Get some! It's the Tuesday Boxing Chat. This is what we do. We can talk about whatever is on your mind in the sport of boxing and beyond. The #TBC pound-for-pound Top 10 will also be updated at the end of the chat so bring your 'A' game, as always. Let's get right to it. The floor is yours ...
Brian, Since Money calls his own shots why not challenge Sergio to a catchweight Middleweight Fight? Because the Khan fight is a complete joke!
Stop making so much sense!
Hello Brian! T.G.F.T.! Call me crazy but I think Bradley will win the rematch against Pac. What say you?
In my mind, I think enough has changed in two years where this fight is, at worst, a pick 'em. But I'm on your side where if forced to pick at this very second, I favor Bradley. I never thought we would have been in this spot two years ago.
Brian! you dropped the ball last week! The best boxer \hip-hop artist was Willie D of The Geto Boys. Dude had 4 pro fights and knocked out Melle Mel to win a rap boxer contest.
Haha. That's a tremendous get out of you X-Man. I can honestly say I didn't know that. But it's pretty cool. Those were my guys in 8th grade. I listened to the "We Can't Be Stopped" tape until it actually broke. That was a pretty gnarly album cover, if I recall correctly, as well.
Get me out of here!
That's funny. It was a true story folks. Saturday night. Mulvaney, Campbell, Seckbach and Jennings, with three of the four coming from separate directions, all stuffed into a broken and stuck elevator. Luckily Jennings was able to peel two doors open with his bare hands as the rest of us watched in amazement.
Do you think mayweather and manny will ever fight. And who do you think will win?
Stop the madness!
BC, is David Price ...BACK?? hahaha, sorry to say but he just looked very mediocre to me, he still struggled fighting on the inside and I mean his opponent had 9 losses and looked to go down from a 1-2 jab that did not look very powerful, I definitely still need to see a lot more before I can say he is back to being a contender again.
This guy Jules. I have still yet to see the footage of his comeback win, but I was happy to see it nonetheless. Look, he's probably never going to the guy I thought he was just a year ago. I wasn't just drinking the "David Price is the only heavy who will one day push Wlad into deep waters" juice, I was soaking my retainer in it and injecting it like a Miguel Tejada B-12 shot. I don't think we will end up seeing him ever win a title, but if he can at least become competent, he's an interesting fighter. Call me crazy, but I still long for Price-Fury.
B, stop hiding behind promoters, and call Dan out. Make the chat happen on PPV for 100 bucks
Not unless he is willing to take the test. Bottom line.
Is mayweather still in his prime? he just looks amazing everytime up and its hard to say
It is amazing. After his victory over Cotto, in which he endured as much or more damage than in any other fight, it was only natural to believe this was the beginning of a slow fade. But he looked in 2013 like he had taken 10 years off.
Soup! Let's do this... on this day in 1974, the world was treated to Ali-Frazier II (date confirmed on BoxRec this week)
Look at this guy KT, after slipping two spots in the #TBC P4P following last week's debacle, getting right back on track. Love the history and the passion.
Jermell Charlo really looked to be the total package in his dismantling of Rosado on Saturday Night. With one or possibly both Charlo's emerging as potential stars do you see Schaefer looking for creative ways to avoid matching them getting matched with Canelo anytime soon?
Interesting though, Brent. And he did look good against a respectable opponent. It was the good step forward in maybe being able to distinguish between the two brothers. For a while I wasn't convinced there wasn't only one Charlo, but he was just staying very active under two names.
Last year was great for boxing. I think this year may be a little blah. Canelo v Angulo? May v Khan (maybe)? Wake me up when the Tecate girls come on. What you think?
I actually think because of how overachieving last year was and because things regarding the Cold War don't appear set to improve at all, it's only natural for this year to be somewhat of a letdown in the end. Last year was just something special. Every week there was a big fight, it seemed, and even the smaller level ones were playing out in a "best-case scenario" result with many brawls, upsets, etc. Boxing always finds a way to shoot itself in the foot so I'm leery we see such a perfect year again.
