Get some! It's the Tuesday Boxing Chat and unlike Laurence Cole, all low blows around here will be accounted for. So much to talk about, so little time. As always, the floor is yours. The #TBC pound-for-pound rankings will be updated at the end of the chat. Let's do this thing ...
I ref better fights between my son & daughter than lawrence cole
Not his best night at all.
Brian , What in the world did Lomenchecko's people have on their mind to really believe he had the goods to win a world title at the pro level? Although he was hit below the belt a lot, he holds a awful lot when he should be punching. he got schooled in a ugly fight. What say you?
Thanks for the question Greg. In the end, Lomachenko had a LOT working against him in this fight from the absolutely ridiculous amount of low blows landed against him to the fact that Salido came in way overweight and rehydrated up to 147 pounds on fight night. But I don't think you can simply hide behind those excuses (and to his credit in the postfight interview, Lomachenko didn't attempt to one bit). Vasyl lost that fight because he didn't step on the gas until it was too late. He didn't throw enough punches and didn't have the body language that said he was there to take another man's title. It was truly a learning experience and obviously a really bold move to try and do that so quickly. I do think he has the goods to bounce back though.
Hello Brian! Are you as bummed as I am about Figueroa pulling out of his fight? I was really looking forward to that fight!
Agreed. Considering how long Omar has been out due to the injuries he sustained in the Arakawa fight, there is such an excitement built up just to see him again.
Basketball question: lebron just dropped 61, who you got in the MVP race? Lbj or kd?
LBJ. He should win it every single year. He's that good. Top 5 talent all-time.
Hey brian will danny garcia meet herria easy
We know Herrera can scrap and I think he has the kind of backbone that takes that fight the distance. But with that said, this is a showcase opportunity for Danny and I think he wins impressively without any issue.
Soup! On this day eight years ago, Joe Calzaghe shredded Jeff Lacy's invincibility in a one-sided demolition.
Another great call from the great TBC historian KT. I was one of those who took the bait hard and thought that Lacy was going to go out there and absolutely demolish Calzaghe. I was way, way off.
Brian, does the idea of GGG-Chavez Jr bring hope to your heart like it does mine?
I'm firing punches from the keyboard, SOV. Right now. With no cares at the others in the office looking at me like I'm crazy. LOVE that fight. I think we see it in the fall unless something damaging happens to either beforehand.
Who do you have in the Canelo vs Angulo fight?
This guy Willie the Worm! Long time no chat. I've been consistent on this and I'm going Canelo with a big bounce back win in a wide unanimous decision. It won't be easy in the early going, but Angulo's style will open up the doors for Canelo's counter punching style to be effective. For how underwhelming Canelo's skills looked in comparison to Mayweather, I think they will shine against an always determined "Perro."
Vasyl will win a world title. Needs to get some fights under his belt, give it time.
I think there's too much there in terms of talent and natural toughness for him not to bounce back. Great opportunity for a learning situation that will only help him. And if you want to look for positives outside of his inability to make excuses afterwards, he had Salido hurt in the final round and looking like, if given more time, he could've become the first to finish him like I had incorrectly predicted.
BC, where is terence Crawford on your p4p rankings. He is definitely ahead of Donaire, and should be right outside the top ten!!! Your thoughts?
Not in my top 15 as of yet. Strong win over Ricky Burns on Saturday to win his first world title (in enemy territory, no less.) Love his technique. Would like to see him be a bit more aggressive in spots, however.
Defeating Brian Vera doesn't put Chavez Jr. in a big fight right immediately IMO. It was a good win, but he definitely needs to improve if he wants to stand a chance with a top contender. Your thoughts?
I can see where you are coming from with that and Dan Rafael reported there was talk about Chavez returning to HBO on July 12 before heading into a fall PPV. But overall I liked what I saw from Chavez, who appeared much closer to top shape and moved pretty well. A lot of people are putting Vera down as far as using him as a proper litmus test, but you can't deny how determined Vera was in that fight and how he came to win.
BC if Broner is going to fight John Molina why not just fight a cab driver
Lot of people talking about this Broner-Molina rumor in the chat today. I get it, but don't really like it much at all if it's true. That would be quite a 180 from what running back the Maidana rematch represented in terms of the direction of AB's career.
