. Somebody he should run through and Mir, even though he's not fighting like it anymore, is still a big name. So in a way, it gets Overeem back on track. If, somehow, Mir pulls it off, it feels huge because it's such an upset and it gives Mir one last shot at old glory. I wonder if Mir is willing to retire on a loss or if he'll beg UFC for one more fight after Overeem if he loses.
Regarding the hall of famers... the LHW division is pretty weak right now. I'd think Randy & Chuck could hold their own against most (Bones excluded but as of now no one holds their own against him)
Chuck way more than Randy. Randy was never a great athlete but he was extremely, extremely smart and his wrestling was typically better than his opponent's. In this light heavyweight class right now, today, I think Bader beats Randy in his prime. At least he's favored. Phil Davis beats him. Glover, Gus, Rashad ... all beat him. Wrestling was always Randy's savior and today's MMA fighter is better at defensive wrestling than they were years ago.
Brett, that was a fun fight between Tex and Bader (who fought dumb... again) but if anybody, and I mean ANYBODY thinks Tex has a chance against Jones those people need to be thrown in an insane asylum for a minimum of 18 years!
I think you posted this question before I gave my Glover speech. Did what I say change your mind at all? (And again, I'm not picking Glover in the fight, just making a case for him).
Seems like the focus on JBJ and Gus is on Bones finally having to deal with someone his own size. That's true, but his agility, speed, and overall athleticism are a notch above Gus. So instead of agile/speed with no size (like Machida), we're just getting size without elite speed/agility. To me, Cain will be the real test -- bummer we have to wait on that.
For sure. The UFC is completely latched onto the idea of Gustafsson's size in order to sell this fight. I get it, I'm not surprised by it. But if Gustafsson hasn't developed his game since the last time we saw him, yeah, that size is only going to do so much for him.
Do you think MMA as a whole has been diluted since the Zuffa big network deal? I find myself being more and more apathetic since the UFC left Spike. Maybe I'm just growing up, or maybe the product is getting worse?
I don't think what you're talking about has to do with the move from Spike to Fox ... I think it has to do with just the sport itself. In many ways, the growth has been outstanding for the sport. No doubt about it. In other ways, it's lost the "big" fight feel. Hopefully we'll see that come back with the heavyweight trilogy, GSP/Hendricks, and Weidman/Silva rematch this year, but it used to be, a grudge match between Tito and Chuck, felt like it captured everyone's attention, like boxing does. Now it's consistently putting on better shows, but none of them feel like "events" they just feel like another fight in most cases unless you're a hardcore fan.
Who has the best chance to break silva championship defense record dj gsp bones or aldo or do they all move up in weight before then except gsp who we think loses
You have to give the edge to GSP because he only needs, what? Two more wins to tie and three to break it. Jones will likely move up in weight before then because he's running out of guys to challenge him. Aldo has a long way to go and I don't see him cutting to 145 for the next three years of his career.
Souza to 205?! whats that all about?
Not a fan. He won't fight Anderson.
Brett- how do you see Barao and Wineland playing out?
Barao should dominate. Wineland is a great boxer but he's a counter puncher. Barao isn't all that overly aggressive. He'll stay on the outside and kick out Wineland's legs, eventually take him down, submit him via RNC late in the second round. Spoiler alert.
What are your thoughts on the Bellator - Veah non-injury cover-up?
The bad press for Bellator has become truly astounding. Seems like they spend as much time defending themselves as they do promoting fights. Now they're publishing fighters' medical records? I mean, at some point it doesn't matter who's right, all that matters is your entire freaking roster is disgruntled basically. So, regardless of specific cases, you have the reputation of being shady.
Fantasy cap on for a minute: Where do Pat Curran and Patricio 'Pitbull' stack up in the UFC featherweight division? Especially seeing as Patricio is about to take on a former top 10 145er in Diego Nunes.
I don't see any Bellator featherweight upsetting Curran, including Pitbull. Both are legitimate Top 10 guys though, no question. Featherweight's version of Chandler/Alvarez.
If Travis Browne is waiting for a fight, what are the odds the UFC offers him Roy Nelson?
Nelson has Cormier already.