BC in the place to be! If GGG plows through Adama as expected, who do you think his next viable opponents could be? I've heard Kirkland's name bandied about which would make for a storm of a fight. I think everyone's waiting for the Kazakh to finally get a marquee opponent
The talk has centered around it either being Kirkland or Daniel Geale for April, mostly likely in NYC. As much as the Kirkland fight would be a fun buildup and an absolutely wild 90 seconds of action, I think GGG needs to step up and beat an established middleweight and ex-titleholder like Geale to take that next step forward in truly establishing himself. We know he is fun as heck. We know he has REAL power. But the road to actually getting a Sergio Martinez fight should go through a few proven guys at 160. He deserves the opportunity to prove himself.
Oh man, Kovalev-Stevenson in November? Definitely some shadow boxing going on right now.
Remember in ECW when the Sandman would take the Kendo stick to his forehead until he was bleeding before the match even started? That was me yesterday with my computer screen.
Broski ya think dinamita is gonna call it a career now that Bradley is off the table??
It's interesting to see what JMM will do, for sure. The only real legitimate big-name fight out there for him with both Bradley and Pacquiao choosing to face each other (mixed with Marquez not wanting a 5th Manny fight right now) is against Provodnikov. We know Ruslan wants the fight bad and last night went to Twitter to talk about it. But there's probably not enough at stake to make it worth it for Marquez to take on an animal like that at his age. I still believe, because of his style, that Provodnikov's time at his very prime will be short. But right now, he comes into that ring to eat another man's soul.
How awesome was the I WILL KRUSH HIM shirt?
Kovalev is the man. Bottom line. I love that he keeps showing up in the crowd at all of these HBO shows. He his showing himself as a fun personality to match his outrageously entertaining style.
Brian, did Jennings mention anybody in particular in terms of who he's looking to fight next?
No specific names. But while he was in the middle of peeling open the locked elevator doors, I had submitted my interest in seeing him take on Tyson Fury. He paused what he was doing, turned his head toward me, and said, "Easy money." So, there's that.
Kovalev just seems like a really likeable dude..until you hit by him at least.
Exactly. Great dude. He also might be the single most dangerous puncher in the entire sport right now. Think about that for a second. I think it's him.
If Kirkland wants a belt, why not go ahead and decapitate Andrade? That kid is begging to get KOd. True story, in his third pro fight, against Tommy Joseph, Andrade landed a perfect right hand that literally made Tommy smile. A few minutes later, the ref stepped in and stopped it due to slapping punches that were hitting elbows. Andrade is going to get devastatingly KOd one day.
My man S.O.V. Despite your non-glowing recommendation of Andrade's ability or punching power, I actually really like the idea of an Andrade-Kirkland fight. It's a very interesting style matchup with Andrade's length and big jab versus Kirkland's killer instinct.
Who has it worse because of the Cold War; Peter Quillin or Ruslan Provodnikov as neither guy seems to be able to land a big fight.
Ruslan is not really in a bad place at all, if you think about it. He is with an independent promoter, yet is in a spot right now where HBO has some options on him. He has already shined in big-fight opportunities against Bradley and Alvarado and as far as his future, he could end up seeing himself in 2014 against two from this list: Marquez, Bradley, Pacquiao and Rios. That's not bad.
I'm sorry. Pac completely dominated Bradley in one of the worst robberies I've ever seen. I'm really not interested in this rematch.
Yeah, I don't really get the negativity here towards this matchup. I'm going to get all GGG on you, Will, and be like, "You're serious?" A lot has changed in two years and this is a much closer fight. So much to like about this matchup. This is a GREAT fight, Brah.
M. Garcia vs Gamboa? who is the underdog
Gamboa all the way. He has a lot of convincing to do that he is anywhere close to the same guy from 2011.
Pacquiao's opponent for the fall if he get past bradley?