I'm very impressed Crawford was able to get a decision in Scotland. What's up next for him? Any chance we see Crawford-Mikey in late '14?
I hear you KT in regards to him getting that fair of a shake on the scorecards. I'm hoping the Garcia fight is in his future because that's one heck of a technical challenge for both. Maybe not the biggest potential for entertainment, plenty intriguing.
Big Cat, have i convinced you to changed your opinion on Canelo vs Angulo yet??? Canelo does have great skills in the counter punching and quick hand realms but his defense is much too leaky. KO or TKO por El Perro ???
This guy GM has been riding this Angulo pick from Day 1. You had Salido winning, too, if I remember, right? Again, I can clearly see your reasoning and it's not like Angulo won't look to be up in Canelo's business from the ding of Round 1 to the final bell. He will be. But I think he is at a disadvantage here and Canelo will be strong enough to physically hold him off at close range.
Brian, I think Golovkin is going to ruin Chavez Jr, he will break him down and punish him in the late rounds. Exciting match up though, looking forward to it and I hope its at The Garden!
That would be a TREMENDOUS fight for Madison Square Garden. My admitted East Coast bias aside, it would be tremendous there. As far as who wins, I think it's hard not to favor GGG to do some damage. But there's always that wild card factor in terms of Chavez having such an A-plus chin and also bringing so much size to the equation. So much to be excited about if that fight comes off.
Do you think Steve Cunningham can become a top heavyweight contender?
I don't. But he's somewhat of a name opponent who can give certain guys a problem with his boxing. But against Top 10 guys I think he's in over his head.
Better all time, Chris Byrd Or John Ruiz?
Oh come on, man. Byrd. All the way.
Someone from Canada is getting his questions answered while I'm over here sipping tab???? What give soup?
Don't fret, my friend. Plenty of room in the pool for everyone.
BC, lets talk Price/Pala, he (Pala) staggered Chisora several times in his last bout on route to controversial 3rd round stoppage loss, how dangerous is this fight for Price, do you think his handlers are moving him too fast once again and who do you think wins?
This guy Jules. My man. Pala is just alright to me. I can see the inherent danger and can understand your trepidation in Price stepping up to that level, especially regarding their plan to build him back up slow. But if he can't beat a guy on this level, where is he going anyway? You know what I mean. I'm interested to see what happens. I know I won't let Price break my heart again though, haha.
I dont think Golovkin has any reason to hunt 168 fights...Theres plenty of unfinished business at 160
I agree on the unfinished business at 160 part, which the suddenly growing portion of GGG haters just don't understand right now. With that said, outside of Martinez, all of the potential money matchups for Golovkin right now are at 168 and his team has said again and again he would move up for the right one. Chavez would be the right one. So would Froch. Even Ward. I'd like to see him get a shot at the REAL title at 160 first, just like anyone else. But if the timing is right to help build your brand against a guy like JCC Jr., you jump in Brah. You jump in.
Its hard not to like Angulo but do you really think he stands a chance against Canelo? I mean Lara is a lot slicker than Canelo and I thought he did WELL but everyone is counting Angulo out?
There has been, from some (including me), this sentiment of counting Angulo out. And, again, the Lara performance (although he didn't win) was impressive. But I look at that as more of an aberration in terms of his career in recent years than I do a step forward or preview of things to come. Somehow or another, it ended up being a style matchup that worked well for him and he truly gave Lara fits. But Canelo is a lot bigger and can provide more resistance to that type of attack. I think Angulo falls back a bit to being more of the guy we have seen in recent years. He's loveable and fun to watch, but I just can't see him winning this fight.
How do you feel about #2 P4P Ward wilting away his talent to get his promotional stuff together? He should be fighting 2 times a year minimum!
No question about. This is just about the worst thing he can do for his brand by missing this much time. He's already a guy where his talent is so far ahead of where his brand is, so this just hurts. I get he is trying to make power moves in a promotion sense to, you would think, put himself in a better spot in the future. But at the same time, he was never hotter than when he beat Froch back in 2011. Outside of the impressive Dawson win, not much has happened for him since that fight.