Why do people act like Pettis Dominated Bendo, Yes it was a conclusive finish in the first round, But it came in the last 30 seconds of the round and Benson was winning that round pretty obviously up until then, and even when he got submitted it was from a dominant position, and benson is supposed to be really good vs subs, it just seemed like a kinda flukey way to win to me, it kind of reminds me of when anderson silva was being dominated for 5 rounds by chael sonnen and then in the last 30 seconds from the bottom position managed to get the triangle sub off
I would have to disagree. Ben was not winning the first round. He wanted to take Pettis down and couldn't do it. Pettis landed those three body kicks which clearly hurt Ben and then he landed a knee when Ben tried to shoot a double leg on him. Then ... Ben finally is able to get him down off that weird cartwheel kick and gets submitted immediately? That's a dominant win, even if it only lasted 4 minutes.
I know I'm a little ahead, but looking at UFC 166, do you think Charles Olivera got a raw deal? He was just involved in arguably the greatest fight of the year vs Frankie Edgar at 162 and now he's only on the Prelims on Facebook?
I'm surprised by the move because you would think the UFC would want to keep the Oliveira momentum going, you know? He lost, but he was involved in an awesome fight against one of the best, most popular guys in the division. Doesn't make sense to bury him. That said, is it a raw deal for him per se? Not particularly, he's just in a spot where he needs a win and he should get one against Larsen.
Who win gold first, Nurmagomedov or my boy Rory MacDiesle??
I have never heard him called that before but Rory.
Brett, What are your thoughts on Ben Askren. He seems to be one-dimensional to me (wrestling) although very good at it. How do you think he would match up against a GSP? Thanks
I think GSP would DOMINATE him. Like, make him look silly. If the UFC signs him, GSP isn't the fight. You have to test him against some other guys. I've said on this chat before, nothing against Ben, but I think that one-dimensional style won't work against the Top 5-6-7 in the division. It will win him fights, but never a title.
Brett, I'm starting to think Jacare is a pretty good fighter. I can't believe he lost to Luke Rockhold and guess what would happen if they fought again. Jacare would KO Luke.
Styles make fights man. In that fight, Luke's kickboxing negated Jacare's boxing (which has improved since then, I'll admit that) and Luke's athleticism makes him soooo difficult to take down. If they fought again, I'd still favor Luke believe it or not.
Not news.....but that UFC 167 card is looking better all the time. Great addition of Mir/Overeem. Kudos to them for getting right back into the ring. Who do you like in that fight?
I've already said I love Overeem but I'll add that, really? Does everyone think that's a great addition to 167? I think 167 is a stacked card but in terms of fights I'm looking forward to, Overeem/Mir isn't real high on my list, personally. It's not a bad addition, but I'm not counting down the days to it.
Pettis is now king of the toughest divisions in the UFC. DO you see Grant giving him trouble or do you see Pettis reigning for a few fights. Pettis seems also like a more marketable guy then Bendo.
I think Grant gives Pettis a tough fight. Capable of hurting him and good at cutting off the cage. Knows how to work inside and land punches on the move instead of just trying to stalk a guy down. Well-rounded and durable. I like that fight.
What do you anticipate the pre-fight antics to be like for Sonnen-Evans? Think these guys will play nasty to hype the fight, or be respectful because they work together as analysts?
They'll poke at one another but it won't get nasty. For example, I wouldn't think Rashad will go the route of playing up TRT or Chael's fraud conviction, that kind of stuff.
Also regarding the Hall of Famers. Isn't Glover just a more well-rounded version of Chuck? He's got the same type of power, but is otherwise relatively stiff with his striking. But Glover has about equal wrestling (just uses it more), and a far better submission game.
Not an awful comparison. Glover has more submission skills than Chuck did, better gas tank. Chuck was more aggressive and actually, I don't really feel like Chuck got hit as much as Glover when he was in his prime. That changed of course as he got older.
Shogun vs. Te Huna. If Shogun loses, does he FINALLY retire?
He will have firmly entered the realm of "what is left to prove" if he loses to Te Huna. Which, by the way, my early reaction to that is that it's a bad stylistic matchup for Shogun.
Barao is going to pretty much run roughshod over Wineland next weekend, right? If Wineland couldn't beat Faber (a guy Barao dominated), how can this be a competitive fight?
Barao looked very human against Michael McDonald in his last fight and he's coming off an injury, so you can grasp at those straws if you want but I agree, Wineland can't beat him.
I know they have said they won't fight and I understand their reasoning, but who would you pick to win a fight between Broner vs Mayweather, within the next 2 years due to Floyd's age?
Tough to say in next two years, Broner should conceivably continue to improve and by that time, Floyd is 38. If they fought next year, I would pick Floyd for sure.
Thoughts on last week's TUF premiere?