If Manny wins decisively, you would think a fifth fight with Marquez would be his priority. I know JMM has been open in not wanting it, but things change, especially when you sweeten up a deal. That fight, to me, makes too much sense. But bigger picture, this is where things get pretty dicey for Manny if he keeps winning. I think Saturday's Mikey Garcia fight slowed a bit of the talk that he would be the right guy for Manny in the near future in a big showdown. Unless Provodnikov decides to take the money and switch trainers for one fight -- an idea he hasn't openly embraced last time I checked -- the cupboard is thin.
Would you rate Mike Tyson as one of the ten greatest heavyweights of all time?
I would not.
Hi, I'm Auto-Refresh, have we met?
Are we having that problem again?
Do you think Bradley made a mistake signing an extension considering the lack of Welterweights in the TR/HBO stable?
That is the most interesting part of this whole thing, if you ask me. Reading the comments from Top Rank's Todd duBoef in Dan Rafael's story on the fight being signed, it pretty much appears this rematch with Pacquiao was only possible for Bradley if he extended his deal. Clearly, there are plenty more options for big-name fights on the Golden Boy side if his intention had been to switch sides when his contract was up this year. That list also includes, of course, a potential shot at Floyd Mayweather Jr. But you have to assume there was a financial element which made this the right decision for Tim. And, along with getting the big-money rematch with Pacquiao, there are still high-profile rematch options with Marquez and Provodnikov whether he wins or loses.
Let's also not forget we all criticized Bradley when he turned down the big money being offered to him to face Amir Khan when they were the top two fighters at 140. He, instead, signed with Top Rank and chased what some thought at the time was an unlikely shot at getting a Pacquiao fight. Well, he got it, and it turned out to be a major turning point in his career. Tim's a smart guy so I'm sure he made the right move for him and his family.
If Bradley was smart he would've taken the Cotto route and simply been a free agent, making fights with both sides.
I don't think that's as easy an option as people think. Cotto, altogether, is a different entity. He is a brand name in the sport. You can't really compare the two. Although it's funny you bring both of their names up in the same sentence. I always wondered if down the road we could see the two of them in some type of catchweight fight.
Do you know the status on Pacquiao's Top Rank contract?
It is due to expire at the end of the year, I believe. I think he stays put.
Oscar De La Hoya has, at least superficially on his twitter account, shown interest in extending the olive branch to put an end to the cold war. Do you think he is sincere or is it attempt to gain the favor of fans and deflect blame to TR when fans complain about fights that aren't being made?
I think both parties would only want the Cold War to end if it meant their specific promotion became, far and away, the undisputed dominant force in the sport. The rest is just talk.
one TR welterweight on the rise is Verdejo! BC, how soon can we expect to see him in huge fights? He seems to have the goods!
That guy is THE GOODS, Brah. It's hard not to want to empty the bank account and buy stock on this guy. It's still early, though, no question. But seeing him in person for a second time on Saturday and seeing another destructive knockout only gets you more excited to see him, when he's ready, step up to the highest level. He has only been a pro for 14 months, so give him time. But he is going to be a huge draw down the line.
BC, how delusional is Broner to think that since he took loss the world felt like Mayweather took a loss, I would be utterly insulted if I was Mayweather, that his name keeps coming out of Broner's mouth?
Jules, that interview was typical Broner. A good mix of delusion, arrogance and humor. You have to take it with a grain of salt.
Felix Verdejo is a lightweight.
Yes, thank you for correcting James (Baltimore)'s post. He will be a welterweight one day, however.
You've just gone and done it, BC. Bradley-Cotto. Sign me up. If anyone says they know who wins this fight, they're just pretending.
I would be heavily intrigued by this one. The exact weight it would need to be at would be the deciding factor, though. We know Cotto doesn't like cutting below 154 anymore for any reason.