BC, after watching all access, I kind of want perro to win.
I tweeted out something similar to this on Sunday morning. I really thought "All Access" captured Angulo really well and dug deeper with him than these type of pre-fight documentaries typically do. Hearing Angulo not only talk about his pain of being pulled away from his daughter during his immigration issues, but also the talk about Virgil Hunter being a father figure to him was emotional stuff. It's hard not to cheer for the guy after that, especially when you combine it with his blue-collar fighting style.
OK, ill jump in, but not into the ring with GGG....
Am I wrong for thinking of Chavez-Kirkland? Please oh please tell me you are shadowboxing?
Oh man, I just got a chill up my spine reading this. It's such an intoxicating thought, right? But there's too much of a weight difference there for us to probably ever see it. But that's definitely a "put the kids to bed early" type of fight because you don't want them seeing what's about to happen on the screen.
Brian Vera's excitement value should hopefully get him on undercards of HBO/Showtime broadcasts, right? I think that he has exceeded ESPN2 main event status. Do you agree?
I definitely would agree. In defeat in both fights with Chavez he proved himself not only to be both a warrior and fan-friendly, but there's definitely some subtle nuances there in terms of his style and technique. He's improving, which isn't always easy at age 32. He's also a great dude. Hope he bounces back in some kind of relatively high-profile bout.
Is Roy Jones going to fight someone and get KO'd somewhere in Iceland or Tibet? Seems to be his trend once a year.
I hope not. Someone needs to make this stop.
BrianAny idea why media has focused more on Lomachenko's people moving him a tad too fast as opposed to the lack of professionalism displayed with Salido's weight? I do feel Lomachenko's people let him down by not working in a weight limit to a Saturday morning weigh in.
There's a bit of blame to go around to everyone in this situation, in my mind. But, like I mentioned earlier, there are still plenty of positives to look at here. Vasyl only lost by split decision despite so much being against him in this one and he also hurt and appeared close to stopping Salido in the 12th. Overall, was it too much, too soon? Probably. Was there potential with, for example, a knockout loss for this to have been extremely damaging for his bright future? No question. But we talk about "daring to be great." This guy took that idea and spread it across his face like war paint. I can do nothing but respect that, even if his inexperience (and that of his team in some cases) ultimately cost him.
Canelo is DUCKING Lara - PERIOD!! Yes he is!!
Not yet. I know it feels good to say that, but it's not true yet. Let Canelo navigate the rest of 2013. If he wins Saturday and isn't fighting Cotto in a PPV next or the Molina/Charlo winner in a title fight and is matching himself soft, you can start to say things like this. I mean, he just fought the No. 1 guy in the entire sport. No ducking going on yet.
Couldn't help but notice that the anniversary of Wright-Mosley I is coming up next week. Who is it in your office that believes that version of Wright would have beaten Mayweather? (An opinion with which I agree, but I'm a shameless fan of Winky's.)
That's actually my good man Adam Abramowitz, who mans the Saturday Night Boxing website. It's such an interesting fight to think about in your head as that version of Winky clearly had such a unique skill set that could've really given Floyd problems. I'm not ready to predict anything but a Floyd by UD type of prediction, myself. But this is a heck of a "grab a cold one and sit on the back porch" type of debate, of which I often enter.
First Mickey Bey now Babou Jack is Mayweather matching his fighters too tough early on, BC?
I just don't think they are all that good, Jules, to be honest. That Jack loss was rather surprising, but even he hasn't shown enough yet to take him all that seriously.
If Roy Jones is going to get KO'd it should at least be somewhere tropical. Maybe the Bahama's or the Maldives?
At least get a vacation out of it, right? Rather than going out to the far reaches of cold Eastern Europe.
Is Figueroa's injury new or just complications from his previous one?
Same injury, same hand I believe.
Do you think GGG could stop Chavez Jr. or is Chavez Jr. unknockoutable at this point? Yes, I just wrote unknockoutable.
Come on, Jason. You're better than that. We all know there was only one "Mr. Unknockoutable." You know, until the Tarver fight and all. I don think JCC's chin is the ultimate test to judge just how great of a puncher GGG really is.
Vera's GF was better looking than Chavez's. At least he has that.