Meh. It was okay. The premiere of a TUF season can be a hard sell in general just because, unless the fights are terrific, you're asking people to spend two hours basically watching fights or highlights of fighters they've never seen before. I haven't watched the second episode yet (they send it to media members for a pre-screen) but I've heard good things and I like Miesha and Ronda as coaches.
Brett, Im having my Bachelor Party this weekend and wanting to lay some coin on the Money-Canelo fight. Floyd's odds too high, or stick with Money?
Definitely, definitely stick with money. I tweeted yesterday I actually think you're getting great odds on Floyd, which never happens.
Who does Souza fight next, the man is a beast out there?
I'd like to see him fight winner of Bisping/Munoz. I would not like to see him fight at 205. In a perfect world, he'd be fighting Vitor Belfort in January, in the U.S.
I think it's highly unlikely that either Gus or Glover can dethrone Jones, but a Glover/Gus fight would be a sick fight. It's too bad they'll have to wait for them both to lose before they can make it happen. Any update on Dan Hardy's health?
Couldn't agree more on Gus/Glover. I've campaigned for that fight on this chat before. Nothing really to report on Hardy. I was told he got a second opinion and it confirmed what the first said. He basically is unaffected by this Wolf Heart thing, but the UFC doesn't want to book him a fight while it exists for liability reasons. The only way to fix it is surgery, and Dan refuses to do that and I can't blame him. He was hoping he'd find a doctor who would give him a different opinion and he could talk the UFC into signing him a fight, he's still training in Vegas.
Eh, all you said about Tex is he has a punchers chance. But Jones won't let him connect. By the 2nd round Tex will be exhausted and Jones will finish him with knees soon after. Then we'll start talking about Machida again.
You guys can talk about Jones/Machida if you want. That ain't me.
Out of the fighters Jones has already gone through, which one, if given a rematch, would give him the most trouble? I'm personally torn between Machida's unique style and the only man to go 5 rounds with him, Evans.
SMH. I shouldn't have posted this question immediately after posting what I just said about Machida, but you would have to go with Machida. Evans couldn't do anything against Jones and I don't think anything would change in a rematch. But Machida doesn't deserve another shot at Jones at all. If he beats Gus and Glover, he's going to heavyweight, unless Phil starts finishing fights left and right.
Your boy Pettis showed his stuff. HOWEVER I did not like him calling for Aldo right after that. New Rule, you have to defend your title at least twice before you start calling for super fights. Your thoughts?
I can adopt that rule, unless the fighter was previously scheduled to fight that opponent and it fell through due to injury. You can understand why, after training for him and promoting a fight with him, Pettis wants to actually fight him.
What does a win for Erick Silva vs. Dong Hyung Kim do for him? Is he lurking just outside Top 10 as he stands now?
No doubt about it. I've actually voted for him in Top 10 before ... I think Matt Brown and Robbie Lawler's success have kicked him out of my Top 10 rankings but I'm real high on Silva.
Weidman got some big props from Okamoto....... Are you still picking Silva in the rematch? Remember, Silva has to pick his poison with Weidman.......
I believe I'm picking Silva in the rematch, yes.
What do you think the UFC does with Benson after his loss to Pettis? Give him somebody like the winner of melendez-sanchez or give him closer to a fringe top-10 guy?
I'm surprised I've seen so many people on Twitter and even in this chat mention Benson/Melendez rematch. It was a terrific fight but in my mind, there is no way the UFC books that again. No way. Too many options at 155 for both guys. I think Ben will get a non-Top 10 guy in his next fight.
Wow, tons of love for Overeem in this chat. It's as if none of us watched his past two fights. Bet the house on Overeem at your own risk. No chin, no gas tank, questionable heart.
There are a couple rules one should always follow when betting MMA ... one of them is, never, NEVER, put money on a guy with no gas tank. So no, don't bet Overeem. My guess is he'll be something crazy like a -350 favorite anyway.
Dana has said that Glover gets the next title shot, but if bones loses don't you think he's earned an immediate rematch? I know what happened with bendo but bones is bones
True. If Jones loses and it's a compelling fight ... sorry Glover.
I think GSP--moreso than other champs--has faced more credible threats to his crown. Now we have Hendricks. I think GSP will have a similar performance/win as has been his custom. Hendricks tends to KO somewhat less-versatile fighters. Kampmann wanted to bang and Fitch wanted to grapple. Well-rounded fighters (Condit, Koscheck) forced him to grind out a close decision. I think GSP and his athleticism will force a similar fight with Hendricks. Thoughts?