Bradley needed to extend his contract with TR enable to get a career high purse garantee of 6 million for fighting Manny a 2nd time, to me his next 2-3 fights seem very predictable: rematches against Marquez and Ruslan, BC do you see him fighting someone else in the next 2 years not named (Marquez/Ruslan)? (This assuming he beats Manny else a trilogy with Manny goes to the top of the list)
That's the same issue that both he and Pacquiao will have (with Manny enduring it a bit earlier) once we get through the first few months of 2015. Top Rank will need to hope by then that they have created a new set of opponents either from smaller weight classes or from the outside.
Soup, what, besides a bag full of cash, could the Bobfather offer Manny reallistically in the ring? He is out of opponents. So is MM.
He is heading to a point where he is out of opponents, yes. I just think Manny has a serious amount of loyalty to Top Rank and I just couldn't see him jumping ship. I mean, you can't even get PacMan to say in an interview who he would like to fight next. This is just my opinion.
Brian, serious question: Would it be better for boxing if one promotional company controlled the sport?
In many ways, yes. Look at the UFC. Or the NFL. Or NBA. You get the picture?
I would hate life if boxing even started to resemble the UFC
There's obviously a whole set of other potential issues with only one entity being in control in any sport, but to me the plusses far outweigh the minuses. Imagine having a centralized governing body. A true and fair rankings system where the best are forced to fight the best. Real identified champions in each weight class. Crazy thoughts, right? I'm done with the wild west.
I'm throwing phone-booth uppercuts just thinking of Bradley-Cotto. It's very makeable, too.
Look at this guy Gerardo getting all "Rico Suave" over this fight.
People are forgetting HBO in this equation. Why would Bradley leave HBO where he is one of their main attractions to go across the street where the dates are much more limited.
That's a big point, Roy. Even though the options for big-name opponents are much more limited on the HBO/TR side, Tim has worked himself into being a featured player. That means something. If he went over to the other side of the street and lost a fight or two, suddenly he's just another name in a deep, deep pool of guys from 140-154.
You know who must be excited to hear Pac-Bradley II is official? Pacquiao's mom! Remember that clip of her completely freaking out on Filipino TV after the robbery in the first fight? That was hysterical.
I'd love to see her and Ruslan's mom hang out and watch a fight together.
Brian, I know you love Mikey Garcia and I too am very high on him and have been for a few years now. But this talk of him going to welter needs to stop. He too small. I used to think 140 was going to be his ceiling, but now I am not so sure. 135 seems like his best fit from a physical standpoint.
I think it is something that, inevitably, was going to happen anyway. But, I agree with you that it all feels too rushed right now. Not only does Mikey not have the personality or really the fighting style to show a ton of PPV potential as a brand, I would be leery rushing him too quickly until he can establish both punching power and a chin at each stop up the weight class chain. I LOVE all the things he does well, but I just don't see him two fights from now as a viable welterweight against the very elite. Not yet. He has more potential than just about anyone else, but we need to slow it a bit. He also is a fighter who more and more is looking like he needs to be matched with aggressive types to bring out his more marketable sides.
Soup, doesn't Chavez seem way more dedicated for the rematch with Vera? If he is, I think the ref will step in and save Vera.
How dare you suggest something shady would happen under the watch of the Texas Athletic Commission.
Hey B have to say been working Tuesdays have been able to chat but love this TBC pound for pound thing, makes me want to start working weekends again and take Tuesday off.
Haha, thanks Grigor. It has certainly raised the stakes. It's survival of the fittest now and people are bringing their best stuff.
Manny and Money are never out of opponents so long as everyone keeps ordering their fights. All they see is your purchase not your complaints in youtube comments sections.
In some ways you are right. But in Manny's case, as things look right now, you can't argue that the cupboard is getting mighty, mighty thin for even opponents to produce 500K buys.
with White entering the boxing world by creating a boxing reality show could this be a sign that Dana White will have his own boxing promotions one of this days?