Would you call that a moral victory?
Brian, what are the odds of Mayweather fighting in Brooklyn this May?
The odds on this happening have never really been that strong, nor have they appeared to be anything more than just a rumor, or a mention in a story. But with that said, it's semi-interesting that the fight is two months away and a venue (and city, for that matter) still isn't official. Again, full disclosure on the East Coast bias thing, but I'm hoping that means Brooklyn is legitimately still in play. I think Floyd would have a lot to gain from a new storyline of coming to New York.
Is the Ruben Guerrero and Floyd Sr fight still on?
Only if Ruben can wear that same black and white shirt that he wore seemingly every day for the final two months leading up to the Mayweather-Guerrero fight.
How do you think Roy Jones in his prime would do against the top guys today from 160-175?
It's really hard to pick anyone in history to beat prime 168-pound Roy Jones Jr. I think he's a top-shelf guy at all three weight classes at any era. He was absurdly athletic with ridiculous speed and great pop. Remember about 10 years ago when it became popular pre-YouTube to buy complete career sets of guys on DVD over the internet? I bought Roy first. And I'm not even necessarily "a Roy guy."
Everyone seems to love the idea of Broner/Khan except Stephen Espinoza (and now that I mention that I actually dunno how Schaefer feels about it), do you think the fight gets made, whose power trumps who, because Mayweather has pretty much all but demanded this fight take place on his undercard May 3rd?
Yeah, it's kind of interesting Jules to try and figure out between Al, Floyd, Richard and Stephen how the power structure really works on these things. I've had my doubts all along that Broner would even want to be on a Floyd undercard at this point, especially after losing the chance at fighting Maidana again, which was his first choice. But we will have to see how it all plays out. Plenty of rumors out there in the last few days.
Luis Collazo signed with Al Haymon. What type of fight do you think we see Luis in next? I for one would love to see Collazo/Thurman.
Seems like a real good move for Luis, right? Everyone who signs with Haymon seems to immediately get matched up well. And right now, you have to really pull straws to find a top level name at or around 147 who isn't with Al. I'd like to see Collazo with any of those guys, really: Thurman, Malignaggi, etc. I think with Collazo, what you want to see right now is whether he truly is back or if his knockout of Ortiz was more about Victor just not being right.
Whats the power structure in your opinion? Floyd, Al, Richard and Stephen 1 through 4 rank em.
All four clearly have a say and are representative of their own respective brand and interest. But when it all comes down to it, whose "yes" means more than others? It's really tough to even guess without knowing the inner workings and being privy to certain things. However, I'd put my (here comes a bad pun ...) "Money" on Floyd being the one, when it's all said and done, with the most juice.
Do you ever see another boxer being able to control their own career and destiny like Mayweather? And of so, who?
So tough to tell. Floyd's run to the top from a financial and business standpoint has been flawless and genius. The guy beat the game. Straight up. No question about it. But I don't think that means you can just follow that blueprint and someone else can jump into his spot when he finally moves on. The kind of control that he has, and even that guys like Miguel Cotto enjoy right now, are very hard to come by.
You still have to credit Loma for hanging 12 hard rounds with a tough as nails fighter like Salido.
I respect much about what Loma did that night, although I ultimately blame him for not being aggressive enough to get himself over the top.
Since Adrian lost and Paulie lost I still need a man. Is Keith Thurman unattached?
What makes you think I'd be willing to talk about Paulie's side piece on here like that? We know he doesn't like that.
Chris Algieri....entertaining style, good story, legit win under his belt now. Is he in line for a push? I've heard rumors about a fight against Provodnikov. That seems like a pretty tall order to me.
I think he's deserving of the shot, but holy sackatoga that's a tall order. You kidding me? No question about it.
Soup....I am going to Lunch now. It's been a pleasure as always. Answer this real quick before I go. JCC vs. Froch????????
I still think it's possible. It's the fight Froch seems to want the most before he retires. Could you even imagine that one? Not just the buildup and the "24/7" treatment and all that, but the incredible action in the ring? Man I hope we see that.
Did King Arthur surprise you with his upset win and in regaining the belt?