In no way do I think GSP is an "easy" fight for Hendricks. Of course not. I have GSP ranked as the No. 3 fighter in the world ... the thing I look at in this fight though is that I don't think GSP can really finish Johny. It's possible of course, but unlikely. I think over the course of a 25 minute fight, Johny will land the left on GSP and when that happens, GSP will be hurt and need a takedown and against a NCAA Division I champion wrestler, he won't be able to secure it when he needs to.
If Rashad loses, does he get prelim status. He's a 'name' but hasn't put on a watchable fight, since he lost to Machida.
No. He'll main card for life at this point.
If you're Dominick Cruz, do you want a tune-up fight before your step in there with Renan?
Nope. I got the real belt, not that fake thing around your waste. Come take it from me Renan.
How is the environment in Vegas compared to Ricky Hatton-FMM?
Hatton always brought the drunk British fans. So it's less loud. This feels like a major, massive event though. No question.
I think people might be underestimating Ben Askren's striking. He is training with Duke Roufus. He just hasn't had to use it. You can also tell he was instrumental in getting Pettis ready for Henderson.
You can only go off what you've seen and any time Askren has thrown a strike in a fight, it's looked stiff and awkward to me.
I know McGregor's on the sideline right now, but do you think he challenges Aldo some time at the end of next year or early 2015 or is he still moving up he ladder at that point?
His title shot is going to come quicker than usual of course because of the interest in him. He could easily fight for the belt in 2014 as long as he keeps winning. Easy.
Any good parlays out there for Bones/Gustaffson card?
All the lines aren't out yet ... As of right now, I'd probably just hit that Mitrione -125 single.
Hey Brett, Thanks for the chat as always. Im curious about MMA fighters outside the cage. Is there much socializing going on? We see LeBron hanging with other ballers/athletes, but do MMA guys tend to not consort with the "enemy" too much?
I guess it's like any other sport. When they're around one another, they talk to one another. When they're not, they live their own lives. You see a lot of them come into contact with one another through things like sponsorship promotions.
Hey Brett how do you see the sonnen/evans fight playing out
No way Sonnen can hold Evans down and if he does ... wow ... what a sad day. I will be legitimately sad if that happens. Hopefully, Rashad comes to play, defends the takedowns and even though I could see Chael's awkwardness leading to him landing a few punches, Chael doesn't have a ton of power, especially relative to 205 pound division and Rashad should beat him on the feet. If the Rashad that fought Tito Ortiz shows up, he should finish Chael within two rounds I think.
Is it just me or would Ben Askren get dominated by any top 10 UFC WW? I think Dana should sign this guy and show that many Bellator fighters wouldn't even stand a chance in the UFC...ahem Hector Lombard
I think he is interested in signing him, we'll see what Bellator's response is when they see the contract.
How many fight does Ben Henderson have to win before getting a title shot again? 3? Sounds right. FYI, I already hate my fantasy team.
Three sounds about right and my condolences. I don't know what I was thinking two weeks ago when I drafted.
Hate the Dodgers. Does Melendez get another title shot with a dominant performance over Sanchez?
Could be. A win over Sanchez at the point in his career ... not really a quality win you would think takes you to a title shot, but Melendez is marketable and his fight with Ben could have gone either way. I would have to say yes to that one. If Aldo decided to come up though, obviously he'd pass Melendez.
Prime Penn at 155 vs. Pettis..who's your pick?
Great question. Heart says Penn, head says Pettis.
If Cain gets past JDS, who is there for him? Yea, Werdum, but he'd have been on the shelf awhile by the time that happens right?
Yeah, but that's what next right now. I kinda always thought Werdum should have been booked in the meantime but hey, he's waited this long. What's another month? Barnett becomes an interesting option immediately, but .... I think that has a lot to do with the open landscape at heavyweight. Travis Browne wants in, but he needs another big win.
What was McGregor doing calling out Diego Sanchez and everyone in his division....drunk or getting ahead of himself?
Any word for Vegas favorite for the Sonnen/Evans fight? Sonnen looked good against Shogun and I'm thinking he can pull off a win against Evans...thoughts?
Evans will for sure be the favorite ... I would guess .... Evans -145.
Very possibly higher.
Alright guys we'll wrap it there. ESPN boxing page is doing some real cool stuff this week for Mayweather. Basically an ongoing live chat, live update, video/photo/questions/comments thing. I'll be contributing to that and then live blogging the fights on Saturday. Check in to those if you're a boxing fan and hit me on Twitter any time as always, @bokamotoESPN. Enjoy the rest of your week.