It has been sort of that "thing" off in the distance that has only been talked about here and there. What if someone with a ton of money and the right game plan -- someone like White and his UFC brethren -- decided to make a run at creating an exclusive promotion that acted like its own league. In a sense, Golden Boy (with their own network now) is kind of following that model to a degree. But could someone like White take a step forward into boxing in some way and have an impact? I don't know. But I would think the others should be nervous if he did.
Who would you pick in a Ward-Kovalev fight?
I would lean Ward, but to me, right now, a matchup for Ward against Kovalev at 175 might be as dangerous or more than even Golovkin at 168.
If there was no Cold War--Mikey vs Danny Garcia would be the fight to make in my opinion. Your thoughts?
That fight would be unreal at 140. Two unbeatens with offsetting styles. They have the same name. Mexico vs. Puerto Rico, yet both are American born. It's hard to make a more appealing fight to the true boxing fan.
Am I the only one who thinks Ortiz won't be able to get past Collazo? Collazo is tough, bruh.
It's tough, KT. How are we even remotely able to predict what version of Victor Ortiz we will see after this long of a layoff. Will he be fresh? Will his heart be into it? It's must-see for him, because of that, every fight out moving forward. In fact, it was always must-see for Ortiz. What am I talking about?
Realistically who is out there left for Mayweather to fight since this "cold war" is taking away his top contenders.
Unless something creative is done, you still have the potential for unbeaten opponents with belts like Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter, etc. But there aren't many left with the potential to produce big numbers unless he fights Broner at some point or maybe challenges Quillin for a title at 160 or Sergio Martinez or something outside of the box.
BC if you could pick a division to have another super six style tournament using just one promotions fighters, what weight division would you chose and would it be with TR or GB fighters?
I think you would have to pick 147 with Golden Boy. Plenty of names and it would be fun.
BC, how excited are you to watch a washed up Mayorga try and make a comeback, I personally love his fights, if there is one thing he can do well that is drum up drama and fireworks inside and outside of the ring?
I'm always going to be down for a Mayorga fight at any age and any stage of his career. I may have just exposed a character flaw with that comment, but it simply is the way that it is.
Mayweather doesn't want to fight anyone unless he gets to name the terms. He won't take a chance.
You are speaking nothing but truth.
We all know the best fight is Mayweather vs Ortiz II in a ladder match
Don't clown. Like I always say, we are only one big Victor Ortiz win away from seeing that fight and you know it.
GBP has to be praying for Ortiz to win in dominant fashion. Like it or not, they probably see a Floyd-Ortiz rematch as a marketable fight because of how the first fight ended, but Ortiz needs to get back in the public eye and win a couple fights first.
Exactly. Ortiz is marketable. There is a built-in storyline. There is potential for a crazy meltdown or knockout. And, above all us, it's another eminently winnable fight for Mayweather.
Could you see Broner dropping to 135 and possibly taking on a newly arrived 135 champion/contender in mikey garcia?
Many things wrong with that statement, Andrew. You're better than that, Brah.
Big Cat, did u see Gamboa get in the ring to challenge Mikey?? I miss that element of boxing. I really get Dee's attitude when fighters are asked about a challenge and they respond with something about a promoter!!!
Haha, I agree GM. And that's a heck of a Dee reference. I swear one of these days I'm going to be in Hartford for something and I'm going to run into her and she is going to hit me up for my Top 100 fighters in each division. But to your point, it was great seeing Gamboa not only show up to the fight in pursuit of Garcia, but to take that next step and get into the ring. It felt very WWE, but I'm cool with that. He wants the fight bad and is going after it. I can respect it and hope we get to see the fight. It makes too much sense for all parties.
Anthony Joshua will take over !
He just might someday. He is a very intriguing prospect.
I'm in the minority but I like Ortiz, would love to see him face Maidana without starving himself to make 140... they'll be plenty of fans against him in that one (cha-ching)
Like I always say: Ortiz versus anyone is arguably the best fight you could make.
Mayweather has only given a rematch to Luis Castillo. What other fighter would you like to see him rematch the most?