Great call Smitty. I was totally shocked and thought Abraham was toast. He looked awful in the second fight with Stieglitz and really hasn't looked good around that in a long time. And even his win over Stieglitz in the first fight (which was debatable, to be honest) was so much of an aberration based upon how much of a slow starter Abraham typically is and how he came out guns blazing in that one. As far as Saturday, I give him the most credit for how well he fought late. He wanted this one and it showed. Close fight but he was about 10 seconds away from getting a KO at the time of the final bell and I think he deserved the win.
If Rigo would've been in the ring with Salido, you think the fight would've had the same winner?
Rigo would've danced circles around Salido whether he was 126, 147 or 200 pounds on that night.
With Omar Figereroa off the card, I see Canelo's first PPV doing even less buys than before OVER UNDER 200,000 BUYS??
Over. That's a strong main event. Forget even, for a moment, exciting guys like Leo Santa Cruz being on the undercard (which I don't think is as strong as most believe it is, but I digress). That's a strong enough main event with enough intrigue to pull close to 500K in my mind.
What's your gut say, will we see Victor Ortiz in the ring again anytime soon? Between his fisaco against Collazo and Josesito Lopez looking underwhelming in his decision over Arnaoutis, it seems like a rematch between the two is obvious. Cash one out, the other gets one last chance to make a run.
Impossible to predict. I do think we will see him back. Just tough to know when and how hard he will be matched.
What happens next, Pacquiao KOs someone or he gets KO'd?
He will score another KO before getting KOed again. I think. Good question Dan. The KO (either version) won't come against Bradley, though.
Soup, espn seems to be making out great with this boxino tournament. The middleweights put on a good show
No question about it. I'm sure Banner Promotions has to be pleased, as well, with how well things have played out. While the middleweight quarterfinal bouts weren't nearly as compelling as the lightweight ones were the week before, there were plenty of KOs on Friday. And throwing in Teddy Atlas' "Lime in the coconut" thing just put that broadcast over the top. What the heck was that all about?
Do you think Arthur Abraham's comeback will last?
No chance. Good win, though.
Why would Tony Demarco be considered as a 140lb title contender after being dismantled by Broner at 135lbs in a terrible beat down and lopsided loss?
Come on, Al. This is boxing. Anyone is two phone calls away from a title shot. (Kidding. Maybe. Wait ... who we fooling here? I'm not kidding at all.)
I can't see Junior doing great against guys his own size at 168; Vera is ultra tough, but his best weight is probably 154. Props to Vera on the smokin' hot girlfrield, btw.
To your point, I'm not one who believes Chavez can have the same kind of success at 175, especially against the very elite punchers.
I am struggling to think of any opponents at 168 for Ward that would offer 1) any semblance of intrigue 2) enough $ to entice Ward and 3) someone he hasnt already whooped. I got NOTHING...except maybe a hopefully rejunivated King Arthur?
No one wants to see him fight "King" Arthur again. No one. I wouldn't of hated a unification fight with Stieglitz, but that is obviously dead. I also wouldn't of hated a fight with Groves, one Ward himself had talked about. But that is also dead with Groves and Froch set for a rematch. I don't think there's enough incentive for Top Rank to allow Chavez to face him anytime soon. We know the GGG fight is out there eventually. But, yes, if a rematch with Froch won't happen, the pool at 168 is getting shallow. The pressure for him to move up will only increase at this rate.
When you dare to be great, you have to fight like you're great. Vasli isn't what we thought he was... yet
During last Saturday's HBO post fight interviews, it hit me. I really miss the smugness of Larry Merchant. How bout you Big Cat???
I'm with you completely. There was a certain level of anti-establishment to him that is hard to replace. He built that up over years of being consistent and having such a well-respected and firm opinion on things. He wasn't afraid to tick off a fighter or his own employer. He asked the questions that we all hoped he would ask. If the other announcers were buttering a fighter up too much with their commentary, he jumped in to bring everyone back down to earth.
Everyone is giving props to vera for his GF huh? I'd say of the girlfriends showed ringside for supermiddle weights its Carl Frochs girl who wins hands down
Most #TBC regulars tend to agree she has the No. 1 P4P slot locked up based upon the 30-something comments that just came in saying the same thing.