At this point, it's tough when you look at the list because most of the guys are faded or gone -- a credit to both Floyd's longevity and matchmaking ability to pick fighters past their prime. Maybe there is some level of intrigue to a Marquez rematch at 147, but I don't think it would play out any differently. Cotto is probably the best answer if he can show himself well under Roach at 154. I guess Ortiz holds some intrigue if he beat a big name. But not much.
BC, would you say Manny and floyd are falling victom to their own success. Anyting less than a million buys(Macau excluded) is a failure in most people's eyes. Remember 1 million buys is an ungeard of number for all but a very few superstars with usually a massive supporting cast. Are we just spoiled that they have been fighting huge fights and are now left with an unexciting crop of good but fighters?
You are making a strong point here in some regard. Yes, they were both hot for so long that 1M buys was becoming this default threshold in our minds as to whether or not a fight sold well. And, you're right, that's simply ridiculous when you look at how many fights that we consider as being huge -- Mayweather-Hatton is a great example -- that failed to sell 1M. But I think there's another factor here. I believe both Manny and Floyd, after establishing themselves as legitimate PPV brands with "passing of the torch" wins over the biggest brand in the sport De La Hoya, sold as consistently well as they did for so long in huge part because fans believed there would be a payoff eventually of them fighting each other. The more that has gone away, so have a big chunk of the buys.
Welcome back, Curtis Stevens. Hard not to watch him fight.
This might be the most true comment of the whole chat. He has made a huge leap onto my list of guys I would most enjoy fighting anyone. And Friday's win against Patrick Majewski sort of qualified under that "anyone" banner. He basically cut the guy in half with a jab so it wasn't the strongest example of a tough opponent, but it was fun watching Stevens take him out. That's a guy who knows how to finish.
This is in response to an earlier question...Floyd is the #1 p4p fighter what's wrong with him calling all the shots? He earned it.
To a very large degree you are correct. That is why when Floyd fought Oscar, it was considered fine for Oscar to call the shots on ring size, which weight they fought at, what brand of gloves, the financial cut, etc. But there is also a certain level of responsibility at that level to give the fans great fights. Floyd hasn't done enough of that. In fact, in comparison to a guy like Oscar who was far and away "the man" in terms of being boxing's biggest attraction, yet still went after the biggest challenges available to him, it's not even close.
Hey Brian "The Brain", what do you think the odds are we see a Provo-Rios fight next? That would be a hell of a match...
If Marquez ends up telling Provodnikov he wants no part of him and still wants a Spring fight before potentially waiting to see who wins the Pacquiao-Bradley fight, it's probably possible.
Can you see Danny Garcia cracking the Mayweather code? I give him a better chance than anyone at this point.
Winning the fight? No. But I think he deserves a chance right now and will also give as good of an effort as anyone else.
Geale vs Golovkin with Mandigo vs Curtis Stevens as the cofeature in april: could this work or is it too many promoters?
Man I LOVE that idea. But, yes, you are talking about four promoters involved there.
Mayweather-Marquez 2? huh?
No, I think it had a shelf life where it would have been viable -- despite the Cold War issues that make it impossible -- right after Marquez KOed Pacquiao. But I don't think there's really any call for it anymore.
If the same Bradley shows up like in the Provodnikov fight we will see another FOY with Pacquiao in April 12
I don't think that Bradley comes out for this one. I think we will see a very high-level boxing match. That doesn't mean it won't be fun.
BC, Danny Garcia is flat out taking a striaght up tune-up fight if the rumors are true of him fighting M.Herrera in Puerto Rico. The guy beat Provodnikov but has 2 straight losses, how does he even qualify to challenge DSG for both his WBA/WBC strap?
If it happens, it's a step down. No question. Not really an exciting fight. But it would give Danny a chance to stay busy, try and build up his fan base in Puerto Rico, and see who emerges from the marquee spring bouts with Golden Boy. It sort of is what it is.
If you were Carl Froch BC, would you A.) defends the IBF title against Groves a second time or would you B.) Pull a Riddick Bowe?? Trash the belt and focus on Chavez Jr..
Considering I have already read a few times over of Froch's intention to get 1-2 more money fights and call it a day, I would probably try and cash out with Chavez and then maybe someone else rather than chase the Groves match. That doesn't mean it's right, though. Groves deserves that fight. But I don't think Froch has intentions to want to go after Andre Ward again and chase titles and rankings. I think he wants big-time money and a send off.
Who do you think will be the next PPV Kings once Mayweather retires and Pacquiao becomes a "stepping stone" fighter? I pick Mikey and Danny Garcia.
I don't think either of them. I still think Broner has a chance if he can right the ship. Canelo isn't going anywhere. Verdejo has a lot of potential. Golovkin in the short term could end up being huge. We will have to see.
B, I have a seat near ringside Thursday night, and I plan on letting Gary Russell Jr know that corpse fighting is illegal in the state of NY
That's hilarious, Brah.
Another thing to consider about the 1M PPV expectations: The price of PPVs and the number of fights promoters expect the fans to pay for is getting ridiculous.
Truth be told.
Could the reason Floyd doesn't "give enough exciting fights" is due to him being above and beyond anyone from 140-154?
Right now, yes. But he has let a lot of viable options pass him by. It's just about impossible to debate that point. And because right now he is, in fact, so dominant in comparison to almost anyone else at 140 and 147, historically speaking, guys in his spot have dared for more to find out how great they truly can be. Although I give him respect for being unbeaten Canelo so soundly at 154 (or, actually, 152) Floyd hasn't done that yet.
Explain why Golovkin is dangerous for ward at 168
First of all, punching power. Second: His ability to cut off the ring and maniacally stalk his opponents in a patient and efficient manner despite the volume of punches he throws. You have to favor Ward in that matchup and believe if he is as good as some of us think, he finds a way to win that. But Golovkin is crazy dangerous for anyone right now.
@Bill from Ontario, I think a true champion should fight anyone that's seen as the top challenge to him. A true champion wants to leave 0 doubt that he was the best not a 0 record, two different things. Floyd Mayweather is the best but is he the greatest?
BC, Floyd would beat JMM every time they fought due to style issues. There is nothing JMM does better than Floyd
I agree with you 100 percent.
Brian, do you think Majewski took a dive? I am like 99% sure.
People were saying that on Twitter and, if you watch the video, he was pretty shaken up from nothing more than a jab, which proved to be the beginning of the end for him. But I don't think it was enough to publicly claim he was taking a dive. I'm just not sure he's on that level. We know Stevens hits hard. It was a bit peculiar, but far from a conspiracy.
The idea was floated earlier of Lamont Peterson vs Danny Garcia. I'm all in. What do you think?
Love it. That fight makes a ton of sense to me.
Cotto suprises everyone and handles Martinez, then calls Mayweather up to middleweight for a shot in a rematch, end of 2014. Start writing your column, bruhski
Oh that point has already been established, Macho Man. Go snap into a Slim Jim (although it's great to have you back in the chat.) You know that's the only way right now Floyd would challenge for the 160 title and that fight would sell HUGE.
And just for fun... on this day in 2005, Million Dollar Baby was released in theaters.
Oh man, you're risking a HUGE P4P drop with post. I'm going to act like I didn't see it. Worst. Movie. Ever.
Sorry I'm late to the chat, Brian "The Lion" Campbell! What's your favorite all-time nickname? Mine is Baby Faced Assassin (Barrera).
Juan "The Hispanic Causing Panic" Lazcano is the undisputed champion of boxing nicknames in my view.
Hey BC how is it that some fans can't be both mma and boxing fans. Seems natural to like both since they are combat sports..