I'm still on record as stating that Gamboa will stop Garcia if/when it happens!
Bold call Rags. Especially for your first comment in this chat. Someone write this down so we can hold him accountable once that fight happens.
I agree with ya BC King Arthur has no chance against Ward and I would have no interest, but what would you think of Abraham in a unification with Bika? They have never fought, both are older so a loss to either would be devastating and both have good chins.
Interesting thought there, Slater. I don't hate this.
Brian Vera/GGG....just throwing it out there becuase I like it better than Andy Lee, your thoughts on that potential clash, BC?
It doesn't move me, Jules. Give me Golovkin-Geale. It's a real test. We need a real test for GGG.
Don't you think Clubber deserved a shot at a trilogy with Rocky? After the second fight, it was one KO apiece. Yeah, I get that Rocky's KO was definitive, but so was Clubber's. Just seemed like unfinished business. Your thoughts?
Great post, Jacob. I totally agree that it was not only warranted, but whomever was promoting Rocky (even if it was that dirtbag Paulie) would've jumped all over that as the logical next fight. It's too bad similar to the Star Wars franchise that there wasn't any spinoff books or movies made to fill in a lot of this in between back story about what happened next. Total #NerdAlert with this post. I know.
FINISH THE SENTENCE BC.......Broners next fight takes place at a weight of.......lbs?
I would've said nothing but 147 to this based upon interviewing Broner and seeing his passion to essentially "right the wrong" by running back the Maidana rematch. But now with these new rumors, it's tough to tell. Clearly he would be more effective moving down in weight where his size would help him and his power would carry better. But it also admits defeat to a certain degree after he has talked himself up mighty large. I just want to see him matched tough. We saw enough mismatches at 135.
What big name fighter, if any, besides Mayweather do you see ending their career undefeated?
So tough to predict because a fighter would either have to make a strategic decision to step away at a time where many felt he had more to give (and there was more money to be made) or would have to match himself soft enough to be able to pull it off. It has much greater chance to happen in a shallow division void of big names or legitimate opposition. If you are making me say one name, I say Andre Ward.
Has Brian Vera always spoken this way or is it the result of too many brawls and tough fights? He seems to have a very fast diction and eat his words a little bit..
That just seems to be the way he talks with his Texas accent. He's actually a real refreshing interview. Very open and honest guy. Gives thoughtful answers.
Ed's question got me thinking. I see a lot of boxing fans on different forums claiming that so-and-so's career will be over with another loss. Do you think that Floyd Mayweather's pronounced public display of flaunting his "0" has a negative effect on the average boxing fan? Seems like the days of "you win some, you lose some" are long past. And with fighters being so carefully matched, losses these days tend to hold more weight - at the very least in the public's eyes - than ever before. Thoughts?
Not a bad theory to throw out there. Floyd's use of the "0" as a marketing tool and his constant self-proclaiming of himself to be "The Best Ever" puts a lot more unnecessary emphasis on records. But it's just a different era altogether, though. Even elite guys 50 years ago fought 8-10 times per year because there was money to be made for them and they capitalized on it. There was probably less concern too for your longterm health. Top level guys today are only going to fight 2-3 times if fans are lucky. But that's why someone like me puts so much more emphasis on who you actually fight if you are a guy who is only going to appear twice. It's a lot easier to criticize someone for ducking or matching yourself soft when you fight 1-2 times a year.
BC, is Broner the new Berto? Beat Him and land a Mayweather fight
That's probably a worst-case scenario for where he is heading right now. I still think he has an elite, even Top 10 pound-for-pound level run in him if he can get his head together and give his career 100 percent of his attention. To me the talent is there.
Chavez Jr. vs. Kovalev. Chin vs. Power. Which wins?
Alec is right, I remember when a good/Great loss carried more weight than an ugly win
It's the whole coming back from a great loss that truly endears you to the fans in the long run. Look at how much more Leonard's reputation was boosted from avenging the Duran defeat and daring to be great against Hearns. Same with Ali.
Do we talk about Zack Morris' torn ACL as much as we should? All indications are that he was a star in both track and basketball, but we never heard about any athletic endeavors after the pre-game locker room incident. I was always impressed that he didn't harbor more animosity towards Belding for basically ending his career.
I like where your head is at. Would've had loved a deeper look into Zack's hoops talent (and how it was possible that Slater was allowed to play in six different sports in the same calendar year.) Belding did end his career, it seemed. But Zack didn't care. He was always more focused on money, girls and that unreported steroid cycle he went through senior year. Yeah, I just said that.
BC, Lomachenko has a better resume than Gary Russell Jr in just 2 fights
There it is. Best line of the chat. Right there. This guy HZ has P4P potential in these parts.
Hey, Hey, Hey! What is going on here?
Where does manny fall on the p4p list if he beats bradley? Again
I'd say No. 3. Maybe No. 4 at worst.
Big Cat, who between 160 - 175 has the best chance to knock Andre Ward out the #2 slot?? I'm gojng with Kovalev.
Kovalev is his toughest potential opponent in my mind. Even more than Golovkin or Stevenson.
What do you think about the transnational rankings? legit or nah?
I'm all for them and am a member. It's going to take time to gain traction, but this is a group of people with a passion for this who don't have a dog in the fight. They just want recognized champions and honest rankings in each division.
Is there anyway Ward falls back the p4p list if he is inactive
If he's inactive for a year with no fight on the horizon, he will fall out. Can he slip, in general, just for being inactive? It would take a huge run from someone right behind him. If Bradley were to dominate Pacquiao, for example, it could get interesting.
Shane Mosley in his prime vs Timothy Bradley, who ya got?
Mosley at 135 was an absolute monster and one of the best lightweights in history. At his welterweight prime (first Oscar fight), I think he would beat Tim.
Who do you prefer, nas or method man?
Never been big on either. I was a Tribe, Public Enemy, 2Pac guy.
BC which was worse Coles, indifference to holding by Lomanchenko and low blows by Salido or the early stoppage by Howard Foster in Groves Froch?
Oh man. That's tough. I'll go with Foster. At least Lomachenko had a shot to overcome despite all that.
Who in your mind was the most damaging body puncher ? I believe chavez sr was devasting
Chavez was so nasty. I always loved how Micky Ward was able to elevate himself in fights he probably would've lost by having that ability to bail himself out with one liver shot. So many others you could name. I, personally, miss the days when going to the body was how Cotto would get down.
Ever left your wallet in El Segundo?
Wish I did for the irony. For sure.
Floyd said in an interview on Shobox that his dream fights would be either JCC or Duran? How do you see those playing out?
I think he would win both convincingly.
Mickey ward and cotto no doubt..I just remeber seeing chavez and thinking how do they take that and hearing later the were bleeding in their pee which is way I choose him
Brutal, but true.
How would Loma do against Rigo?
As things look right now, Rigo would be a problem for him.
You on point, Bri?
Haha. All the time Willy. Here's a funky introduction of how nice I am. Tell your mother, tell your father, send a telegram.
What does Floyd gain with his promotional company? It seems he puts more in than he gets out
Can't argue with that. I think he is just trying to set himself up for boxing after-life as a promoter. Use his fame now to build up the MP brand. No harm. He just needs some bigger name fighters.
Alright folks. Need to wrap things up. Great stuff today in the #TBC. Thanks so much for taking part. Here are the latest pound-for-pound chat rankings. Not movement at the top as these guys have taken care of business for another week. But there's always potential for someone to go on a run:
#TBC P4P: 1. Julian (Dallas, TX), 2. KT (Nashville), 3. Alec (Nashville), 4. John "Son Of Valero" Chandler (Ohio, by way of Ariz.), 5. Glasses M (Los Angeles), 6. Slater (West by God Virginia), 7. Cesar (Salt Lake City), 8. Tone (Chicago), 9. Willy (BK), 10. Antonio (Philadelphia).
Follow me on Twitter at @BCampbellESPN and be on the lookout for tonight's new episode of "Making The Rounds", featuring a guest appearance from Sergey Kovalev. You don't want to miss. See you next week!
Can't get no love in TBC
Soup, don't quit your day job, rapping ain't your thing
I would like to propose to my longtime girlfriend on the chat. Amanda G will you marry me?
And ... we out.