Yeah, it's weird how people are split on that. I grew up a huge pro wrestling fan. Then I migrated over to boxing. Then was in a position to watch the first five or so UFC PPVs when it first hit. So it was just natural for me to like all three. I like boxing a lot more than MMA, but still really like the UFC. I don't always get the people that are all in on one and despise the other.
Soup, Is it me or is Sergio just too big for Cotto? I've met Cotto in person and he's tiny lol
A bit too big and definitely too fast and that's why the negotiations fell apart on that fight in early 2011. But how much have things changed with Martinez's age and injuries? That is the question.
I'm with KT; LP vs DG would be a damn good fight...let's get that fight made....
Is it possible that Garcia took the tune-up so that he's ready for Mayweather in September? Garcia is not one to shy away from competition
If you are talking about Danny, than it's possible. They were in the running and then suddenly pulled out. Was it to try and build up his brand first in the Puerto Rican market to increase potential PPV buys? You never know. But if Garcia wins a tuneup fight and Mayweather wins in May, there is no question Danny would be a candidate.
Best nickname ever, and I have no idea why, is "Six Heads" Lewis. I just loved it for some reason...
Haha. That was a great one, as well. Same thing with "Chop Chop" Corley.
Brian, you heard it hear first, Collazo toys with Ortiz for a 12 round decision homie!
I just made a note of it. Thank you.
John "Valero". Wow, great point. Come to think of it that did look divey. Other notable recent dives in my opinion: Andrade in Bute Andrade II, Jean Paul Mendy in Bucharest, and that guy J.M.M. KOed in 1 round with a grazing punch before Pac Marq III.
The one that got me was Danny Green-Paul Briggs. That one didn't look good AT ALL. And to your point, the JMM-Likar Ramos fight had me rewinding it over and over as well.
Andrew "Foul Pol" Golota
Forgot about that one. I love it.
I thought Randy the Macho Man died of a heart attack while driving in his car ...is there some kind of Andy Kauffman thing going on here?
Oh, come on Jimmy. You don't mean that. Randy has been a #TBC regular for going on a year.
Honorable mention: Darnell Wilson, "The Ding-A-Ling Man"
As always. You can't have a nickname list without that one. For sure.
any new on when Ruslan's next fight is? love that dude.
He wants Marquez bad. Each day that goes by, I get more intrigued by that fight. He would be a handful for JMM.
Alright folks. Need to bring an end to the chat right now. Had a great run, as always. Thanks so much for taking part. Here is the updated #TBC pound-for-pound list, judged on consistency, quality and humor. Remember, you are only as good as your last chat.
P4P: 1. Julian (Dallas, TX), 2. KT (Tennessee), 3. John "Son of Valero" Chandler (Ohio, by way of Arizona), 4. Jimmy (Arlington, VA), 5. Alec (Nashville), 6. Vimel (LA), 7. Chris (NYC), 8. Glasses M (Los Angeles), 9. MacDaddy (Philly), 10. Corey (Westwick).
Follow me on Twitter at @BCampbellESPN and be sure to check out tonight's new episode of "Making The Rounds" on ESPN.com. Welterweight titlist Timothy Bradley Jr. will join us to talk about the rematch with Manny Pacquiao. See you next week!
Ouch, crunching GGG-like left hook to the liver of my p4p status.
Good chat, BC. See you next week, and remember: boxing is the only sport you don't "play".
Two hours. I am content with that. Atta boy.
I'm challenging MacDaddy next week
There was no Spadafora mention on this chat...what up with that?
And losing as per usual
Got no love this week.
I don't duck or dodge nobody! I won't rest until I'm the P4P best!
2 to 7? Manny only went to like 5 after his epic KO loss!
Rumor has it the top 5 were also on the biogenesis list for chat enhancing drugs, just sayin'
Spoiler alert: next week I'm changing my name in here. You've been ducking my questions worse than Money Mayweather has ducked the Pacquiao fight!
I'll be back
Is it Friday at Noon yet?
And ... we out.
Haha great stuff BC!